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XStarWarriorX

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why exactly does IC cause strain again?
Two characters in one game, the AI, and it slows down the frames and makes it laggy. etc.

@crusher, I think it'll be the same pokemon, but different costumes like gold/may etc. (you may have heard this from dragon at ign already :awesome:)

@Jones, True although c'mon man.... hawlucha!

@wolf, i'm a krystal fan yet I can tell that sakurai thinks that wolf is the better choice. sorry if you hear that stuff it kinda sucks that they act like that.
 

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no one is safe, and even upon confirmation there is still a basis for a huge chunk of the cast to not come back.
Pokemon Trainer. Pikachu was introduced at the same time as the genwun starters, but they didn't appear for 3 games!? and Jigglypuff is a bigger deal than charizard in the fanbase? if that's the case then the internet should be alerted. people are just as crazy for subsequent generations' starters nevermind legendaries, psuedo legendaries... hell pokemon in and of it's self has it's own rules i don't even know so i can't go into. But smash isn't pokemon. Everyone doesn't come back in smash, that's already been proven; it literally happened. I'd so god damn love to play as some new gen pokemon and give them a chance. i think both brawl ivysaur and project m ivysaur were great ideas, and i'd love to see it implemented on other pocket monsters...

but really i just love the idea of controlling tons of pokemon with more than four moves
 

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I wanted to have at least one character cut for my roster and I found Jigglypuff to be the most likely character to get cut. I know a lot of people disagree with that, but hey.
Why one character? Why would we have just enough time to where we had to cut one character, but not to bring them all back. Especially someone as easy to program as Jigglypuff. Imagine the outrage and sheer unfairness that only ONE character didn't make it. Do you really think Sakurai wouldn't just cut a newcomer to bring back all the veterans while still maintaining a vast amount of newcomers. Just cut Shulk and bring back Jiggs. Or at least cut someone else too.
 

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why exactly does IC cause strain again?
Sakurai mentioned in an interview that the Ice Climbers in particular were an example of characters they had to work extensively with for them to work for the 3DS version of the game. They won't be cut, but it is proving somewhat difficult or so it seems.
 

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@wolf, i'm a krystal fan yet I can tell that sakurai thinks that wolf is the better choice. sorry if you hear that stuff it kinda sucks that they act like that.
it doesn't bother me if a person wants Krystal in the game, that's understandable, in fact back in June I actually supported Krystal, but when it comes to badgering useless arguments that have no grounds and even insulting the character wolf, is where I draw the line, and it has gotten to the point of where I now hate the character, and wish she will die by burning inside a thousand suns.
and I do hear it every day, it mainly happens outside of these boards, it mainly sucks and irritating, mate sigh . . . . . .
 

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Your first point is irrelevant because of the fact that those were similar circumstances before Brawl.

Your second point is subjective, and therefore can't really be used as an argument against him. Snake had one of the most unique movesets in Smash Bros. He used explosives that he has used in his games, and has his trademark box as a taunt. I think the moveset works fairly well for Snake.

The comparison to Bomberman is flawed as well, because Snake doesn't kick explosives at all in any manner similar to Bomberman. Sure, he's got legs, but he knows how to use them. One big part you may have missed about Snake is the idea of CQC in MGS. It is a large part of the gameplay, and was crafted into a moveset for Snake.
which of his aerial moves was inspired by CQC? Aerials if i recall correctly being a huge part of smash? If anyone missed the CQC inspiration, i'm the last person on that list. I'd love to know what move inspired that down aerial. he barely had any CQC in his moveset, they tributed his basic staple moves and then instead of expanding on it, moved on to digging up explosives and using mortars for smash attacks ffs.

yes my second point was subjective. but is it also inaccurate? solid snake is not the demo man. we all know sakurai and the brawl team designed him to be 'nonlethal' because they didn't want to portray guns in the game, but i know i'm not the only person who thinks flashbangs, guns butts, tranqs, and blank magazines would have been a cool character to play as well? if bomberman were added instead of snake do you think he'd not have any of those explosive moves?

this isn't an attack on Snake by any means. I'm simply looking at possible reasons he wouldn't return. It'd be a stretch if i said 'sakurai is working with namco now, they have a habit of only having guest characters appear once in soul caliburs. cuts confirmed.' the reasons for which i can think of him staying past he was in the last one are few and far between. the reasons for him to not appear just seem more numerous without bias.

if he returned with a more CQC focused moveset and maybe some more emphasis on his character as a weapons expert as opposed to [Down and Uptilt wut?] a demoman which is how he comes across.
 

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Hell even capcom couldn't make pac-man work in a full fledged fighter.

You mean this guy? im pretty sure he doesnt count.


Btw, capcom cut megaman from marvel for "not being good in a fighting game", a terrible excuse considering he was already in a lot of fighting games, then in SFxT and now in smash. When they want a character to be bad, they do, is their weird definition of a "joke character".
 

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I have a major dislike for people saying "Sora would be so cool in smash", Sora was originally slated to be in SE's Dissidia series, but because Disney dosnt like their characters to be portrayed in fighting games he was cut. not to mention he is a third party character from a company with no ties to the developer.
 
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In a meta-example, Snake using explosives rather than guns would be logical thinking on his part.

