Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[NickerBocker]

True. But those character are hardly requested, and most people (on here at least) would rather have Snake stay rather than replaced by one of those two.

Id say Bomberman is pretty popular. Not as popular as Snake, but there is a following

 

[XStarWarriorX]

Whoa whoa whoa...whoa...

If you double post, your posts COMBINE?

If you double post, a mod comes in and puts what you've said on one post. if your talking about multi-quotes, yes you can do that.

technology is amazing.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I use to think Snake was one of the more likely cuts, but my thoughts regarding his chance to return have changed completely since then.

Honestly the only way I can see Snake getting cut is if Kojima wants Snake's inclusion in Smash to be a one time thing, and I fully doubt that's the case.

 

[?????????????]

I guess you are not an MGS fan... are you? Hopefully he is an alternate at the least.

Well, I haven't played a whole lot of MGS, so PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong, but...

Big Boss=Naked Snake

...Right?

It would make sense to incorporate that ANYWAY since MGS3 was on the 3DS.

 

[Morbi]

I use to think Snake was one of the more likely cuts, but my thoughts regarding his chance to return have changed completely since then.

Honestly the only way I can see Snake getting cut is if Kojima wants Snake's inclusion in Smash to be a one time thing, and I fully doubt that's the case.

Who do you think is the most likely cut? I am honestly leaning on Lucas myself.

 

[XStarWarriorX]

Who do you think is the most likely cut? I am honestly leaning on Lucas myself.

Actually i think we'll get no cuts at all. (i know it wasn't intended for me but yeah)

Also i'm closing in on a certain number.....

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Who do you think is the most likely cut? I am honestly leaning on Lucas myself.

At this point I'm not entirely certain.

 

[NickerBocker]

Who do you think is the most likely cut? I am honestly leaning on Lucas myself.

I think its PKMN trainer. Ya hes iconic and probably the most important pokemon character to his own series other than Pikachu, but the shear amount of time it takes to develop a character like that is alot. The most likely reason for cuts is time constraints, and considering the resources needed to create something like that, it makes the most sense IMO.

 

[Morbi]

Actually i think we'll get no cuts at all. (i know it wasn't intended for me but yeah)

Also i'm closing in on a certain number.....

I am actually in agreement. I do not think that we will get any, if we do, I am only speculating one or two. Sadly, that means that we wont get as many newcomers.

Edit- I agree NickerBocker. I can't believe I forgot about him. He is usually the character that I put on the chopping block because he is the most logical. Haha.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I recall some people mentioning that Sakurai said he really wanted to include a Pokemon Trainer in Smash for quite sometime. Is there a source for this?

 

[LoneKonWolf]

I am actually in agreement. I do not think that we will get any, if we do, I am only speculating one or two. Sadly, that means that we wont get as many newcomers.

well then its good news that I don't really want any newcomers then
personally I just want all the veterans back, we got most of the smash characters we need in brawl, there is no need to cut any of them
its just sadly I don't find this will hold much water

 

[XStarWarriorX]

I am actually in agreement. I do not think that we will get any, if we do, I am only speculating one or two. Sadly, that means that we wont get as many newcomers.

Not necessarily. I think we'll get 13-15 newcomers, since they are two games, and we'll get 50 characters not counting transformations. Seems with two big developing staffs in namco and sakurai's staff working everyday on it, it seems plausible.

Also this is my triple six's post. The boogie man is gonna get me now.....

Spoiler

 

[NickerBocker]

Edit- I agree NickerBocker. I can't believe I forgot about him. He is usually the character that I put on the chopping block because he is the most logical. Haha.

If PKMN trainer does get cut, it will free up time for at least 3 other seperate characters.

 

[TopTierPichu]

I thought Sakurai said he was not planning to cut many characters but still add a decent amount of new comers?

 

[Morbi]

I recall some people mentioning that Sakurai said he really wanted to include a Pokemon Trainer in Smash for quite sometime. Is there a source for this?

People say a lot of things, he probably did want to include him, just like he wanted Mewtwo in Smash 64. The point that we should get is... Pokemon Trainer WASN'T in Smash for quite sometime. So it is irrelevant. As for a source? I find that once you ask for one people clam up.

well then its good news that I don't really want any newcomers then
personally I just want all the veterans back, we got most of the smash characters we need in brawl, there is no need to cut any of them
its just sadly I don't find this will hold much water

Me too. You have no idea how scared I was about Wolf getting cut when I first heard about the cuts. People think he is a clone for some reason. It is aggravating.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

This is my first 45 character roster.

Didn't want it to be too predictable, so some of the choices may seem weird. Thoughts?

 

[TopTierPichu]

I just want another Mother rep preferably Masked Man

 

[Morbi]

Not necessarily. I think we'll get 13-15 newcomers, since they are two games, and we'll get 50 characters not counting transformations. Seems with two big developing staffs in namco and sakurai's staff working everyday on it, it seems plausible.

Also the boogie man is gonna get me now.....

