Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[BluePikmin11]

I don't think he was making a serious move set, dude.

But then wouldn't have easily came up with the idea for attacks for Tom Nook.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

As i've said before, Tom Nook is only ok for me if his Final Smash is "Crippling Debt".

Off Topic, but I have a Lvl 70 Moltres if anybody has a Yveltal they'd like to give Old Man Jones over here .

As long as it isn't named "Fat Fuzzy D" like one I got in a Wonder Trade earlier.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Why do you hate Animal Crossing in particular?

Will you just shut up! I don't hate Animal Crossing! I've played Animal Crossing. Just because I'm sane enough to know that 2 Animal Crossing reps makes literally no sense in the slightest due to us having Villager in particular doesn't mean I hate anyone or haven't played anything.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

There's plenty of characters from the series that have plenty of moveset potential.

Now I love Animal Crossing, but besides Villager I can only think of Tom Nook and Mr. Resetti.
Are there any other characters you are referring to in perticular?

 

[SuperBrawler]

Sakurai should replace Ness with Ninten.... all Sakurai has to do is rename Ness "Ninten".

Speaking of. Ninten I'd love him in.

They could redesign to make him better.

 

[BluePikmin11]

A: He does not have any potential
B: None of this changes the fact that you're about as pointless as a second Mr. Game & Watch. You can have all of these features and still be a character that simply doesn't work at all.

So furniture, debt, and possibly raccoon-Mario powers is something you seen before?
I don't think so.

 

[Lasifer]

As i've said before, Tom Nook is only ok for me if his Final Smash is "Crippling Debt".

Off Topic, but I have a Lvl 70 Moltres if anybody has a Yveltal they'd like to give Old Man Jones over here .

As long as it isn't named "Fat Fuzzy D" like one I got in a Wonder Trade earlier.

You can talk to a guy in Camphirer Town or whatever Pokemon Center and he'll rename your Pokemon for you.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Now I love Animal Crossing, but besides Villager I can only think of Tom Nook and Mr. Resetti.
Are there any other characters you are referring to in perticular?

There's K.K. Slider and Crazy Redd, but Villager, Tom Nook, and Mr. Resetti basically sums up the AC franchise's best characters.

 

[EddyBearr]

Moveset potential is scarcely an issue, IMO. Sakurai does a good enough job with making unique movesets for odd characters. And while the Villager does have a large amount of AC moves, but that doesn't even break the surface of AC moveset potential.


A move I would like to see Tom Nook do is called Debt. Any projectile, whether it be PK, Din's Fire, Bob-ombs, can be stored as bells in Tom Nook's pocket. Then, when he has three projectiles, he can throw the "debt" right at an opponent as a close-range move. Think of G&W's Down B.

That's a decent special idea, but the problem with characters like Tom Nook, Tingle, and Toad (characters which are simply iconic and have never been known to be much of a "fighter" or "doer") is you have to take ideas like that, which tbh are pretty gimmicky and not very much like a fighter, and make it their entire moveset. Beyond that, Villager already pockets attacks, so it's getting repetitive

AC has good moveset potential, but the only option with any real personal connection to these things is villager, as villager is the only one that's ever been a "doer" in the series, even mild fighting (whacking villagers with nets. )

Yeah pretty good point, but it was something I could easily think of at the top of my head.

Same with my corn flakes example. Same with Diskun "Spinning around." It's just really lacking meaning, whereas almost all characters have something (non-special) relating to them personally, and basically all do for specials.

This lack of personal movesets is also why I'm kinda doubting R.O.B.s fit as a Smasher. Unlike some other characters that lack huge amounts of personal moves, like Bowser, R.O.B. isn't nearly as popular, iconic, or etc.

Sakurai could make Tom Nook swing his tail and fly like Tanooki Mario (I don't want another Mario) and transform into statues (the same statues from New Leaf AND Statue Mario)...

Swing his tail applies evenly to anything with tails, so there's nothing unique/personal there, and extrapolating Tanooki mario abilities onto Tom Nook has nothing to do with Tom Nook.

WFT has never hit you with a yoga position outside of Smash....

