Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

If Super Mario 3D World was expecting a 5th character, I would've thought that it would be Yoshi or Wario, but Rosalina was a surprising addition.

Now if only that inclusion helps her playable support odds for Smash Bros. U and 3DS...

 

[BluePikmin11]

What i'm really hoping for original characters as Sakurai has all the time to make them, but I still think Dr. Mario is quite important to the Mario franchise.

If Super Mario 3D World was expecting a 5th character, I would've thought that it would be Yoshi or Wario, but Rosalina was a surprising addition.

Now if only that inclusion helps her playable support odds for Smash Bros. U and 3DS...

You must be real happy right now that you still keep Rosalina in your rosters.

 

[YoshiandToad]

What i'm really hoping for original characters as Sakurai has all the time to make them, but I still think Dr. Mario is quite important to the Mario franchise.

In as much as he is Mario? Yes.

As much as I didn't mind Doc in Melee and even wasn't against his return for Brawl, with alt outfits being shown off for the Wii Fit Trainer I can't muster much love for Doc this time round. If they miss out on including him as an alt outfit though I'll be pretty disappointed.

 

[BluePikmin11]

In as much as he is Mario? Yes.

As much as I didn't mind Doc in Melee and even wasn't against his return for Brawl, with alt outfits being shown off for the Wii Fit Trainer I can't muster much love for Doc this time round. If they miss out on including him as an alt outfit though I'll be pretty disappointed.

But if Sakurai can make a real good moveset change for Dr. Mario such as more usage the pills (Yellow pills give paralysis, blue pills giving out water that pushes the opponent, and red pills that give out fire), I think I wouldn't mind Dr. Mario.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Looks like Jr. and Paper Mario's got some competition... Not anything major, but...

 

[Chandeelure]

Nabbit confirmed.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I really don't see why on earth Bowser Jr would get in if Toad didn't. And if Toad didn't, I suspect it's because Sakurai plans either no Mario rep or another variation of Mario.

 

[Knight Dude]

But if Sakurai can make a real good moveset change for Dr. Mario such as more usage the pills (Yellow pills give paralysis, blue pills giving out water that pushes the opponent, and red pills that give out fire), I think I wouldn't mind Dr. Mario.

Wouldn't the blue ones freeze? They do fight the chills and all.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Wouldn't the blue ones freeze? They do fight the chills and all.

Oh yeah I forgot about freezing. @-@

 

[YoshiandToad]

Nabbit confirmed.

ARGH. That is literally my worst fear for an outcome in the Mario newcomer stakes. I'll take no Mario newcomer over Nabbit.

 

[Louie G.]

So, how about that Rosalina?

 

[Bowserlick]

I kinda feel that Rosalina and Palutena would be fighting for the same design space.

 

[BluePikmin11]

So, how about that Rosalina?

She would be a neat semi-clone of Peach, but Dr. Mario has the better importance in Mario history.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I really don't see why on earth Bowser Jr would get in if Toad didn't. And if Toad didn't, I suspect it's because Sakurai plans either no Mario rep or another variation of Mario.

Toad not being made playable doesn't necessarily rule out all the other potential Mario reps though. Bowser Jr. has done some mainstream mischief, and Rosalina will be receiving a playable role in 3D World.

Daisy and Waluigi are still in the dumps, since they're mostly affiliated with spin-offs. Sure Daisy had one mainstream appearance, but only as a damsel in distress; something that Peach already covers.

 

[Deleted member]

Golden, I really do not understand why you are so skeptical of Paper Mario.

If you really don't understand, you have not been reading what I have been saying.

Speaking of which, Golden, since I haven't played Sticker Star, what about Paper Mario in that game makes him more clone-y than he was before? Personally, I have trouble viewing him as a clone because his paper form doesn't seem to match up with Mario's acrobatic movements in Smash well at all, despite him being capable of using the same moves on paper (heh).

One of the big arguments for Paper Mario was that "he can't shoot fireballs, so he can't be a clone" (I kid you not).
Here comes Sticker Star, and what do we see early on? Paper Mario shooting fireballs.

Add that to the fact that all of Mario's attacks can be copied by Paper Mario in some way (though like Toon Link, would likely have some kicking moves replaced due to having stubbier legs), even his Specials (If Dr. Mario can be given a "Super Sheet" out of nowhere, Paper Mario can have his own equivalent to the Cape. Also, Flurrie from TTYD can be summoned to perform the same role F.L.U.D.D. does), and it's easy clone recipe.
Being made of paper doesn't change that. Being in the paper style serves as a Toon Link proportioned Mario that happens to use permanent 2D filter such as when Mario is on Flat Zone or Hanenbow.