Spoiler

13 newcomers and no cuts? I wish dude, I really do. It isn't going to happen though. The problems isn't that they cant put in more characters, the problem is that they wont. Sakurai already thinks that the 39 character roster is feasible and that we cannot go much further.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I thought Sakurai said he was not planning to cut many characters but still add a decent amount of new comers?

Welcome to the boards!

And IIRC, Sakurai said he is trying to avoid cuts, and that no characters have been cut, but this doesn't guarantee all characters from Brawl will stay.

 

[XStarWarriorX]

13 newcomers and no cuts? I wish dude, I really do. It isn't going to happen though. The problems isn't that they cant put in more characters, the problem is that they wont. Sakurai already thinks that the 39 character roster is feasible and that we cannot go much further.

Sakurai says alot of things, yet does the opposite, that's why he's so unpredictable.

We shall see my friend.

 

[Seraphim.]

When people say Snake might be replaced with a more iconic third party, I ask...why? Snake is clearly cooler and more unique than say Pac-Man and probably more requested. Why get rid of the cool third-party that everyone wants just for the lame third-party that everyone knows?

Because some people feel Snake doesn't fit in Smash, whatever that means.

 

[NickerBocker]

This is my first 45 character roster.

Didn't want it to be too predictable, so some of the choices may seem weird. Thoughts?

Good. I like Robin, and the retro is good and...

...wait, no Jiggs?

 

[TopTierPichu]

or Melee, for that matter (looking at you Mewtwo)

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Whoa whoa whoa...whoa...

If you double post, your posts COMBINE?

I don't believe in anything except magic. It's awesome.


Am I the only one who wants Charizard to break from the Pokemon Trainer and be a solo fighter instead?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

If PKMN trainer does get cut, it will free up time for at least 3 other seperate characters.

I was just about to say this. Pokemon trainer would be an easy cut imo. I like the concept, but I wouldn't be upset if he was cut. We would be losing 3 characters all within one slot technically, so we wouldn't even have to worry about the likes of Ike or Lucario.

While I don't want cuts, I would be fine with this.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Also this is my triple six's post. The boogie man is gonna get me now.....

Spoiler

Why would I try to get you?

Spoiler

you all remember that I used Oogie as my avatar last month right?

 

[TopTierPichu]

I heard about data in Brawl's code stating that Plusle and Minun, and Toon Zelda and Tetra were supposed to be new comers, hopefully they are still taken into consideration

 

[XStarWarriorX]

I don't believe in anything except magic. It's awesome.


Am I the only one who wants Charizard to break from the Pokemon Trainer and be a solo fighter instead?

I thought that way before, because 3 pokemon puts a strain on frames, and on developers,trying to keep it at 60.

But pkmn trainer is iconic, there's 3 pokemon that everyone loves, and it solves alot of pokemon arguments, not all but some. It's fine the way it is. imo

above me ^: maybe they'll take toon zelda and maybe dixie into consideration, not sure about plusle and minun because of the problems it can bring.

@KOF, because my number of posts summoned you

 

[NickerBocker]

I was just about to say this. Pokemon trainer would be an easy cut imo. I like the concept, but I wouldn't be upset if he was cut. We would be losing 3 characters all within one slot technically, so we wouldn't even have to worry about the likes of Ike or Lucario.

While I don't want cuts, I would be fine with this.

Well when you think about it, what would you rather have?

Ike, Lucas and Lucario (for example) or Pkmn trainer? It just seems like you can bring so much more with 3 seperate characters. I liked that the original starters got some glory

But lets say PKMN trainer gets cut, would you want Charizard as a seperate, single character?

 

[courte]

aw man i spent like 10 minutes composing fair reasons why Snake wouldn't return and it all went away... what have i done?

MG launched on the NES, and hasn't has a new title on a nintendo platform in i don't even know. Snake Eater 3D was a port of a PS2 game [does anyone know if it was subsistence?].
offtopic but it's actually a bigger tragedy that he didn't appear in sony all stars but raiden was there so yanno.
Simon can bring his whole moveset with him without feeling limited. He can still feel authentic. Snake did... kicking things and explosives. I'm not sorry to say but that sounds like bomberman. Pac-Man eats pellets and has to stretch to his platformers to fill out a movelist. G&W was adapted naturally as that's what he's known for. Hell even capcom couldn't make pac-man work in a full fledged fighter. Snake without guns and knives feels like ugh. great to see him but... where is snake, for real?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Well when you think about it, what would you rather have?

Ike, Lucas and Lucario (for example) or Pkmn trainer? It just seems like you can bring so much more with 3 seperate characters. I liked that the original starters got some glory

But lets say PKMN trainer gets cut, would you want Charizard as a seperate, single character?

Yes I would want Charizard as his own character. I like Ike () quite a bit and think he was by far one of the most unique fighters in Brawl. I also don't think Lucas or Lucario should be cut either.

Honestly, they could replace PKMN Trainer with Mewtwo, and I'd be fine with it. Even though I really like the concept of Pokemon Trainer. What makes that scenario so appealing is that you're essentially getting 3 cuts from one character slot.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

But lets say PKMN trainer gets cut, would you want Charizard as a seperate, single character?

