Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[KingofPhantoms]

OK then.

It makes more sense for Ganondorf to use a sword at least a little bit and defintitily more magic, indeed some of his physical attacks are fine still, (specefically all his moves that AREN'T based on one of Capt. Falcon's moves. Except for his D-air, I think that one could stay) and Ganondorf, while obviously is physically strong as you can tell by his appearance, rarely ever uses physical strength in the LoZ. series. In Ocarina of Time he punches the ground, in Wind Waker he sometimes knocks Link or Zelda/Tetra aside with the back of his hand, and in Twilight Princess he has a kick attack. That's about it, he is far more well known for using magic and sometimes a sword.

 

[SchAlternate]

This looks like the Cd-I games if they where made after Ganondorf was made.

Should I take that as an insult?

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

I am not sure what is the topic now but it seems like people are arguing again...

You say that as if it's possible for any of these slow-folk to agree on something.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Should I take that as an insult?

No, the cd-I games where the Mona Lisa of gaming.

And now that I think about it, it looks more brawl in the family than cd-i

Or else you will Die!

 

[SchAlternate]

And he doesn't really use Magic, it's just phyiscal attacks coated in dark energy, and even through all the years, I've never seen Ganondorf use any kind of purple dark magic to attack of any kind in the 15 years he's been in videogames.

Do you even Ocarina of Time.

 

[MargnetMan23]

This looks like the Cd-I games if they where made after Ganondorf was made.

I've tried posting my roster 2 times before and I didn't get a response
Let's try this again.
View attachment 3684

Cut the N64 logo for the Gamecube logo =P

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

Again, I didn't say that. I'm saying if he wasn't a clone he wouldn't have been added to the game. Nor would he if he wasn't the main Zelda villain. They work together, but not without each other.

Is there a source that says he wouldn't have been added without cloning? This is the first I've heard of it.

 

[Morbi]

That's the point, he never had it in Smash because it was never given to him, and the other point is that HE SHOULD HAVE THEM! Ganondorf cannot feel like Ganondorf if he doesn't do what he does in his portrayals in various Zelda games.

And he doesn't really use Magic, it's just phyiscal attacks coated in dark energy, and even through all the years, I've never seen Ganondorf use any kind of purple dark magic to attack of any kind in the 15 years he's been in videogames. And for the last time, Ganondorf doesn't use brute strength, his strength comes from his magic and he doesn't go around punching or kicking people (Unless you count a few random times in Wind Waker, which was after Melee)

Also, define "Characters have alot of moves they don't use in actual games" aside from punching or kicking because they have to, that's very rarely the case. The other option is that they need to have moves added to them because there's not enough to work off of, but Ganondorf is absolutely nothing like that. And I know Ganondorf chokes people, that's why I said it's one of the few exceptions.

And no, he wasn't, but NOW is a different story, and he should use one, not fully, but in some of his attacks.

And laugh at it all you want, but it's undeniably true. He didn't create Shockwaves by smashing the floor, he didn't launch balls of dark magic, he didn't shoot out waves of magic after charging it up, he didn't float or fly, he didn't transform, and considering Ocarina of Time was the only game out with Ganondorf in it at the time, Ganondorf, once again, did NOTHING compared to what he did in actual games.



Wasn't the only reason he smashed the floor and smashed the water sage out of existence (It was with an open hand, it wasn't a punch) was thanks to the MAGIC of the Triforce of Power? Besides, two small parts of a series of games he's appeared in really aren't that much.

You forgot that his "challenger approaching picture" actually includes his sword. This could be seen as acknowledgment by Sora Ltd. that he is most properly interpreted with his sword. His clone status should have left in Brawl, Sakurai had plenty of time to think of a new move-set. I honestly think he spent more time thinking of how to differentiate Ganondorf from Falcon than it would have taken to just give him his own move-set. Haha.

 

[Arcadenik]

Cut the N64 logo for the Gamecube logo =P

Both N64 Logo and Gamecube Logo are irrelevant and not recent. Wii U Logo should get in instead.

 

[MargnetMan23]

Both N64 Logo and Gamecube Logo are irrelevant and not recent. Wii U Logo should get in instead.

Ah yes...
Wii Fight for U!

