Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[LoneKonWolf]

Why not Batman?

sure, as long as its Japan's version of batman

Spoiler

 

[FlareHabanero]

Funnily, Isaac is called Robin in Japan, and both Robin and Isaac follow similar concepts.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Definitely a coincedence that they both have similar concepts.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Ganondorf like Marth? He'd be big, sluggish, and actually feel like a heavy sword fighter, in both movement and attacking.

Guess he can't be a clone of Captain Falcon because he's big & sluggish.

Not to mention he could use the power of his magic

Like he already does? Also people say Ganondorf using magic would be unique. Well until I say a visual representation as to how it would work, I have reason to believe it'd be incredibly unoriginal.

which is one of the main ways he's shown his might throughout the years.

Not that much. He was never seen with it in Ocarina of Time and the sword represents his might as much as it does Link.

Let's not also forget that Ganondorf was originally intended to use a sword in Smash Bros before it was taken away due to time constraints.

Who told you that? Being the only semi-clone Sakurai could think of was the whole reason he was even included.

 

[Knight Dude]

Funnily, Isaac is called Robin in Japan, and both Robin and Isaac follow similar concepts.

I don't remember Isaac having circus performers for parents. Or being adopted by a rich dude. Wait you meant Fire Emblem right?

 

[Autumn ♫]

So what? I don't see Ness using PSI that way in the game, Bowser scratching people, Luigi using the green missile, Olimar's Pikmin Chain, or Donkey Kong headbutting people. Also Ganondorf doesn't have a trident. Ganon does, but not Ganondorf. That would be like giving Link Deku Flowers. And I honestly fail to see how Ganondorf using his sword could possibly be unique. That wouldn't be nearly unique as his Brawl move set.

EDIT: Ganondorf already uses magic in Smash so I don't know why you listed that.

Ganondorf is Ganon.
His Brawl moveset isn't unique at all

 

[FlareHabanero]

I don't remember Isaac having circus performers for parents. Or being adopted by a rich dude. Wait you meant Fire Emblem right?

I meant more like characters that specialize in both magic and swordplay.

Or if you want to get technical, Isaac uses Psynergy and is inherently a Venus Adapt (specializes in powers relating to the Earth, like plants and rocks)

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

Who told you that? Being the only semi-clone Sakurai could think of was the whole reason he was even included.

Wait, did you just say that Ganondorf was added purely because he'd be a clone? It had NOTHING to do with how important he is to the Zelda series?

 

[Espio264]

Ugh. There's that godawful term again. "Due to time constraints."

I'm gonna go spit on some orphans.

 

[MargnetMan23]

Ganondorf is Ganon.
His Brawl moveset isn't unique at all

But his side special is awesome

 

[TheLastJinjo]

THAT'S who I was going to use to justify G0LD3NL0TUS saying Dr. Kawashima was viable because the game version is a different being. Now I remember

Ganondorf is Ganon.
His Brawl moveset isn't unique at all

Funny. Both of these statements are untrue. Ganondorf is not the Ganon from LTTP and if he was it's a completely different form entirely. And his Brawl move set IS unique.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Not that much. He was never seen with it in Ocarina of Time and the sword represents his might as much as it does Link.


Who told you that? Being the only semi-clone Sakurai could think of was the whole reason he was even included.

Actually, more than after Ocarina of Time, as it was seen in Twilight Princess as well, and his takeover of Hyrule Castle (The barrier being created by his magic, as well as his transformations)

And it's not that nobody told me, it's taking from what was designed ahead of time, namely his art and the way he's usually seen with his sword. It gives the idea that while he was designed to be a Semi-clone, if there was time, he would've ended up wielding his sword. And this is before he was known for being a swordsman too.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Funny. Both of these statements are untrue. Ganondorf is not the Ganon from LTTP and if he was it's a completely different form entirely. And his Brawl move set IS unique.

His Brawl moveset almost the same as C.Falcon, thus not making it unique.
If you played any Zelda games with Ganondorf and Ganon, you would see that they are the same entity.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Actually, more than after Ocarina of Time, as it was seen in Twilight Princess as well, and his takeover of Hyrule Castle (The barrier being created by his magic, as well as his transformations)

Yeah, well a lot of characters use things pretty often and still don't get it in their move set. It's honestly for the best.

