Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Morbi]

I wasn't really disagreeing when it came to Mario's plot, it is somewhat irrelevant, if you didn't like my comment you could of just said so, not call me a smart *** for it.

It is the internet my friend. I have been called worse.

 

[XStarWarriorX]

Are you this naive?

I always get a kick out of how hypocritical this thread can be. Funny stuff like this always brightens up my day.
What's next?

I only liked your comment, cause I like it when you use that video. look dude I wanna like ya, I really do. But you seem to not understand that your the one that starts things.

Example: Someone makes a statement, everyone usually is like "oh its just a comment" and skims through, you however find something wrong with it and then the argument begins and goes on for 3+pages.

I'm glad you find this funny, laughing is good for you.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Actually, you do start a lot of unnecessary arguments Noah.

Pretty funny that you're calling me naive as you bash and flame more users on here than I've seen. Not to mention how you act around here as well with your history against other users.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

That's not even what my comment was about in case you are oblivious. It seems you are.

Actually, I'm not, the reason this all started was because you felt Maio's plot was irrelevant, which lead to you thinking it was an argument, when it was just different views. The I made a comment from before, which you found offensive, when it all came down to arguments, really.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Anyway... I had a huge post about Snake, but it didn't post (**** you smashboards). I shall try again.

I'd like to talk about Snake again

I've noticed that quite a few people have been labeling Snake as a character that Sakurai will leave as "low priority". However, let's consider a few things.

1) Sakurai and Kojima are good friends. Sakurai would have most likely gone to Kojima and asked, " Making another Smash Bros. Would you like Snake in again?" That would be a **** move on Sakurai's part to just not even acknowledge Kojima when he got Sonic. Not to mention, Sakurai went against his employer to get Snake into Smash. If he didn't like the idea of Snake, then I can almost guarantee he wouldn't have put in the effort to get him into the game in the first place.

***2) Low priority? No 3rd party will ever be low-priority. Obtaining the rights to any character, friendship or no friendship, means a contract. If Sakurai agrees to put Snake in, and signs a contract stating he will do so, then Snake WILL be in the game. It's really that simple. If Sakurai went against a contract? That would be bad, and something he wouldn't want to do. It's called "breach of contract".*** (just thought that this was an important point)

3) Sakurai liked the reaction to Snake and Sonic. In an interview, Sakurai has stated that he liked that Sonic and Snake brought something very special to Smash Bros. So it should be fair to say (unless you want to be all conspiracy theorist and say he lied) that he was glad Snake was in and was accepted.

4) The circumstances of Snake's inclusion at this point would be barely any different than his initial inclusion. He has a new game coming, and still has the games on Nintendo Consoles, especially The Twin Snakes and Snake Eater 3D. If Sakurai's criteria we have on this site are to be correct, then there is no stipulation for the amount of times you have appeared on a Nintendo platform, no matter how many times you have been on other consoles.

5) Snake was the first 3rd party character in Smash Bros. ever! It is entirely possible that without Snake, Sonic wouldn't have been in Brawl. Snake is the one who started it all, and I personally feel that he is under appreciated for this fact.

EDIT: Also, could we please not argue about something so ****ing stupid? Please?

 

[Morbi]

It is actually funny, Noah doesn't really EVER start arguments. He just jumps into them. I guess he is the most annoying, so he gets most of the blame for them.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Good God Noah, shut up. Just because someone says something about you doesn't mean it's okay to bash them that way.

Someone bashes me so it's my fault for bashing them? Jesus almighty! You just might be more ignorant than I thought.

Pretty funny that you're calling me naive as you bash and flame more users on here than I've seen.

Yes, but when others do it's okay. Someone bashes me so it's my fault for bashing them? Jesus almighty! You just might be more ignorant than I thought. Please, you need to shut up before I burst out into laughter.

Example: Someone makes a statement, everyone usually is like "oh its just a comment" and skims through,

Wow, that might be the most bull **** claim I've heard today!

you however find something wrong with it and then the argument begins and goes on for 3+pages.

About as much as anyone else does. I fail to see your point.

 

[Morbi]

Anyway... I had a huge post about Snake, but it didn't post (**** you smashboards). I shall try again.

I'd like to talk about Snake again

I've noticed that quite a few people have been labeling Snake as a character that Sakurai will leave as "low priority". However, let's consider a few things.

