Roster Discussion Thread (Closed)

[3Bismyname]

Aww, I love Clu Clu Land as well. Bubbles is adorable. It would be nice if she makes an appearance somehow.

Bubbles is a girl . huh learn something new everyday

 

[Johnknight1]

As much as people take it for granted, I still feel as though Takamaru would be a perfectly fine addition to the roster. It would be like adding a new flavor to an old twist, so to speak.

Takamaru isn't under the radar to most of us, though, especially in Japan. Sakurai already helped his "stock" because he's said positive things about him and about possibly being playable in Smash Bros. Nintendo Land helped that exposure even more with that Nintendo Land mini-game.

Hurrr durr he wasn't in Jungle Beat. Hurrr durrr he would be a Donkey Kong clone. Hurrr durr durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr... Stupid monkey can't fight. Hurrr durrrrrrrr

Those where some times.

Yep, those days were funny times.

 

[Croph]

Sure, I'd take an AT. Anything really. I mean we do have the sea urchin item...But no Bubbles anywhere

 

[Johnknight1]

We got a Bubbles trophy, and he/she/it/he-shes/shim/hshes was considered as a potential playable character for Melee. So, if Bubbles was an AT, it wouldn't be totally surprising.

Hurrrr durrrrrrrr DK's just Mario series anyways...... Duuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.....

I'm surprised we're not getting as much of that stuff for K.Rool.

We have gotten that about K. Rool. There's some moron who hates on K. Rool all over GameFAQs, apparently because he's old, and old is lame, and because he wasn't in DKC Returns. That same guy made a poll whether or not all these characters should get in or K. Rool (like 4 characters or just 1 K. Rool), and still 90% of people voted for K. Rool. He got so mad!

 

[Swamp Sensei]

We have gotten that about K. Rool. There's some moron who hates on K. Rool all over GameFAQs, apparently because he's old, and old is lame, and because he wasn't in DKC Returns. That same guy made a poll whether or not all these characters should get in or K. Rool (like 4 characters or just 1 K. Rool), and still 90% of people voted for K. Rool. He got so mad!

XD

You cannot stop the might of the Kutthroats with puny polls.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

before their introduction in Smash Capt Falcon was the only one who maybe had any proof of fighting cause of thecomic. but realize that nothing in that comic was used for his moveset. literally nothing from that was used.

Regardless, he can still fight.

The villagers can't. That list would be better if Villager was taken out for a Golden Sun and Sin & Punishment. It is would at least be more realistic (also given the fact we would already then have the generic character, the Mii, and wouldn't need another). Thus we add to the characters that can FIGHT.

 

[3Bismyname]

Regardless, he can still fight.

The villagers can't. That list would be better if Villager was taken out for a Golden Sun and Sin & Punishment. It is would at least be more realistic (also given the fact we would already then have the generic character, the Mii, and wouldn't need another). Thus we add to the characters that can FIGHT.

not even gonna address the fact that Fox couldn't before he was added to Smash. alright then. let's just agree to disagree.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

We have gotten that about K. Rool. There's some moron who hates on K. Rool all over GameFAQs, apparently because he's old, and old is lame, and because he wasn't in DKC Returns. That same guy made a poll whether or not all these characters should get in or K. Rool (like 4 characters or just 1 K. Rool), and still 90% of people voted for K. Rool. He got so mad!

Source. Sounds hilarious to read.

Something I just realized: Luigi wasn't in Super Mario 64, yet he managed to make it into the original SSB. Just something I though was worth pointing out.

 

[TheCreator]

Ok an animal crossing playable character will not be present. There's no use arguing over it. If it were going to happen, it'd have happened in brawl. Now, as far as new series go...I see Little Mac. Shulk. And that's probably it.

 

[3Bismyname]

Ok an animal crossing playable character will not be present. There's no use arguing over it. If it were going to happen, it'd have happened in brawl. Now, as far as new series go...I see Little Mac. Shulk. And that's probably it.

sounds about right. anymore is kinda unneeded imo. i personally would love a Battalion/Advance/Famicon wars character though

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

not even gonna address the fact that Fox couldn't before he was added to Smash. alright then. let's just agree to disagree.

