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More games will be announced before Ssb4 releases,
With games being announced, priorities change.
For example, before Tropical Freeze was announced, K Rool always had priority over Dixie, but with Dixie coming back, she arguably has more priority.

I'm guessing Majoras Mask HD/3D will be announced soon (if there are making it) Anouma hinted towards it so much recently, and said that if you play Link Between Worlds, you will find out more about what he is doing with Majoras Mask

So assuming MM 3d/HD comes out , or even the new Zelda WiiU is a MM sequel, what impact would that have on Smash.
 

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Define popular. I would hardly call a few people liking Ice Climber before Melee as them being "popular"
 

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Define popular. I would hardly call a few people liking Ice Climber before Melee as them being "popular"
That's not what BKupa said though. He didn't say that every character was popular, or that there will always be support for any given character to be in Smash. He just said that pretty much every character has some sort of fanbase.
 

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Define popular. I would hardly call a few people liking Ice Climber before Melee as them being "popular"
pop·u·lar
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liked, admired, or enjoyed by many people or by a particular person or group.
"she was one of the most popular girls in the school"
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(of cultural activities or products) intended for or suited to the taste, understanding, or means of the general public rather than specialists or intellectuals.
"the popular press"
synonyms: nonspecialist, nontechnical, amateur, lay person's, general, middle-of-the-road; More
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(of a belief or attitude) held by the majority of the general public.
"many adult cats, contrary to popular opinion, dislike milk"
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...in which case you are kidding yourself.
But aren't we all really? I mean, why do any of us even come here? If we had supreme knowledge of what's gonna happen or how Sakurai really thinks, would any of us waste our time sifting through hundreds of thousands of moments of other people's opinions? We come because we don't know. We hope to learn something new and closer to the real thing.
 

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More games will be announced before Ssb4 releases,
With games being announced, priorities change.
False. Sakurai finalizes the roster before Smash begins development and usually stuff afterwards doesn't even get in the game. Hence why there were no references to Wind Waker in Melee or Super Mario Galaxy in Brawl.

That's not what BKupa said though. He didn't say that every character was popular, or that there will always be support for any given character to be in Smash. He just said that pretty much every character has some sort of fanbase.
It is what he said. He never said fanbase. He said degree of popularity.
 

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He never said fanbase. He said degree of popularity.
Okay. Having a degree of popularity still indicates a fanbase, no matter how small it is.

How do you not understand this. Even if there are only two people who like a given character, that character still has a degree of popularity, even if an incredibly tiny one.
 

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Okay. Having a degree of popularity still indicates a fanbase, no matter how small it is.

How do you not understand this. Even if there are only two people who like a given character, that character still has a degree of popularity, even if an incredibly tiny one.
That's not what popular is. Popular means you are widely liked and appreciated. Ice Climbers were not WIDELY liked and appreciated.
 

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That's not what popular is. Popular means you are widely liked and appreciated. Ice Climbers were not WIDELY liked and appreciated.
Again, BKUPA NEVER SAID EVERY CHARACTER IS POPULAR. What he said was:
all characters have had some degree of popularity
Which is true. It does not mean that ever character meets whatever your arbitrary quota for "popularity." Stop putting words in people's mouths.
 

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It looks like you're basically jumping around declaring what counts and what doesn't. Donkey Kong has relations to Mario, so Dixie being in a Mario game should in fact count. And now you're acting like you have to be important to the plot of Donkey Kong to be significant in that game? Since when? And if she is a playable character doing what Donkey Kong is doing she is a protagonist too.

nope

Lol! That is NOT true!

But, he never would have added them if they didn't earn it. Again, you act like they were added for LITERALLY NO reason other than be requested, in which case you are kidding yourself.
Counting? Said who? Is this Sesame Street or something? I merely made the comparison that if being in Mario Sports games is that important for Donkey Kong characters like Dixie, it ought to be equally, if not significantly more important for actual Mario characters, like Waluigi, or maybe Daisy in Her Sports Outfit. And yes, believe it or not, being the main villain to spearhead the events of a game is more important than being an optional selectable character in the game's multiplayer mode. Leave false equivalence in mainstream political media where it belongs. By that "playable = protagonist" logic, Krusha from DK64 is a protagonist, and is significant within the game as a result. Klaptrap, too. Hell, within King of Swing, K. Rool is both the main villain and a protagonist by that logic! Ha!

