Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Louie G.]

Yeah... KI's finished.

"I'M FINISHED!"
I'm sorry, it was very necessary.

 

[Deleted member]

I AM talking about popularity, he's the second most popular Pokemon of all time.

Stop saying something you CANNOT PROVE.
Your only basis is the IGN poll, which is not an end-all source as a popularity contest.


Is Mewtwo popular? Yes. Quite so.
Is Mewtwo the 2nd most popular Pokémon in existence? No one ****ing knows.


Now if you excuse me, I have to continue my long essay of an argument with Bajef.

 

[BluePikmin11]

So you guys don't want more KI games? Seriously? I do expect a future for the series.

 

[Bowserlick]

Of course, people ignore gameplay discussions.

I question if you people even play Super Smash Bros. As in, actually play it.

Start a gameplay discussion, ya hack.

 

[N3ON]

People always seem to come in to the thread and ask what's going on when something unbelievably ridiculous is going on.

That's because something unbelievably ridiculous is always going on.

The future KI games don't need to be made by Sakurai, it could be made from different studios.
Then Hades popularity could rise, people would want him in SSB5.

It's not the best idea to base your roster off a hypothetical that has a fairly decent chance of not happening.

Edit: this thread needs more Prince Sable discussion.

He could work, but he's unlikely and there are better choices out there. No one talks about him because few people care about him, and most know he's not gonna make it in.

I just wanna state now, that I am no longer a troll, and will provide legitimate posts on discussions.
So basically what I'm trying to say is that there is no need to skip over my posts anymore.

Fantastic. Won't stop the cops from pulling you over on occasion, you are a past offender after all.

 

[EddyBearr]

The future KI games don't need be made by Sakurai, it could be made from different studios.
Then Hades popularity could rise, people would want him in SSB5

Hypothetical situations are infinite. Sakurai has no intention in doing anymore KI, and there's no evidence [as far as I know] that anyone else wants to do more KI. There's almost no incentive for more than 2 Kid Icarus characters, and tbh I think getting a second is being quite hopeful.

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The obvious choice is Palutena, but I really have to ask: What would Palutena even do as a character?

 

[Louie G.]

So you guys don't want more KI games? Seriously?

I absolutely LOVED Kid Icarus Uprising. Like I adore the game.
It's not that I don't want it, it's that I don't THINK they will make another, unless Nintendo decides to without Sakurai, who had the idea in the first place.
So I would love another game, but I don't know.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Stop saying something you CANNOT PROVE.
Your only basis is the IGN poll, which is not an end-all source as a popularity contest.


Is Mewtwo popular? Yes. Quite so.
Is Mewtwo the 2nd most popular Pokémon in existence? No one ****ing knows.


Now if you excuse me, I have to continue my long essay of an argument with Bajef.

Fine then, he's the second most popular pokemon IN AMERICA, and 7th in Japan...better?

 

[Chandeelure]

For the complete series, here are a few:
Zelda
Kirby
Star Fox

And a few that can be complete after Smash 4:
DK (King K. Rool and Dixie)
Kid Icarus (Palutena)
Metroid (Ridley)

And for the record, Mario can never truly be complete. Too many characters.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Start a gameplay discussion, ya hack.

I did, I was talking about how Lip would play. Something about a combo based system that would create benefits in some sort of fashion from preforming successful strings of attacks, to reflect the nature of the Panel de Pon games. Also being able to manipulate plants and flowers, along with general magical powers. Maybe have attacks based on the magical girl archetype.

 

[SuperBrawler]

Fine then, he's the second most popular pokemon IN AMERICA, and 7th in Japan...better?

 

[N3ON]

Of course, people ignore gameplay discussions.

I question if you people even play Super Smash Bros. As in, actually play it.

This place isn't for gameplay discussions anyway.

The obvious choice is Palutena, but I really have to ask: What would Palutena even do as a character?

The stuff she did in her boss battle? Use centurions? Have original moves made up like many of the characters?
Moveset potential really isn't a problem for her.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I wouldn't really consider Super Paper Mario a spin-off from the rest of the games. At least it kept the leveling system up.

I'm probably going to try to come up with Paper Mario moveset soon.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Well I find Prince Sable the most unique out of all retros who could have actual reliance on transformations.

 

[FlareHabanero]

This place isn't for gameplay discussions anyway.