And it's not that nobody told me, it's taking from what was designed ahead of time, namely his art and the way he's usually seen with his sword. It gives the idea that while he was designed to be a Semi-clone, if there was time, he would've ended up wielding his sword. And this is before he was known for being a swordsman too.

I seriously doubt it. The sword hadn't existed until the Beta Tech Demo for GCN Zelda so he sure as hell wasn't known for being a swordsman and Sakurai said the time it would take for Dedede was the same as if he just made the 9 clones. So if we gave Ganondorf something he didn't actually have or ever use in a real Zelda game we'd be out of 9 characters. So yeah, that wasn't the plan/

 

[SchAlternate]

Wait, did you just say that Ganondorf was added purely because he'd be a clone? It had NOTHING to do with how important he is to the Zelda series?

As far as I'm concerned he actually was. He was the last clone to added to the game. Though he was also added due to being a popular request, but mostly due to him being a clone.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

His Brawl moveset almost the same as C.Falcon, thus not making it unique.
If you played any Zelda games with Ganondorf and Ganon, you would see that they are the same entity.

Captain Falcon can't make explosions with his foot, choke people, or electrocute them. And if the Ganon in LTTP is not the same entity as the Ganon in Ocarina Of Time or Ganondorf. Ganondorf wasn't even in LTTP. It's like saying we can give Link the Deku Flowers, because he's the same entity. It wouldn't make sense. Nobody would really understand why the human Ganondorf plays like the pig Ganon.

 

[Knight Dude]

I meant more like characters that specialize in both magic and swordplay.

Or if you want to get technical, Isaac uses Psynergy and is inherently a Venus Adapt (specializes in powers relating to the Earth, like plants and rocks)

Yeah, I got ya, I was just messing around. Though I don't know much of FE's Robin. Or Fire Emblem in general, really. I'm still hoping that Isaac would also use certain attacks like Cutting Edge and Planet Diver(I think that's the name anyway).

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Yeah, well a lot of characters use things pretty often and still don't get it in their move set. It's honestly for the best.


I seriously doubt it. The sword hadn't existed until the Beta Tech Demo for GCN Zelda so he sure as hell wasn't known for being a swordsman and Sakurai said the time it would take for Dedede was the same as if he just made the 9 clones. So if we gave Ganondorf something he didn't actually have or ever use in a real Zelda game we'd be out of 9 characters. So yeah, that wasn't the plan/

...Seriously, where DID Ganondorf's Oot sword come from?
I never saw it in Oot itself; only the GCN Zelda demo and Melee...

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[TheLastJinjo]

Wait, did you just say that Ganondorf was added purely because he'd be a clone? It had NOTHING to do with how important he is to the Zelda series?

Again, I didn't say that. I'm saying if he wasn't a clone he wouldn't have been added to the game. Nor would he if he wasn't the main Zelda villain. They work together, but not without each other.

...Seriously, where DID Ganondorf's Oot sword come from?
I never saw it in Oot itself; only the GCN Zelda demo and Melee...

I don't understand why he even kept the sword. It doesn't fit him very well.

 

[SchAlternate]

Captain Falcon can't make explosions with his foot, choke people, or electrocute them. And if the Ganon in LTTP is not the same entity as the Ganon in Ocarina Of Time or Ganondorf. Ganondorf wasn't even in LTTP. It's like saying we can give Link the Deku Flowers, because he's the same entity. It wouldn't make sense. Nobody would really understand why the human Ganondorf plays like the pig Ganon.

inb4 someone mentions the up thrust and down thrust Link has, even though Zelda II's and OoT/TP's Link are separate entities.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Yeah, well a lot of characters use things pretty often and still don't get it in their move set. It's honestly for the best.


I seriously doubt it. The sword hadn't existed until the Beta Tech Demo for GCN Zelda so he sure as hell wasn't known for being a swordsman and Sakurai said the time it would take for Dedede was the same as if he just made the 9 clones. So if we gave Ganondorf something he didn't actually have or ever use in a real Zelda game we'd be out of 9 characters. So yeah, that wasn't the plan/

I don't see how taking away one of Ganondorf's main abilities and powers is "For the best". If anything, it's for the worst. He uses magic, it his main way of showing might other than showing his prowess in a sword fight, giving Ganondorf neither of these isn't the right choice of action, especially since there's very few things Ganondorf has now that are actually something Ganondorf does, namely his Flame Choke and his final smash, everything else is...eeeehhhhh...