I'd ask you to back up your 'nuh-uh!'s by listing the non-shock characters who weren't at least moderately popular requests, or the non-Ridley fan favorites who were left out. However, I have a feeling I'd just get comments like "Lucas, Wolf, and Pokemon Trainer weren't popular!" and "Geno was left out!" along with a refusal to believe that, yes, in fact, they were mentioned twice in Sakurai's journal (same number of mentions as Mega Man and K. Rool), popular in America and Japan, and requested in a different form (a playable trainer, not a trainer commanding three playable Pokemon), and that he was only ever backed by a vocal minority, respectively. There are singular exceptions scattered here and there (ZSS, Snake; I neglected them previously), but the number of popular characters added outnumber them by such a wide margin, it's not even funny.

Of course being requested isn't the number one criteria, otherwise we'd have memes like Geno and Reggie playable. That said, most requested characters are also important within their own series, and it's no stretch to say that a character who is both popular and important will outweigh a character who is just important.

EDIT: Read. Ice Climbers are among the shock characters I mentioned above. Game & Watch, ROB, and WFT as well.
 

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False. Sakurai finalizes the roster before Smash begins development and usually stuff afterwards doesn't even get in the game. Hence why there were no references to Wind Waker in Melee or Super Mario Galaxy in Brawl.
Source please.

Also, he works at Nintendo, he knows what is going on before it is announced,
X and Y was announced almost a YEAR after Smash bros started development. And yet there is Xerneas, right there.
He also dated a couple weeks back that deciding on the roster IS a hard descision.
Not WAS, IS.
 

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I disagree entirely. King K. Rool is in NO way a shoe-in. Dixie seems to be more important to the Donkey Kong universe than King K. Rool and not only would many fans prefer her appearance, but she'd be easier to develop too. I wouldn't say King K. Rool being a villian adds to his chances in the slightest as there are so many occasions where he was not the villian. Dixie Kong getting in over King K. Rool is extremely likely regardless of how much move potential K. Rool has.

I know what you're going to say, so I'll argue it before you do. Being a clone won't make Dixie lower priority than King K. Rool. Representing the more deserving character is more important than her move set and she'd only share 3 moves total with Diddy Kong.

-Dixie is somewhat more important, yes.
-Polls tend to show K. Rool dominating Dixie Kong. Dixie has a strong fanbase, but K Rool's fanbase is godlike.
-That's lovely, but he is generally viewed as the villain. Bowser wasn't a "villain" in Mario Kart or etc, but he's still "the Villain." It just adds to the balance of the game.

Clones: it doesn't matter whether their hitboxes are here or there, or if they use tail vs hair, or etc. "She'd only share 3 moves" doesn't make up for the fact that, with the exception of those of us on Smashboards who look at it seriously, she'd "look like" and "seem like" the approximate "same thing" the bulk of the consumer base, the casuals.

When it comes to playstyle, most moves, and etc, Falco and Fox are 100% not clones in Brawl. When it comes down to concept.. they're both laser-firing projectile-deflecting powerful-legged "space animals." A giant, overweight "crazy king" crocodile is absolutely nothing like anything else in the roster, whereas the similarities between Diddy and Dixie are quite extensive, given the context of what differences really can be in the Smash Bros. roster. It doesn't matter whether diddy recovers with a jetpack, or if Dixie recovers with a vine or with her hair or whatever else, because their problem wouldn't be mechanical cloning, it would be conceptual, and what it "seems" like.
 

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-Dixie is somewhat more important, yes.
-Polls tend to show K. Rool dominating Dixie Kong. Dixie has a strong fanbase, but K Rool's fanbase is godlike.
-That's lovely, but he is generally viewed as the villain. Bowser wasn't a "villain" in Mario Kart or etc, but he's still "the Villain." It just adds to the balance of the game.

