Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Louie G.]

I think the possible Pokémon newcomers are as follows.

S Tier:
Mewtwo

A Tier:
Meowth

B Tier:
Zoroark
Genesect

C Tier and Down:
Everyone Else

I find myself putting a lot of things into tiers lately...

 

[TumblrFamous]

I think the possible Pokémon newcomers are as follows.

S Tier:
Mewtwo

A Tier:
Meowth

B Tier:
Zoroark
Genesect

C Tier and Down:
Everyone Else

I find myself putting a lot of things into tiers lately...

Pretty much. Although I think C Tier is Blaziken, by a large gap between B and C. Then Everyone Else. He has a very minuscule chance.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I think Zoroark should be moved up to A tier.

 

[Louie G.]

I think Zoroark should be moved up to A tier.

Maybe, but I think that any Gen. 5 Pokémon is basically deconfirmed at this point.
It is already confirmed that we will get Gen. 6 content (see Xerneas), so why would Sakurai go backwards?
Gen 5 will end up like Gen 3: Pokeballs, trophies, stickers, but no playable character.
Meowth is extremely important and has been considered in the past, so his chances are better than almost everyone else's.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

In reality, if we did get a newcomer, it would be between him, Zoroark, or Genesect.

I disagree, I don't think Meowth would come before Plusle & Minun, Pichu, or Kalos Trainer.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

In reality, if we did get a newcomer, it would be between him, Zoroark, or Genesect.

Or if Mega Mewtwo or Mega Lucario if they counted as newcomers.

 

[MargnetMan23]

Or if Mega Mewtwo or Mega Lucario if they counted as newcomers.

Well... They don't =P (and I doubt we'd get both Mega Mewtwo or mega Lucario unless they're both final smashes =P)

 

[Mega Bidoof]

I disagree, I don't think Meowth would come before Plusle & Minun, Pichu, or Kalos Trainer.

Before Pichu definitely, maybe before Plusle & Minun if R & S remakes are announced.
And with Kalos Trainer it all depends whether Sakurai wants a new trainer.
Kalos would be my favorite new trainer right in front of May and Gold.

 

[Louie G.]

NEW TIER LIST:

S Tier:
Mewtwo

A Tier:
Meowth
Zoroark
New Trainer

B Tier:
Pichu
Plusle and Minun
Genesect

C Tier:
Blaziken (although may be included with May)
Everyone Else

 

[TumblrFamous]

I disagree, I don't think Meowth would come before Plusle & Minun, Pichu, or Kalos Trainer.

Why? Pichu was cut. Sure Sakurai has had turnarounds, but he legitimately cut Pichu. He replaced Young Link and attempted to bring back the rest. Pichu was ultimately cut. Plusle and Minum and Kalos Trainer... nah.

I think the anime does play a huge part in the selection process for Pokemon. Meowth, being an icon, gained popularity and is still recurring in the anime today, so I think he should have a great chance over others.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

A Tier:
Meowth

I'm afraid Meowth being above Genesect, Zoroark, and most Pokemon is complete a** s***

Or if Mega Mewtwo or Mega Lucario if they counted as newcomers.

Those aren't even going to be interchangeable forms. They'd be Final Smashes. Not to mention that Mega Mewtwo Y is the only logical Mega Evolution we'd get.

Meowth is extremely important and has been considered in the past, so his chances are better than almost everyone else's.

This is also complete Bull ****. Meowth doesn't have a shred of importance outside of the Anime and he's certainly not as beloved as other Pokemon. Meowth being considered for Smash 64 is believable, but not confirmed.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

I like how SaturnGamer just comes on, and just crushes everyone's dreams.
No offense Saturn.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Why? Pichu was cut.

Event that cut character has more importance and popularity in Pokemon than Meowth does. Besides there are so many cooler and unique Pokemon that are more beloved than him anyway.

I like how SaturnGamer just comes on, and just crushes everyone's dreams.
No offense Saturn.

I just really don't see why Meowth is even considered an option. Him being important to the Anime doesn't really put him over Zoroark, Genesect, and others. Realistically Smash 64 was his only chance.

 

[Louie G.]