And actually no, the sword appeared before then, in a Manga if I'm not mistaken, depicting a battle between Link and Ganondorf, Ganondorf wielding the same sword he's seen with in Melee. And even then, if he wasn't a swordsmen then, he had even less in common with Ganondorf than Brawl Ganondorf, as he literally had NOTHING he used before.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

inb4 someone mentions the up thrust and down thrust Link has, even though Zelda II's and OoT/TP's Link are separate entities.

Yet they are basically the same form unlike Ganon & Ganondorf. So bad example.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Captain Falcon can't make explosions with his foot, choke people, or electrocute them. And if the Ganon in LTTP is not the same entity as the Ganon in Ocarina Of Time or Ganondorf. Ganondorf wasn't even in LTTP. It's like saying we can give Link the Deku Flowers, because he's the same entity. It wouldn't make sense. Nobody would really understand why the human Ganondorf plays like the pig Ganon.

Extremely minor changes don't make a character unique.
Ganon is Ganondorf, there's no way around it. If you gave regular Link the Deku Mask, then yes they'd all be able to use Deku Flowers after learning how to use them.

 

[Arcadenik]

This thread.
It needs less derp and more POSING FOR THE FANS.

I cannot help but notice his pecs and abs are on his back when he poses...

 

[TumblrFamous]

...Seriously, where DID Ganondorf's Oot sword come from?
I never saw it in Oot itself; only the GCN Zelda demo and Melee...

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Nah, the sword was primarily in WW and TP. It'd still be nice to see Ganondorf with a sword, or something to further separate him from Falcon.

As long as he's more athletic, I'll be fine however he turns out.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I don't see how taking away one of Ganondorf's main abilities and powers is "For the best".

Taking away? When did he ever have it Smash?

If anything, it's for the worst. He uses magic, it his main way of showing might other than showing his prowess in a sword fight, giving Ganondorf neither of these isn't the right choice of action

He uses his magic, his brute strength, and his sword is a taunt. He uses all of them. And it's fort the best because it creates a better and more enjoyable move set.

especially since there's very few things Ganondorf has now that are actually something Ganondorf does, namely his Flame Choke and his final smash, everything else is...eeeehhhhh...

Practically every character has tons of moves that they don't actually do or in the way they do in the game so what kind of argument is that? And Ganondorf does choke people.

And actually no, the sword appeared before then, in a Manga if I'm not mistaken, depicting a battle between Link and Ganondorf, Ganondorf wielding the same sword he's seen with in Melee.

So he still wasn't WELL KNOWN for using the sword at all. Obscure Mangas are not video games.

And even then, if he wasn't a swordsmen then, he had even less in common with Ganondorf than Brawl Ganondorf, as he literally had NOTHING he used before.

I laugh at that statement.

 

[SchAlternate]

I don't understand why he even kept the sword. It doesn't fit him very well.

A trident, on the other hand...

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Ganon is Ganondorf, there's no way around it. If you gave regular Link the Deku Mask, then yes they'd all be able to use Deku Flowers after learning how to use them.

But, he doesn't have the Deku Mask, just like Ganondorf is not in his Pig Ganon form. Case Closed.

A trident, on the other hand...

That's even worse...

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I'm back from Disneyland!

Once again, I must ask: Did I miss anything? (that's actually worth mentioning?)

 

[SchAlternate]

That's even worse...

... How come...?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

... How come...?

It totally destroys his physical strength. I want to play as Ganondorf not Krystal.

 

[Knight Dude]

I'm back from Disneyland!

Once again, I must ask: Did I miss anything? (that's actually worth mentioning?)

That depends do you consider people talking about the origins of Ganon using a sword, and what moveset changes he should get interesting?

@Saturn Ganon had the spear since back in the day though. If anything Krystal would be ripping off of him

 

[Autumn ♫]

But, he doesn't have the Deku Mask, just like Ganondorf is not in his Pig Ganon form. Case Closed.

The Link that had the Deku Mask could use it only because he had the Deku Mask. If you gave it to any other Link they'd be able to use it too. If you took the Deku Mask away from that Link he wouldn't be able to use it.

 

[FlareHabanero]

It totally destroys his physical strength. I want to play as Ganondorf not Krystal.

Ironically, Ganondorf rarely shows actual physical strength. In the games he usually specializes in either weaponry, magic, or both.

