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This is the alternate version of my last roster

Still expecting Diskun on the roster.
Putting all my usual shenanigans aside
Needs:

New Mario rep
New Zelda rep
Chrom
Giygas in mother 1 incarnation (mostly opinions)
New third party
And a "hardware" character


That's pretty much it.
Also, what does everyone else think of the mother one giygas idea.
 

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Putting all my usual shenanigans aside
Needs:
New Mario rep Yeah, what happened to Paper Mario Saturn?
New Zelda rep Not necessary by any means, as Zelda is basically complete.
Chrom Don't even bring it up on this thread.
Giygas in mother 1 incarnation (mostly opinions) Yeah, opinions.
New third party Saturn thinks 4 Third-Parties are too many. He told me.
And a "hardware" character Diskun
That's pretty much it.
Also, what does everyone else think of the mother one giygas idea.
It's interesting, but Mother really doesn't need another rep, and if it did happen to get another, it would be Porky or Ninten.
 

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Can you find me a link to a source on that? I looked up the definition of "retro" and entails no such thing. You simple apply retro to the notion of a character. Nowhere does it arbitrarily exclude that premise.

Lets say we got smash4 with little mac representing the past... nop.
Im not a "true words definition" man, but thats the way the word is used, and it works for me.

I can see your point, is like saying 8 bit megaman is not retro because of MM9 and 10, ridiculous, of course he is, and that also works for little mac.
But for characters inclusion, which are supposed to pick the forgoten or unused franchise, little mac doesnt seems to fitt in that definition.

So i try to use the word "classic" instead of retro for little mac, i think is easier to talk that way.
 

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It's interesting, but Mother really doesn't need another rep, and if it did happen to get another, it would be Porky or Ninten.
I'd just prefer Giygas considering he is the main antagonist of the first two games, and influenced the antagonist of the third.
 

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Lets say we got smash4 with little mac representing the past... nop.
Im not a "true words definition" man, but thats the way the word is used, and it works for me.

I can see your point, is like saying 8 bit megaman is not retro because of MM9 and 10, ridiculous, of course he is, and that also works for little mac.
But for characters inclusion, which are supposed to pick the forgoten or unused franchise, little mac doesnt seems to fitt in that definition.

So i try to use the word "classic" instead of retro for little mac, i think is easier to talk that way.
Yes, trust me. I got in a huge 3 day debate with one of the users on here. He was going for an applied definition (like yourself) while I was using the literal definition. It is fine; however, I am going to continue calling Little Mac a retro, I believe that this classification is much more accurate.

I'd just prefer Giygas considering he is the main antagonist of the first two games, and influenced the antagonist of the third.
So he is basically the Darth Maul? :awesome:
 

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This is the alternate version of my last roster

Still expecting Diskun on the roster.
I'm still iffy about some of these choices (Roy, Isaac, Starfy, Diskun), and the lack of K. Rool always bothers me, but overall this is a pretty good roster.
I do want to know: Why don't you ever add K. Rool?
I'd just prefer Giygas considering he is the main antagonist of the first two games, and influenced the antagonist of the third.
Yeah, I guess. I'm just saying what is more plausible.
 

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Putting all my usual shenanigans aside
Needs:

New Mario rep
New Zelda rep
Chrom
Giygas in mother 1 incarnation (mostly opinions)
New third party
And a "hardware" character


That's pretty much it.
Also, what does everyone else think of the mother one giygas idea.
Explain your definition of "NEEDS"...
 

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Oh yeah, I forgot DHD.
And Sukapon.
I'd put them somewhere in front of Sable, but a little behind Muddy.
Maybe DHD a little ahead of Muddy, I don't know.
I would put Sukapon last out of all retros, as he told us not to expect Sukapon, with the fact that the fighting game characters can't be in the games as much as I would love to see him.
 

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I would put Sukapon last out of all retros, as he told us not to expect Sukapon, with the fact that the fighting game characters can't be in the games as much as I would love to see him.
But he's leagues ahead of Sable as far as requests go.
That's what I took into account, I know what Sakurai said.
 

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Explain your definition of "NEEDS"...
What the roster needs to meet his subjective ideal roster (obviously they are literally suggestions as opposed to needs). So essentially "needs" would allude to "wants" to mostly everyone else; however, we all have these preconceived notions on what the roster should look like. That is what he was referencing. I already know you were being sarcastic, I just felt like asserting my opinion (like always).
 

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Unless there a very high amount of requests for Sukapon, I don't think Sakurai will change his opinion on his inclusion.
I certainly hope not, at first I was alright with the idea, he has some fighting game relevance if I am not mistaken. Once I started comprehending what that would entail? Yeah, I am not too keen on him anymore.
 

