Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Or perhaps because there's no need to replace FLUDD with a glorified version of the move that was already replaced?

Who said it would be his down special? It could have been his up special or up air.

 

[Deleted member]

Possible, but not surefire.

She's still got Blue Toad, Bowser Jr., Waluigi, and Dr. Mario's return as competition.
EDIT: And that's if there's another Mario character anyway, which there's also the possibility there won't be.

 

[Pacack]

Possible, but not surefire.

She's still got Blue Toad, Bowser Jr., Waluigi, and Dr. Mario's return as competition.
EDIT: And that's if there's another Mario character anyway, which there's also the possibility there won't be.

Do you not consider Paper Mario competition?

 

[Deleted member]

@Pacack
No.
If we're getting another Mario, it's going to be the Doc.
All of the "potential" in the world didn't have Papes considered over Doc in Brawl, and character decision was in the heyday of Thousand Year Door and Super Paper Mario was on the horizon (which got a bunch of Trophies).

 

[Chandeelure]

Possible, but not surefire.

She's still got Blue Toad, Bowser Jr., Waluigi, and Dr. Mario's return as competition.
EDIT: And that's if there's another Mario character anyway, which there's also the possibility there won't be.

LOL
Waluigi is not competition.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I don't see Toad happening and I don't see any Mario character outside of the main series happening, so I personally think that Bowser Jr. and Rosalina are the only Mario newcomers that have a shot. Of course we could just not get any new Mario characters at all.

 

[Deleted member]

@Chandelure
Been around longer, requested character in Brawl's time and now, was Assist Trophy in Brawl.

Get the "durr spin-off" logic out your ass; he's still competition. You can argue how "deserving" they are compared to each other to high Hell, doesn't make a lick of difference in the long run.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

Paper mario is still putting out his own games. I think by all means hes a very strong competitor.

The only thing I see that Doctor mario has over paper mario is that hes an easier clone. Which really isn't something to brag about.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

LOL
Waluigi is not competition.

Paper mario is still putting out his own games. I think by all means hes a very strong competitor.

The only thing I see that Doctor mario has over paper mario is that hes an easier clone. Which really isn't something to brag about.

I really hope Paper Mario doesn't become a clone if he gets in.

I don't see the logic in making a second Mario clone when they could simply bring back Dr. Mario.
Paper Mario deserves an original moveset.

 

[Chandeelure]

@Chandelure
Been around longer, requested character in Brawl's time and now, was Assist Trophy in Brawl.

Get the "durr spin-off" logic out your ***; he's still competition. You can argue how "deserving" they are compared to each other to high Hell, doesn't make a lick of difference in the long run.

He is a spin-off character.

 

[?????????????]

Whether or not you want to call Waluigi competition...

I find it hilarious that Rosalina made the cut as a playable character in a "main" Mario game before Waluigi ever did

 

[Deleted member]

In Brawl's time, Paper Mario had two games, one of which was pretty new and was considered a masterpiece and a third game coming up that was released during Brawl's development and got a bunch of Trophies.
And yet Dr. Mario was planned for return while Paper Mario was skipped over.

Only thing since then was a mediocre fourth game. One that manages to provide an excuse to make Paper Mario a clone.
Doesn't edge out over the Smash veteran that was planned to return.

He is a spin-off character.

So is every ****ing Mario character that isn't Mario himself and possibly Luigi depending if you count Donkey Kong as the start of the Mario series or Mario Bros.
Try again.

EDIT:
Also, Dr. Mario.
And the often discussed Paper Mario.
By the logic of "non-platformer characters", they're spin-off characters.

 

[Knight Dude]

So Villager's net is supposed to be his grab, according to the pic of the day. Oh, and Rosalina's in that new Mario game, that's cool too.

 

[?????????????]

In Brawl's time, Paper Mario had two games, one of which was pretty new and was considered a masterpiece and a third game coming up that was released during Brawl's development and got a bunch of Trophies.
And yet Dr. Mario was planned for return while Paper Mario was skipped over.

Only thing since then was a mediocre fourth game. One that manages to provide an excuse to make Paper Mario a clone.
Doesn't edge out over the Smash veteran that was planned to return.

Maybe. But the possibility and the potential still exist.

Even if the 4th game wasn't...well-received, it does exist, and the stickers could be a fun idea to implement.

But yeah, the prime time would've been Brawl. I just don't think it's completely ruled out.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

So is every ****ing Mario character that isn't Mario himself and possibly Luigi depending if you count Donkey Kong as the start of the Mario series or Mario Bros.
Try again.

Me thinks he was kidding Golden. Chill brah.

Anyway, I don't think it means anything for Rosalina. She's still unlockable while Toad is there at the start.

Really the only one I want is Paper Mario. I think Dr. Mario can get away with being an alternate costume, just with vitamins. That's just me though

 

[Chandeelure]

So is every ****ing Mario character that isn't Mario himself and possibly Luigi depending if you count Donkey Kong as the start of the Mario series or Mario Bros.
Try again.

