Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Gingerbread Man]

If you were to just flatten mario, you'd get a character that does not look like or move like paper mario. As professional developers, they wouldn't let that happen.
Paper mario's proportions are vastly different, and because of the nature of being a 2D character, his animations would also be very different.

Paper mario would be a hard character to simply clone. They would have to start from scratch. Given that circumstance, I see Paper Mario only being added towards the middle of development where they have the time to do it right.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Daisy over Rosalina? Not really.

I think Morbid meant to say Daisy would more likely be a Peach clone than Rosalina would, not that she is more likely to get in than Rosalina.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Good Evening all, hope you're all doing well. Well, I caught another shiny earlier today...too bad this damn thing is the most useless pokemon in existence. But hey...at least I gave it a good nickname.

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Anyways, the current topic is Daisy and Rosalina of all things? Oi Vey....

 

[Pacack]

Rosalina... in Smash? Um... I am not saying that I wouldn't like it, but Daisy has a better chance (and that really isn't saying much). In terms of move-set potential, I highly doubt that she would be a Peach clone at all. I mean what moves do they even share? I couldn't see Rosalina butt bouncing or pulling objects out of her dress. I couldn't really see her using a parasol to fly either... or any of the random golf clubs/pans/etc. I am not sure why she would be a clone AT ALL. They are not even similar.

Perhaps you missed it, but Rosalina was just confirmed as the unlockable fifth playable character for SM3DW.

 

[Morbi]

Daisy over Rosalina? Not really.

I am not the biggest Mario fan, but wasn't she only part of the Galaxy series? It was mostly an exaggeration though (hyperbole), Daisy is already in the game as a pallet swap. I mean thinking outside of the box is always a nice change in pace, but Waluigi, Toad, and Bowser Jr. are WAY more ideal. I cannot emphasize that enough.

I am a hater of Paper Mario, and even I think that he has a better chance than her. Don't get me wrong, I thought she was cool, I just don't visualize her working in Smash. I am not relevant on Mario, but I KNOW she isn't more popular than the other 4 choices (this is assuming we even get another Mario rep).

Really? Rosalina has more chances than Daisy because,well...Daisy has no chances...

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Exactly.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Good Evening all, hope you're all doing well. Well, I caught another shiny earlier today...too bad this damn thing is the most useless pokemon in existence. But hey...at least I gave it a good nickname.

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Double battles and triple battles are where Regigigas truly shines, but that's going off-topic.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Toad not being made playable doesn't necessarily rule out all the other potential Mario reps though. Bowser Jr. has done some mainstream mischief, and Rosalina will be receiving a playable role in 3D World.

Daisy and Waluigi are still in the dumps, since they're mostly affiliated with spin-offs. Sure Daisy had one mainstream appearance, but only as a damsel in distress; something that Peach already covers.

Unfortunately Rosalina being revealed in 3D World won't do her any good. Sakurai finalizes the roster pre-development for this reason. If Sakurai has a fifth Mario character planned he can't change it everytime there is a new reveal for a character. Once he starts developing a character he's not going to be like "Oops! Rosalina was revealed yesterday, better can all that work I did and start on more work."

 

[Morbi]

Perhaps you missed it, but Rosalina was just confirmed as the unlockable fifth playable character for SM3DW.

I actually did miss that announcement, I am still inclined to agree with SaturnGamer.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Wasn't the roster finalized this summer?

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Unfortunately Rosalina being revealed in 3D World won't do her any good. Sakurai finalizes the roster pre-development for this reason. If Sakurai has a fifth Mario character planned he can't change it everytime there is a new reveal for a character. Once he starts developing a character he's not going to be like "Oops! Rosalina was revealed yesterday, better can all that work I did and start on more work."

It's not unlike Sakurai to add something in at the last minute though. He did do that for Sonic during Brawl's development.

 

[Morbi]

Wasn't the roster finalized this summer?

Most likely, I think that she probably has a good chance to be an assist trophy though.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

It's not unlike Sakurai to add something in at the last minute though. He did do that for Sonic during Brawl's development.

That's not a comparable situation at all. And just because he did it once doesn't not make it unlike him. You're comparing this character with little importance to the Mario universe to Sonic The Hedgehog, the most requested Third-Party character. I don't see why Rosalina is a special case compared to every other nominee.

 

[Louie G.]

