Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Chandeelure]

If one character is going to be cut, is Snake.
Well, IMO.

 

[Sobreviviente]

Would third-parties really be at the top of priority behind Nintendo characters?

Thats why they exist.

 

[Zhadgon]

Would third-parties really be at the top of priority behind Nintendo characters?

Yes BluePikmin believe it or not, did you know that Sakurai spend a lot of the resources creating Mega Man and even went as high as the current game that spend almost the same on both, did you know to create Snake he put many blocks to the moveset of the character like no using guns and knifes so he need to think in other ways so the character could be implemented and even was of the first characters created to be in Brawl, the same with Mega Man in Smash Wii U / 3DS, did you know to be included Sonic many of the characters that would make it on Brawl did not happen because of all the resources went to him and now once again is one of the first characters to be created and revealed. So yeah third party characters are in some ways even prioritized than some Nintendo characters and the reasons are quite obvious they need to present the character to the third party and once the third party see how will be played and represented and they are fine with it, they give the green light but if by any situation they don't think the character is well represented Sakurai needs to change it and once again repeat the process until both parties are fine with the final product so thats why most of the third parties get more consideration than some Nintendo characters they cost more to develop thats why I think Sakurai only wants 3 or 4 third party characters at most because of all the resources that they need to spend on them (but finally is a big reward because people want and love this characters even more than some Nintendo Mascots).
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[NickerBocker]

Exactly. Based on what Sakurai said about Sonic and Snake, there is no reason to believe that he wouldn't try to get the rights to him.

So logically, Snake will not be cut.

No one really knows IF Sakurai got said rights to the character. Also consider that this is a Nintendo game, and if they dont want to promote "competition" so to speak, they wont allow it.

There was a strong reason for Sonic to come back based on exclusives and the relationship between companies. Snake, not so much. I cant imagine him beinh revealed with a link at the bottom saying "Want to know more about Snake? Heres a link to the Playstation website." That just seems... off.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Would third-parties really be at the top of priority behind Nintendo characters?

Yes. Because of all the work it is to get them.

There was a strong reason for Sonic to come back based on exclusives and the relationship between companies. Snake, not so much. I cant imagine him beinh revealed with a link at the bottom saying "Want to know more about Snake? Heres a link to the Playstation website." That just seems... off.

He doesn't have to have a link. There are several characters without one.

 

[Sharkarat]

Would third-parties really be at the top of priority behind Nintendo characters?

Because you need to go through the trouble of getting permission for them they will not be low priority, so they will either get in or not.

 

[Seraphim.]

Isn't Metal Gear Solid 3 on 3DS? Can't they just advertise that?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Isn't Metal Gear Solid 3 on 3DS? Can't they just advertise that?

This too. If Snake HAS to advertise something, this would be fine.

 

[Bowserlick]

Hey guys, how would you react if Lucas got cut?
Just wondering.
He's really growing on me, so I guess I would be disappointed. The real disappointment is if he comes back with all of the same specials. At least change one or two of them.

I agree. If Sakurai thinks there should be two reps on a small series like Earthbound, that is fine. But Lucas doesn't bring that much new to the table. If he had his own specials, than he would seem deserving for a spot. And this is all my opinion.

Sakurai seems to like Earthbound.

 

[Arcanir]

The only way Snake is not coming back is if Konami or Nintendo make getting the rights a pain, and I don't see that happening as both Kojima and Sakurai are friends and they'd work hard to get the companies on their side.

Realistically, cuts are hard to predict as none of them deserve to get cut, and ones that we'd expect to be the most likely could be the ones already in (like Toon Link). It's going to be interesting to see the final roster and how our predictions turned out because I'm sure there's some notable surprises on there we haven't even considered.

 

[Sobreviviente]

Megaman is a collaboration of both Capcom and Nintendo, just saying.

 

[Zhadgon]

So here is a change to the roster what do you think guys?

.n_n.

 

[XStarWarriorX]

So here is a change to the roster what do you think guys?

.n_n.

Dang falco where'd he go?and lucario? other than that good roster (although I believe we'll get 50 not 45)

8 out of 10.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

So here is a change to the roster what do you think guys?