Clones: it doesn't matter whether their hitboxes are here or there, or if they use tail vs hair, or etc. "She'd only share 3 moves" doesn't make up for the fact that, with the exception of those of us on Smashboards who look at it seriously, she'd "look like" and "seem like" the approximate "same thing" the bulk of the consumer base, the casuals.

When it comes to playstyle, most moves, and etc, Falco and Fox are 100% not clones in Brawl. When it comes down to concept.. they're both laser-firing projectile-deflecting powerful-legged "space animals." A giant, overweight "crazy king" crocodile is absolutely nothing like anything else in the roster, whereas the similarities between Diddy and Dixie are quite extensive, given the context of what differences really can be in the Smash Bros. roster. It doesn't matter whether diddy recovers with a jetpack, or if Dixie recovers with a vine or with her hair or whatever else, because their problem wouldn't be mechanical cloning, it would be conceptual, and what it "seems" like.
I have to agree with you. I think I can relate to Toon Link, how his stature and build as a character makes him feel so different from Link, even though they are considered "semi-clones". As long as you make the clone feel different from who they're cloning, you can get away with it, much like what Wolf and Toon Link did. Ganondorf feels different from Captain Falcon now, even though he sucks...

I'm not doubting Dixie at all in the slightest. But if she is developed, there is a good chance she will feel very much like Diddy. Her feeling like Diddy would make her a clone in my eyes, more of what you said as a conceptual clone, someone who basically feels and plays like the counterpart, despite the differences.

Still want her in the game, but I won't expect her to be 100% unique.
 

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GUYS how do you feel about the possible Party Phil reveal next Friday?


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(wtf how did I even find this?)
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What I want for Dixie Kong is for her to use her helicopter spin as both Up+B and for floating like Peach does. I don't care if the Dixie detractors think she would be a Diddy clone... she might be a Diddy clone but Diddy isn't going to stay in the air for very long... Dixie would have a whole different playstyle from Diddy and it would be because of Dixie's ponytail.
 

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That's a good chunk of the reason I think there's a good chance K. Rool and Dixie both get added this time around: K. Rool would be one of the earlier newcomers chosen, since he's the fan favorite with the original moveset, while Dixie would be one of the later newcomers chosen, due to being a Luigified clone. Other than the people obsessed with Rep Reps, I don't think this is too much to ask for.
 

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Counting? Said who? Is this Sesame Street or something? I merely made the comparison that if being in Mario Sports games is that important for Donkey Kong characters like Dixie, it ought to be equally, if not significantly more important for actual Mario characters
Why? We have all the Mario characters we need and the Mario series is much bigger than the Donkey Kong series.

And yes, believe it or not, being the main villain to spearhead the events of a game is more important than being an optional selectable character in the game's multiplayer mode.
Since when!?!?!? Do you honestly believe Bowser is more important than Luigi too? Do you think Wolf is more priority than Falco? Does this make Zelda less important than Ganondorf? What are you talking about?

By that "playable = protagonist" logic, Krusha from DK64 is a protagonist, and is significant within the game as a result.
That's simply multiplayer and this was just one game.

Hell, within King of Swing, K. Rool is both the main villain and a protagonist by that logic! Ha!
Well, I thought Dixie was playable in Adventure mode. But, the point I was making is that Dixie was less neglected in terms of just being in the Donkey Kong games. I wasn't really referring to their roles.

I'd ask you to back up your 'nuh-uh!'s by listing the non-shock characters who weren't at least moderately popular requests
:popo: :rob: :gw: :roymelee:

Also, having a small following doesn't make you popular. Having a big following makes you popular.


it's no stretch to say that a character who is both popular and important will outweigh a character who is just important.
Not necessarily. But, King K. Rool CAN get in over her because of that. I just wouldn't be too sure about it.
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I am fine with either King K. Rool or Dixie Kong... I just wanted Dixie more because I really liked DKC2 and DKC3 and I thought it would be fun to have Dixie spinning around in Smash like she did in the classic SNES games.
 

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Why not just include both, instead of Dixie over K.Rool?