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Also, I view the argument of saying "lots of characters don't do things they do in their games" to be quite weak. In the case of the Starfox characters their specials were all based off of tactics/abilities that can be used by vehicles such as the Arwings. Diddy Kong's banana peel wasn't something he could do in any DK games IIRC, but it does make sense that he would have a bunch of banana peels at hand since he and DK own a banana hoard. In a those moves are based off something memorable they have in their games.

Ganondorf rarely uses physical strength in the LoZ games, that's not at all what he is known for. At least in Capt. Falcon's case he was given an interesting, memorable moveset, regardless of how he never used any of those moves in the F-Zero games.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

It would be cool if Ganondorf's final smash is transforming into a classic looking Ganon like from LTTP. He would stay that way like Samus and ZSS. He would have a similar body shape to DK, except less hunched over and his hands off the ground. He could use his Trident and Magic. And for a final smash, he can summon and army of classic Zelda enemies and then transform back into Ganondorf.

I hope people actually respond to this post for once.

Just reporting this, maybe someone will respond.

 

[Deleted member]

You thought that the fact he had a sword in his official art was just a joke? Yes, he was indeed intended to wield the sword seen in his art, as well as being seen in his "Challenger Approaching" and one of his victory animations. Not sure if Sakurai ever made a claim on it, but I think it's safe to assume from everything with Ganondorf being designed around the wielding of said blade that the idea was definitely in mind.

Funny, he was supposedly going to use a blade...before he was known for using blades.

Sadly, in Brawl there was never any intention to make him with a sword and that taunt is indeed deliberate trolling.

Ganondorf was never planned to use the sword in Melee.
Considering he wasn't planned on until clones were being added.

 

[Morbi]

Both N64 Logo and Gamecube Logo are irrelevant and not recent. Wii U Logo should get in instead.

The relevance argument, give me a break. N64 is more important to Nintendo's history, not to mention recency has nothing to do with it. IT IS ALL ABOUT THE GAMEPLAY!

 

[TumblrFamous]

Guys, I just read an interview that Miyamoto is open to having Wii U HD remakes of games like Sunshine and Galaxy.

IMAGINE.

 

[Arcadenik]

You forgot that his "challenger approaching picture" actually includes his sword. This could be seen as acknowledgment by Sora Ltd. that he is most properly interpreted with his sword. His clone status should have left in Brawl, Sakurai had plenty of time to think of a new move-set. I honestly think he spent more time thinking of how to differentiate Ganondorf from Falcon than it would have taken to just give him his own move-set. Haha.

Remember this?

Ganondorf should have had a sword back in Melee...

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Ganondorf was never planned to use the sword in Melee.
Considering he wasn't planned on until clones were being added.

He didn't even have his sword at the time of Melee,
He had his twin swords in WW
And his sword in TP.

So how did he have a sword in the approaching screen.
Was he just given one?

 

[Deleted member]

Remember this?

Ganondorf should have had a sword back in Melee...

And a short cape.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Do you even Ocarina of Time.

They were yellow. And even then...that dark wave wasn't exactly a physical attack and it clearly didn't do much...

You forgot that his "challenger approaching picture" actually includes his sword. This could be seen as acknowledgment by Sora Ltd. that he is most properly interpreted with his sword. His clone status should have left in Brawl, Sakurai had plenty of time to think of a new move-set. I honestly think he spent more time thinking of how to differentiate Ganondorf from Falcon than it would have taken to just give him his own move-set. Haha.

It is indeed quite clear that it was intended that Sakurai had no major intention of making Ganondorf completely different in Brawl, but then again, that was practically the case with changing up characters in Brawl as a whole. Nobody really felt as if they had changed that much, and even if they got changes, it was usually minor, AKA Mario's FLUDD and new down air and Bowser's new side B. However, now it feels as if changing characters for the better is at the head of importance for this Smash Bros, as we already know characters are changing, especially Bowser and Pit. Even Luigi is getting changes done to him, and we only know a couple of the changes overall. Now is the best time to make Ganondorf his own character and a character true to his series.

 

[Chandeelure]

Guys, I just read an interview that Iwata is open to having Wii U HD remakes of games like Sunshine and Galaxy.

IMAGINE.

I need a remake of a Kirby game!