1) Sakurai and Kojima are good friends. Sakurai would have most likely gone to Kojima and asked, " Making another Smash Bros. Would you like Snake in again?" That would be a **** move on Sakurai's part to just not even acknowledge Kojima when he got Sonic. Not to mention, Sakurai went against his employer to get Snake into Smash. If he didn't like the idea of Snake, then I can almost guarantee he wouldn't have put in the effort to get him into the game in the first place.

2) Low priority? No 3rd party will ever be low-priority. Obtaining the rights to any character, friendship or no friendship, means a contract. If Sakurai agrees to put Snake in, and signs a contract stating he will do so, then Snake WILL be in the game. It's really that simple. If Sakurai went against a contract? That would be bad, and something he wouldn't want to do. It's called "breach of contract".

3) Sakurai liked the reaction to Snake and Sonic. In an interview, Sakurai has stated that he liked that Sonic and Snake brought something very special to Smash Bros. So it should be fair to say (unless you want to be all conspiracy theorist and say he lied) that he was glad Snake was in and was accepted.

4) The circumstances of Snake's inclusion at this point would be barely any different than his initial inclusion. He has a new game coming, and still has the games on Nintendo Consoles, especially The Twin Snakes and Snake Eater 3D. If Sakurai's criteria we have on this site are to be correct, then there is no stipulation for the amount of times you have appeared on a Nintendo platform, no matter how many times you have been on other consoles.

5) Snake was the first 3rd party character in Smash Bros. ever! It is entirely possible that without Snake, Sonic wouldn't have been in Brawl. Snake is the one who started it all, and I personally feel that he is under appreciated for this fact.

EDIT: Also, could we please not argue about something so ****ing stupid? Please?

1. Their friendship is a little irrelevant. That only alludes to the premise that Snake is one of the easier 3rd parties to implement. It doesn't necessarily actualize though.
2. I don't think he establishes a contract. I believe he asks permission to use the license. I don't necessarily think that it is an implied contract even if he agreed to personally put Snake in the game. Even if it was, point 1 would hopefully mean that Kojima wouldn't pursue any legal action.
3. That is all just PR stuff. It doesn't really mean anything. Even if Snake worked in Brawl, that doesn't mean that he will work in Smash 4. It doesn't mean that Sakurai's intentions are the same either. When it comes down to it, he has to acquire the license. If he cannot, he cannot put Snake in the game. I doubt it has much to do with his intent. Either he wants Snake or he doesn't, after that it is out of his control.
4. Agreed
5. Agreed

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Oh joy. Another argument regarding specific users. How fun!

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

CAN WE PLEASE STOP THE FREAKING ARGUING SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A DECENT CONVERSATION? I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT SMASH BROS.

 

[XStarWarriorX]

Someone bashes me so it's my fault for bashing them? Jesus almighty! You just might be more ignorant than I thought.


Yes, but when others do it's okay. Someone bashes me so it's my fault for bashing them? Jesus almighty! You just might be more ignorant than I thought. Please, you need to shut up before I burst out into laughter.


Wow, that might be the most bull **** claim I've heard today!


About as much as anyone else does. I fail to see your point.

First off, no one replies to everything that's said around here, that's what i meant and everyone forgets about it, then you go pages back and bring it back up.
...
If you don't see it then whatever there's nothing I can do, i'm not going to continue this like a hotfeet vs. you special. I don't remember anyone around here arguing something with an attitude like yours. I'm not trying to bash you, i'm just pointing out my observation of the users of this thread.

 

[Morbi]

CAN WE PLEASE STOP THE FREAKING ARGUING SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A DECENT CONVERSATION? I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT SMASH BROS.

Smash Bros... that isn't what this thread is for! It is for attacking random users!

 

[TheLastJinjo]

It is actually funny, Noah doesn't really EVER start arguments. He just jumps into them. I guess he is the most annoying, so he gets most of the blame for them.

That's really the jist of it. I can totally agree am the most stubborn in arguments because that's just me, but at least I use plausible points when doing so. Starting the arguments? Don't make me laugh. But, even I know when to end them. Even when I state that I'm done arguing the other user just keeps coming, so there is no reason to complain.

This is a debate forum after all, be glad that someone is making good use of it instead of starting irrelevant gif wars and talking about what it would be like if we were in a Smash game.

