Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[courte]

If Marth mixes things up like Ike did and makes for a more interesting than *slash*slash* character, i'm hyped. If not i'm probably better off just shutting up right? [SO MANY FE CHARS WAITING TO BE LOVED AGAIN!]

btw after that last pac-man game i saw, i'm sadly now 101% against him ever appearing in a smash. still ok for a super conglomerate cross over though

I really don't think Bomberman has a good chance if Kojima and Sakurai still have their friendship. Again, a friendship in business is pretty powerful. I personally don't think Sakurai would bypass a friendship to get Bomberman.

Those feelings aside, I think Bomberman would be the ****.

EDIT: Additionally, Snake being a 3rd party automatically makes him out prioritize other characters. As I've said previously, Sakurai is essentially in a contract if he decides to put Snake in, and there really is no simple way out of that.

i know smash is different but characters get cut from fighters all of the time. Roy Pichu Mewtwo Dr Mario. It happened. I don't know if anyone thought it wouldn't happen from Melee to Brawl, i know i didn't think about it. But now from Brawl to 4 I think about it all of the time.
No One Is Safe Until Confirmed.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Additionally, Snake being a 3rd party automatically makes him out prioritize other characters. As I've said previously, Sakurai is essentially in a contract if he decides to put Snake in, and there really is no simple way out of that.

I don't think that's true. Nobody is going to force Sakurai to put in characters in a Nintendo cross over that he's in charge of. Even if there is a contract I'm pretty sure there is nothing in there about FUTURE smash titles.

 

[courte]

i wish i wasn't too tired to both taking a poll

theoretically [don't even know why i bothered typing that word no one is going to pay attention to it]

if the smash series were to keep going would you like to see
A] it just get larger and larger and larger with each iteration as the years and titles go on with only a small cut here and there, 2-3 characters at a time removed but a total of about 10 added to each one.

or

B] a series where each title is a balanced roster paying tribute to many characters in many franchises mixing it up and tossing out huge chunks to keep things fresh and make sure titles don't feel to similar [which is an ironic thing to even posit because you know... Nintendo]

I don't know about you guys but i don't think smash games are going to just keep coming out. sakurai's said that he's not crazy about sequels and he gets mad when people ask about a sequel as soon as a game comes out

 

[Chandeelure]

Bomberman FTW!

 

[courte]

i feel i should clarify what i said about pac-man. i'm not knocking on the classic for no other reason than pac-man as a platformer is... pac-boy high schooll jesus i can't even finish

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Besides recency, is Chrom even more popular, iconic, requested, or significant than Lyn?

 

[Gunla]

Besides recency, is Chrom even more popular, iconic, requested, or significant than Lyn?

Depends on where you go and the people you ask. Some people I know want Lyn in badly. She was an assist trophy, so there's some ground.
Other people I know want Chrom in. It all depends on who has played what game in the series.

 

[TumblrFamous]

So, tying into what you've all been saying (hello, by the way), how likely do you think cuts are this time?

Sakurai said they don't have time to bring back every character. People then started to run rampant, cutting out multiple characters, when I can really see only two or maybe three cuts. People's opinions on here changed when he added Toon Link, and now many people believe we will have all characters back because the clone of all clones returned.

Thoughts? I think there will probably be one or two cuts, but nothing to the extreme. And mind you there is no legitimate reason to cut any character this time around, the only reason characters would be cut now is simply due to time constraints, or in Snake's case, Kojima won't want Snake in anymore, which is pretty ludicrous.

 

[Bowserlick]

So, tying into what you've all been saying (hello, by the way), how likely do you think cuts are this time?

Sakurai said they don't have time to bring back every character. People then started to run rampant, cutting out multiple characters, when I can really see only two or maybe three cuts. People's opinions on here changed when he added Toon Link, and now many people believe we will have all characters back because the clone of all clones returned.

Thoughts? I think there will probably be one or two cuts, but nothing to the extreme. And mind you there is no legitimate reason to cut any character this time around, the only reason characters would be cut now is simply due to time constraints, or in Snake's case, Kojima won't want Snake in anymore, which is pretty ludicrous.

I think you make a good point. The re-inclusion of Sonic and Toon Link has changed my perspective a little on cuts. But I am stubborn. So I still would like Wolf and Lucas cut if they don't have new specials. Otherwise, I don't think they are bringing much new to the Smash arena. I also want Falco to have more variation in his Up and Side Smash. But these are just opinions of mine.