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I don't consider Little Mac retro by any means.

He's a Nintendo icon like Mario, Link, Samus and Fox.

It's not like he's had nothing since the NES days. There's been Punch Out (NES), SUPER Punch Out (SNES) (Nintendo says blondie Mac is still Little Mac), and for lesser appearances, he was in Fight Night Round 2 (Gamecube era), Captain Rainbow (Wii) and of course... Punch Out!! (Wii).

He's much less retro than Pit if you ask me.
 

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Should have.
That's completely different.

as much as I would love to see him.
Then why do you always put your own requests on your prediction roster?

Yeah, I guess. I'm just saying what is more plausible.
I've added him several times before, but I just think Dixie is more likely to happen. And no I don't think 4 Donkey Kong reps is realistic. Just because it should happen or deserves to happen does not at all mean it'll happen.
 

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I'm personally counting on this since Brawl was pretty much popular-character overkill. I want to see more retro/unrepresented stars rather than more popular side-characters. ñ_ñ
Maybe SSB4 might be the opposite from Brawl...

1-Up Studio (1st party)
Student - Magical Vacation / Magical Starsign (it is gender neutral than Hero or Heroine)

Intelligent System (1st party)
Commanding Officer - Wars series (they don't fight directly, they just command infantry units to do the fighting for them like Pokemon Trainer)
Lip - Puzzle League series
Mallo - Pushmo / Crashmo
Sable - For the Frog the Bell Tolls

Monolith Soft (1st party)
Shulk - Xenoblade Chronicles

Nintendo Entertainment Analysis & Development (1st party)
Mii - Wii Sports series
Muddy Mole - Mole Mania
Nintendog - Nintendogs series
Takamaru - The Mysterious Murasame Castle
Villager - Animal Crossing series
Wii Fit Trainer - Wii Fit series

Nintendo Integrated Research & Development (1st party)
Little Mac - Punch-Out!! series
Mike Jones - StarTropics series

Nintendo Research & Development 1 (1st party)
Duck Hunt Dog - Duck Hunt
Sukapon - Joy Mech Fight

Nintendo Software Planning & Development (1st party)
Karate Joe - Rhythm Heaven series

Maybe there is a little too many obscure characters...
 

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I've added him several times before, but I just think Dixie is more likely to happen. And no I don't think 4 Donkey Kong reps is realistic. Just because it should happen or deserves to happen does not at all mean it'll happen.
I was saying that Porky is more plausible than Giygas.
Although DK is a big important series. It can warrant 4 characters without question, although it may not happen.
 

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I don't consider Little Mac retro by any means.

He's a Nintendo icon like Mario, Link, Samus and Fox.

It's not like he's had nothing since the NES days. There's been Punch Out (NES), SUPER Punch Out (SNES) (Nintendo says blondie Mac is still Little Mac), and for lesser appearances, he was in Fight Night Round 2 (Gamecube era), Captain Rainbow (Wii) and of course... Punch Out!! (Wii).

He's much less retro than Pit if you ask me.
Arcade with 2 games and the spinoff arm wrestling.
I like to think he is the urban champion character btw.

He is even more retro than pit, just no that iconic.
 

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I like to think he is the urban champion character
The two games are too different.
They both involve fighting. And punching. That's where the similarities end.
Little Mac being an Urban Champion character is like Pit being a Star Fox characters.
Because they are both on-rails shooters.
It doesn't really make sense.
 

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Actually, Saturn, I'm a little curious on the Paper Mario thing as well.
I do predict Paper Mario will be in Smash 4 very much, but there is no room on my roster and there is the possibility we might not get more Mario characters since we have 7. I still kind of think he's getting in it anyway.


I think you're overestimating Diskun, though. I find it to be possible, but he isn't one of the most likely. He seems too tough to predict.
Doesn't mean I'm going to cower away from it.
 

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Urban Champion and Punch Out, now that's a crossover I'd like to see.

The character design is a bit different too. The Urban Champ fellows have round noses like Mario. However, it'd be amusing to think that the green haired fighter is the arcade version of Little Mac / the challenger from Arm Wrestling.
 

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The two games are too different.
They both involve fighting. And punching. That's where the similarities end.
Little Mac being an Urban Champion character is like Pit being a Star Fox characters.
Because they are both on-rails shooters.
It doesn't really make sense.

Generic story of a boxer champion who was taken out of the streets.
Id said i like to think...
 

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I hate it when people refer to Yoshi and Wario as Mario characters. Different logos, different series. Obviously they have done enough to warrant representing their own series, as Sakurai considers them from the Yoshi and Warioware series.
I honestly still view them as Mario characters, no matter how erroneous. It is a scenario of common misconception vs objective fact.
 