I feel that if Rosalina is added last minute, it will be somewhat of a Ganondorf case sadly.
Although if Sakurai had known this in advance, he could make a great moveset for Rosalina.
That's why I'm a little iffy about Toad. Peach's Standard B isn't even a problem.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Most likely, I think that she probably has a good chance to be an assist trophy though.

I think's that's how she will end up, but I think she'll be a stage cameo in a SMG stage.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

We need Saturn and Hotfeet to argue. XD Why, cuz.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

It's not unlike Sakurai to add something in at the last minute though. He did do that for Sonic during Brawl's development.

You're comparing a character with little importance to her franchise to Sonic The Most Requested. And Sakurai doing something once doesn't make it not unlike him to do something.

We need Saturn and Hotfeet to argue. XD Why, cuz.

Oh, god no! I've wasted enough time on YouTube today, I don't have time left to waste here.

EDIT: Sorry, bout the double post! Don't eat me MarioandSonicGuy!

 

[Chandeelure]

It's not unlike Sakurai to add something in at the last minute though. He did do that for Sonic during Brawl's development.

That explain why all his attacks are spin dashes XD

 

[TheLastJinjo]

That explain why all his attacks are spin dashes XD

And yet it's STILL that way. Why didn't he replace the side B with the boost from Sonic Rush!?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Mario could end up refering the Galaxy spin as a D-Spec move.

 

[Louie G.]

And yet it's STILL that way. Why didn't he replace the side B with the boost from Sonic Rush!?

For the record, I like Sonic just having spins.
It would be pretty out of character to give him say, Wisps to make his attacks more varied.
Although a speed boost could work, the Sonic in Smash is as close to a Classic Sonic that we'll get.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

That's not a comparable situation at all. And just because he did it once doesn't not make it unlike him. You're comparing this character with little importance to the Mario universe to Sonic The Hedgehog, the most requested Third-Party character. I don't see why Rosalina is a special case compared to every other nominee.

All that I'm saying is that some additional contents can always be implemented during the development period, no matter how late the development process is. All that we know is that the release date is some point in 2014, and it could be as late as next Christmas.

While it's true that Rosalina might not make the cut in the end, that doesn't exactly mean that she's out of the question.

 

[Morbi]

It's not unlike Sakurai to add something in at the last minute though. He did do that for Sonic during Brawl's development.

I am sure you guys are aware, but Sakurai already knew Rosalina was going to be the fifth playable character. She wouldn't be a last minute addition. He is aware of all potential upcoming characters before he finalizes the roster. He knows the other playable character in Tropical Freeze as well. It is kind of a requirement of his job. I am pretty sure he sits down with each company to talk about what direction they are going in, just like the Pokemon Company. I highly doubt that is an exception.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

All that I'm saying is that some additional contents can always be implemented during the development period, no matter how late the development process is. While it's true that Rosalina might not make the cut in the end, that doesn't exactly mean that she's out of the question.

I don't think it's necessary to point out no character is ruled out 100% just because they have like a 1% chance of getting in. That happens every time someone mostly rules out a character.

 

[Chandeelure]

And yet it's STILL that way. Why didn't he replace the side B with the boost from Sonic Rush!?

Why are you sure about that?
Because the Sonic's trailer?
Maybe it only shows his side B or only his down B,how are you sure that he does the two attacks in the trailer,they look like the same.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Why are you sure about that?
Because the Sonic's trailer?
Maybe it only shows his side B or only his down B,how are you sure that he does the two attacks in the trailer,they look like the same.

One backs up and jumps, the other one simply stays in place then dashes forward.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Oh, god no! I've wasted enough time on YouTube today, I don't have time left to waste here.

EDIT: Sorry, bout the double post! Don't eat me MarioandSonicGuy!

DO IT ANYWAY.

 

[FlareHabanero]

That explain why all his attacks are spin dashes XD

Apparently kicks and punches suddenly don't count now.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

My stance on Paper Mario remains the same as I don't think Sakurai is going to priortize clones again. Sakurai has said he feels it is important to have a young version of Link, and given how he (from what we've seen so far) hasn't changed much if at all leads me to believe he thinks the other version of Link should be a clone. He hasn't said anything about it being important to include another version of Mario however, he priortized clones in Melee, yes. But he didn't seem to care about them as much in Brawl. Since Roy seemed to be low priority, it's not unreasonable to think he was going to be a clone again, but his stance on clones could have very well changed at a late point during development or sometime after Brawl's release. At this point I cannot see Sakurai looking at Paper Mario as a way to add another Mario clone, although I CAN see Paper Mario borrowing a few moves from the normal Mario, like the fireballs perhaps.