I'm afraid Meowth being above Genesect, Zoroark, and most Pokemon is complete a** s***

Is Zoroark or Genesect really likely at this point? Meowth has an overall importance to the anime, but the anime is important to Pokémon and even Smash reps.
See Lucario, Pichu, and Jiggs.

doesn't have a shred of importance outside of the Anime

So what?
The anime is still a product of Nintendo, correct? Meowth still qualifies with flying colors.

PS: Zoroark and Genesect are important because of the movies, which is part of the anime, so same case scenario.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Event that cut character has more importance and popularity in Pokemon than Meowth does. Besides there are so many cooler and unique Pokemon that are more beloved than him anyway.


I just really don't see why Meowth is even considered an option. Him being important to the Anime doesn't really put him over Zoroark, Genesect, and others. Realistically Smash 64 was his only chance.

Genesect is more popular now because of the Movie.
And 95% of Pikachu's importance comes from the anime.
Originally Ash was going to have a clefairy as a starter, if this plan went through, Clefairy would probably be in Smash Bros instead of Pikachu.

And also, I don't see a Unova rep very likely considering that in Brawl a Hoenn Pokemon didn't get in because Sinnoh just rolled around.

EDIT: Meowth does have some importance outside of the anime, there was going to be a GC game called Meowth's Party. And he is also heavily featured in some spin-offs. The same games that center around Pikachu.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Is Zoroark or Genesect really likely at this point? Meowth has an overall importance to the anime, but the anime is important to Pokémon and even Smash reps.
See Lucario, Pichu, and Jiggs.

Those characters already had popularity outside the anime and things unrelated to the anime, as well as promotion in games too. Meowth rarely has even the smallest promotion in the games.

EDIT: Except maybe Pokemon Channel and that tech demo of Meowth's Party.

 

[Louie G.]

Those characters already had popularity outside the anime and things unrelated to the anime, as well as promotion in games too. Meowth rarely has even the smallest promotion in the games.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meowth's_Party

 

[TheWhiteBowser]

Wow... I really have no idea what's going on in this thread... Maybe I should check the OP...

 

[TheLastJinjo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meowth's_Party

I know about that, it's basically just a tech demo. This was back when Gen 1 & 2 were the only gens and Meowth had more popularity.

 

[Curious Villager]

You know, I find it quite funny how during gen 5 whenever Zoroark or Genesect were brought up. People were always complaining about how recentness doesn't matter and whatnot. And now when gen 6 came along. People are now saying that Zoroark and Genesect can't get in because their not recent anymore. Poor Zoroark and Genesect, they just can't win can they? :/

 

[Mega Bidoof]

I know about that, it's basiclaly just a tech demo.

But still, he got a tech demo dedicated to him.
And nothing says it wasn't planned to be a full game somehow

 

[Louie G.]

I know about that, it's basiclaly just a tech demo.

But why was this demo given to Meowth?
It could have been given to anyone, but it was given to Meowth, and it was based on the anime.
Pokémon games have lots of anime references.
Meowth's Party, Pokémon Yellow, etc.
The anime is a very important factor in a Pokémon's popularity.
See just about every popular Pokémon out there.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I think the possible Pokémon newcomers are as follows.

S Tier:
Mewtwo

A Tier:
Meowth

B Tier:
Zoroark
Genesect

C Tier and Down:
Everyone Else

I find myself putting a lot of things into tiers lately...

Tiers R 4 Queers.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Event that cut character has more importance and popularity in Pokemon than Meowth does. Besides there are so many cooler and unique Pokemon that are more beloved than him anyway.

I disagree. In the Pokemon franchise as a whole, Pichu has nothing. He was in one movie, and isn't as well-known to non-Pokemon players as Meowth is. Like it or not, Meowth gained good chances and popularity through the anime, which is a factor. Also, "cooler" is rather subjective.

Being in the Anime, being iconic, and being recurring gives him an edge.

 

[BluePikmin11]

You know, I find it quite funny how during gen 5 whenever Zoroark or Genesect were brought up. People were always complaining about how recentness doesn't matter and whatnot. And now when gen 6 came along. People are now saying that Zoroark and Genesect can't get in because their not recent anymore. Poor Zoroark and Genesect, they just can't win can they? :/

By that logic, Gen. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 is dead.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

But still, he got a tech demo dedicated to him.
And nothing says it wasn't planned to be a full game somehow

Again, back when Meowth was more popular and had less Pokemon to compete with in terms of popularity.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Again, back when Meowth was more popular and had less Pokemon to compete with in terms of popularity.