Ok then, but I would say it still applies to the profession

 

[Swamp Sensei]

sounds about right. anymore is kinda unneeded imo.

Isaac?

 

[3Bismyname]

sorry i just dont really see it happening. but i would welcome him if he was in. that's more about how i feel he kinda missed the boat in Brawl

 

[Croph]

It's going to be a tough race...that's for sure. You can't please everyone, although I hope they try... Squeeze as much in as possible!

 

[W1nedown]

Please for the love of god no more toon characters and where is Ghirahim, (Zelda series)

 

[Swamp Sensei]

sorry i just dont really see it happening. but i would welcome him if he was in. that's more about how i feel he kinda missed the boat in Brawl

Don't apologize. You make a good point. I just think Isaac still has a chance.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

We play as characters, not franchises. The question is not "which franchise should get playable characters" but "which characters DESERVES to be playable in smash bros?"

We judge that question with how important said characters are (to their respective franchises [such as being the main character], and possibly Nintendo or gaming history), whether said characters bring something new to the table, what new things said character possibly brings to the table, how said characters balance out the roster, and above all else, how much said character makes people want to play the forthcoming game when they are announced, and how much they keep wanting people to play them years and years to come.

Characters like Isa and Matthew/Isaac do deserve to be playable. Not only for their movesets but for the facts their series are important to Nintendo (not the super most important and not selling like the Top 6, but they are there).

-Both are main characters
-Both series will continue (it especially seems like Golden Sun really will since it is not the start of the main story as the developers would put it, plus S&P3 could move the series forward)
-Matthew/Isaac brings a sword user that knows magic (Psyenergy). The likes of Marth, Link, etc come close but they don't necessarily have the same kind of magic (which the GS character depend on and use for most of their moveset, the other characters don't).
-Isa brings in the gun-sword, making him an all around character.
-They balance out by offering something new, new styles than go with other characters' styles. Diversfying the roster and their moves.
-I would especially see people playing as them to try out their fighting styles. They will click for some for sure.
-As for keeping them, Matthew appears to be the character to take the reigns head on when the Golden Sun series continues. The same thing could apply to Isa when the series continues.

 

[3Bismyname]

Don't apologize. You make a good point. I just think Isaac still has a chance.

and in the past we only saw 1 or 2 new franchises added. Melee added Fire Emblem (and Dr Mario if you consider that its own franchise). Brawl added Pikmin and Warioware. so to me i just feel like expanding the roster into new franchises isnt that big of a priority to Sakurai unless he really liked them. though to be fair, a lot of the established franchises dont have as much to expand into as they used to.

 

[N3ON]

3. I can agree on this. But I want to say one thing, we can't considered anything Sakurai says as final unless he is showing the game while he does or is presenting it in a Nintendo Direct/E3 Conference (where he has to say what is actually happening).

Yeah, things Sakurai says can change, but it's usually smarter to go by the higher probability.

4. 70 is too much, sure. But it is not like a lot of people are realistically thinking that. I still believe 45-48 is the right number.

Of course 70 is too much, that wasn't the point, it was just an example of something totally unrealistic. The point was that even without concrete information things, such as that example, can still be realistic or unrealistic, which you disagreed with. We don't always need to have Sakurai specifically state something to know if likely/unlikely to happen.

6. That would have been interesting to see. How exactly did it go down?

Lots of arguing over whether Toad was still relevant enough (this was back when he wasn't making as many appearances as he has lately), lots of arguing over whether generic Toads count towards Toad's chances, lots of arguing over the fact that Toad is a species hampering his chances. Mostly arguments over Toad really.

But yeah, there was also arguments over who is the most important/likely/popular (much like FE), whether Waluigi's appearances (being relegated to spin-offs) would keep him out, whether Bowser Jr was still as important as he used to be, whether Daisy, Rosalina, Baby Bros, etc. were close to the level of the other 4, and the typical dumb Geno arguments. You really don't want to see the arguments more than once.

I think he's secretly (not secretly to us) a great troll, and enjoys his job as a troll. It's like he's leading the idiots astray so us intellergent people can debate in peace here.

You're on to something, only a troll would complain about people over-analyzing his twitter and claim he was going to stop talking about Smash, then tweet something Smash-related the next day.