Based on what Sakurai has said about hating cuts, his past actions, and your informative post I think you might be right on two cuts. Snake possibly being one of them because of business reasons we have no idea about.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Took Link was really important to the Zelda series anyways, I still wouldn't leave out the concept of cuts.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I still would like Wolf and Lucas cut if they don't have new specials. Otherwise, I don't think they are bringing much new to the Smash arena.

*sigh* I will just never understand the mentality of moves over characters. I just want to play as my favorite Nintendo characters and that's what is important. I couldn't care less if there move set is exactly the same.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

So, tying into what you've all been saying (hello, by the way), how likely do you think cuts are this time?

Sakurai said they don't have time to bring back every character. People then started to run rampant, cutting out multiple characters, when I can really see only two or maybe three cuts. People's opinions on here changed when he added Toon Link, and now many people believe we will have all characters back because the clone of all clones returned.

Thoughts? I think there will probably be one or two cuts, but nothing to the extreme. And mind you there is no legitimate reason to cut any character this time around, the only reason characters would be cut now is simply due to time constraints, or in Snake's case, Kojima won't want Snake in anymore, which is pretty ludicrous.

personally, I was worried as soon as E3 was over back when they first announce the trailer, I was thinking that the exact same thing was going to happen again, (from melee to brawl) I began to think that Toon link, lucario, Lucas, wolf, and ike were all getting the axe,
but now I am about half and half on cuts, seeing Toon link being revealed when all (or most) was against him really brought up my hopes again, and seeing how sakurai is also focusing on as many veterans as possible, makes me think that there are either about 2 - 3 cuts, or there will be none,
only time will tell whether this will hold water, that would be the only way to now for sure

*sigh* I will just never understand the mentality of moves over characters. I just want to play as my favorite Nintendo characters and that's what is important. I couldn't care less if there move set is exactly the same.

I can't tell you how accurate this is mate,
I just couldn't say it better myself

 

[courte]

Besides recency, is Chrom even more popular, iconic, requested, or significant than Lyn?

for me it's a lyn over chrom and marth.
without giving percentages it's for many reasons. Blade Lord! Fast and efficient. yes she's more fragile but she's also deadlier. alot of the appeal of characters like sheik work here. the moveset could also be inspired as she is essentially iaido samurai to the max. a cursory glance at mitsurugi's style and setsuka from soul calibur offers stabs cuts slashes and blade smacks horizontal vertical and arching. where as marth... marthed. that's not even touching the quickdraw style.
also green hair.
and that was the first fire emblem game i played and i'm still waiting to play as her, seeing as how no one from the zelda universe will be allowed to embraced their sword skills. i said it and you know i'm right.

perhaps if i played awakening i'd join team chrom, but Hector[Axe] Emphraim[Spear] and Lyon[Magic] have my votes right after Lyndis so...

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Took Link was really important to the Zelda series anyways, I still wouldn't leave out the concept of cuts.

It's not like he was ever in any danger of being cut. Stubborn people were just "Oh, he's a second Link and is clone! Significance and importance to Nintendo: ZERO!!!"

 

[BluePikmin11]

Rhythm beat me to the punch, but yeah, Snake can just "advertise" Snake Eater 3D.

Marth "advertises" for a game that's been released already (especially so in Japan, where his page links to a DS game released back in 2010), so the "no upcoming game on Nintendo system" excuse doesn't work against Snake.

....in fact, I'd say a MGS3D style Snake linking to the site for the game seems rather likely at this point.
(Yes, I'm aware that Snake is Naked Snake, not Solid. However, Brawl created a hybrid of the two while still using the Solid moniker, so it shouldn't be any issue.)

I guess you finally changed my view on Snake. But I still want Layton,

It's not like he was ever in any danger of being cut. Stubborn people were just "Oh, he's a second Link and is clone! Significance and importance to Nintendo: ZERO!!!"

Eh must've been because of the cartoony style of Wind Waker.

 

[Bowserlick]

*sigh* I will just never understand the mentality of moves over characters. I just want to play as my favorite Nintendo characters and that's what is important. I couldn't care less if there move set is exactly the same.

Specials are basically the flavor of the character. Different mechanics make the game more dynamic.

With Wolf, he at least is the villain of the series. But Lucas is another protagonist from a small series that struggled to stay alive. That is why I think it is important for Lucas to have Lucas defining qualities. And specials and mechanics are the best spot for that.