In fact, how does anything in the Villager's moveset represent him? He never hits a person with a slingshot, or buries them. But he uses tools that represents who he is. Tom Nook can use furniture, debt, and maybe his tail for attacks.

WFT has never hit you with Yoga, but WFT has always been a "doer." She did things, and these things that she did were very easy to translate into attacks. That's why WFT works.

Villager's moveset represent him because he's been known to use basically all his items. The slight jump of "chopping a tree onto person" as opposed to just "chopping a tree" is nothing in comparison to "Throwing furniture at you" from "being around furniture." He has been known to smack villagers with nets, catching them was a tiny change.

Again, just because he theoretically can and it kinda relates to him, doesn't mean it automatically translate into a fitting fighting style.

So furniture, debt, and possibly raccoon-Mario powers is something you seen before?
I don't think so.

We've also never seen corn flakes getting thrown, or getting crushed by a cereal box, but I don't think you can say that gives a box of corn flakes any meaningful moveset potential.

Tanooki has nothing to do with Tom Nook, and Tom Nook has never been known to attack you with furniture. Debt is the only decent idea, but it's so gimmicky. Heck, even boxes of cereal have been known to spill and fall down sometimes, giving the box of cornflakes moveset more personal meaning than Tom Nook's options.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Will you just shut up! I don't hate Animal Crossing! I've played Animal Crossing. Just because I'm sane enough to know that 2 Animal Crossing reps makes literally no sense in the slightest due to us having Villager in particular doesn't mean I hate anyone or haven't played anything.

Well, why isn't is likely? I'm not second guessing or infuriating you, I actually want to know why you find it unlikely.

 

[Lasifer]

Speaking of. Ninten I'd love him in.

They could redesign to make him better.

Ninten should be a costume for Ness, at best. The only unique move he has is PK Beam, I'd much rather see a rework of Ness and Lucas rather than a new PK user. If we get a new rep for EarthBound at all, it's going to be Porky or maybe Flint.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

So furniture, debt, and possibly raccoon-Mario powers is something you seen before?
I don't think so.

I haven't seen a character that ****s on your face either, but that doesn't define it as "potential." Tom Nook is more pointless than having Krystal. It makes the roster and representation unbalanced and the move set suggested doesn't fit.

 

[Starphoenix]

Villager is fine as the sole character from Animal Crossing. His moveset plays upon most of the prevailing themes of the game, and he's the main character. Besides, considering Sakurai was dead set against him and only up until now had a change of heart doesn't indicate to me he's going to go crazy even though certain oddball characters are playable now.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Swing his tail applies evenly to anything with tails, so there's nothing unique/personal there, and extrapolating Tanooki mario abilities onto Tom Nook has nothing to do with Tom Nook.

Villager's Balloon Fighter recovery had nothing to do with Villager either. He never did that in-game. Giving Tom Nook tanooki powers is a pretty nifty idea that could possibly be implemented into Tom Nook in SSB4.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

You can talk to a guy in Camphirer Town or whatever Pokemon Center and he'll rename your Pokemon for you.

The Pokemon that I got wasn't an Yveltal, it was some random thing. It was funny. I kinda wish I had kept it so I could cherish it for all eternity.

 

[TumblrFamous]

WFT has never hit you with Yoga, but WFT has always been a "doer." She did things, and these things that she did were very easy to translate into attacks. That's why WFT works.

Villager's moveset represent him because he's been known to use basically all his items. The slight jump of "chopping a tree onto person" as opposed to just "chopping a tree" is nothing in comparison to "Throwing furniture at you" from "being around furniture." He has been known to smack villagers with nets, catching them was a tiny change.

Again, just because he theoretically can and it kinda relates to him, doesn't mean it automatically translate into a fitting fighting style.

I can see what you're saying, and I respect your opinion. I just think differently, but you have good points regarding Tom Nook. I'm not at all saying he's likely, but I can say that he could work, if Sakurai put his mind to it.

 

[Lasifer]

I still don't understand why people want Ninten when he brings nothing new to the table (aside from PK Beam) that Ness or Lucas can't have. People do know Ness was purposefully designed to look like Ninten so that players would connect with a character they've played as before, right?