So put your pitch forks down and leave your "scape goat!" stamps at home. People want to talk about something that is meaningful and not complete bull ****.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

1. Their friendship is a little irrelevant. That only alludes to the premise that Snake is one of the easier 3rd parties to implement. It doesn't necessarily actualize though.
2. I don't think he establishes a contract. I believe he asks permission to use the license. I don't necessarily think that it is an implied contract even if he agreed to personally put Snake in the game. Even if it was, point 1 would hopefully mean that Kojima wouldn't pursue any legal action.
3. That is all just PR stuff. It doesn't really mean anything. Even if Snake worked in Brawl, that doesn't mean that he will work in Smash 4. It doesn't mean that Sakurai's intentions are the same either. When it comes down to it, he has to acquire the license. If he cannot, he cannot put Snake in the game. I doubt it has much to do with his intent. Either he wants Snake or he doesn't, after that it is out of his control.
4. Agreed
5. Agreed

The friendship is relevant to Sakurai's intentions. He is good friends with the guy, and if he feels that Snake is "legendary" then he is assumably more than happy to get him in.

With the licenses, it is essentially a business acquisition. Konami preserves the right to allow use of their properties, which Snake and Metal Gear are. If they loosely agreed upon it, then Konami/Kojima would have nothing to do about Sakurai putting Snake in some other scenario other than Smash Bros. That is assumably where a contract would form, to keep any shenanigans from happening.

On your third point, I agree. But there is truly no indication that Sakurai wouldn't want Snake again.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Someone bashes me so it's my fault for bashing them? Jesus almighty! You just might be more ignorant than I thought.

I did apologize though, didn't expect it to cause an uproar. and with what Zero2570 said, I wasn't trying to bash you just making observations.

 

[XStarWarriorX]

CAN WE PLEASE STOP THE FREAKING ARGUING SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A DECENT CONVERSATION? I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT SMASH BROS.

Let's talk about kirby because kirby is always on topic

Will MK get nerfed?
Will we get waddle dee?
What kind of kirby hats will we get?
Will kirby even use kirby hats?
Will kirby's moveset be reworked with more copy abilites?
Discuss, or skim through and talk about something better

 

[LoneKonWolf]

whelp i'm back now,
time to visit what I missed.

Nope. I don't have to worry about time constraints

okay then that's good, i'm pretty sure i'll would have been one of the first cuts on that list

More than that actually:

WARNING! CHALLENGER APPROACHING!


11/9/13: An introduction to a new fighter, Zero2570, is available!

Want to know more about Zero2570? Visit his user page! http://smashboards.com/members/zero2570.165298/

Spoiler

what no wai.....you did a badass challenger approaching for little ol me? I don't what to say really... I'm speechless. Edit: yeah went back to the kirby pic, more appropriate, gotta give props to kirby.

See mate!
told ya you'll be in.

 

[?????????????]

MOST reasons I see against Snake are things that would have already been taken into consideration before he was even introduced in the first place.

I think that, for Snake to return, it ultimately boils down to whether or not Sakurai and Kojima WANT Snake to return. I don't see why Kojima would refuse, and seeing as Sakurai accepted Snake before, I don't see why Sakurai would be disinterested now.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

On your third point, I agree. But there is truly no indication that Sakurai wouldn't want Snake again.

I think being a more well received and unique character is more important than being more iconic. Think about it: isn't it great that we can still have characters from lesser known franchises? If we only had the most iconic third parties we'd end up with boring people like Pac-Man. I'd prefer the more requested and bad ass characters over the most iconic characters. Coincidentally Mega Man and Sonic just happen to be both.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

MOST reasons I see against Snake are things that would have already been taken into consideration before he was even introduced in the first place.

I think that, for Snake to return, it ultimately boils down to whether or not Sakurai and Kojima WANT Snake to return. I don't see why Kojima would refuse, and seeing as Sakurai accepted Snake before, I don't see why Sakurai would be disinterested now.

THIS. THIS. THIS.

This is exactly what it comes down to. Time constraints are honestly irrelevant to 3rd parties I believe, as 3rd parties would be done far before the time for cuts comes.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Nevermind, I see the subject has changed by the time I found the gif I was looking for.

 

[?????????????]

Let's talk about kirby because kirby is always on topic

Will MK get nerfed?
Will we get waddle dee?
What kind of kirby hats will we get?
Will kirby even use kirby hats?
Will kirby's moveset be reworked with more copy abilites?
Discuss, or skim through and talk about something better

1. If they're working on game balancing, it's very possible.
2. I seriously doubt it, but I think he stands the best chance if ANYONE.
3. Ones for each other playable character.
4. Probably.
5. Doubt it.