Of course, if I was in Sakurai's position, I'd probably be trolling just as much as he is, if not more. Every statement I'd release would be cryptic, with multiple interpretations, and hinting at something that wouldn't actually end up in the game.

Even Sakurai can only hold back the idiots from coming here for so long though.

They wouldn't necessarily be surprising, but they would be nice additions. At this point in time with all of the "big names" previously playable (except for Dixie, K. Rool, and a few 3rd party characters), there are few surprises left that speculators like us haven't mentioned as a potential possibility.

Yeah, of course they'd be cool characters, personally Shulk is one of my most wanted, but to speculators they probably wouldn't be too surprising. I'd agree that there don't seem to be many possible surprises left for those knowledgeable about Nintendo and Smash, but I'm guessing we'll get at least one character very rarely brought up seriously here or not expected by very many people. Sakurai is tricky.

If Meta Knight is "out there," then comparatively the long-forgotten Dixie Kong and the (Brawl aside) irrelevant Saki are "out there." Now if we want to get further "out there," the characters you list here fit that label IMO.

Not being a casual, I'm not exactly sure who is "out there" to casuals, but I would still classify Meta-Knight above Dixie and Saki, though I'd guess all three wouldn't be too well known by casuals, especially Saki, unless those casuals are specifically fans of Kirby or DK.

I don't think most non-internet speculating folks expect Ridley or even Little Mac, though.

Could very well be. I was just going by characters that get brought up a lot elsewhere in Smash discussion on less reputable places, but that still doesn't really give an accurate representation of who the casual would expect, you're right. I don't really know any casual Smash speculators though, so I was just guessing who they'd expect, or at least know.

I still think people would be surprised to see said Pokémon confirmed so fast.

Yeah, they probably would be, but the bandwagons would form almost immediately after a feasible Pokemon was shown. It'd be crazy.

Sometimes bandwagoning is illogical though, and many dismiss bandwagon characters, so if it did get confirmed in the trailer, I'd agree many would be caught off guard. I'm not saying one will be (if anything I think a 6th gen would be unlockable), but due to the promotion the Pokemon would receive, plus the inevitable fanbase, it wouldn't be too "out there". At least not as much as ZSS or Snake.

I missed that part I guess. Sorry, my mind is kinda "wooooh" feeling as I still have the flu, so my mind is working kinda funny, lol.

Haha that's fine. I skim posts on here more than I'd like to admit.

Back on topic, how about Bubbles from Clu-Clu Land=??? Not just is that out of the blue, it makes no sense!

I think she'd definitely be "out there". Despite what Sakurai thinks, with her swinging, bouncing and shockwaves, I think she could work.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Melee added:

Fire Emblem
Game & Watch
Ice Climber

Brawl added:

Pikmin
Kid Icarus
Wario Ware
Gyromite
Sonic
Metal Gear Solid

I guess you don't count Retro's and third parties?

 

[3Bismyname]

Melee added:

Fire Emblem
Game & Watch
Ice Climber

Brawl added:

Pikmin
Kid Icarus
Wario Ware
Gyromite
Sonic
Metal Gear Solid

I guess you don't count Retro's and third parties?

i did say new franchises so yeah i wasn't acknowledging retro cause that's a whole different league. and yeah i was thinking more about the 1st and 2nd party's cause yeah 3rd party's are again an entirely different argument

 

[Swamp Sensei]

i did say new franchises so yeah i wasn't acknowledging retro cause that's a whole different league. and yeah i was thinking more about the 1st and 2nd party's cause yeah 3rd party's are again an entirely different argument

I guess. But since Sakurai is running out of characters spaces for main series, I wouldn't be surprised if we got three new series.

 

[Johnknight1]

You cannot stop the might of the Kutthroats with puny polls.

Yep. And eventually, intelligence wins out in these kind of things.

Source. Sounds hilarious to read.

Something I just realized: Luigi wasn't in Super Mario 64, yet he managed to make it into the original SSB. Just something I though was worth pointing out.

I don't have the link bro. It wasn't funny enough for me to save, like some other things I have. Like this (the loser's final of some small scale tournament), which is without a doubt THE GREATEST MOMENT IN COMPETITIVE BRAWL HISTORY!!! Seriously, if you didn't love that video, your life sucks, and I hate you.