 

[EddyBearr]

Villager's Balloon Fighter recovery had nothing to do with Villager either. He never did that in-game. Giving Tom Nook tanooki powers is a pretty nifty idea that could possibly be implemented into Tom Nook in SSB4.

Why don't we just have Tanooki mario then?

Things being held up by balloons isn't new to Animal Crossing, and Balloon Fighter was in Animal Crossing. The homeage to Balloon Fighter is a pretty cool reference, but an entire character shouldn't be defined on stealing something else's thunder because they're "kinda similar."

I can see what you're saying, and I respect your opinion. I just think differently, but you have good points regarding Tom Nook. I'm not at all saying he's likely, but I can say that he could work, if Sakurai put his mind to it.

Certainly. Many things can work, but why bend something so it can work, when you can just go with... Krystal, who translates much easier and has more potential. Krystal, of course, has problems of her own, mostly due to the franchise she comes with, though, so she'd be lucky to get in.

 

[Lasifer]

I can see what you're saying, and I respect your opinion. I just think differently, but you have good points regarding Tom Nook. I'm not at all saying he's likely, but I can say that he could work, if Sakurai put his mind to it.

Tom Nook saw that letter fall on the ground, boy. He knows what's up. He's coming after that Villager dude and bringing bells back to town with him.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Well, why isn't is likely?

Villager is basically "Mr. Animal Crossing". His move set is based off all of the important things you do in the series. That's the whole reason he was seen as a viable fighter in the first place. Why would Sakurai pick the game's avatar if he was already going to pick a real character from the game? It's like adding Mr. Game & Watch and then adding the Wolf from "Egg". It doesn't make any sense because Mr. Game & Watch already does all the stuff from Game & Watch games and thus represents the series perfectly just like Villager does. Tom Nook having his own move set is also an invalid excuse, because characters like Lucas, Falco, Toon Link, and Ganondorf didn't get THEIR own move sets. They were cloned so why wouldn't Tom Nook be?

Tom Nook and Villager didn't have their own unique abilities so Villager had to be given the abilities of the game itself, thus he represents the entirety of the game making it pointless to have another character, and anything left out is represented through stages, trophies, items, etc. I don't care if he's iconic (which he isn't that much especially compared to Villager himself.). It's 100% Pointless and there is no way he'd be prioritized over the other Nintendo characters.

This completely overrides the whole "He's iconic and AC deserves 2 reps" crap. I must have posted this same paragraph 100 times to BluePikmin11. I might as well save it in Microsoft Word so I can just copy and paste the 101st time.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Why don't we just have Tanooki mario then?

Things being held up by balloons isn't new to Animal Crossing, and Balloon Fighter was in Animal Crossing. The homeage to Balloon Fighter is a pretty cool reference, but an entire character shouldn't be defined on stealing something else's thunder because they're "kinda similar.".

You know what I was thinking now, having Tanooki Mario would kinda make sense to me. As SMB3 is one of the most critically acclaimed Mario game of all time, so why not?

 

[Arcadenik]

I feel like EddyBearr's logic is just about broken as his teddy bear.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

why not?

Because being iconic and having the ability to fight just overrides everything doesn't it?

 

[Starphoenix]

That's a decent special idea, but the problem with characters like Tom Nook, Tingle, and Toad (characters which are simply iconic and have never been known to be much of a "fighter" or "doer") is you have to take ideas like that, which tbh are pretty gimmicky and not very much like a fighter, and make it their entire moveset. Beyond that, Villager already pockets attacks, so it's getting repetitive

I'm not sure it's fair to throw Toad into your argument when there has been two games -- about to be three -- where he has done the exact same baddie bashing as the Mario Bros.

 

[Arcadenik]

Tanooki Mario? **** that ****... I would rather have Tom Nook if we have to have a tanuki character.

 

[Lasifer]

You know what I was thinking now, having Tanooki Mario would kinda make sense to me. As SMB3 is one of the most critically acclaimed Mario game of all time, so why not?

