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That's not what BKupa said though. He didn't say that every character was popular, or that there will always be support for any given character to be in Smash. He just said that pretty much every character has some sort of fanbase.Define popular. I would hardly call a few people liking Ice Climber before Melee as them being "popular"
pop·u·larDefine popular. I would hardly call a few people liking Ice Climber before Melee as them being "popular"
But aren't we all really? I mean, why do any of us even come here? If we had supreme knowledge of what's gonna happen or how Sakurai really thinks, would any of us waste our time sifting through hundreds of thousands of moments of other people's opinions? We come because we don't know. We hope to learn something new and closer to the real thing....in which case you are kidding yourself.
False. Sakurai finalizes the roster before Smash begins development and usually stuff afterwards doesn't even get in the game. Hence why there were no references to Wind Waker in Melee or Super Mario Galaxy in Brawl.More games will be announced before Ssb4 releases,
With games being announced, priorities change.
It is what he said. He never said fanbase. He said degree of popularity.That's not what BKupa said though. He didn't say that every character was popular, or that there will always be support for any given character to be in Smash. He just said that pretty much every character has some sort of fanbase.
Okay. Having a degree of popularity still indicates a fanbase, no matter how small it is.He never said fanbase. He said degree of popularity.
That's not what popular is. Popular means you are widely liked and appreciated. Ice Climbers were not WIDELY liked and appreciated.Okay. Having a degree of popularity still indicates a fanbase, no matter how small it is.
How do you not understand this. Even if there are only two people who like a given character, that character still has a degree of popularity, even if an incredibly tiny one.
He means degree of popularity.That's not what popular is. Popular means you are widely liked and appreciated. Ice Climbers were not WIDELY liked and appreciated.
Again, BKUPA NEVER SAID EVERY CHARACTER IS POPULAR. What he said was:That's not what popular is. Popular means you are widely liked and appreciated. Ice Climbers were not WIDELY liked and appreciated.
Which is true. It does not mean that ever character meets whatever your arbitrary quota for "popularity." Stop putting words in people's mouths.all characters have had some degree of popularity
Counting? Said who? Is this Sesame Street or something? I merely made the comparison that if being in Mario Sports games is that important for Donkey Kong characters like Dixie, it ought to be equally, if not significantly more important for actual Mario characters, like Waluigi, or maybe Daisy in Her Sports Outfit. And yes, believe it or not, being the main villain to spearhead the events of a game is more important than being an optional selectable character in the game's multiplayer mode. Leave false equivalence in mainstream political media where it belongs. By that "playable = protagonist" logic, Krusha from DK64 is a protagonist, and is significant within the game as a result. Klaptrap, too. Hell, within King of Swing, K. Rool is both the main villain and a protagonist by that logic! Ha!It looks like you're basically jumping around declaring what counts and what doesn't. Donkey Kong has relations to Mario, so Dixie being in a Mario game should in fact count. And now you're acting like you have to be important to the plot of Donkey Kong to be significant in that game? Since when? And if she is a playable character doing what Donkey Kong is doing she is a protagonist too.
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Lol! That is NOT true!
But, he never would have added them if they didn't earn it. Again, you act like they were added for LITERALLY NO reason other than be requested, in which case you are kidding yourself.
Source please.False. Sakurai finalizes the roster before Smash begins development and usually stuff afterwards doesn't even get in the game. Hence why there were no references to Wind Waker in Melee or Super Mario Galaxy in Brawl.
I disagree entirely. King K. Rool is in NO way a shoe-in. Dixie seems to be more important to the Donkey Kong universe than King K. Rool and not only would many fans prefer her appearance, but she'd be easier to develop too. I wouldn't say King K. Rool being a villian adds to his chances in the slightest as there are so many occasions where he was not the villian. Dixie Kong getting in over King K. Rool is extremely likely regardless of how much move potential K. Rool has.
I know what you're going to say, so I'll argue it before you do. Being a clone won't make Dixie lower priority than King K. Rool. Representing the more deserving character is more important than her move set and she'd only share 3 moves total with Diddy Kong.
B-but MUH WII FIT TRAINER!Bravo good sir.
Though I wonder with why, so much evidence that points to Sakurai caring about fan requests, people still think he doesn't care.
I have to agree with you. I think I can relate to Toon Link, how his stature and build as a character makes him feel so different from Link, even though they are considered "semi-clones". As long as you make the clone feel different from who they're cloning, you can get away with it, much like what Wolf and Toon Link did. Ganondorf feels different from Captain Falcon now, even though he sucks...-Dixie is somewhat more important, yes.
-Polls tend to show K. Rool dominating Dixie Kong. Dixie has a strong fanbase, but K Rool's fanbase is godlike.
-That's lovely, but he is generally viewed as the villain. Bowser wasn't a "villain" in Mario Kart or etc, but he's still "the Villain." It just adds to the balance of the game.
Clones: it doesn't matter whether their hitboxes are here or there, or if they use tail vs hair, or etc. "She'd only share 3 moves" doesn't make up for the fact that, with the exception of those of us on Smashboards who look at it seriously, she'd "look like" and "seem like" the approximate "same thing" the bulk of the consumer base, the casuals.
When it comes to playstyle, most moves, and etc, Falco and Fox are 100% not clones in Brawl. When it comes down to concept.. they're both laser-firing projectile-deflecting powerful-legged "space animals." A giant, overweight "crazy king" crocodile is absolutely nothing like anything else in the roster, whereas the similarities between Diddy and Dixie are quite extensive, given the context of what differences really can be in the Smash Bros. roster. It doesn't matter whether diddy recovers with a jetpack, or if Dixie recovers with a vine or with her hair or whatever else, because their problem wouldn't be mechanical cloning, it would be conceptual, and what it "seems" like.