Then why the hell do we want these characters anyway? You can't rely on having a pretty face, you need substance and justifications.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Hypothetical situations are infinite. Sakurai has no intention in doing anymore KI, and there's no evidence [as far as I know] that anyone else wants to do more KI. There's almost no incentive for more than 2 Kid Icarus characters, and tbh I think getting a second is being quite hopeful.

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The obvious choice is Palutena, but I really have to ask: What would Palutena even do as a character?

Probably the reason why I rarely do a SSB5 roster, hypothetical stuations are infinite. The only hypothetical here is Hades though.

 

[Arcanir]

Fine then, he's the second most popular pokemon IN AMERICA, and 7th in Japan...better?

Not really since the IGN poll is not the best source for popularity considering the flaws in the system. Mewtwo is definitely popular, but we can't say for certain where his position among the Pokémon lands.

 

[EddyBearr]

The stuff she did in her boss battle? Use centurions? Have original moves made up like many of the characters?
Moveset potential really isn't a problem for her.

Just feels like there might be a lot of overlap with Zelda.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I did, I was talking about how Lip would play. Something about a combo based system that would create benefits in some sort of fashion from preforming successful strings of attacks, to reflect the nature of the Panel de Pon games. Also being able to manipulate plants and flowers, along with general magical powers. Maybe have attacks based on the magical girl archetype.

That's what you mean by gameplay discussion, well I already designed everything for my predictions.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

So you guys don't want more KI games? Seriously? I do expect a future for the series.

KI Uprising is one of the best 3ds titles to date. Right up there with Fire Emblem and Pokemon X and Y. I think Sakurai reedy abolished it as a series and it is now a series that spiritually belongs to Sakurai. In the Smash Bros. E3 trailer it even considered KI as a main Nintedo series, beating Yoshi, which shows Sakurai cares for KI, and doesn't want to see it fade away.

 

[Johnknight1]

Not really, the follow-up was announced earlier to Brawl than Brawl was to Melee, and keeping with the one-per-generation tradition, this one was also announced the year before the system even came out.

Well clearly Smash wasn't much of a priority, because if it was, development for it would have begun about 2 years sooner to be a Wii U release period title (like Pikmin 3).

Yeah, and look at all the companies (including Sega) that don't seem to want to be bought out atm.

Every company has a price. Just look at Nokia, or Cellular, or Anheuser Busch.

That's true, I'm just guessing Capcom will be dumb like usual.

Does that mean that you are going to setup a inside job mafia for Capcom as well=???

Nothing, but that's assuming both Microsoft sees no value in it and another company does, both of which we have no proof on. Just because they aren't doing anything with it now doesn't mean they wouldn't necessarily want to hold on to it.

Like I said, if they don't see any value for it and someone is willing to buy it, the IP could be sold.

Like I said, everything has a price, even if it is not for sale.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

So you guys don't want more KI games? Seriously? I do expect a future for the series.

KI will get another game...








In 25 years or so.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Not really since the IGN poll is not the best source for popularity considering the flaws in the system. Mewtwo is definitely popular, but we can't say for certain where his position among the Pokémon lands.

Well we North Americans suffer from the problem of not doing things like this that often, so until we decide to actually get up off our butts and do something, it's all I got. Japan's is legit though.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

The obvious choice is Palutena, but I really have to ask: What would Palutena even do as a character?

I see her as a cross between Zelda, Pit, and some of her own original moves.

 

[Starphoenix]

Fine then, he's the second most popular pokemon IN AMERICA, and 7th in Japan...better?

There is something in statistics known as a "Voluntary Response Bias", which is a fancy way of saying that polls conducted asking for viewer response are usually the least reliable because those that respond are usually a vocal and emotionally invested minority, not indicative of a random sample. In this case, those that responded to the IGN poll are part of a marginal subset that do not adequately represent the population, or even those that visit the website. Couple that with the fact that participants were allowed to vote multiple times in 1-to-1 match ups that were shuffled around, and you have a recipe for extraordinarily unreliable results when you start spreading them beyond the scope of IGN. While I don't doubt Mewtwo is popular, there is truly no way to gauge how much because you'd automatically have to assume most of the people you'd select for a random sample even know or care about the Pokémon series.

 

[Arcanir]

Well we North Americans suffer from the problem of not doing things like this that often, so until we decide to actually get up off our butts and do something, it's all I got. Japan's is legit though.