 

[Morbi]

Guys, I just read an interview that Iwata is open to having Wii U HD remakes of games like Sunshine and Galaxy.

IMAGINE.

Why Galaxy? I hardly think that Galaxy needs it... I am surprised that they are going for the HD Remakes, didn't Wind Waker flop harder than a Jigglypuff on Broadway?

 

[Hotfeet444]

Guys, I just read an interview that Iwata is open to having Wii U HD remakes of games like Sunshine and Galaxy.

IMAGINE.

Sunshine...eh...cool, but it wouldn't be much of a benefit...

Galaxy...THE BEAUTY WILL MAKE YOUR FACE MELT!

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I personally think the Super Mario Galaxy games should not be remade. But I'd love to see a remake of Super Mario Sunshine! I'd get to relive the rage of the secret levels all over again!

 

[Morbi]

They were yellow. And even then...that dark wave wasn't exactly a physical attack and it clearly didn't do much...
.

Really? You don't remember the Warlock Punch in Ocarina? I explicitly remember that his d special was taken straight from the game too!

 

[TumblrFamous]

Why Galaxy? I hardly think that Galaxy needs it... I am surprised that they are going for the HD Remakes, didn't Wind Waker flop harder than a Jigglypuff on Broadway?

It said that Nintendo is open to making HD remakes, but as of right now, it's best if they do remakes with developmental partners.

Oh, and I edited it. It was not Iwata, it was Miyamoto. Still, a game like Galaxy in HD would be incredibly breathtaking.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Guys, I just read an interview that Iwata is open to having Wii U HD remakes of games like Sunshine and Galaxy.

IMAGINE.

I'll just list a couple
Ocarina, Majora, Goldeneye, Banjo, Mario64, Kirby64,
I don't see why Galaxy needs a HD remake.

Also, what do people think of the idea of an HD, online Melee.
With the graphics of WiiU Smash. But with the physics, characters, moves, and stages of Melee.

 

[Arcadenik]

And a short cape.

I support the short cape. This way, I get a nice view of his muscular backside.

I need a remake of a Kirby game!

Kirby's Adventure and Kirby Super Star were already remade.... what else could they remake? Kirby's Dream Land 3?

 

[Morbi]

I support the short cape. This way, I get a nice view of his muscular backside.

That would even further his clone status. Captain Falcon has a really nice backside!

 

[Hotfeet444]

Really? You don't remember the Warlock Punch in Ocarina? I explicitly remember that his d special was taken straight from the game too!

Remember that time Ganondorf walked up to Link and punched him in the face in Ocarina of Time? 8D

What? You don't? Me neither.

 

[MargnetMan23]

Why Galaxy? I hardly think that Galaxy needs it... I am surprised that they are going for the HD Remakes, didn't Wind Waker flop harder than a Jigglypuff on Broadway?

I'm under the impression that WWHD did alright... According to vgchartz (which I doubt is reliable) it has .35 million copies sold... Which isn't that bad by Wii U's current standards (A.K.A anything that isn't named Nintendo Land or New Super Mario Bros U won't break a million)

 

[Gune]

Guys, I just read an interview that Miyamoto is open to having Wii U HD remakes of games like Sunshine and Galaxy.

IMAGINE.

Let me try to imagine that...

 

[CalumG]

Why Galaxy? I hardly think that Galaxy needs it... I am surprised that they are going for the HD Remakes, didn't Wind Waker flop harder than a Jigglypuff on Broadway?

Did it?

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...zelda-wind-waker-hd-hits-shelves-8878783.html

I mean, I've not properly researched the subject, but a quick Google search suggests that Wind Waker HD is currently the best thing to ever happen to the Wii U. Could just be media spin - I've not been keeping up with game news or sales recently.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Well, they were just using examples of Mario games. But in general, they are more open to having more HD remakes as long as they can work with a developmental partner due to them having big new games coming out.

Miyamoto also hinted that it's not the end of the Galaxy series! I'll hyperlink it. It seems to be a stretch as of right now, but all this talk of a possible new Galaxy game in the later years and some HD remakes makes me shiver in excitement.

 

[Frostwraith]

I personally think the Super Mario Galaxy games should not be remade. But I'd love to see a remake of Super Mario Sunshine! I'd get to relive the rage of the secret levels all over again!