 

[FinalStarmen]

Captain Falcon can't make explosions with his foot, choke people, or electrocute them. And if the Ganon in LTTP is not the same entity as the Ganon in Ocarina Of Time or Ganondorf. Ganondorf wasn't even in LTTP. It's like saying we can give Link the Deku Flowers, because he's the same entity. It wouldn't make sense. Nobody would really understand why the human Ganondorf plays like the pig Ganon.

Technically, Ganondorf is Ganon, so indeed he does (strictly speaking) make an appearance. In the Downfall Timeline, when Ganondorf entered the Sacred Realm to obtain the Triforce, he transformed the realm into the Dark World, thus also causing Ganondorf to transform into his beast-like monstrous form we know as Ganon.

 

[CalumG]

It totally destroys his physical strength. I want to play as Ganondorf not Krystal.

Ganondorf has only really shown a few displays of raw physical strength - breaking the floor in Ocarina of Time and punching the Water Sage out of existence in Twilight Princess. Brute force should be a part of his moveset but it shouldn't be the only part of his moveset.

Why not all three? Some brute strength moves, some weapon moves (be that dual swords, giant sword, trident or otherwise) and some projectile magic? The problem most people have with Ganondorf's moveset isn't that it's about strength - it's that it's only about strength, rather than showing off his personality accurately. Ganondorf having brute strength moves but not weapon moves or projectile moves is kind of like Ness having baseball bat moves but not having PSI and yo-yo moves - it only accurately represents one part of that character rather than the whole.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Taking away? When did he ever have it Smash?


He uses his magic, his brute strength, and his sword is a taunt. He uses all of them. And it's fort the best because it creates a better and more enjoyable move set.



Practically every character has tons of moves that they don't actually do or in the way they do in the game so what kind of argument is that? And Ganondorf does choke people.


So he still wasn't WELL KNOWN for using the sword at all. Obscure Mangas are not video games.



I laugh at that statement.

That's the point, he never had it in Smash because it was never given to him, and the other point is that HE SHOULD HAVE THEM! Ganondorf cannot feel like Ganondorf if he doesn't do what he does in his portrayals in various Zelda games.

And he doesn't really use Magic, it's just phyiscal attacks coated in dark energy, and even through all the years, I've never seen Ganondorf use any kind of purple dark magic to attack of any kind in the 15 years he's been in videogames. And for the last time, Ganondorf doesn't use brute strength, his strength comes from his magic and he doesn't go around punching or kicking people (Unless you count a few random times in Wind Waker, which was after Melee)

Also, define "Characters have alot of moves they don't use in actual games" aside from punching or kicking because they have to, that's very rarely the case. The other option is that they need to have moves added to them because there's not enough to work off of, but Ganondorf is absolutely nothing like that. And I know Ganondorf chokes people, that's why I said it's one of the few exceptions.

And no, he wasn't, but NOW is a different story, and he should use one, not fully, but in some of his attacks.

And laugh at it all you want, but it's undeniably true. He didn't create Shockwaves by smashing the floor, he didn't launch balls of dark magic, he didn't shoot out waves of magic after charging it up, he didn't float or fly, he didn't transform, and considering Ocarina of Time was the only game out with Ganondorf in it at the time, Ganondorf, once again, did NOTHING compared to what he did in actual games.

Ganondorf has only really shown a few displays of raw physical strength - breaking the floor in Ocarina of Time and punching the Water Sage out of existence in Twilight Princess. Brute force should be a part of his moveset but it shouldn't be the only part of his moveset.

Wasn't the only reason he smashed the floor and smashed the water sage out of existence (It was with an open hand, it wasn't a punch) was thanks to the MAGIC of the Triforce of Power? Besides, two small parts of a series of games he's appeared in really aren't that much.

 

[SchAlternate]

It totally destroys his physical strength. I want to play as Ganondorf not Krystal.

Well, really, Ganondorf was never really depicted with brutal physical strength, being more of a rouge bandit/powerful warlock. And is more commonly seeing using either a weapon or dark magic rather than his fists. Not to say I'm denying he is very strong, but physical strength was not exactly his most defining quality as was his mastery of diverse weapons/magic in general.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

A trident, on the other hand...

This looks like the Cd-I games if they where made after Ganondorf was made.

I've tried posting my roster 2 times before and I didn't get a response
Let's try this again.

 

[Arcadenik]

I am not sure what is the topic now but it seems like people are arguing again...