.n_n.

didn't cut anyone important (except Falco, not that huge of a blunder), added all of the important people, and didn't add any useless characters, definitely a good one
(and you didn't cut wolf, an immediate win)
9/10 is what I say

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Add in Lucario and Falco.

 

[Arcanir]

So here is a change to the roster what do you think guys?

.n_n.

Lack of Falco and Lucario disappoints me and to be honest, I feel more comfortable about them staying then I do say Ike but I can understand their removals somewhat. Other then that, it keeps to the strong favorites or expected characters so no complaints otherwise.

 

[NickerBocker]

Im not saying Snake is gone for sure, but 3rd parties are a weird case. Sonic has his reasons for coming back, Snake not so much. We dont know if 3rd parties are planned to be permanent or not. I guess we will find out in the next few months how things go down.

I just want a new Konami rep because a lot of them have good history with ninty like snake, such as Bomberman, Simon Belmont and Goemon (gee, how did you guess I wanted Goemon

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

No one really knows IF Sakurai got said rights to the character. Also consider that this is a Nintendo game, and if they dont want to promote "competition" so to speak, they wont allow it.

There was a strong reason for Sonic to come back based on exclusives and the relationship between companies. Snake, not so much. I cant imagine him beinh revealed with a link at the bottom saying "Want to know more about Snake? Heres a link to the Playstation website." That just seems... off.

That is exactly what happened the first time Snake was included. Why does that suddenly matter?

He could easily not have a link and be revealed on the anniversary date of Metal Gear or the anniversary date of MGS: The Twin Snakes.

If these things mattered like what you are saying, he wouldn't have gotten in in the first place.

 

[Chandeelure]

didn't cut anyone important (except Falco, not that huge of a blunder), added all of the important people, and didn't add any useless characters, definitely a good one
(and you didn't cut wolf, an immediate win)
9/10 is what I say

Who is an useless character?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I think people were being a bit harsh on Divine.

I just think maybe he was trying to be good I guess, but he hates when he thinks everyone has a huge grudge on him.

And the only real friend he really had was Treecko.

For most users this is true. But, for Divine Deity: HELL TO THE NO!

 

[Zhadgon]

Add in Lucario and Falco.

Then give me two cuts but only for the veterans side not for the newcomers.
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[LoneKonWolf]

Who is an useless character?

I would say little or not very important characters that are not needed in smash,
some examples(that are my opinion) are: Waluigi, Krystal, Vaati, zoroark, and any fire emblem reps that are not the main characters (marth, ike, roy, chrom, anna, robin, and possibly Lucia)

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Then give me two cuts but only for the veterans side not for the newcomers.
.n_n.

Wolf and Jigglypuff

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Then give me two cuts but only for the veterans side not for the newcomers.
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I'll give ya 0 cuts.

 

[Sobreviviente]

I would say little or not very important characters that are not needed in smash,
some examples(that are my opinion) are: Waluigi, Krystal, Vaati, zoroark, and any fire emblem reps that are not the main characters (marth, ike, roy, chrom, anna, robin, and possibly Lucia)

I agree, but marth? o.O

 

[Fire Emblemier]

That is exactly what happened the first time Snake was included. Why does that suddenly matter?

He could easily not have a link and be revealed on the anniversary date of Metal Gear or the anniversary date of MGS: The Twin Snakes.

If these things mattered like what you are saying, he wouldn't have gotten in in the first place.

When is the anniversary of Metal Gear and Twin Snakes? just like to know.

 

[NickerBocker]

That is exactly what happened the first time Snake was included. Why does that suddenly matter?

He could easily not have a link and be revealed on the anniversary date of Metal Gear or the anniversary date of MGS: The Twin Snakes.

If these things mattered like what you are saying, he wouldn't have gotten in in the first place.

Like I said, I dont know if its a deal or not. I was one of those people who thought Sonic and Snake were both going to be excluded because you have to keep things fresh and we didnt know the extent of 3rd party inclusions and whether or not theyll be back or not. There are other Konami reps that, IMO, have a more substantial history with Nintendo that could potentially replace Snake

Snake isnt his own company. Konami has other options as well, which is what im trying to say.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

There are other Konami reps that, IMO, have a more substantial history with Nintendo that could potentially replace Snake

This is exactly how I feel about Bomberman.

