Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Berserker.]

Just change Ganondorf's goddamn u-tilt, u-special, neutral special and downward special. The end. I'm fine with the rest.

 

[TumblrFamous]

The secret levels of Mario Sunshine... What a nightmare.

Who didn't get this song stuck in the head after hours of trying those levels?

Don't you dare play that devil's music!

 

[TheLastJinjo]

OK then.
It makes more sense for Ganondorf to use a sword at least a little bit and defintitily more magic, indeed some of his physical attacks are fine still, (specefically all his moves that AREN'T based on one of Capt. Falcon's moves. Except for his D-air, I think that one could stay) and Ganondorf, while obviously is physically strong as you can tell by his appearance, rarely ever uses physical strength in the LoZ. series. In Ocarina of Time he punches the ground, in Wind Waker he sometimes knocks Link or Zelda/Tetra aside with the back of his hand, and in Twilight Princess he has a kick attack. That's about it, he is far more well known for using magic and sometimes a sword.

He uses physical strength which is often seen. He uses magic which is always seen. He has the sword as a taunt which is seen a lot. What is the problem??? Do we not have enough swords or something? Smash fans just can't be happy with what Sakurai gives them. Ganondorf's move set is perfect the way it is and its hella more fun then giving a super strong guy a thin sword.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

A Super Mario 64 HD remake would be awesome. I doubt it since it was already remade for the DS years ago with loads of new content though.

Also, does anybody who has played Super Mario Sunshine remember this quote?-

"I'm a chuckster!"

 

[TumblrFamous]

I can't help but feel like this Ganondorf argument is somehow my fault... how do I feel about that?

 

[Morbi]

He uses physical strength which is often seen. He uses magic which is always seen. He has the sword as a taunt which is seen a lot. What is the problem??? Do we not have enough swords or something? Smash fans just can't be happy with what Sakurai gives them. Ganondorf's move set is perfect the way it is and its hella more fun then giving a super strong guy a thin sword.

Although Ganondorf would be pretty unique if they made him like Toon Ganon. 2 swords for the win! I mean the sword argument doesn't really work too well, because don't we already have enough clones in Smash?

I wouldn't mind if it didn't have the sword, I just mind that he doesn't have a lot of unique moves specific to him that help to illustrate his dominance and power!

 

[TheLastJinjo]

So apparently all of the sudden Sakurai is REALLY dedicated to make sure everything in Smash is as true to canon as possible.

Who cares what stuff Ganondorf does more! Mario barely uses his cape or FLUDD anymore! Get rid of it, cuz it's not true to his character! It's not what he does the most in teh games!

 

[Hotfeet444]

Did you play Ocarina of Time by any chance?
Do you play Zelda AT ALL by any chance?
Again, do you play Zelda?

Yeah, this conversation is over as the arrogance is coming out again.

But if you wish for a review on what Ganondorf does...


Ocarina of Time: Magic projectiles, floating/hovering, transformation
Wind Waker: Twin Swords, punches kids, Flips and spins in combat
Twilight Princess: Magic, Magic projectiles, possession, commanding undead, horseback battling, transformations, swordplay, punches a single guy

Smash Bros: Punching and Kicking resembling an F-Zero pilot, no use of overall magic that he is known for using or weaponry.

Ganondorf is nothing like he should be, to say otherwise is ludicrous. Anyways yes, this conversation is over.

Also PS: It's not nice to accuse BluePikmin of asking people if they've played games during debates only to do so yourself, not very nice at all.

 

[Frostwraith]

Also, does anyone who played Super Mario Sunshine remember this quote?-

"I'm a chuckster!"

In one of those infamous secret levels with that music I posted. (To be honest, I wanted to have that music on the Delfino Plaza stage in Brawl.)

 

[Knight Dude]

Mario Sunshine should get a similar treatment to Mario 64 DS. With a bunch of different extras added in. It doesn't have to be new characters or anything. But perhaps new levels? While a really good game, somethings were a bit under used in Sunshine; like the Boost Nozzle and Yoshi. And tweaking the gameplay a little couldn't hurt.

Also, Damn you Chuckster! You know what you did. You'll pay for your sins. Be it by my hands or another!

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

Sakurai said that the time it would take to make King Dedede is the same as it would take to make the 9 clones and he wanted more characters in the game.

That half-answers my question. First I've heard of that quote. Could you link me to it?

 

[Deleted member]

What are you guys talking about?

Ganon's known for great boxing skills!

 

[TumblrFamous]

A Super Mario 64 HD remake would be awesome. I doubt it since it was already remade for the DS years ago with loads of new content though.

Also, does anyone who played Super Mario Sunshine remember this quote?-

"I'm a chuckster!"

Oh no. THAT stage. That one and the Noki Bay secret stage. For some reason, as a child, I hated that Noki Bay secret level.