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[Scoliosis Jones]

Your reaction:

We get the male Wii Fit Trainer as a second character from the Wii Fit Series. Ridley doesn't get in the game

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Villager's Balloon Fighter recovery had nothing to do with Villager either. He never did that in-game. Giving Tom Nook tanooki powers is a pretty nifty idea that could possibly be implemented into Tom Nook in SSB4.

 

[SuperBrawler]

Your reaction:

We get the male Wii Fit Trainer as a second character from the Wii Fit Series. Ridley doesn't get in the game

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

Did I seriously just see TANOOKI MARIO brought up? Dear lord...

 

[BluePikmin11]

Your reaction:

We get the male Wii Fit Trainer as a second character from the Wii Fit Series. Ridley doesn't get in the game

Eh meh.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

We get the male Wii Fit Trainer as a second character

Wii Fit is iconic so why not? Since being iconic and having a move set overrides everything.

 

[SuperBrawler]

Wii Fit is iconic so why not? Since being iconic and having a move set overrides everything.

Make Fit Trainer would be the literal exact same thing as Wii fit trainer.

 

[Arcadenik]

I'm not sure it's fair to throw Toad into your argument when there has been two games -- about to be three -- where he has done the exact same baddie bashing as the Mario Bros.

Four games...

Super Mario Bros. 2
New Super Mario Bros. Wii
New Super Mario Bros. U
Super Mario 3D World

That said, it is unlikely that Mario and Luigi are going to start throwing iceballs and flying with propeller blocks and whatnot... so why not Toad use the power-ups as specials that Mario, Luigi, and Peach are not going to use in Smash? I always liked the idea of Toad using different mushrooms from several Mario games as part of his moveset... a mushroom retainer using mushrooms to fight...

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Make Fit Trainer would be the literal exact same thing as Wii fit trainer.

Doesn't matter, Wii Fit is iconic. So it gots to have 2 characters!

 

[Arcadenik]

Doesn't matter, Wii Fit is iconic.

It is interesting to note that Wii Fit Trainer does not say "Female Wii Fit Trainer" or "Wii Fit Trainer " so it is unlikely that we would get "Male Wii Fit Trainer" or "Wii Fit Trainer ".

 

[EddyBearr]

I feel like EddyBearr's logic is just about broken as his teddy bear.

You just broke my heart. I'd like to ask for some assistance from you in fixing both my logic and my heart.
In other words, if you think my logic is off, please correct me. I don't like the prospect of being illogical.

In true words...

I'm not sure it's fair to throw Toad into your argument when there has been two games -- about to be three -- where he has done the exact same baddie bashing as the Mario Bros.

The problem is, Toad's roles in those games could just as easily be filled by anything else. The only thing toad does in these games is "jump, move, and use items." None of these translate into Toad as a smash fighter.

On the contrary, I'd say that since even Toad was able to use the items in these new mario games, then these items in these new mario games are great additions to Smash, since anyone can use them.

Tanooki Mario? **** that ****... I would rather have Tom Nook if we have to have a tanuki character.

Same for me, but Tanooki Mario would be far more fitting for the moveset. With that said, I think both are extremely unlikely.

Doesn't matter, Wii Fit is iconic. So it gots to have 2 characters!

Fight the patriarchy!!

 

[TheLastJinjo]

It is interesting to note that Wii Fit Trainer does not say "Female Wii Fit Trainer" or "Wii Fit Trainer " so it is unlikely that we would get "Male Wii Fit Trainer" or "Wii Fit Trainer ".

I was being sarcastic.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Doesn't matter, Wii Fit is iconic. So it gots to have 2 characters!

Not wanting to be rude, but you making these catty, ****** comments is kinda immature. I suggest you zip it, and let people have opinions.

Everyone has odd predictions. Diskun, Dry Bowser, and Ninten are pretty odd. My Ashley is pretty odd. There's no harm in thinking any character can get in as long as they make sense.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Not wanting to be rude, but you making these catty, *****y comments is kinda immature. I suggest you zip it, and let people have opinions.

I'm making a point how this excuse you guys use is invalid when used for other characters. Don't complain that I of all people am making sarcastic remarks about illogical points constantly being used by many to disregard major flaws in characters. It's not personally directed at you, it's directed at the invalid excuse itself.