I kinda asked that same question lmao

If he does, I'd like to see his Brawl moveset return but with Rock Smash being a Down B and Side B being Dragon Claw or a new fire type attack. Too corny?

 

[XStarWarriorX]

Well when you think about it, what would you rather have?

Ike, Lucas and Lucario (for example) or Pkmn trainer? It just seems like you can bring so much more with 3 seperate characters. I liked that the original starters got some glory

But lets say PKMN trainer gets cut, would you want Charizard as a seperate, single character?

the only way he gets cut is if he puts to much strain on the game, more than the IC's did.

but if he did get cut, i would like charizard to be stand alone yeah, then add hawlucha, and maybe zoroark. (that is if the pokemon trainer filled in 3 character files).

 

[TheLastJinjo]

This is my first 45 character roster.

Didn't want it to be too predictable, so some of the choices may seem weird. Thoughts?

Seems good to me, but only one character has to be cut? Not sure I understand how that works. I'd probably cut Wolf too to be more realistic because if we get cuts it'll will either be more than 1 or none at all. I'd also replace Muddy Mole with Palutena and if you think there will be 2 retros, I'd go wit Lip.I'm not too sure about Robin either.

Sakurai already thinks that the 39 character roster is feasible and that we cannot go much further.

That's why I feel no Brawl veteran should be cut and that instead, newcomers will be lower priority.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Good. I like Robin, and the retro is good and...

...wait, no Jiggs?

I wanted to have at least one character cut for my roster and I found Jigglypuff to be the most likely character to get cut. I know a lot of people disagree with that, but hey.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

aw man i spent like 10 minutes composing fair reasons why Snake wouldn't return and it all went away... what have i done?

MG launched on the NES, and hasn't has a new title on a nintendo platform in i don't even know. Snake Eater 3D was a port of a PS2 game [does anyone know if it was subsistence?].
offtopic but it's actually a bigger tragedy that he didn't appear in sony all stars but raiden was there so yanno.
Simon can bring his whole moveset with him without feeling limited. He can still feel authentic. Snake did... kicking things and explosives. I'm not sorry to say but that sounds like bomberman. Pac-Man eats pellets and has to stretch to his platformers to fill out a movelist. G&W was adapted naturally as that's what he's known for. Hell even capcom couldn't make pac-man work in a full fledged fighter. Snake without guns and knives feels like ugh. great to see him but... where is snake, for real?

Your first point is irrelevant because of the fact that those were similar circumstances before Brawl.

Your second point is subjective, and therefore can't really be used as an argument against him. Snake had one of the most unique movesets in Smash Bros. He used explosives that he has used in his games, and has his trademark box as a taunt. I think the moveset works fairly well for Snake.

The comparison to Bomberman is flawed as well, because Snake doesn't kick explosives at all in any manner similar to Bomberman. Sure, he's got legs, but he knows how to use them. One big part you may have missed about Snake is the idea of CQC in MGS. It is a large part of the gameplay, and was crafted into a moveset for Snake.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

So now that we're talking about Pokemon Trainer, I'm gonna go ahead and ask:

Should he have the same Pokemon he had in Brawl (Squirtle/Ivysaur/Charizard) or should he switch it up with a multi-generation kind of thing (Totodile/Grovyle/Charizard for example)?

 

[TopTierPichu]

why exactly does IC cause strain again?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

the only way he gets cut is if he puts to much strain on the game, more than the IC's did.

but if he did get cut, i would like charizard to be stand alone yeah, then add hawlucha, and maybe zoroark. (that is if the pokemon trainer filled in 3 character files).

I would rather those spots get split between other newcomers instead of heavily focusing on Pokemon.

BTW yes, he did fill 3 files because he has 3 movesets.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

I thought Sakurai said he was not planning to cut many characters but still add a decent amount of new comers?

welcome to the boards mate, glad you made your first post here (even if this is a little more late than I planned to)

Me too. You have no idea how scared I was about Wolf getting cut when I first heard about the cuts. People think he is a clone for some reason. It is aggravating.

it still is aggravating, usually when I hear someone saying cuts, it always has to evolve my three mains, PT Wolf and Toon link,
now seeing Toon link got revealed, it seems all those people who wanted Toon link cut, now wants to get wolf cut, mainly for two reasons,
one is that Krystal will replace him, which I hope everyone understands by now of how much bulls*** this is, no matter how much loud those Krystal fans get, the eternal rival of star fox, will not get replaced by some overrated fox chick who wields a stick
and the second reason is because he is a clone, which if anyone has played wolf and fox will notice that they play completely different, yes he has similar moves and specials, but that does not make him a direct clone of himself, that is something I find completely infective reason to get him removed, not a single character got cut to date, because he was a clone, Roy and dr. Mario was cut due to time constraints, pichu was cut due to being the worst character, and young link got a spiritual successor (toon link)
the only way he will get cut is if because of his low priority, and that is not that big a factor, I just hate how people keep on saying that "oh krystal is better, she'll replace wolf that useless character" or "oh three star fox clones, lets get rid of one of them" it makes me sick to my stomach of how much of this BullS*** I hear everyday