Definitely not over Ike. There are many strong reasons for him to remain and no legit reason to be left out.
After reading these two sentences, I already like you.
Based on precedent, K. Rool is almost a gimme on a prediction roster, but recency bias (EDIT: and "gut feelings") tends to outweigh critical thinking on occasion. That, and it seems to have become a trend to make 'artistic' rosters, ignoring the 'prediction' aspect of this thread entirely in lieu of expressing oneself, or perhaps making a statement through leaving off likely characters and including random choices instead. I don't get it.
Neither do I. K. Rool IMO is basically to Smash Wii U and 3DS what Wario was to Brawl.
I'd presume people defying conventions is for the sake of trying to be different. To be blunt, I like it when people try to be unorthodox. Seeing every single roster with RODLEH, PALETUNA, KAH RULE, CORN, etc gets tiring after a while.
Basically people who aren't unique trying to be unique, or in other words, all of GameFAQs.

That and all of us know Sakurai is probably looking for an obscure retro character to add as a newcomer, and we're trying to figure out which character it is.
 

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That roster sucks Noah. It doesn't even have the Raft from Zelda II. :rotfl:
Because of some situations I've had to go through (screw the U.S. and it's failure of a safety net,) I'm gonna have to do some "super serious hardcore studying & work."
Eh, I've had to do super serious studying and hardcore work for a while, and I still have time for competitive smash. Of course, having a good sparring partner helps, or having a local smash fest scene.
 

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Better than any other idea you've had Saturn,
If you have nothing to contribute to this thread besides being a douche bag, we'd appreciate that you leave and preferably go **** yourself. You're going around insulting people's intelligence because you don't understand things. You really have no right to do that as you are one of the last people to be considered bright when it comes to predicting characters or basic logic of Smash Brothers anyway.
 

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I'm still disappointed by your lack of Secret Penis Noah!!! :rotfl:
Well a MGS1 HD remake is rumored to be in the works, so it could link to that (for the Wii U), or to the MGS 3D site, or the MGS: The Twins Snake (the MGS1 remake on the GCN) Virtual Console release (if that happens).

Or heck, even the Metal Gear 1/2 Virtual Console page.

Really though, you guys are blowing the "promotional" dealio way out of proportion. Not every character needs such a promotion. Just look at Peach.
 

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Why? We have all the Mario characters we need and the Mario series is much bigger than the Donkey Kong series.

Since when!?!?!? Do you honestly believe Bowser is more important than Luigi too? Do you think Wolf is more priority than Falco? Does this make Zelda less important than Ganondorf? What are you talking about?

That's simply multiplayer and this was just one game.

Well, I thought Dixie was playable in Adventure mode. But, the point I was making is that Dixie was less neglected in terms of just being in the Donkey Kong games. I wasn't really referring to their roles.

:popo: :rob: :gw: :roymelee:

Also, having a small following doesn't make you popular. Having a big following makes you popular.

Not necessarily. But, King K. Rool CAN get in over her because of that. I just wouldn't be too sure about it.
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No character is needed; the term 'need' does not belong in non-juvenile Smash speculation. Diddy is the DK series' equivalent to Luigi, Falco, and Zelda, not Dixie, and yes, he is more important than K. Rool. He, unlike her, never took an 18-year hiatus from the role of playable sidekick.

Why am I not surprised that I specifically ask for the non-shock characters who weren't popular requests (side note, none of the non-shock newcomers had small followings), only for you to go right ahead and choose three of the series' four shock characters? Roy and the other clones are special cases in that they weren't originally planned and were added based on who could become a clone, but even then, Sakurai choosing him based on his guess that 'teh phire' would appeal to fans indicates that audience reception is key in his mind.
 

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If you have nothing to contribute to this thread besides being a douche bag, we'd appreciate that you leave and preferably go **** yourself. You're going around insulting people's intelligence because you don't understand things. You really have no right to do that as you are one of the last people to be considered bright when it comes to predicting characters or basic logic of Smash Brothers anyway.
Is like one other example of when I did one of these actions.
Because besides that Bill Murray you suck thing, I don't remember insulting other people,
Also, can you take a joke?
I'm not looking to make an enemy.
 

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I specifically ask for the non-shock characters who weren't popular requests [/quote]
Are you honestly trying to say that if you are a popular request that people wouldn't be surprised to see, you are confirmed to be over someone else? What?