And I still hate everything about the Pianta Village one. Getting Yoshi, not trying to fall off the underground mushrooms, getting into the pipe, and trying your hardest not to overshoot the throws. A hell of a lot of trial and error.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

He uses physical strength which is often seen. He uses magic which is always seen. He has the sword as a taunt which is seen a lot. What is the problem??? Do we not have enough swords or something? Smash fans just can't be happy with what Sakurai gives them. Ganondorf's move set is perfect the way it is and its hella more fun then giving a super strong guy a thin sword.

He uses physical strength in like one situation for each game he actually has used physical strength, he has used physical strength in a total of three games.

The sword I don't care too much about, but it'd be nice if he used it just a little bit. And he has potential as a magic user, and saying "his moveset is perfect as is" is your opinion.

 

[Frostwraith]

Who cares what stuff Ganondorf does more! Mario barely uses his cape or FLUDD anymore! Get rid of it, cuz it's not true to his character! It's not what he does the most in teh games!

At least, FLUDD and the cape are moves that Mario actually used in his games. The cape is from Super Mario World and FLUDD is from Sunshine. Is this seriously the best argument you can use?

 

[Arcadenik]

What are you guys talking about?

Ganon's known for great boxing skills!

This must be where Sakurai came up with Warlock Punch.

 

[FlareHabanero]

What are you guys talking about?

Ganon's known for great boxing skills!

Still no Little Mac.

 

[SchAlternate]

Do you play Zelda AT ALL by any chance? Besides why does he have to have actually done this stuff?

Again, do you play Zelda? Also does Bowser grab people and spin into the air? Does Donkey Kong headbutt people? Does Olimar have the Pikmin chain? Ganondorf's move set is based off the fact that he's magic and really strong. That's why it needs to be kept.

At least those that had moves in their home series have some of those moves in their moveset. Ganondorf doesn't. He's strong, sure, but more often than not he uses a weapon or magic, not his bare fists.

Besides, if you don't want his current moveset to be drastically from what you (and others) have become used to, just take in mind they'll probably add nothing more than RANGE. If Ganon uses a weapon, his standards will have larger hitboxes (probably with sourspots to make it more balanced). His Warlock Punch could be, instead of a punch, a short burst of dark energy; in other words, a slightly bigger Warlock Punch. You see where I'm getting at?

 

[Knight Dude]

What are you guys talking about?

Ganon's known for great boxing skills!

Do you think he began to laugh at how silly he looked?

 

[Deleted member]

Solution:
Add Black Shadow and give him Ganon's clone moves. Change Ganon up to be more original (but keep some things, such as dat Flame Choke)

Other than upset Goroh fans, this is a win-win.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Yeah, this conversation is over as the arrogance is coming out again.

Then play the games before you spew false bull****.

But if you wish for a review on what Ganondorf does...

Oh, so the conversation isn't over. You're really consistent.

Ocarina of Time: Magic projectiles, floating/hovering, transformation

He punches the floor and is clearly muscular. And you can pretty much connect the floating hovering with his upward B.

Wind Waker: Twin Swords, punches kids, Flips and spins in combat

In Brawl he basically does all of that except the first one. Probably because Sakurai doesn't want his strength wasted for another sword user. You also forgot that he chocked Link.

Twilight Princess: Magic, Magic projectiles, possession, commanding undead, horseback battling, transformations, swordplay, punches a single guy

Don't forget the kicking. Also horseback riding isn't much of a move per say.

Smash Bros: Punching and Kicking resembling an F-Zero pilot, no use of overall magic that he is known for using or weaponry.

Resembling an F-Zero pilot had nothing to do with Smash. He already resembled him. Also Ganondorf is known for using elecricity in Ocarina of Time and Shadow Powers. And his kick resembles him slamming the floor in Ocarina of Time.

Ganondorf is nothing like he should be, to say otherwise is ludicrous. Anyways yes, this conversation is over.

There you go running away when you don't win something. Disagreeing with your false accusations is bull **** because you say so.

Also PS: It's not nice to accuse BluePikmin of asking people if they've played games during debates only to do so yourself, not very nice at all.

BluePikmin bases it off you're disagreement that a character will be in. I base it off of your clear lack of knowledge

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

I'm back from Disneyland!

Once again, I must ask: Did I miss anything? (that's actually worth mentioning?)

In late 2010 I went to a Disney Park for the very first time...Walt Disney World's Magical Kingdom in Florida. It was amazing.
I was one of the last ones to leave the park. XD

I got a medium-sized Stitch plushie and a toy based on the police cruiser he escaped in from the first film.

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Oh, and Ganondorf.
He should keep is Warlock Punch but have the option to release it early as a weak electric projectile. (Dead Man's Volley)

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[TheLastJinjo]

At least, FLUDD and the cape are moves that Mario actually used in his games. The cape is from Super Mario World and FLUDD is from Sunshine. Is this seriously the best argument you can use?