It's not like he was ever in any danger of being cut. Stubborn people were just "Oh, he's a second Link and is clone! Significance and importance to Nintendo: ZERO!!!"

There was a pattern in Melee to Brawl of the clones (save Luigi, Falco, and Ganondorf) of being cut. Dr. Mario, Pichu, and Roy were taken out.

I can therefore see why people thought there was a danger of the biggest clone in Brawl of being cut based on that pattern.

 

[courte]

So, tying into what you've all been saying (hello, by the way), how likely do you think cuts are this time?

Sakurai said they don't have time to bring back every character. People then started to run rampant, cutting out multiple characters, when I can really see only two or maybe three cuts. People's opinions on here changed when he added Toon Link, and now many people believe we will have all characters back because the clone of all clones returned.

Thoughts? I think there will probably be one or two cuts, but nothing to the extreme. And mind you there is no legitimate reason to cut any character this time around, the only reason characters would be cut now is simply due to time constraints, or in Snake's case, Kojima won't want Snake in anymore, which is pretty ludicrous.

the reasons i can think of for cutting characters are.
-to make the game feel as fresh and standout as possible
-to keep the game easier to balance
-with brand new characters designed without template, less chance of clones [yes people today still cry wolf, i think the links don't have to be explained, and ganondorf the sword mage desert theif king... who forgot to bring a weapon twice and is still trying to live up to captain falcon's legacy despite hitting his rough 40s]

sure we can just keep bringing back all of the old guys and adding a couple of new dudes each time around, but at a certain point people will stop coming back if nothing has changed. i give those dbz games merit even though i'm not a fan. but when it became apparent that picking one of the others who wasn't goku or vegeta was already stacking the odds in my favor -_- why buy the next one and do it again? nvm that stupid story mode.

*sigh* I will just never understand the mentality of moves over characters. I just want to play as my favorite Nintendo characters and that's what is important. I couldn't care less if there move set is exactly the same.

that personally to me is the craziest thing i've ever read. i don't think you're crazy and it's not my intention to offend you. it's simply because while smash defies basic categorization, one of the labels it does hold is as a fighter. if everyone had the same moves... i can't even put into words.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

The only cuts I'd imagine even imagine possible are Snake, Lucas, Wolf, and Ike. I'm not saying we'll see cuts at all, but still.

 

[courte]

It's not like he was ever in any danger of being cut. Stubborn people were just "Oh, he's a second Link and is clone! Significance and importance to Nintendo: ZERO!!!"

you can say that now that he's been confirmed but before that? theres no basis for him to return given that he was so radically changed from melee to brawl. he could have ended up as his link between world incarnation easily. it's a very easy path to take when you claim 'of course confirmed character was going to return was there ever any doubt!?' that's something captain hindsight would do

 

[Zhadgon]

This is going on in circles some people tell me cut Ike, well lets cut Ike, then no you are wrong you should cut Lucario instead, well changes again, but what are you doing why Lucario the one should need to go needs to be Wolf to many space animals, well then cut Wolf, but seriously why did you cut Wolf one of the most important enemies and villains and is so different to Fox cut instead Lucas, well now Wolf is in and Lucas is gone, are you f...ing serious did you cut Lucas one of the most beloved character from Smash and a highly praised series from Sakurai you should axe Ike instead there will be more blue haired swordsmen in the roster, and then ... well you get the idea.
.n_n.

 

[Arcanir]

This is going on in circles some people tell me cut Ike, well lets cut Ike, then no you are wrong you should cut Lucario instead, well changes again, but what are you doing why Lucario the one should need to go needs to be Wolf to many space animals, well then cut Wolf, but seriously why did you cut Wolf one of the most important enemies and villains and is so different to Fox cut instead Lucas, well now Wolf is in and Lucas is gone, are you f...ing serious did you cut Lucas one of the most beloved character from Smash and a highly praised series from Sakurai you should axe Ike instead there will be more blue haired swordsmen in the roster, and then ... well you get the idea.
.n_n.

Well to be honest, there's no agreement on who should be cut. Each has a reason to be cut but also has a great reason to stay. There's a reason why there's a good chunk of fans who'd rather have the Brawl roster + a couple more newcomers rather then cut anyone, the Brawl roster was that good, you can't say that any of them need to go.