 

[Morbi]

The friendship is relevant to Sakurai's intentions. He is good friends with the guy, and if he feels that Snake is "legendary" then he is assumably more than happy to get him in.

With the licenses, it is essentially a business acquisition. Konami preserves the right to allow use of their properties, which Snake and Metal Gear are. If they loosely agreed upon it, then Konami/Kojima would have nothing to do about Sakurai putting Snake in some other scenario other than Smash Bros. That is assumably where a contract would form, to keep any shenanigans from happening.

On your third point, I agree. But there is truly no indication that Sakurai wouldn't want Snake again.

1. So are you implying that he is obligated to keep Snake in the game? Or are you just insinuating that their friendship is a prominent influence?

2. The contract has to have consideration, so essentially Sakurai would have to pay for the rights to use Snake (if it was a contract) in which case... we are getting Snake.
3. Still, there is no indication that Sakurai would want Snake again.

When it all comes down to it, he needs to obtain the license (if he wants Snake again). He is the most easy character to dismiss because if he can't acquire the right to use Snake, Snake will not be making an appearance. We haven't seen how he treats 3rd party characters, so there isn't a precedent as of yet. So it is all up in the air. I would hate to see him go, but I think he might be one of the easier characters to dismiss in regards to a Nintendo All-Star Party Game.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I think being a more well received and unique character is more important than being more iconic. Think about it: isn't it great that we can still have characters from lesser known franchises? If we only had the most iconic third parties we'd end up with boring people like Pac-Man.

Well yes. Except Snake is all three of those. Unless that was your point in which I completely misunderstood and apologize

 

[XStarWarriorX]

Nevermind, I see the subject has changed by the time I found the gif I was looking for.

Snake will be in, I miss fawful...probably would be a sticker.

I like your dancing charmander.

 

[Morbi]

Let's talk about kirby because kirby is always on topic

Will MK get nerfed?
Will we get waddle dee?
What kind of kirby hats will we get?
Will kirby even use kirby hats?
Will kirby's moveset be reworked with more copy abilites?
Discuss, or skim through and talk about something better

1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. All kinds.
4. No.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

When people say Snake might be replaced with a more iconic third party, I ask...why? Snake is clearly cooler and more unique than say Pac-Man and probably more requested. Why get rid of the cool third-party that everyone wants just for the lame third-party that everyone knows?

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Snake will be in, I miss fawful...probably would be a sticker.

I like your dancing charmander.

Thanks, decided to edit the post.

Looking forward to a good oppurtunity to use the gif again.

 

[Morbi]

When people say Snake might be replaced with a more iconic third party, I ask...why? Snake is clearly cooler and more unique than say Pac-Man and probably more requested. Why get rid of the cool third-party that everyone wants just for the lame third-party that everyone knows?

Hopefully Sakurai abides by this logic. In that case, why not replace Solid Snake with Big Boss?

Why get rid of the cool character that everyone wants (Big Boss) for the lame character that everyone knows (Snake)?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

1. So are you implying that he is obligated to keep Snake in the game? Or are you just insinuating that their friendship is a prominent influence?

2. The contract has to have consideration, so essentially Sakurai would have to pay for the rights to use Snake (if it was a contract) in which case... we are getting Snake.
3. Still, there is no indication that Sakurai would want Snake again.

When it all comes down to it, he needs to obtain the license (if he wants Snake again). He is the most easy character to dismiss because if he can't acquire the right to use Snake, Snake will not be making an appearance. We haven't seen how he treats 3rd party characters, so there isn't a precedent as of yet. So it is all up in the air. I would hate to see him go, but I think he might be one of the easier characters to dismiss in regards to a Nintendo All-Star Party Game.

Yes, I believe that their friendship is something that is fairly strong in general, not just in the gaming industry.

I agree with 2 and 3, however I think Sonic's return says something. It says that Sakurai doesn't view 3rd parties as a "super special one time only" case. Sonic was last minute in Brawl, whereas Snake was there from the start. That's just the way I see it.

 

[Chandeelure]

1. If they're working on game balancing, it's very possible.
2. I seriously doubt it, but I think he stands the best chance if ANYONE.
3. Ones for each other playable character.
4. Probably.
5. Doubt it.