Is like one other example of when I did one of these actions.
Also, can you take a joke?
You've used this same image for another character you disagreed with and insulted me for using them. You are known for trolling quite a few times.
 

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Obviously, you didn't see my post a few pages back that said I'm done with trolling and I will discuss legitimate things.
 

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I specifically ask for the non-shock characters who weren't popular requests
Are you honestly trying to say that if you are a popular request that people wouldn't be surprised to see, you are confirmed to be over someone else? What?[/quote]

No. I asked you to list out the previous newcomers who weren't popular requests and who weren't intentionally chosen to fill token 'shock' roles. You chose three characters who were intentionally chosen to fill token 'shock' roles, completely disregarding that part of my request.
 

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I quite honestly have started to ask myself why I come back to this thread. Every ****ing day I come in here, "Oh look. SaturnGamer64 started yet another argument over a ****ing video game. SURPRISING."

Let's not forget that we can't talk about things that he can't handle because it's "boring". Well so is Diskun and so are several other characters. Holy crap is this getting old.

Maybe I should just go back to the backroom... I haven't been there for awhile.
 

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Well taking into account the list that was provided by BKupa666, I try to simplify it so we can get a better idea as to what happen to SSBB and is pretty interesting is telling us for which characters Sakurai could go next. Here is the link: http://www.smashboards.com/threads/characters-on-sakurais-poll.71872/

1st Party

Mario Series
Toad (Mario) - Peach B move
Hammer Bros. (Mario) - Assist Trophy in SSBB
Petey Piranha (Mario) - Boss in SSBB
Koopa Troopa (Mario) - Enemy in SSBB
Chain Chomp (Mario)
Blue Virus (Dr. Mario)
Vivian (Paper Mario)
Banker (Mario Paint)

Donkey Kong Series
* Diddy Kong (DK Country) – Confirmed (4 votes)
Diddy & Dixie Kong (DK Country) - Data in SSBB
* King K. Rool (DK Country) (2 votes)

Zelda Series
* Link (Wind Waker) – Confirmed (3 votes)
Ganondorf/Ganon (Legend of Zelda) - Confirmed
Tetra (Wind Waker) - Data in SSBB
Link's Uncle (A Link to the Past)

Kirby Series
* King Dedede (Kirby) – Confirmed (5 votes)
Lolo and Lala (Kirby)
Marx (Kirby Superstar)

Metroid Series
* Ridley (Metroid) - Boss in SSBB (4 votes)
Weavel (Metroid Prime: Hunters)
Sylux (Metroid Prime: Hunters)
Noxus (Metroid Prime: Hunters)

Star Fox Series
Wolf (Star Fox) - Confirmed
* Krystal (Star Fox) (3 votes)
Peppy (Star Fox)
Slippy (Star Fox)

Pokemon Series
Gardevoir (Pokemon) - Pokeball in SSBB
Steven Stone (Pokemon)

Fire Emblem Series
* Ike (Fire Emblem) - Confirmed (4 votes)
* Oguma (Fire Emblem) (2 votes)
Sigurd (Fire Emblem)
Black Knight (Fire Emblem)
Mia (Fire Emblem)
Nabaru (Fire Emblem)
Soren (Fire Emblem)
Jeigan (Fire Emblem)
Sheeda (Fire Emblem)
Maji/Saji (Fire Emblem)

Earthbound / Mother Series
* Lucas (Mother 3) - Confirmed (2 votes)
* Jeff (Earthbound) - Assist Trophy in SSBB (2 votes)
* Claus (Mother 3) (2 votes)
Ninten (Mother)
Paula (Earthbound)
Poo (Earthbound)
Kumatora (Mother 3)

Kid Icarus Series
Palutena (Kid Icarus) - Pit's Final Smash
Medusa (Kid Icarus)
Eggplant Wizard (Kid Icarus)

F-Zero Series
Black Shadow (F-Zero)

Pikmin Series
* Captain Olimar (Pikmin) – Confirmed (3 votes)

Smash Bros Series
Master Hand (Super Smash Bros) - Boss
Crazy Hand (Super Smash Bros) - Boss