Characters like Isa and Matthew/Isaac do deserve to be playable. Not only for their movesets but for the facts their series are important to Nintendo (not the super most important and not selling like the Top 6, but they are there).

1. I agree with you on Isaac. Matthew is basically a downgraded Isaac, especially since Isaac grew DAT BEARD OF LEGENDS!!! Still, Smash WiiU/3DS' timing for him is bad.
2. Matthew is very unpopular, especially given his game was easily worse than the two classics that are the first two Golden Sun games.
3. Isa is Saki's son, right=??? If so, why not just have the bigger and more well-known Saki=???
4. See, it's a lot better when you leave the franchises out of it. It makes your points flow smoother, and it makes the character choices about what matters: the characters.

 

[3Bismyname]

I guess. But since Sakurai is running out of characters spaces for main series, I wouldn't be surprised if we got three new series.

very true. but i still feel any new franchises from Nintendo's first and second parties should really be notable. with Punch Out being the most obvious to me and i've more or less just warmed up to the idea of Shulk being playable. i'd rather see like 5 revamped retro characters than a bunch of c-list protagonists. but i doubt that would happen.

 

[Starphoenix]

@N3ON: I know I promised to respond to our original discussion, but honestly some of the other posters touched upon what I wanted to anywats. Since the topic has passed I'll just let it be.

Well everyone, I think it's about time I take my leave once again. College work is starting to pick up, requiring more of my time be spent towards academia. I've had a lot of fun over this winter break talking to everyone about the new games and information. Hard to believe in a little under five months we'll finally see the first look at the next Super Smash Bros. Almost three years worth of speculation and writing (on my part) will culminate in this moment to be.

Shoutout to my peeps: Chrono, Chu, Kuma, Tri, Golden, Kupa, N3ON, Horsetail, Oasis, Habanero, John, Diddy, Pichu, Luco, Opossum, Holder, Arcadenik, to anyone else I may be forgetting, and all of the new people I have yet to know. I'll see most of you all come E3. Later.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Yeah, things Sakurai says can change, but it's usually smarter to go by the higher probability.

Of course 70 is too much, that wasn't the point, it was just an example of something totally unrealistic. The point was that even without concrete information things, such as that example, can still be realistic or unrealistic, which you disagreed with. We don't always need to have Sakurai specifically state something to know if likely/unlikely to happen.

Well sure, but it doesn't mean we can't hope and actually believe it could happen.

And yes we don't need him to state something to be able to speculate. As for the likely and unlikely things, there are quite of quite a lot of ideas being classified into each category. For some of them, it makes sense. For other no so much.

But even so, lets keep on speculating and have both agreements and disagreements on everything. If that didn't happen, this community wouldn't be as fun.

 

[N3ON]

@N3ON: I know I promised to respond to our original discussion, but honestly some of the other posters touched upon what I wanted to anywats. Since the topic has passed I'll just let it be.

Well everyone, I think it's about time I take my leave once again. College work is starting to pick up, requiring more of my time be spent towards academia. I've had a lot of fun over this winter break talking to everyone about the new games and information. Hard to believe in a little under five months we'll finally see the first look at the next Super Smash Bros. Almost three years worth of speculation and writing (on my part) will culminate in this moment to be.

Shoutout to my peeps: Chrono, Chu, Kuma, Tri, Golden, Kupa, N3ON, Horsetail, Oasis, Habanero, John, Diddy, Pichu, Luco, Opossum, Holder, Arcadenik, to anyone else I may be forgetting, and all of the new people I have yet to know. I'll see most of you all come E3. Later.

That's fine, I said pretty much all I had to say too.
Anyway, hope you have a good break away from here and come recharged for the impending flood of new people and finally (finally!) some content. Good luck, and cya soon(ish) Star! ^_^

 

[Oasis_S]

GOOD LUCK STARcaps.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Don't actually know you. But good luck! :D

So....

what do you guys think about Kamek?

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

1. I agree with you on Isaac. Matthew is basically a downgraded Isaac, especially since Isaac grew DAT BEARD OF LEGENDS!!! Still, Smash WiiU/3DS' timing for him is bad.
2. Matthew is very unpopular, especially given his game was easily worse than the two classics that are the first two Golden Sun games.
3. Isa is Saki's son, right=??? If so, why not just have the bigger and more well-known Saki=???
4. See, it's a lot better when you leave the franchises out of it. It makes your points flow smoother, and it makes the character choices about what matters: the characters.