Now, I'm not saying Paper Mario can't be unique, don't get me wrong. But it's just as reasonable to see Paper Mario a clone, if not more given how Sakurai handled Dr. Mario and Toon Link.

She would be a neat semi-clone of Peach, but Dr. Mario has the better importance in Mario history.

Being even a semi-clone of Peach makes no sense.

The two are nothing alike outside of the facial features.

 

[Pacack]

I kinda feel that Rosalina and Palutena would be fighting for the same design space.

If that's the case, Palutena's gonna win out. Mainly because she has next to no real competition as a KI representative, while everyone and their brother is fighting in the Marioverse.

 

[Louie G.]

I kinda feel that Rosalina and Palutena would be fighting for the same design space.

I guess, but while Rosalina would have lumas and star spins and such, Palutena would use slow moving magic projectiles.
We're a bit low on magic users anyway, I wouldn't mind at all if we get both, although I want Palutena more.

She would be a neat semi-clone of Peach, but Dr. Mario has the better importance in Mario history.

I think Rosalina is different enough to become an original character.

 

[Deleted member]

since they're mostly affiliated with spin-offs.

Which means far less than what people make it out to mean.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Dr. Mario doesn't have much going for him moveset-wise. I think if Sakurai feels the need to include another version of the main protagonist of a franchise, he'll make that character at least a partial clone, albeit, one who has a few differing moves, different weight and speed, that makes the playstyle between the two versiosn differ. Sakurai thinks it's important to have a younger version of Link, and Toon Link returned and does not appear to have changed much. Luigi is clearly far more important to the Mario franchise than Dr. Mario, and also already fills a similar role of being a partial Mario clone, (though of course the differences between Mario and Luigi are much greater than that of Link and Toon Link) so I really cannot see Dr. Mario coming back in any way aside from being an alternate costume for Mario.

The circumstances for Paper Mario would most likely be different though, as that version of Mario has extremely high potential, and I'd doubt Sakurai still cares about having a second Mario clone, so if anything, Paper Mario would probably be added for his high potential.

EDIT: Hmm, I forgot about Dr. Mario's Brawl data. Well, he WAS low priority though IIRC, so that does show Sakurai didn't seem to care as much about a second Mario clone in Brawl than he did Melee, at least not as much as a younger Link.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Rosalina can always resort to utilizing her magic skills to give her attacks a punch. Without her magic, she'd be exceedingly weak.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I guess, but while Rosalina would have lumas and star spins and such, Palutena would use slow moving magic projectiles.
We're a bit low on magic users anyway, I wouldn't mind at all if we get both, although I want Palutena more.

I think Rosalina is different enough to become an original character.

But having a similar body structure with Peach and I think both can float, I think she could be one.
But with different special moves, perhaps sort of luigified.

 

[Pacack]

Being even a semi-clone of Peach makes no sense.

The two are nothing alike outside of the facial features.

To be fair, Ganondorf is a thing. Sakurai might do it.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I heavily doubt Sakurai would make Rosalina a Peach clone, espescially considering how Mario, from the same franchise as her has a (partial) clone himself.

 

[Knight Dude]

I kinda feel that Rosalina and Palutena would be fighting for the same design space.

Clearly what needs to be done now is have them go into the Colosseum and fight each other to the death. Whoever wins, gets added to the roster.

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Then Toad and Bowser Jr. can kill each other after that

 

[Louie G.]

I heavily doubt Sakurai would make Rosalina a Peach clone, espescially considering how Mario, from the same franchise as her has a clone himself.

I'm going to pretend you mean Dr. Mario.

 

[Bowserlick]

I heavily doubt Sakurai would make Rosalina a Peach clone, espescially considering how Mario, from the same franchise as her has a clone himself.

And the idea of Rosalina using Toad as a meat shield sounds a lot more out of place than Ganondorf punching.

Well, you could just make it a luma that shoots out stardust when hit.

 

[Louie G.]

Well, you could just make it a luma that shoots out stardust when hit.

Yeah, honestly, that is the only move of Peach's that makes SENSE for Rosalina.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

This might be weird to point out, but it seems that Rosalina is resized to a smaller height for 3D World. Normally, she's taller than Peach.