 

[?????????????]

Hopefully Sakurai abides by this logic. In that case, why not replace Solid Snake with Big Boss?

Why get rid of the cool character that everyone wants (Big Boss) for the lame character that everyone knows (Snake)?

I don't think that makes a huge difference. I mean, Brawl just calls the character "Snake." You could make it Big Boss, and STILL call the character "Snake".

That's the best compliment I'm willing to give Waddle Dee

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Third Party rules are way different from First Party rules. It's mostly about requests and uniqueness and what the character can bring to the game. For people who replace Snake with Pac-Man, It's never really been about who is more iconic. We had Sonic in Brawl, not Pac-Man. And we had Snake instead of Mega Man. It's more about what we want and would enjoy most.

 

[NickerBocker]

When people say Snake might be replaced with a more iconic third party, I ask...why? Snake is clearly cooler and more unique than say Pac-Man and probably more requested. Why get rid of the cool third-party that everyone wants just for the lame third-party that everyone knows?

Because Konami has other characters that, arguably, have more history with with Nintendo. Bomberman, Simon Belmont are some examples. Unless Konami gets more reps which I doubt, these historical characters wont have a chance.

 

[courte]

i read the last 3 pages i missed. rather than jump into anything anyone said...

where's my cuts? #CutSnakeOrMakeAccurate [Impossible] #DropROB #Ganon4Ganon #TwoLinksShould=TwoLinks

Because Konami has other characters that, arguably, have more history with with Nintendo. Bomberman, Simon Belmont are some examples. Unless Konami gets more reps which I doubt, these historical characters wont have a chance.

Simon can fill both the realistic and retro quote. He has a base and an ability pool that's diverse without being to gory and graphic. It wouldn't need to be toned down and bizarre like No Guns Snake, and it wouldn't be super tame like Pac-Man could potentially be. I'm not even sorry; with whips, knives, holy water, cross arts, and moves that can be borrowed from other vampire hunters, he's got lots of potential. I say that knowing not much about Pac-Man, but is he anywhere as capable AND interested as Game and Watch.
...I don't like ROB for that same reason. i get it, aside from the special moves it's mostly jet thrusters and spinning arms

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Because Konami has other characters that, arguably, have more history with with Nintendo. Bomberman, Simon Belmont are some examples. Unless Konami gets more reps which I doubt, these historical characters wont have a chance.

True. But those character are hardly requested, and most people (on here at least) would rather have Snake stay rather than replaced by one of those two.

 

[Morbi]

I don't think that makes a huge difference. I mean, Brawl just calls the character "Snake." You could make it Big Boss, and STILL call the character "Snake".



That's the best compliment I'm willing to give Waddle Dee

I guess you are not an MGS fan... are you? Hopefully he is an alternate at the least.

 

[?????????????]

Whoa whoa whoa...whoa...

If you double post, your posts COMBINE?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Because Konami has other characters that, arguably, have more history with with Nintendo. Bomberman, Simon Belmont are some examples. Unless Konami gets more reps which I doubt, these historical characters wont have a chance.

I agree Snake can be replaced by Bomberman (not Simon who's series had pretty much no affilitation with Nintendo outside Captain N). But, again Sakurai might think Snake would be better received than Bomberman. It really comes down to that the way I see it.

 

[Morbi]

Whoa whoa whoa...whoa...

If you double post, your posts COMBINE?

I agree Snake can be replaced by Bomberman (not Simon who's series had pretty much no affilitation with Nintendo outside Captain N). But, again Sakurai might think Snake would be better received than Bomberman. It really comes down to that the way I see it.

True. But those character are hardly requested, and most people (on here at least) would rather have Snake stay rather than replaced by one of those two.

i read the last 3 pages i missed. rather than jump into anything anyone said...

where's my cuts? #CutSnakeOrMakeAccurate [Impossible] #DropROB #Ganon4Ganon #TwoLinksShould=TwoLinks

Because Konami has other characters that, arguably, have more history with with Nintendo. Bomberman, Simon Belmont are some examples. Unless Konami gets more reps which I doubt, these historical characters wont have a chance.

I don't think that makes a huge difference. I mean, Brawl just calls the character "Snake." You could make it Big Boss, and STILL call the character "Snake".



That's the best compliment I'm willing to give Waddle Dee

Yes. They combine.