Other Nintendo Series
* Villager (Animal Crossing) - Confirmed (2 votes)
Tom Nook (Animal Crossing) - In BG of Smashville stage
* Isaac (Golden Sun) - Assist Trophy in SSBB (2 votes)
Felix (Golden Sun)
Little Mac (Punch-Out!!) - Assist Trophy in SSBB
Dragon Chan (Punch-Out!!)
Dr. Wright (Sim City) - Assist Trophy in SSBB
Infantry (Famicom Wars) - Assist Trophy in SSBB
Jill (Drill Dozer) - Assist Trophy in SSBB
Ray 01 (Custom Robo) - Assist Trophy in SSBB
* Takamaru (Nazo no Murasamejou) (3 votes)
* Lip (Panel de Pon) (2 votes)
Furil (Panel de Pon 2)
* Demille (Tomato Adventure) (2 votes)
Robot Attack (Tomato Adventure)
* Cheer Squad (Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan) (2 votes)
* Professor Kawashima (Brain Age) (2 votes)
* Sukapon (Joy Mecha Fight) (2 votes)
Donbe (Shin Oni ga Shima)
Chibi Robo (Chibi Robo)
Harry (Teleroboxer)
Protagonist (Urban Champion)
Muddy (Mole Mania)
Characters (Detective Club)
Hero/Heroine (Magical Vacation)

3rd Party Series
* Megaman (Megaman) - Confirmed (2 votes)
Colonel Volgin (Metal Gear Solid)
*Geno (Super Mario Bros RPG) (4 votes)
Mallow (Super Mario RPG)
Sora (Kingdom Hearts)
Simon Belmont (Castlevania)
Kalas (Baten Kaitos)
Power Pro (Jikkyo Power Pro Baseball) Konami
G-Red (Gotchaforce) Capcom
Princess Katia (Lost Kingdom) 3rd party
Thomas (Kung-Fu)
Magnus (Ogre Battle) Square Enix
Lupus (Jet Force Gemini)

4th Party Series
James Bond (Goldeneye)

Looking at it we can at least predict who can be a really good contender for the next roster, here are the characters that did have some data in SSBB.
Diddy & Dixie Kong (DK Country) - Data in SSBB
Tetra (Wind Waker) - Data in SSBB

The following list of characters that did get more votes than others.
Ridley (4 votes)
Krystal (3 votes)
Takamaru (3 votes)
Jeff - Assist Trophy in SSBB (2 votes)
Isaac - Assist Trophy in SSBB (2 votes)
King K. Rool (2 votes)
Lip (2 votes)
Claus (2 votes)
Oguma (2 votes) (Fire Emblem)
Demille (2 votes) (Tomato Adventure)
Cheer Squad (2 votes) (Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan)
Professor Kawashima (2 votes) (Brain Age)
Sukapon (2 votes) (Joy Mecha Fight)
Geno (4 votes) (Super Mario Bros RPG)

Lets take a look to the characters that appear as assist trophy, boss or enemy.
Ridley (Metroid) - Boss in SSBB (4 votes)
Jeff (Earthbound) - Assist Trophy in SSBB (2 votes)
Isaac (Golden Sun) - Assist Trophy in SSBB (2 votes)
Petey Piranha (Mario) - Boss in SSBB
Hammer Bros. (Mario) - Assist Trophy in SSBB
Little Mac (Punch-Out!!) - Assist Trophy in SSBB
Dr. Wright (Sim City) - Assist Trophy in SSBB

Infantry (Famicom Wars) - Assist Trophy in SSBB
Jill (Drill Dozer) - Assist Trophy in SSBB
Ray 01 (Custom Robo) - Assist Trophy in SSBB
Gardevoir (Pokemon) - Pokeball in SSBB
Koopa Troopa (Mario) - Enemy in SSBB

Now Characters that did appear but not as a playable character, assist trophy, boss or enemy.
Toad (Mario) - Peach B move
Palutena (Kid Icarus) - Pit's Final Smash
Tom Nook (Animal Crossing) - In BG of Smashville stage

Ok, thats all for the moment, what do you think guys?
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