Just because it's the only thing we got doesn't mean it's a reliable measure for how exactly popular one is. Remember, the system was already flawed as Starphoenix has highlighted and it also had a glitch that affected how much one Pokémon could show up so it easily could be more varied in where some Pokémon positions are.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

"I'M FINISHED!"
I'm sorry, it was very necessary.

Fun fact: While battling him one time, he actually said that when I knocked him off the stage.

 

[BKupa666]

I'm just going to throw this out there because it is really beginning to bug me: but can we please stop throwing around contrived notions of "popularity" as a basis for who is and is not likely? I would have thought by now this community would stop resorting to such arbitrary barometers. If we wanted to talk about the ability of a character to resonate with the general public, well that would be an interesting discussion in light of Villager and Wii Fit Trainer, but trying to return to "well he/she isn't that popular" is just... So 2012.

So long as the distinctions can be drawn between characters who have legitimately massive backings (the Mega Mans, the Mewtwos, etc.) and the rest who may have a few scattered fans, popularity is a reasonable way to evaluate likelihood, because it's so clearly taking into consideration with much of the roster, with very few, specifically-chosen exceptions.

 

[Johnknight1]

I'm just going to throw this out there because it is really beginning to bug me: but can we please stop throwing around contrived notions of "popularity" as a basis for who is and is not likely? I would have thought by now this community would stop resorting to such arbitrary barometers. If we wanted to talk about the ability of a character to resonate with the general public, well that would be an interesting discussion in light of Villager and Wii Fit Trainer, but trying to return to "well he/she isn't that popular" is just... So 2012.

Actually the Villager and the Wii Fit Trainer are terrible examples, because they are from very popular series, and thus have some of that popularity rub off on them. Granted, it's popularity outside of the smash fan base in regards to smash, but it is popularity nonetheless.

Still, like I always say, popularity and importance gets you considered, but uniqueness and gameplay-related stuff gets you playable.

 

[N3ON]

Then why the hell do we want these characters anyway? You can't rely on having a pretty face, you need substance and justifications.

I'm sorry, do all the other threads, including character specific threads and gameplay threads not exist? I mean, this thread is rarely on topic anyway, I'm just saying this isn't the place for gameplay, there are other places for that. I don't really care, making a big deal every time this thread goes off topic would be madness inducing, and gameplay is at least Smash-related, but that's a pretty big jump from me just saying this isn't the purpose of the thread, which was all I was saying.

 

[Bowserlick]

I did, I was talking about how Lip would play. Something about a combo based system that would create benefits in some sort of fashion from preforming successful strings of attacks, to reflect the nature of the Panel de Pon games. Also being able to manipulate plants and flowers, along with general magical powers. Maybe have attacks based on the magical girl archetype.

I didn't play the game, but I think a block special strategy to control space could fit the game.

B: In a flurry of flower petals, Lip creates a block that remains on the ground or falls to the ground and then lights up.

Toward B: Lip thrusts her glowing wand in front of her or turns around and thrusts. If there is a block, it flies in that direction until it goes off the screen.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

I'm just throwing this out there before I leave, people must remember that Sakurai can't build characters souly off of combos and tricks, a lot of not very competitive gamers (like me for example) will be buying the game. An for a lot of people, that's one character gone to waste.
To this day I can't play as Jigglypuff or Ice Climbers because I don't know how to work all their tricks and I get killed instantly.

Also, Smash is a game for Nintendos greatest Stars (and one obscure character) and I don't think that Lip, or Wonder Red, count as All Stars.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Again, popularity is at least a phase for consideration, other factors come in like balance and diversity to see if the character can fit in and preform well. In cases, the latter will override the former if it means introducing something new, which is why we have gotten a fair amount of unorthodox choices like Mr. Game & Watch and Wii Fit Trainer.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Just because it's the only thing we got doesn't mean it's a reliable measure for how exactly popular one is. Remember, the system was already flawed as Starphoenix has highlighted and it also had a glitch that affected how much one Pokémon could show up so it easily could be more varied in where some Pokémon positions are.

Well then I'll just go by the Japanese poll then...Arceus is the most popular, Darkrai is second, Deoxys is third, Pikachu is fourth, Meowth is fifth, Eevee is sixth, Mewtwo is seventh, and Lucario is around #27 or #32...

 

[Johnknight1]

Of course, people ignore gameplay discussions.