As for Rosalina, I can see her being in the backround of a stage or as an Assist Trophy.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

good afternoon mates,
I have return to see where this thread will lead us today, what is the topic of today sonic?
personally I couldn't care less if sonic had his moveset changed, though he should have one of his spin moves be something else (can't think of anything exact at the moment)
off topic:
by the way does anyone knows where I can find a reliable gif maker that can create gifs out of YouTube videos, the last one I used seemed to have failed or something, and I can't access it anymore, so I need a new place to make gifs

 

[Morbi]

Apparently kicks and punches suddenly don't count now.

I am pretty sure he just meant the special attacks. The only one that isn't a spin attack is his recovery move (up special).

 

[Pacack]

For the record, I like Sonic just having spins.
It would be pretty out of character to give him say, Wisps to make his attacks more varied.
Although a speed boost could work, the Sonic in Smash is as close to a Classic Sonic that we'll get.

Actually, almost every one of his attacks is based off of something from one of his games, even if it appears bland. Several of the moves were based off of Sonic the Fighters (fun game, btw. I own it.)

 

[FlareHabanero]

I am pretty sure he just meant the special attacks.

That explain why ALL HIS ATTACKS are spin dashes XD

Apparently all is now an synonym for selective too.

 

[Morbi]

Apparently all is now adjective for selective too.

If you are just generalizing, it tends to happen in a colloquial environment such as this. When it comes down to it, Sonic's move-set predominantly focuses on spin attacks. I haven't counted out all of his moves or anything, but I am fairly certain that half of his attacks are spin attacks.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Actually, almost every one of his attacks is based off of something from one of his games, even if it appears bland. Several of the moves were based off of Sonic the Fighters (fun game, btw. I own it.)

This brings up something I'd like to say that I'm sure people will agree with...I wish that this Sonic has at least ONE move from Sonic Battle, as that game has so much to pull from in terms of unique moves for the Blue Blur.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

DO IT ANYWAY.

EEEH!!! leave me alone!!!

 

[Chandeelure]

If you are just generalizing, it tends to happen in a colloquial environment such as this. When it comes down to it, Sonic's move-set predominantly focuses on spin attacks. I haven't counted out all of his moves or anything, but I am fairly certain that half of his attacks are spin attacks.

It's OK Morbid,he is joking.

 

[Morbi]

This brings up something I'd like to say that I'm sure people will agree with...I wish that this Sonic has at least ONE move from Sonic Battle, as that game has so much to pull from in terms of unique moves for the Blue Blur.

I am actually in agreement. I expected that to be the case for Brawl, obviously I was thoroughly disappointed by a barrage of spin attacks and "Little Mac".

 

[Hotfeet444]

I am actually in agreement. I expected that to be the case for Brawl, obviously I was thoroughly disappointed by a barrage of spin attacks and "Little Mac".

I even have an idea that one could be incorporated into his moveset without changing things too much. The Sonic Shockwave...

It can be linked into his Down B Spin Charge, charging up to maximum levels and Jumping will let out a burst of energy along the ground, giving Sonic a projectile and some coverage against projectile spammers.

 

[Chandeelure]

One backs up and jumps, the other one simply stays in place then dashes forward.

I don't know,it looks like only his down b.
In the second 00:18 it looks like his side b (because the little jump) but,its because Sonic is in the air ,imo.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

My stance on Paper Mario remains the same as I don't think Sakurai is going to priortize clones again.

You're pretty quick to assume a clone out of someone with no similar physical traits.

Sakurai has said he feels it is important to have a young version of Link, and given how he (from what we've seen so far) hasn't changed much if at all leads me to believe he thinks the other version of Link should be a clone.

Well, what Zero Suit Samus? The similarities between Paper Mario and Mario and Link Toon Link are quite different in my opinion.

He hasn't said anything about it being important to include another version of Mario however

Nor did he say anything about Little Mac being important

he priortized clones in Melee, yes. But he didn't seem to care about them as much in Brawl

I hope you're not implying that being a clone had any influence on the cutting of characters.

Since Roy seemed to be low priority, it's not unreasonable to think he was going to be a clone again

Uh, I think it is. That's like assuming Mewtwo would be a clone ONLY because he was low priority

At this point I can't see Sakurai looking at Paper Mario as a way to add another Mario clone.

I don't think any of us see it that way.