Snake got an invitation to join Brawl, did reconnaissance (as shown in Brawl's trailer), and learned that the game is about sending enemies flying.
In Metal Gear, there are two major weapons for Solid Snake to use to kill opponents. Firearms and explosives.
Which of the two send people flying? Explosives.
Now, the knives, that's more of a Naked Snake/Big Boss thing. And while yes, Snake in Brawl is a hybrid of the two, it's still predominantly Solid Snake.

Now, there's no way to know if Sakurai was thinking of this, but I'll be damned if that doesn't make a ton of sense.
 

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it would be cool if Sora was a playable character in SSB4. (probably will never happen) :coolmonke:
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I have a major dislike for people saying "Sora would be so cool in smash", Sora was originally slated to be in SE's Dissidia series, but because Disney dosnt like their characters to be portrayed in fighting games he was cut. not to mention he is a third party character from a company with no ties to the developer.
Welcome to the forums brah.
 

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Seems good to me, but only one character has to be cut? Not sure I understand how that works. I'd probably cut Wolf too to be more realistic because if we get cuts it'll will either be more than 1 or none at all. I'd also replace Muddy Mole with Palutena and if you think there will be 2 retros, I'd go wit Lip.I'm not too sure about Robin either.
These choices I've made are me taking a chance more or less, I still find it quite possible though. I find Muddy more likely than Lip, being an international character, created by Miyamoto, etc. Having two retro characters from Japanese only games introduced in the same game is iffy to me. As for Palutena, I've always had my doubts on her, but if this roster had 46 characters I'd probably add her. Robin is more interesting than Chrom or Roy so :awesome:
 

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These choices I've made are me taking a chance more or less, I still find it quite possible though. I find Muddy more likely than Lip, being an international character, created by Miyamoto, etc. Having two retro characters from Japanese only games introduced in the same game is iffy to me. As for Palutena, I've always had my doubts on her, but if this roster had 46 characters I'd probably add her. Robin is more interesting than Chrom or Roy so :awesome:
If we are adding characters for being Miyamoto, why not his first character: Sheriff. Be cool to have some cowboy moves.
 

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Btw, capcom cut megaman from marvel for "not being good in a fighting game"
I think this is only the simple form of the reasoning. I always thought it was because that since Megaman is so closely tied to using projectiles, and not melee whatsoever, he wouldn't do so well since the Stage size had been made smaller. That's how I understood his removal.
 
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I thought the reasoning was that Arthur and Zero made his playstyle options redundant?
 

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I think this is only the simple form of the reasoning. I always thought it was because that since Megaman is so closely tied to using projectiles, and not melee whatsoever, he wouldn't do so well since the Stage size had been made smaller. That's how I understood his removal.
>M.O.D.O.K.

He was already in marvel with a moveset created especifically for being good in melee range and still use a lot of projectiles, a moveset he use in tekken btw,
 

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My personal feeling is that Kongs have a better history with DK than Kritters and we should see these 3 together first before we get anyone else from the series.
 

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a lot of people do (though not enough for it to be noticeable in the population), in fact my brother was actually disappointed he wasn't in brawl, mainly because pichu was his main in melee
If Pichu was his main he must of been the best competitive player ever!
 

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Why one character? Why would we have just enough time to where we had to cut one character, but not to bring them all back. Especially someone as easy to program as Jigglypuff. Imagine the outrage and sheer unfairness that only ONE character didn't make it. Do you really think Sakurai wouldn't just cut a newcomer to bring back all the veterans while still maintaining a vast amount of newcomers. Just cut Shulk and bring back Jiggs. Or at least cut someone else too.
What if Jigglypuff was cut along with a newcomer that was planned? That's two cuts right there, it's just that ones a veteran and the other isn't, it's still two characters planned for the game being cut. I don't see why people would be more upset about a smaller amount of removed characters than a larger amount. Sakurai's not going to remove another veteran because it's "unfair" to Jigglypuff.
 

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Before X and Y came out, I warmed up to the idea of the Pokemon Trainer having Charizard, Lucario, and Pichu on his team. Except this time, Pichu would use some of the electric attacks that Pikachu doesn't use to differentiate himself, like Thunder Punch and Wild Charge. And when he gets switched out for a different Pokemon, he uses Volt Switch to actually deal some damage.
 

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What if Jigglypuff was cut along with a newcomer that was planned? That's two cuts right there
That...doesn't really make any sense. Cutting only one VETERAN due to time constraints is your problem. It simply won't happen.

I don't see why people would be more upset about a smaller amount of removed characters than a larger amount.
It's not that we are upset about it, it's that it doesn't make any sense and won't happen. Although I can tell you people would be upset if it was one character because it's not fair for that character.

Sakurai's not going to remove another veteran because it's "unfair" to Jigglypuff.
Nor is he going to remove only ONE veteran because of time constraints. If that's the amount of time he has he is clearly going to just refrain from programming one of the newcomers in favor of reviving all the veterans from his best roster.
 

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at least you have Project M to play as Roy again (whenever he is released) We Pichu players have no way of seeing him again
I wouldn't say that, if that april fools vid was any indication, i'd say they could easily put pichu back in( and give him a spiky eared alt). It is a mod dedicated to melee after all, and pichu was in melee, so he's got a high chance whether people like it or not.
 

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at least you have Project M to play as Roy again (whenever he is released) We Pichu players have no way of seeing him again
Well some people are making a case to add Pichu in Project M so it's not impossible and he was shown at the end of the April Fools video before Roy and Mewtwo were even revealed so I think sooner or later he'll be in.
 
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