 

[Deleted member]

Rhythm beat me to the punch, but yeah, Snake can just "advertise" Snake Eater 3D.

Marth "advertises" for a game that's been released already (especially so in Japan, where his page links to a DS game released back in 2010), so the "no upcoming game on Nintendo system" excuse doesn't work against Snake.

....in fact, I'd say a MGS3D style Snake linking to the site for the game seems rather likely at this point.
(Yes, I'm aware that Snake is Naked Snake, not Solid. However, Brawl created a hybrid of the two while still using the Solid moniker, so it shouldn't be any issue.)

 

[Gune]

So here is a change to the roster what do you think guys?

.n_n.

Lucario being cut still isn't likely to me he isn't as dispossable as a lot of people make him out to be nor do I think Game freak would just let him be dropped like that. I can't really say much about Wolf in over Falco that's not a big problem for me though this will cause major uproars in the smash fan base.
7.5/10

 

[XStarWarriorX]

I agree, but marth? o.O

You've misread it he's saying those FE characters are important, anything else is just silly, although lyn should be on his list.

 

[YoshiandToad]

So here is a change to the roster what do you think guys?

.n_n.

Looks like everyone else's roster with the alterations being +1 FE character and -1 Starfox character.

Assimilation complete.

10/10, human.

You have done well.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

Wolf and Jigglypuff

Spoiler

You've misread it he's saying those FE characters are important, anything else is just silly, although lyn should be on his list.

whoops, forgot Lyn, sorry mate

 

[Sobreviviente]

You've misread it he's saying those FE characters are important, anything else is just silly, although lyn should be on his list.

ok, my bad.

 

[Bowserlick]

I do feel as if Lucario is going to stay, even though I was leaning the other way early on in the predictions.

People like him.

I feel Ike, on the other hand, could be cut only because:
1. ...a Fire Emblem character as been dropped before.
2. ...Shulk might be competing for the powerful sword character with range.
3. ...Chrom or some other Fire Emblem character could grab some of his moveset elements if he were to be cut

 

[Fire Emblemier]

I do feel as if Lucario is going to stay, even though I was leaning the other way early on in the predictions.

People like him.

I feel Ike, on the other hand, could be cut only because:
1. ...a Fire Emblem character as been dropped before.
2. ...Shulk might be competing for the powerful sword character with range.
3. ...Chrom or some other Fire Emblem character could grab some of his moveset elements if he were to be cut

We already gone over in his previous roster why Ike shouldn't be cut.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I do feel as if Lucario is going to stay, even though I was leaning the other way early on in the predictions.

People like him.

I feel Ike, on the other hand, could be cut only because:
1. ...a Fire Emblem character as been dropped before.
2. ...Shulk might be competing for the powerful sword character with range.
3. ...Chrom or some other Fire Emblem character could grab some of his moveset elements if he were to be cut

Yeah, none of those reasons work or ever did.

 

[Bowserlick]

Well, there could be an argument with Mewtwo and Lucario but I am not going to open that can of worms.

I like Ike.

So I would like him to stay, but I wouldn't be shocked if he left. That is all.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Only 2 reasons Snake would be cut

1. Time constraints
2. Bomberman

That is all

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

When is the anniversary of Metal Gear and Twin Snakes? just like to know.

Metal Gear is July 7th, 1987, and The Twin Snakes is March 9th, 2004.

Only 2 reasons Snake would be cut

1. Time constraints
2. Bomberman

That is all

I really don't think Bomberman has a good chance if Kojima and Sakurai still have their friendship. Again, a friendship in business is pretty powerful. I personally don't think Sakurai would bypass a friendship to get Bomberman.

Those feelings aside, I think Bomberman would be the ****.

EDIT: Additionally, Snake being a 3rd party automatically makes him out prioritize other characters. As I've said previously, Sakurai is essentially in a contract if he decides to put Snake in, and there really is no simple way out of that.