It was a joke...

 

[Deleted member]

@Pizzamandudeguy
I would say Paper Mario would have a stronger chance if Dr. Mario was like Pichu and Young Link in the sense that Sakurai didn't plan on his return (and in Y. Link's case, directly replaced by Toon Link).


@Chandelure:
In the heat of an argument, jokes are difficult to decipher.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

Smashboards is giving me a hard time when I try to post these things... Or maybe its just my internet.

Dr. Mario, like the rest of the "planned" characters was included because he was present in melee not necessarily because he was the next best choice.

I'm willing to say that its far easier to make it onto the planned veteran list than it is into the newcomer list. With the roster size increasing and the new paper mario games that further establishes it as an on-going series, I think paper mario can get into the newcomer list.

 

[?????????????]

On Waluigi...

I'll agree he is competition from the reasonable standpoint that he IS a recurring Mario character. However, I don't think he is any more or any less competition than, say, Daisy.

I DO think that characters like Bowser Jr. and Toad are more...competition? Have a better shot, I suppose.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Dr. Mario is still quite relavant with the Virus Buster on Brain Age Concentration Training, Dr. Mario express for DSiWare, and with Dr. Mario Online RX for the WiiWare. His inclusion as a character wouldn't be too farfetched, but I hope he gets a moveset change.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Rosalina was added in Mario Kart 7 over Waluigi. Rosalina confirmed to be better than Waluigi.

 

[Sobreviviente]

Rosalina > Toad > Bowser Jr.

 

[Pacack]

@Pacack
No.
If we're getting another Mario, it's going to be the Doc.
All of the "potential" in the world didn't have Papes considered over Doc in Brawl, and character decision was in the heyday of Thousand Year Door and Super Paper Mario was on the horizon (which got a bunch of Trophies).

I agree entirely if I'm being honest.

Rosalina > Toad > Bowser Jr.

Are you saying this out of preference or are you just mad?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Rosalina and Dr. Mario might have to compete for the the 5th Mario spot as a clone.

 

[BKupa666]

Whether or not you want to call Waluigi competition...

I find it hilarious that Rosalina made the cut as a playable character in a "main" Mario game before Waluigi ever did

He'll be the main antagonist of Luigi's Mansion 3! Or in the next Wario game! Or playable in a Plumber Bros. platformer! Any day now...

@Godzilla Most people I've seen (especially on the Mario sub-forum) are adamant that FLUDD be replaced by the Galaxy Spin because they hate FLUDD and/or Sunshine, and a lot of others like the idea because they're quick to usher out workable old moves in favor of flashy, yet less substantive new ones. Buff FLUDD and tweak the visual for Mario's D-Air and he's all set, IMO.

@Golden Do you think Paper Mario could still feasibly be the 'next Mario' in line if Sakurai chooses to prioritize an original Mario newcomer this time around, rather than setting Doc aside as last-minute roster padding?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Guys, I think Dr. Mario could have a revamped moveset to be somewhat different from Mario.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

Guys, I think Dr. Mario could have a revamped moveset to be somewhat different from Mario.

Can doesn't mean should or will.

 

[BKupa666]

Guys, I think Dr. Mario could have a revamped moveset to be somewhat different from Mario.

Guys, I think Toon Link could have a revamped moveset to be somewhat different from Link.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Guys, I think Dr. Mario could have a revamped moveset to be somewhat different from Mario.

Yeah, but that'd mean that they'd have some time left to do so, and I'm not expecting them to even get as far as the cut Melee clones when even some of the more unique Brawl characters are at risk.

The only way I see Dr. Mario getting in is as an alternate costume to Mario. When the poor sod got outprioritized even in Brawl I certainly don't see how he'd make it this time as his own roster spot.

 

[Deleted member]

@Golden Do you think Paper Mario could still feasibly be the 'next Mario' in line if Sakurai chooses to prioritize an original Mario newcomer this time around, rather than setting Doc aside as last-minute roster padding?

Nope.
By that point, there would be the other characters that aren't an alternate Mario that would take point.
Only way we're getting a 2nd Mario again is if they're last-minute roster padding. That goes for both Doc and Papes and even Metal Mario, who has recently been established as a completely separate individual to Mario and has prior history to Smash as being a NPC opponent in the first game. However, his inclusion would have to coincide with the Metal Box being removed.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

Nope.
By that point, there would be the other characters that aren't an alternate Mario that would take point.
Only way we're getting a 2nd Mario again is if they're last-minute roster padding. That goes for both Doc and Papes and even Metal Mario, who has recently been established as a completely separate individual to Mario and has prior history to Smash as being a NPC opponent in the first game. However, his inclusion would have to coincide with the Metal Box being removed.