Why? We have all the Mario characters we need and the Mario series is much bigger than the Donkey Kong series.Counting? Said who? Is this Sesame Street or something? I merely made the comparison that if being in Mario Sports games is that important for Donkey Kong characters like Dixie, it ought to be equally, if not significantly more important for actual Mario characters
Since when!?!?!? Do you honestly believe Bowser is more important than Luigi too? Do you think Wolf is more priority than Falco? Does this make Zelda less important than Ganondorf? What are you talking about?And yes, believe it or not, being the main villain to spearhead the events of a game is more important than being an optional selectable character in the game's multiplayer mode.
That's simply multiplayer and this was just one game.By that "playable = protagonist" logic, Krusha from DK64 is a protagonist, and is significant within the game as a result.
Well, I thought Dixie was playable in Adventure mode. But, the point I was making is that Dixie was less neglected in terms of just being in the Donkey Kong games. I wasn't really referring to their roles.Hell, within King of Swing, K. Rool is both the main villain and a protagonist by that logic! Ha!
I'd ask you to back up your 'nuh-uh!'s by listing the non-shock characters who weren't at least moderately popular requests
Not necessarily. But, King K. Rool CAN get in over her because of that. I just wouldn't be too sure about it.it's no stretch to say that a character who is both popular and important will outweigh a character who is just important.
Better than any other idea you've had Saturn,I think I'm gonna start from scratch. Here it is, my new roster!
After reading these two sentences, I already like you.Why not just include both, instead of Dixie over K.Rool?
Definitely not over Ike. There are many strong reasons for him to remain and no legit reason to be left out.
Neither do I. K. Rool IMO is basically to Smash Wii U and 3DS what Wario was to Brawl.Based on precedent, K. Rool is almost a gimme on a prediction roster, but recency bias (EDIT: and "gut feelings") tends to outweigh critical thinking on occasion. That, and it seems to have become a trend to make 'artistic' rosters, ignoring the 'prediction' aspect of this thread entirely in lieu of expressing oneself, or perhaps making a statement through leaving off likely characters and including random choices instead. I don't get it.
Basically people who aren't unique trying to be unique, or in other words, all of GameFAQs.I'd presume people defying conventions is for the sake of trying to be different. To be blunt, I like it when people try to be unorthodox. Seeing every single roster with RODLEH, PALETUNA, KAH RULE, CORN, etc gets tiring after a while.
Mortimer, Chip Skylark, Keeby, and Bluster Kong. Best choices ever. The only improvement it needs is that Chrom should be cut so you can add Chrom.I think I'm gonna start from scratch. Here it is, my new roster!
Hi guys wha- whatI think I'm gonna start from scratch. Here it is, my new roster!
Eh, I've had to do super serious studying and hardcore work for a while, and I still have time for competitive smash. Of course, having a good sparring partner helps, or having a local smash fest scene.Because of some situations I've had to go through (screw the U.S. and it's failure of a safety net,) I'm gonna have to do some "super serious hardcore studying & work."
If you have nothing to contribute to this thread besides being a douche bag, we'd appreciate that you leave and preferably go **** yourself. You're going around insulting people's intelligence because you don't understand things. You really have no right to do that as you are one of the last people to be considered bright when it comes to predicting characters or basic logic of Smash Brothers anyway.Better than any other idea you've had Saturn,
Well a MGS1 HD remake is rumored to be in the works, so it could link to that (for the Wii U), or to the MGS 3D site, or the MGS: The Twins Snake (the MGS1 remake on the GCN) Virtual Console release (if that happens).Pikmin & Olimar: Want to know more about Pikmin? Visit the official website for Pikmin 3!
Luigi: Want to know more about Luigi? Visit the official website for Mario & Luigi: Dream Team.
Toon Link: Want to know more about Toon Link? Visit the official website for The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD!
Sonic: Want to know more about Sonic the Hedgehog? Visit the official website for Sonic Lost World!
Snake: Want to know more about Snake? Visit the official website for Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain!
[/quote]Why? We have all the Mario characters we need and the Mario series is much bigger than the Donkey Kong series.
Since when!?!?!? Do you honestly believe Bowser is more important than Luigi too? Do you think Wolf is more priority than Falco? Does this make Zelda less important than Ganondorf? What are you talking about?
That's simply multiplayer and this was just one game.
Well, I thought Dixie was playable in Adventure mode. But, the point I was making is that Dixie was less neglected in terms of just being in the Donkey Kong games. I wasn't really referring to their roles.
Also, having a small following doesn't make you popular. Having a big following makes you popular.
Not necessarily. But, King K. Rool CAN get in over her because of that. I just wouldn't be too sure about it.
Is like one other example of when I did one of these actions.If you have nothing to contribute to this thread besides being a douche bag, we'd appreciate that you leave and preferably go **** yourself. You're going around insulting people's intelligence because you don't understand things. You really have no right to do that as you are one of the last people to be considered bright when it comes to predicting characters or basic logic of Smash Brothers anyway.
You've used this same image for another character you disagreed with and insulted me for using them. You are known for trolling quite a few times.Is like one other example of when I did one of these actions.
Also, can you take a joke?
No Magcargo automatically causes this to become an irrelevant heap of cow dung.I think I'm gonna start from scratch. Here it is, my new roster!
Are you honestly trying to say that if you are a popular request that people wouldn't be surprised to see, you are confirmed to be over someone else? What?[/quote]I specifically ask for the non-shock characters who weren't popular requests
I'll tell you when you're older.What's in the back room? sounds confidential yet fun.
A place where less stupid people go to get away from the flock. You know, kind of like how parents go to Las Vegas to get away from their children.What's in the back room? sounds confidential yet fun.