1. I have no problem with Isaac being the choice, it just has to be his adult self (since that is obviously his latest version and that is what they tend to go with).
2. Matthew however is where the series will most likely continue with. He actually represents where the games are now.
2. There are things that Isa does that Saki can not do. For one,Saki does not have a jetpack. That would add to the move-set and it would make no sense for Saki to have it.
4. Yes, the Psyenergy and Gun/Sword (w/ Jetpack) alone help these characters stand out. Like the Monado does for Shulk.

 

[---]

@N3ON: I know I promised to respond to our original discussion, but honestly some of the other posters touched upon what I wanted to anywats. Since the topic has passed I'll just let it be.

Well everyone, I think it's about time I take my leave once again. College work is starting to pick up, requiring more of my time be spent towards academia. I've had a lot of fun over this winter break talking to everyone about the new games and information. Hard to believe in a little under five months we'll finally see the first look at the next Super Smash Bros. Almost three years worth of speculation and writing (on my part) will culminate in this moment to be.

Shoutout to my peeps: Chrono, Chu, Kuma, Tri, Golden, Kupa, N3ON, Horsetail, Oasis, Habanero, John, Diddy, Pichu, Luco, Opossum, Holder, Arcadenik, to anyone else I may be forgetting, and all of the new people I have yet to know. I'll see most of you all come E3. Later.

I'll bet you'll be back before then for a short post or two come spring break or something (), but anyway best of luck to ya, we'll try to main the fort while you're gone.

 

[Johnknight1]

@ Star
Take care bro. Hopefully my accounting (yeah, non theoretical accounting!) and other hard classes don't keep me busy! Yeah, being done with science!

You're on to something, only a troll would complain about people over-analyzing his twitter and claim he was going to stop talking about Smash, then tweet something Smash-related the next day.

Of course, if I was in Sakurai's position, I'd probably be trolling just as much as he is, if not more. Every statement I'd release would be cryptic, with multiple interpretations, and hinting at something that wouldn't actually end up in the game.

I can sum up Sakurai really easily...
Sakurai: Ness won't be in Brawl.
Brawl's Intro: Tah-Dah! NESS!!!
Sakurai:

Even Sakurai can only hold back the idiots from coming here for so long though.

A select few fools escape, but sometimes, even they are saved here at the safe haven we call Smash Boards!

Yeah, of course they'd be cool characters, personally Shulk is one of my most wanted, but to speculators they probably wouldn't be too surprising.

"Presentation" can change that. Look at the Brawl trailer. Imagine you'd never seen it before; Meta Knight, ZSSS, and especially Snake show up when you don't expect it.

I'd agree that there don't seem to be many possible surprises left for those knowledgeable about Nintendo and Smash, but I'm guessing we'll get at least one character very rarely brought up seriously here or not expected by very many people. Sakurai is tricky.

That's why I think characters like Saki, Isaac, various retro characters, and quite a few main characters of minor franchises can do. Perhaps Sakurai could pull out an unexpected Pokémon out of the hat for the 4th time (first Jigglypuff, then Pichu, and lastly the Pokémon Trainer).

Not being a casual, I'm not exactly sure who is "out there" to casuals, but I would still classify Meta-Knight above Dixie and Saki, though I'd guess all three wouldn't be too well known by casuals, especially Saki, unless those casuals are specifically fans of Kirby or DK.

It wasn't that Meta Knight was unexpected, it's just he's a somewhat random newcomer to start with, despite being a fan favorite. I mean, you'd think they'd want to start with a big name newcomer like Lucario, Wario, or Diddy. Plus, we all thought knew Dedede had priority over him. Because of Meta Knight's confirmation, Dedede was de facto confirmed.

Could very well be. I was just going by characters that get brought up a lot elsewhere in Smash discussion on less reputable places, but that still doesn't really give an accurate representation of who the casual would expect, you're right. I don't really know any casual Smash speculators though, so I was just guessing who they'd expect, or at least know.