The secret levels of Mario Sunshine... What a nightmare.

Who didn't get this song stuck in the head after hours of trying those levels?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

That's the point, he never had it in Smash because it was never given to him, and the other point is that HE SHOULD HAVE THEM! Ganondorf cannot feel like Ganondorf if he doesn't do what he does in his portrayals in various Zelda games.

And yet he does feel like Ganondorf because he is strong and magic.

And he doesn't really use Magic, it's just physical attacks coated in dark energy,

Which is magic. And that's not all. He can electrocute you and create explosions with his heels.

and even through all the years, I've never seen Ganondorf use any kind of purple dark magic to attack of any kind in the 15 years he's been in videogames.

Did you play Ocarina of Time by any chance?

And for the last time, Ganondorf doesn't use brute strength, his strength comes from his magic

Do you play Zelda AT ALL by any chance? Besides why does he have to have actually done this stuff?

and he doesn't go around punching or kicking people

Again, do you play Zelda? Also does Bowser grab people and spin into the air? Does Donkey Kong headbutt people? Does Olimar have the Pikmin chain? Ganondorf's move set is based off the fact that he's magic and really strong. That's why it needs to be kept.

Ganondorf is absolutely nothing like that.

He actually is. Even if you gave him the sword it wouldn't work exactly like it did in the game and would probably be too similar to other characters. And several characters with plenty to work from use stuff they've never actually done.

He didn't create Shockwaves by smashing the floor, he didn't launch balls of dark magic, he didn't shoot out waves of magic after charging it up, he didn't float or fly, he didn't transform.

In Melee or Ocarina of Time?

and considering Ocarina of Time was the only game out with Ganondorf in it at the time, Ganondorf, once again, did NOTHING compared to what he did in actual games.

Not even COMPARED? Wow. I don't think so.

Wasn't the only reason he smashed the floor and smashed the water sage out of existence (It was with an open hand, it wasn't a punch) was thanks to the MAGIC of the Triforce of Power?

Isnt' Zelda's move set thanks to Nayru, Farore, and Din? (again, another character that doesn't actually do what she does in game)

Is there a source that says he wouldn't have been added without cloning? This is the first I've heard of it.

Sakurai said that the time it would take to make King Dedede is the same as it would take to make the 9 clones and he wanted more characters in the game.

 

[Knight Dude]

OK then.

It makes more sense for Ganondorf to use a sword at least a little bit and defintitily more magic, indeed some of his physical attacks are fine still, (specefically all his moves that AREN'T based on one of Capt. Falcon's moves. Except for his D-air, I think that one could stay) and Ganondorf, while obviously is physically strong as you can tell by his appearance, rarely ever uses physical strength in the LoZ. series. In Ocarina of Time he punches the ground, in Wind Waker he sometimes knocks Link or Zelda/Tetra aside with the back of his hand, and in Twilight Princess he has a kick attack. That's about it, he is far more well known for using magic and sometimes a sword.

I think the only other moves similar to Captain Falcon that I would keep is the Down Air, Explosion Kick(since it's a little bit different), and Up-Smash. Most of his other physical attacks would be replaced with some kind of weapon, or even just new kinds punches and kicks.

 

[Arcadenik]

Why Galaxy? I hardly think that Galaxy needs it... I am surprised that they are going for the HD Remakes, didn't Wind Waker flop harder than a Jigglypuff on Broadway?

I support Galaxy HD remakes... but I would like it better if Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 were bundled together in one disc...

Oh! And I would like Super Mario 64 and Sunshine to get HD remakes and bundled together in one disc!!!

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Eh, I'll guess I'll go, every has been skipping over my posts since that whole heavy thing.
That was a stupid idea in retrospect. I have no clue why I made a huge deal out of it.
I'll try to come here again tomorrow.
Check out my MissingNo thread.
Bye!

 

[KingofPhantoms]

The secret levels of Mario Sunshine... What a nightmare.

Who didn't get this song stuck in the head after hours of trying those levels?

I actually didn't get it stuck in my head very often. Mostly because it was filtered out by my frustration and Mario screaming as he fell to his death.

 

[Arcadenik]

Maybe Zelda Ocarina of Time HD and Majora's Mask HD too!!!

Maybe Twilight Princess HD too....