 

[BluePikmin11]

This is going on in circles some people tell me cut Ike, well lets cut Ike, then no you are wrong you should cut Lucario instead, well changes again, but what are you doing why Lucario the one should need to go needs to be Wolf to many space animals, well then cut Wolf, but seriously why did you cut Wolf one of the most important enemies and villains and is so different to Fox cut instead Lucas, well now Wolf is in and Lucas is gone, are you f...ing serious did you cut Lucas one of the most beloved character from Smash and a highly praised series from Sakurai you should axe Ike instead there will be more blue haired swordsmen in the roster, and then ... well you get the idea.
.n_n.

Ah life.

 

[Seraphim.]

This is going on in circles some people tell me cut Ike, well lets cut Ike, then no you are wrong you should cut Lucario instead, well changes again, but what are you doing why Lucario the one should need to go needs to be Wolf to many space animals, well then cut Wolf, but seriously why did you cut Wolf one of the most important enemies and villains and is so different to Fox cut instead Lucas, well now Wolf is in and Lucas is gone, are you f...ing serious did you cut Lucas one of the most beloved character from Smash and a highly praised series from Sakurai you should axe Ike instead there will be more blue haired swordsmen in the roster, and then ... well you get the idea.
.n_n.

Well the problem is that none of those characters have actual good reasons to be cut.

Wolf and Lucas aside from like 3-4 moves are their own character, Lucario is still pretty popular and Ike is in a better postion than Roy was.

I guess it just comes down to whoever you feel should be gone or just have no cuts at all.

 

[No Control]

The only cuts I'd imagine even imagine possible are Snake, Lucas, Wolf, and Ike. I'm not saying we'll see cuts at all, but still.

Yep, that to me is definitely the "at risk" group. Would've added Toon Link to that before he was announced too.

I think that Jiggs and R.O.B. also have like a 10% chance to be cut (really hope not on both counts, especially in Jiggs' case), with everybody else pretty safe.

 

[Bowserlick]

Part of the reason I dislike clones (besides lack of flavor) is the grandfather clause. Clones really should be a game to game decision. If they could pad the roster at the end when there is no time to add a new unique character, that is fine. But if they get shoehorned in the next game because of that and eat up a roster space, I don't think that is a good trade-off.

On the flip-side, Ganondorf is stuck with a Captain Falcon moveset, because people who got the clone version would scream if it was changed regardless of how it impacts actual fans of the character.

 

[YoshiandToad]

This is going on in circles some people tell me cut Ike, well lets cut Ike, then no you are wrong you should cut Lucario instead, well changes again, but what are you doing why Lucario the one should need to go needs to be Wolf to many space animals, well then cut Wolf, but seriously why did you cut Wolf one of the most important enemies and villains and is so different to Fox cut instead Lucas, well now Wolf is in and Lucas is gone, are you f...ing serious did you cut Lucas one of the most beloved character from Smash and a highly praised series from Sakurai you should axe Ike instead there will be more blue haired swordsmen in the roster, and then ... well you get the idea.
.n_n.

You've been around long enough to know we'd never all agree on something. Come on, we can't even agree on who is more important between Roy and Chrom for crying out loud, what hope do we have of coming to a complete consensus about who will or won't be cut?

(Although there are admittedly large amounts of agreement on newcomers when it comes to rosters; Ridley, K. Rool, Little Mac, Palutena, Mewtwo(returning vet) and Takamaru are basically universally agreed upon as acceptable newcomers on Smashboards)

 

[courte]

This is going on in circles some people tell me cut Ike, well lets cut Ike, then no you are wrong you should cut Lucario instead, well changes again, but what are you doing why Lucario the one should need to go needs to be Wolf to many space animals, well then cut Wolf, but seriously why did you cut Wolf one of the most important enemies and villains and is so different to Fox cut instead Lucas, well now Wolf is in and Lucas is gone, are you f...ing serious did you cut Lucas one of the most beloved character from Smash and a highly praised series from Sakurai you should axe Ike instead there will be more blue haired swordsmen in the roster, and then ... well you get the idea.
.n_n.

exactly what i've been saying!

well no not quite. but i've been saying the "iconic to the series and nintendo's history" argument is bull****

cut 'em start from scratch. i don't think it's out of line to say people have been babied in some way by this series. damn near everyone always returns. so yea some people may want to try a new character but so long as marth has got their back they don't ever really have to get better huh? they can always fall back to top tier even if its subconscious. nobody just likes marth entirely for marth unless you've jerked off to his picture. part of the reason you like marth is because he gets you the win more often than most other characters.

Kill. Your. Darlings.
and fall in love again.

there are like 100 FE classes with different hair colors, a veritable animal kingdom in StarFox and 718 pokemon for christ sake. I don't see a ChimChar on your XY team.