 

[Knight Dude]

I heavily doubt Sakurai would make Rosalina a Peach clone, espescially considering how Mario, from the same franchise as her has a clone himself.

And the idea of Rosalina using Toad as a meat shield sounds a lot more out of place than Ganondorf using a simpler, dark version of Falcon Punch.

You are completely right! Using Toad as a meat shield is wrong. She should use a Luma instead. A much better choice.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I'm going to pretend you mean Dr. Mario.

Luigi borrows a fair amount of moves from Mario, but I wouldn't consider him a true clone. Yeah.

Well, you could just make it a luma that shoots out stardust when hit.

Huh, guess I overlooked that.

Still, I can't see Rosalina being a clone of Peach.

 

[Deleted member]

Everytime people keep talking about Paper Mario's "potential", I'm going to look at my Brawl case and laugh.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Which means far less than what people make it out to mean.

I dunno Golden. For Waluigi sure, but can anyone see Daisy as being the next big Mario rep?

And the idea of Rosalina using Toad as a meat shield sounds a lot more out of place than Ganondorf using a simpler, dark version of Falcon Punch.

I presumed they meant it would be a Luma in place of Toad shooting off star bits instead of spores but with the same basic attributes.

 

[Morbi]

Everytime people keep talking about Paper Mario's "potential", I'm going to look at my Brawl case and laugh.

Yes, potential would seem to allude to an arbitrary conclusion. I mean someone could see potential in characters like Diskun. So it doesn't really mean much. It helps, but it isn't absolute.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I don't exactly see Rosalina as some mere Peach copycat myself, as there can surely be a way to give her a diverse moveset.

One example could be the usage of Lumas to attack opposing players, and the color of the Luma determines its power. The Sling Star would offer a third jump, and only leave Rosalina semi-helpless; she'd still be able to use her standard aerials, but not her specials.

 

[Pacack]

I don't exactly see Rosalina as some mere Peach copycat myself, as there can surely be a way to give her a diverse moveset.

One example could be the usage of Lumas to attack opposing players, and the color of the Luma determines its power. The Sling Star would offer a third jump, and only leave Rosalina semi-helpless; she'd still be able to use her standard aerials, but not her specials.

I think most of us are just worried about another Ganondorf case.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

IIRC, clones were prioritized in Melee, not so much for Brawl. I guess Paper Mario COULD be a clone, but I don't think clones matter all that much anymore to Sakurai with the exception of a younger version of Link, and possibly Ganondorf again.

I guess Paper Mario could end up being a clone, but only if Sakurai feels it is important to have a Mario clone. (not counting Luigi, since he differs) If Sakurai felt the need to include Mario I'd think it would be for another reason, but I'm not fully doubting the possibility that Paper Mario could wind up being a clone. There is the possibility that he could borrow a few moves from Mario as well, and still have some unique moves from the Paper Mario franchise.

 

[Morbi]

Rosalina... in Smash? Um... I am not saying that I wouldn't like it, but Daisy has a better chance (and that really isn't saying much). In terms of move-set potential, I highly doubt that she would be a Peach clone at all. I mean what moves do they even share? I couldn't see Rosalina butt bouncing or pulling objects out of her dress. I couldn't really see her using a parasol to fly either... or any of the random golf clubs/pans/etc. I am not sure why she would be a clone AT ALL. They are not even similar.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I don't exactly see Rosalina as some mere Peach copycat myself, as there can surely be a way to give her a diverse moveset.

One example could be the usage of Lumas to attack opposing players, and the color of the Luma determines its power. The Sling Star would offer a third jump, and only leave Rosalina semi-helpless; she'd still be able to use her standard aerials, but not her specials.

I guess I can see some diversity here, but my stance is still as a Peach semi-clone, but surely the special moves can be different. Perhaps she could use her wand for normal attacks, hmm.. now I see why you guys don't see Rosalina as a semi-clone.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Daisy over Rosalina? Not really.

 

[Chandeelure]

Rosalina... in Smash? Um... I am not saying that I wouldn't like it, but Daisy has a better chance (and that really isn't saying much). In terms of move-set potential, I highly doubt that she would be a Peach clone at all. I mean what moves do they even share? I couldn't see Rosalina butt bouncing or pulling objects out of her dress. I couldn't really see her using a parasol to fly either... or any of the random golf clubs/pans/etc. I am not sure why she would be a clone AT ALL. They are not even similar.

Really? Rosalina has more chances than Daisy because,well...Daisy has no chances...

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