Golden, I really do not understand why you are so skeptical of Paper Mario.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Guys, I think Toon Link could have a revamped moveset to be somewhat different from Link.

Funny how people were expecting another variation of Link to be completely unrelated. Especially during pre-Brawl where everyone was oblivious to the concept of "Wind Waker Link" being more or less an updated revision of Young Link.

 

[Curious Villager]

Back during the days of Brawl, I just wanted Wind Waker Link in the game because I personally wanted him in. I never gave much thought of what his moveset would be, I just wanted him playable so I was happy eitherway when he got in.

 

[BKupa666]

Funny how people were expecting another variation of Link to be completely unrelated. Especially during pre-Brawl where everyone was oblivious to the concept of "Wind Waker Link" being more or less an updated revision of Young Link.

People expect all newcomers to be original because it's not yet widely acceptable to support a character who's a probable clone or semi-clone.

Speaking of which, Golden, since I haven't played Sticker Star, what about Paper Mario in that game makes him more clone-y than he was before? Personally, I have trouble viewing him as a clone because his paper form doesn't seem to match up with Mario's acrobatic movements in Smash well at all, despite him being capable of using the same moves on paper (heh).

 

[Knight Dude]

He'll be the main antagonist of Luigi's Mansion 3! Or in the next Wario game! Or playable in a Plumber Bros. platformer! Any day now...

@Godzilla Most people I've seen (especially on the Mario sub-forum) are adamant that FLUDD be replaced by the Galaxy Spin because they hate FLUDD and/or Sunshine, and a lot of others like the idea because they're quick to usher out workable old moves in favor of flashy, yet less substantive new ones. Buff FLUDD and tweak the visual for Mario's D-Air and he's all set, IMO.

@Golden Do you think Paper Mario could still feasibly be the 'next Mario' in line if Sakurai chooses to prioritize an original Mario newcomer this time around, rather than setting Doc aside as last-minute roster padding?

I'd be pretty damn happy if FLUDD got buffed(like doing non-flinching damage and more pushback). But even though I love Mario Sunshine as game, I wouldn't mind that FLUDD got replaced later on in development either. Well if the new move was good anyway.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Guys, I think Ganondorf could have a revamped moveset to be somewhat different from Captain Falcon.

Really, how likely is it that Ganondorf will get some notable changes like Pit and Bowser?
10%?
20%?

Personally, I'd still like two Ganondorf characters (one using dark magic and being similar to Falcon, and one using swords), but I know it won't happen...

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[Knight Dude]

Guys, I think Ganondorf could have a revamped moveset to be somewhat different from Captain Falcon.

Really, how likely is it that Ganondorf will get some notable changes like Pit and Bowser?
10%?
20%?

Personally, I'd still like two Ganondorf characters (one using dark magic and being similar to Falcon, and one using swords), but I know it won't happen...

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I'd say 60%. Call me a little too hopeful, but chances are most characters are going to be made more unique from each other. He doesn't need to be 100% different either. But he was given some unique attacks in Brawl, I wouldn't be too surprised if this was expanded upon in Smash 4.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Really, how likely is it that Ganondorf will get some notable changes like Pit and Bowser?
10%?
20%?

Well, Ganondorf already got changed up a bit in Brawl, but seeing as how Bowser and Pit were revamped heavily for this game, I won't be too surprised if we got a revamped Ganondorf although I'm not too hopeful of that happening.

I'd say 50%.

 

[shinhed-echi]

I think the most sensible thing to do regarding Ganondorf would be to get rid of his awful moves (Neutral B, Utilt) and replace them with a magic attack and a sword attack. One of each is enough to represent Ganondorf, IMO.

I think not many people use Down B either, and it's one of the most noticeable Captain Falcon moves so they could probably replace that one as well.

It's a good middleground for Ganondorf IMO. Maybe throw in a new Bair as well, and you've got yourself a good Luigification of Ganondorf.

 

[Arcadenik]

People expect all newcomers to be original because it's not yet widely acceptable to support a character who's a probable clone or semi-clone.

Speaking of which, Golden, since I haven't played Sticker Star, what about Paper Mario in that game makes him more clone-y than he was before? Personally, I have trouble viewing him as a clone because his paper form doesn't seem to match up with Mario's acrobatic movements in Smash well at all, despite him being capable of using the same moves on paper (heh).

Paper Mario's specials...
B: Fireball (Paper Mario turned into Fire Mario in Sticker Star)
Side+B: Fleep (this Pixl from Super Paper Mario could easily function similarly to Mario's cape from Super Mario World)
Up+B: Paper Jump Punch (Paper Mario already jumps and punches the boxes like Mario does)
Down+B: Sushie (the Cheep-Cheep partner from the original Paper Mario could easily function like Mario's FLUDD from Super Mario Sunshine)
Final Smash: Fire Flower (the Fire Flower battle item in Paper Mario games could function similarly to Mario's Final Smash)