 

[Zhadgon]

Well the problem is that none of those characters have actual good reasons to be cut.

Wolf and Lucas aside from like 3-4 moves are their own character, Lucario is still pretty popular and Ike is in a better postion than Roy was.

I guess it just comes down to whoever you feel should be gone or just have no cuts at all.

But like I say if there would be cuts and probably will be (max 2 cuts I´m thinking), I´m trying to grasp who will it be and for now I´m seeing Pokemon and Fire Emblem in this position and is not about I don´t like the characters but more because it seems that Sakurai is always asking the two development teams in who to add to Smash, so I think those two series will always be in the thin rope and not necessarily because of Sakurai himself.
.n_n.

 

[Gune]

This is going on in circles some people tell me cut Ike, well lets cut Ike, then no you are wrong you should cut Lucario instead, well changes again, but what are you doing why Lucario the one should need to go needs to be Wolf to many space animals, well then cut Wolf, but seriously why did you cut Wolf one of the most important enemies and villains and is so different to Fox cut instead Lucas, well now Wolf is in and Lucas is gone, are you f...ing serious did you cut Lucas one of the most beloved character from Smash and a highly praised series from Sakurai you should axe Ike instead there will be more blue haired swordsmen in the roster, and then ... well you get the idea.
.n_n.

Your not going to get a solid cut answer from everyone, you never are especially when it comes to Ike, Lucario, Lucas and Wolf. There isn't a legitimate reason for them to be cut at all other than "he's going to be low priority" which even now isnt a legitimate reason (thanks Toon Link).

PS: finally got pokemon Y yesterday night.

 

[YoshiandToad]

there are like 100 FE classes with different hair colors, a veritable animal kingdom in StarFox and 718 pokemon for christ sake. I don't see a ChimChar on your XY team.

TBF that's because we can't get Chimchar yet on X and Y. Pokemon bank cannot get here quick enough.

Soon.

 

[Bowserlick]

Your not going to get a solid cut answer from everyone, you never are especially when it comes to Ike, Lucario, Lucas and Wolf. There isn't a legitimate reason for them to be cut at all other than "he's going to be low priority" which even now isnt a legitimate reason (thanks Toon Link).

PS: finally got pokemon Y yesterday night.

Low priority is still a legit reason. Toon Link does not negate that. Mewtwo was low priority in Brawl's character list despite not being a clone.

 

[Chandeelure]

Hey guys,Where can I have the last version of roster maker?
I don't know what number of roster maker is the last version.
7.0? XD

 

[Deleted member]

Bear in mind that it's not just Brawl's roster being factored in here.

Remember that Sakurai said that there was no time to "fully recreate every single character that has been in Smash at this point", which includes the 5 cut Melee characters as well as the two Final Smash characters.

So we don't really need to be that cut happy yet. Not when there's Pichu, Young Link, Dr. Mario (to a lesser extent), Roy (also to a lesser extent), Giga Bowser, and Wario-Man who can be left out of the recreation process in lieu of one of the veterans in Brawl.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

that personally to me is the craziest thing i've ever read. i don't think you're crazy and it's not my intention to offend you. it's simply because while smash defies basic categorization, one of the labels it does hold is as a fighter. if everyone had the same moves... i can't even put into words.

Yeah, well the other much bigger label it holds is being a crossover of all your favorite Nintendo characters. Nobody is talking about the entire roster sharing the exact same move set, but even 6 or 7 characters sharing move sets with others is not an issue according to the point of this game: Your favorite Nintendo characters duking it out. As long as they can fight and have a move set that represents them well and isn't broken, I don't give two ****s if it's similar to another. I mean would you pick a salami sandwich over Lucas if it had it's own unique move set? No, because nobody wants to play as a salami sandwich. People would rather play as Toon Link than Giriham even if he had his own move set. What's important is 2 things: Being able to play as your favorite character and them being able to fight your other favorite characters. That's all I care about. In fact Melee's roster never bothered me because it had the characters I wanted to play as. I want to play as characters more than move sets. If you're roster focuses more one moves than characters you will end up with a crappy selection of characters.

So when people say cut Lucas or Toon Link for more unique characters, I die a little inside because Lucas is one of my favorite characters and we shouldn't just toss him away for another less loveable character because they are unique. Same goes for Toon Link.

There isn't a legitimate reason for them to be cut at all other than "he's going to be low priority" which even now isnt a legitimate reason (thanks Toon Link).