He had Pikachu, Mewtwo, Pichu, and Jigglypuff to compete with.

 

[Bowserlick]

Meowth really does not add much to the game as a character in my opinion. Pichu was popular at the time and an obvious clone choice which was Sakurai's solution to a bigger roster.

Meowth's importance in the video games now seems very minor.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I disagree. In the Pokemon franchise as a whole, Pichu has nothing..

I disagree entirely. He was basically the gen 2 mascot, the baby Pikachu, many anime appearances (including "Pichu Bros.") and he appears in the main games and spin-off games a lot.

I'll admit Meowth does have popularity, but there are much better and likely choices in terms of the other areas of criteria. Pichu was very popular, yet cut for being just another Pikachu. I feel like Meowth is not seen as more than a Pokeball since he lacks move potential and is a dismissive gen 1 Pokemon competing with much hotter Pokemon.

He had Pikachu, Mewtwo, Pichu, and Jigglypuff to compete with.

That's basically what I just said (also the Gen 1 & 2 Starters). He had less to compete with back then. Now he has Lucario, Blaziken, Genesect, Zoroark, plus more.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I find it hilarious that people are actually saying Meowth isn't as popular as he used to be when he's consistently shown to be one of the most famous pokemon of all time, not to mention one of the most recurring. Meowth's popularity lower than it was before? As long as the anime keeps going, Meowth's popularity will never die down.

 

[kingmario92]

SaturnGamer64: He knows how to s*** on peoples' opinions

 

[Knight Dude]

He had Pikachu, Mewtwo, Pichu, and Jigglypuff to compete with.

And don't forget six different starters too.

 

[Louie G.]

I'll admit Meowth does have popularity, but there are much better and likely choices in terms of the other areas of criteria, Lucario not being one of them.

Fixed.
Now I wait.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Does anyone even watch the anime, people keep complaining that it lost quality through the years.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

SaturnGamer64: He knows how to s*** on peoples' opinions

It's a forum. People are gonna **** on opinions all the time. I least I'm being more subtle than XenoBlaze.

 

[Baskerville]

You know, I find it quite funny how during gen 5 whenever Zoroark or Genesect were brought up. People were always complaining about how recentness doesn't matter and whatnot. And now when gen 6 came along. People are now saying that Zoroark and Genesect can't get in because their not recent anymore. Poor Zoroark and Genesect, they just can't win can they? :/

Its like a huge circle of hypocrisy and contradiction.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Does anyone even watch the anime, people keep complaining that it lost quality through the years.

It did lose its quality around the time they went to Hoenn, but I think it's been doing a good job of getting back on its feet as of late. I just fear how it'll portray Team Flare as, since it's basically a kid's show, the main goal of Team Flare will never be fully allowed to be displayed in the anime, so I prepare myself for Lysandre's character to be screwed over.

 

[TumblrFamous]

I disagree entirely. He was basically the gen 2 mascot, the baby Pikachu, many anime appearances (including "Pichu Bros.") and he appears in the main games and spin-off games a lot.

I'll admit Meowth does have popularity, but there are much better and likely choices in terms of the other areas of criteria.

Why does the baby Pikachu make any difference? I'll give you the anime, mascot, and games, but why does being a baby form of Pikachu make a difference. And please don't say "represents the baby Pokemon", that's even more ludicrous than "We need all Gens repped in Smash!"

But I still stand by the fact that Pichu was only added as a last-minute character, and was legitimately cut. I don't think he should return if Sakurai got rid of him.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Despite popularity, I feel that there other areas of criteria taken into consideration for Pokemon newcomers and that Meowth does poorly in these areas. He is very popular, but he's out shined by other potential newcomers for particular reasons.

 

[3Bismyname]

Meowth really does not add much to the game as a character in my opinion. Pichu was popular at the time and an obvious clone choice which was Sakurai's solution to a bigger roster.

Meowth's importance in the video games now seems very minor.

tbf Jigglypuffs importance to the games are pretty minor as well. just saiyan.