Just like Ganondorf actually punched, kicked, chocked, and electocuted in games. Is that the best argument YOU can use. Give me a break.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

If Ganondorf were to keep some moves, I'd defintitily say they should be Flame Choke, his U-tilt, his S-tilt, his jab, and his F-aerial and maybe his U-Smash. And if he was going to keep any moves that copy one of Capt. Falcon's, I'd choose his D-air.

 

[TumblrFamous]

BluePikmin bases it off you're disagreement that a character will be in. I base it off of your clear lack of knowledge

 

[TheLastJinjo]

At least those that had moves in their home series have some of those moves in their moveset. Ganondorf doesn't.

Are we seriously going over this again. He does all of those things in the game. Who cares what he does more than other things!?'

You guys are driving me nuts.

 

[SchAlternate]

Just like Ganondorf actually punched, kicked, chocked, and electocuted in games. Is that the best argument YOU can use. Give me a break.

At least both the cape or FLUDD were used consistently in those games, whereas Ganondorf barely ever actually punches and or kicks or whatever (compared to how often he uses weapons and or magic).

 

[Frostwraith]

Just like Ganondorf actually punched, kicked, chocked, and electocuted in games. Is that the best argument YOU can use. Give me a break.

Ganondorf has much more to offer than being a tweaked Captain Falcon. That is fact.

Flame Choke is probably the only move that came from a Zelda game, which is when Ganondorf kills the Water Sage. This is one move that could be kept even after the overhaul he needs.

Me and many other Zelda fans want to play as Ganondorf true to his abilities in his series. Being a tweaked Captain Falcon is doing the character and the fans a disservice. This is coming from someone who likes playing as Ganondorf, mind that.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

At least Mario hardly uses the cape and FLUDD, considering how he only used those items in a very small amount of games. Ganondorf on the other hand constantly uses tons of physical attacks in Smash when he hardly uses it in the LoZ series.


Also, where has Ganondorf used electricity?

 

[TumblrFamous]

At least Mario hardly uses the cape and FLUDD, considering how he only used those items in a very small amount of games. Ganondorf on the other hand constantly uses tons of physical attacks in Smash when he hardly uses it in the LoZ series. And where has Ganondorf used electricity?

If I remember correctly, it's only that Dead Man's Volley move. But I could be wrong.

Also, when does he kick?

 

[KingofPhantoms]

If I remember correctly, it's only that Dead Man's Volley move. But I could be wrong.

Also, when does he kick?

In Twilight Princess he has a kick attack. The Darknuts in that game can kick as well.

 

[SchAlternate]

Are we seriously going over this again. He does all of those things in the game. Who cares what he does more than other things!?'

Most of us, actually.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

He did those things in game and it became part of his move set. He's a tough magic guy so that's what his move set is based off of. End of story. If you don't like than get your hopes up that Sakurai changes it to another sword user, but don't get them too high.

Also, where has Ganondorf used electricity?

I'm getting so tired of doing this...

 

[TumblrFamous]

In Twilight Princess he has a kick attack. The Darknuts in that game can kick as well.

He does? I don't remember that. TP is my second favorite Zelda game, I must have played it a hundred times.

 

[Arcadenik]

If I remember correctly, it's only that Dead Man's Volley move. But I could be wrong.

Also, when does he kick?

He kicked his horse just so he could ride away and go after Zelda and Impa... that's when...

 

[Frostwraith]

In Twilight Princess he has a kick attack. The Darknuts in that game can kick as well.

Let's not forget that Twilght Princess came after Melee. In Melee, he had only appeared in Ocarina of Time.

Even his OoT appearance has much that can be worked in a unique moveset, let alone borrowing stuff from Wind Waker and Twilight Princess, as well as some abilities he has as beast Ganon.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Most of us, actually.

Well, Sakurai (who cares very little about canon) most likely doesn't. That's the point I'm trying to get across.

 

[Arcadenik]

He did those things in game and it became part of his move set. He's a tough magic guy so that's what his move set is based off of. End of story. If you don't like than get your hopes up that Sakurai changes it to another sword user, but don't get them too high.

I'm getting so tired of doing this...

I watched this and all I could think about is this...

 

[CalumG]

Well, Sakurai (who cares very little about canon) most likely doesn't. That's the point I'm trying to get across.

Nobody is arguing that Ganondorf's moveset is non-canon - they're arguing that they don't feel it accurately represents his character or personality, and character/personality are two things Sakurai has definitely been shown to care about in the past (for 90% of characters, at least).

 

[Frostwraith]

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I'm getting so tired of doing this...

That is more like Light magic, rather than electricity. The graphic effects are very similar to the Light Arrows.

Oh, and before someone argues that he's evil and wouldn't use Light magic, let me remind you all that Light Is Not Good.