This is implying that Toon Link originally being considered low priority was a justifiable opinion.

 

[courte]

Well the problem is that none of those characters have actual good reasons to be cut.

Wolf and Lucas aside from like 3-4 moves are their own character, Lucario is still pretty popular and Ike is in a better postion than Roy was.

I guess it just comes down to whoever you feel should be gone or just have no cuts at all.

that's what it comes down to every time; feels.
i emplore all of you to embrace some cuts therapy. no not your wrist.
off the top of your head right now, cut 10 characters from the roster. however make these cuts based entirely off of your feels and your feels alone. not logic. not what anyone else at all would think. i don't care if it's your best friends main if you don't like kirby cut him! it's not real anyway. just therapy. if you don't practice now you won't be ready when it happens. and boy will you be caught off guard when something like YL-TL happens and changes your life for the better

 

[TheLastJinjo]

There are just SO many people who think Ike might be cut. Yet not a single, solitary, sensible, remotely justifiable reason in which this assumption is a logical one in the slightest. I'll say it now, Chrom's recency doesn't mean jack **** compared to the other factors of criteria, which by the way I personally believe he fits none of. So people please explain what possible reason Ike could be cut. Because recency is not a reason nor is there any evidence that it might be like there is that it never was.

 

[YoshiandToad]

that's what it comes down to every time; feels.
i emplore all of you to embrace some cuts therapy. no not your wrist.
off the top of your head right now, cut 10 characters from the roster. however make these cuts based entirely off of your feels and your feels alone. not logic. not what anyone else at all would think. i don't care if it's your best friends main if you don't like kirby cut him! it's not real anyway. just therapy. if you don't practice now you won't be ready when it happens. and boy will you be caught off guard when something like YL-TL happens and changes your life for the better

Ten, eh? Any ten? What if they're already confirmed?

Should we do this, or will this break into flame wars?

I can see this ending badly.

 

[courte]

Yeah, well the other much bigger label it holds is being a crossover of all your favorite Nintendo characters. Nobody is talking about the entire roster sharing the exact same move set, but even 6 or 7 characters sharing move sets with others is not an issue according to the point of this game: Your favorite Nintendo characters duking it out. As long as they can fight and have a move set that represents them well and isn't broken, I don't give two ****s if it's similar to another. I mean would you pick a salami sandwich over Lucas if it had it's own unique move set? No, because nobody wants to play as a salami sandwich. People would rather play as Toon Link than Giriham even if he had his own move set. What's important is 2 things: Being able to play as your favorite character and them being able to fight your other favorite characters. That's all I care about. In fact Melee's roster never bothered me because it had the characters I wanted to play as. I want to play as characters more than move sets. If you're roster focuses more one moves than characters you will end up with a crappy selection of characters.

So when people say cut Lucas or Toon Link for more unique characters, I die a little inside because Lucas is one of my favorite characters and we shouldn't just toss him away for another less loveable character because they are unique. Same goes for Toon Link.


This is implying that Toon Link originally being considered low priority was a justifiable opinion.

a character is his moveset they are one and the same for reason that i think deep down you know. though it would do no good to pursue something any further
and a lot of the best crossover games have been fighters as well. it takes a diverse cast of characters to make these things happens, and those characters are diverse because they each bring a different moveset to the table.

and you would have a point if this were any other genre, but nintendo has such a huge pool of characters you'd have to go hunting to end up with a crappy selection of characters. it's practically impossible, but let's point out the real issue; what one person may consider a crappy selection of characters can and usually does vary wildly when compared to someone else's picks. if i wanted to play as a bunch of my favorite characters fighting without any pizazz or personality, i'd wait for SMTxFE. yes these characters for the most part have existed before their identity as fully fledged fighting personae have been crafted, but that's not to say making a character around their moveset and capability is a horrible idea. theres a whole genre of games based around it.

less loveable in your eyes perhaps, but did you ever consider someone else might like a new character in place of your beloved lucas?

 

[FlareHabanero]

So people please explain what possible reason Ike could be cut.

Ike eating all of the meat at the Smash Hall Buffet down the street.

 

[Gune]

Low priority is still a legit reason. Toon Link does not negate that. Mewtwo was low priority in Brawl's character list despite not being a clone.

He was low priority because he wasn't relevant nor was game freak pushing him everybody is getting promotions now hell practically everyone from brawl is relevant, what I'm trying to say is that we don't know the priority list.