It isn't always just the surprise of characters being playable that gets you excited, but seeing the expected characters is, in a way, surprising, too. I remember when Sonic was confirmed at some Nintendo Press Conference. I was so shocked, I didn't react, and I went to bed that night not believing that the inevitable had FINALLY happened. I woke up the next more, thinking it was a dream. I went to the Dojo, re-watched the video, and I still couldn't believe it. It took a few hours to sink in, and then, I was hyped all month!

Yeah, they probably would be, but the bandwagons would form almost immediately after a feasible Pokemon was shown. It'd be crazy.

They'll pack up their bags and hit the road just as quickly as they came, whereas the real contenders, like Zoroark will remain for months and months and months healthily.

Sometimes bandwagoning is illogical though, and many dismiss bandwagon characters, so if it did get confirmed in the trailer, I'd agree many would be caught off guard. I'm not saying one will be (if anything I think a 6th gen would be unlockable), but due to the promotion the Pokemon would receive, plus the inevitable fanbase, it wouldn't be too "out there". At least not as much as ZSS or Snake.

Nothing will be as unexpected as Snake or the Pokémon Trainer. As for Zero Suit Samus... it wasn't totally out of the blue. Samus has been in her zero suit quite a lot in the last half decade. I think a character that could work like ZSS would actually be a 3rd party character in one Miles 'Tails'.

Haha that's fine. I skim posts on here more than I'd like to admit.

Nah, I just think I was getting enough oxygen to the head because of my restricted breathing (which is on and off) and my meds wore off. Because of that, I think my thoughts were a bit... thoughtless.

I think she'd definitely be "out there". Despite what Sakurai thinks, with her swinging, bouncing and shockwaves, I think she could work.

That'd be the craziest character I could think of, along with the likes of Bomberman, Plusle and Minun, Geno (retro idea!), or (my favorite "WTF?" idea) Cranky Kong!

 

[Deleted member]

not even gonna address the fact that Fox couldn't before he was added to Smash. alright then. let's just agree to disagree.

Ahem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX-pGlStTZw
Assault wasn't the first game to have on-foot multiplayer, you know.


Not related to this: Yay, I'm a peep! See ya when E3 comes around, Star!

 

[3Bismyname]

Ahem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX-pGlStTZw
Assault wasn't the first game to have on-foot multiplayer, you know.


Not related to this: Yay, I'm a peep! See ya when E3 comes around, Star!

im always ok with being proven wrong. so good on ya

 

[Johnknight1]

1. I have no problem with Isaac being the choice, it just has to be his adult self (since that is obviously his latest version and that is what they tend to go with).
2. Matthew however is where the series will most likely continue with. He actually represents where the games are now.
3. There are things that Isa does that Saki can not do. For one,Saki does not have a jetpack. That would add to the move-set and it would make no sense for Saki to have it.
4. Yes, the Psyenergy and Gun/Sword (w/ Jetpack) alone help these characters stand out. Like the Monado does for Shulk.

1. Not necessarily. His teenage appearance is more recognizable. Note that in Brawl e didn't get the latest look of Ike, or the latest Pokémon Trainer, either.
2. I think he'll "hand the series back" to Isaac, and allow for a more adult adventure. After all, father knows best. He could be a nice sidekick though.
3. Jetpacks have been done (Diddy Kong). Also, Saki is more iconic, because of his Brawl appearance. And even then, you could still give a Jetpack to Saki (although probably not).
4. (Earth) Psyenergy made Isaac stick out as an Assist Trophy character. Add in some sword techniques, and you're there. The same is true with Saki and his gunblade.

 

[~automatic]

This thread moves too fast for my comfort. @_@

 

[Johnknight1]

^^^ It's like your digestive system when you got the stomach flu!

 

[MarioNPinkie]

This thread moves too fast for my comfort. @_@

i agree this thread is going like wildfire lol

 

[Frostwraith]

Thinking this thread is fast? Wait until E3 comes... =P

 

[FlareHabanero]

We'll be unable to get onto the site. Hence why I keep saying that June 11th will be Armageddon for the site and possibly the internet as a whole. Granted I'm actually more interested in Monolith Soft's new project, but I digress.

In other news, yay I'm one of Starphoenix's colorful chicken shaped marshmallow things!