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Urban Champion and Punch Out, now that's a crossover I'd like to see.

The character design is a bit different too. The Urban Champ fellows have round noses like Mario. However, it'd be amusing to think that the green haired fighter is the arcade version of Little Mac / the challenger from Arm Wrestling.
Nintendo really needs to revive Urban Champion as a beat'em up game... the NES game was crappy, let's be honest, but it has a certain Nintendo-like charm that I like... and I think it could do better if it was a beat'em up game like Double Dragon, Final Fight, Streets of Rage, and River City Ransom.
 

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I honestly still view them as Mario characters, no matter how erroneous. It is a scenario of common misconception vs objective fact.
I understand, considering that they originated in Mario games, but in reality, Sakurai does not view them as such.
This means that Yoshi and Wario will not get in the way of a possible 5th Mario character.
 

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Generic story of a boxer champion who was taken out of the streets.
Id said i like to think...

I don't think you're that far off, though. Nintendo supposedly published the backstory of Punch Out once. Where Doc Louis was a drunk ex-Pro-boxer, Little Mac was a convict reformed into a boxer, etc.
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(But me thinks it was a complete ripoff off A-sh-ita no Joe, so I prefer to believe that was just a bad rumor going on).
 

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I hate it when people refer to Yoshi and Wario as Mario characters. Different logos, different series. Obviously they have done enough to warrant representing their own series, as Sakurai considers them from the Yoshi and Warioware series.
Ugh, I hate it when people use that as an excuse to ignore that they originated from Mario and constantly appear in the series to this day. Saying they aren't Mario character is bull crap. You can be both.

There is no reason to say we don't have enough Mario characters just because they have different icons.

It's honorable, but I was just suggesting not to get too carried away with predictions and expectations or else it might get you disappointed in the game.
I honestly don't care if he gets in or not. I won't be disappointing if he doesn't anymore than Little Mac.

The only joy I'll really get is being able to say "I told you so."


Sakurai does not view them as such.
This means that Yoshi and Wario will not get in the way of a possible 5th Mario character.
Can you prove this?
 

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Ugh, I hate it when people use that as an excuse to ignore that they originated from Mario and constantly appear in the series to this day. Saying they aren't Mario character is bull crap. You can be both.

Can you prove this?
See, I don't want to argue about this, but if Sakurai labels a character with an original icon and lists them as a separate series, than they are part of a separate series. They can be both, but in Smash they are considered part of a separate series. I'm not making excuses, I'm just stating the facts. Different icon usually points to different franchise. In Smash that is.
I can't prove that a 5th Mario character will not be hurt by the huge representation of the Marioverse in Smash, but it is definitely not out of the question. Sorry if I came across as rude, I didn't mean to, I just meant that they have done enough to be considered separate series.
 

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Nintendo really needs to revive Urban Champion as a beat'em up game... the NES game was crappy, let's be honest, but it has a certain Nintendo-like charm that I like... and I think it could do better if it was a beat'em up game like Double Dragon, Final Fight, Streets of Rage, and River City Ransom.
Spartan X.
 

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Ugh, I hate it when people use that as an excuse to ignore that they originated from Mario and constantly appear in the series to this day. Saying they aren't Mario character is bull crap. You can be both.

There is no reason to say we don't have enough Mario characters just because they have different icons.


I honestly don't care if he gets in or not. I won't be disappointing if he doesn't anymore than Little Mac.

The only joy I'll really get is being able to say "I told you so."



Can you prove this?
I thought the proof was very overt. The franchise symbols at the bottom signify that Sakurai considers them to be their own franchises. Especially the WarioWare (there was an assist trophy) one. The different stages might also allude to the very same. I don't believe Wario or Yoshi share the slots with the Mario characters either.
 

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Nintendo really needs to revive Urban Champion as a beat'em up game... the NES game was crappy, let's be honest, but it has a certain Nintendo-like charm that I like... and I think it could do better if it was a beat'em up game like Double Dragon, Final Fight, Streets of Rage, and River City Ransom.


I would really like that actually!
The game had some nice concepts going on (pushing opponents to manholes, people throwing flower-pots from the windows, police cars forcing you to separate from the opponent)
But the combat itself was kinda boring. Although I totally see the Nintendo charm you speak of.
I wish they gave it another chance, now with free roaming (facing left-right), maybe some platforming, and boss fights.


Fun fact: My first VC game was Urban Champion... because I had completely mistaken it for River City Ransom. $5 I'm never getting back.



Spartan X.

One of my favorite NES game of all time. If it weren't because he'd be far too bland (and 3rd party) I'd be supporting Thomas for SSB4.
 
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