I question if you people even play Super Smash Bros. As in, actually play it.

Welcome to my world.

I've put in a few thousand hours into each smash game, and I'm stuck often debating with people who sound like they don't even know what smash is.

I honestly think sometimes I'm right, because people don't seem to understand what works and what doesn't work in regards to moveset, and where unique playstyles, skillsets, and movesets come from or function like. All of those factors play huge roles in what the final roster will actually be.

I'm sorry, do all the other threads, including character specific threads and gameplay threads not exist? I mean, this thread is rarely on topic anyway, I'm just saying this isn't the place for gameplay, there are other places for that. I don't really care, making a big deal every time this thread goes off topic would be madness inducing, and gameplay is at least Smash-related, but that's a pretty big jump from me just saying this isn't the purpose of the thread, which was all I was saying.

Basically gameplay should only be talked about if you can link it to character selection.

(like what I just did in the previous part of my post)

 

[BluePikmin11]

Personally I would pick either K. Rool or Ridley on the SSB4. Having two of them in the SSB4 roster, and we ran out of the most notably popular characters requested for SSB5. The hype would slightly go down.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

My roster prediction; don't think I can make it any better.






















For those who care, my wishlist:

Pokemon Explanation/Idea:

I think the best way to represent the Pokemon franchise is to have two trainers with three pokemon from older and newer generations. So I thought the best/most fitting of each were Totodile, Grovyle, Charizard and Chespin, Dewott, Infernape. Also, I think the costumes of each trainer should show female/male costumes of all trainers from their generations. So the "Old" Trainer gets male+female costumes from Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow to Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald, and the "New" Trainer gets male+female costumes from Pokemon Diamond/Pearl to Pokemon X/Y.

Either that, or one trainer with 6 Pokemon that can be picked in 3s to whatever liking but obeying the "1st evo -> 2nd evo -> 3rd evo rule. This character would have all the male and female costumes from all the games.

Where'd you get that sweet Mewtwo icon?

 

[Johnknight1]

Again, popularity is at least a phase for consideration, other factors come in like balance and diversity to see if the character can fit in and preform well. In cases, the latter will override the former if it means introducing something new, which is why we have gotten a fair amount of unorthodox choices like Mr. Game & Watch and Wii Fit Trainer.

To be fair, both characters are popularity outside of smash (well Game & Watch in past tense at least). Both franchises have sold over 40 million copies.

Which is funny, because we all overlooked the Wii Fit Trainer despite her being the main character of the best-selling Nintendo franchise made in the post-Brawl era (well, technically it started before Brawl was released in Japan, but only by a few weeks).

 

[BKupa666]

There's also that most popular characters tend to be unique enough already...it's one of the reasons they have fans to begin with. Then, when Sakurai wants to seek out the one or two characters no one cares about, he has the freedom to choose them solely on the basis of uniqueness so they mesh with the already-unique popular characters on the roster. It's the part of his criteria where the character has to 'mesh' with the others around them.

 

[N3ON]

Just feels like there might be a lot of overlap with Zelda.

That's a bit of "too many sword wielders" logic.

Well clearly Smash wasn't much of a priority, because if it was, development for it would have begun about 2 years sooner to be a Wii U release period title (like Pikmin 3).

Development of it began almost immediately after Uprising development finished, that was Nintendo's priority first, to support the 3DS before supporting the Wii U. It's not like they allowed Sakurai much of a break between titles or anything.

And Pikmin 3 started development as a Wii title, that's partially why it was intended to be ready at launch. Same with W101. And Game & Wario used already established minigames designed to showcase the Wii U, similar to how NSMBU used an already established team and resources, as well as the relative ease of developing NSMB games. Nintendo Land was the only one developed for the Wii U first and foremost with little overlap from elsewhere, but once again, it was just a collection of minigames.

Every company has a price. Just look at Nokia, or Cellular, or Anheuser Busch.

Right, but it's a price Nintendo doesn't even seem interested in paying atm.

Does that mean that you are going to setup a inside job mafia for Capcom as well=???

Considering they're about as dumb as the last town, perhaps I will.

Like I said, if they don't see any value for it and someone is willing to buy it, the IP could be sold.
Like I said, everything has a price, even if it is not for sale.

Yeah, but generic truths aren't really enough to provide evidence for your fairly unsubstantiated claims. Sure it could happen, obviously, but there's little indication it would.