Regarding marriage...

[mountain_tiger]

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In general, society is a lot more tolerant now than it ever has been before. However, aside from individual things that spread a lot like racism, antitheism etc., there's one thing that still suggests intolerance: the lack of legality of multiple marriages in the western world.

The norm in general society is to marry one person and only one i.e. monogamy, which in itself is fair enough. But ultimately, they suggest that marrying more than one person is unacceptable by declaring it illegal, even though in many other cultures it is considered perfectly acceptable. Considering that other customs are permitted to be undegone (e.g. Muslim women covering their faces, turbans etc.), I find this perplexing.

If someone believes, on a personal level, that bigamy or polygamy is wrong, that's fair enough. But that doesn't mean that those who believe it to be OK based on their culture should be alienated. As long as no one in the marriage is getting abused or otherwise mistreated, what's the problem? It just seems to go against the idea of personal liberty that many people believe in.

 

[MidnightAsaph]

I'm not quite sure what you're implying about antitheism. Do you believe it's a bad thing?

I don't get it much either. I mean, I'd be all for it, but personally I couldn't do it. It would be kinda awkward, and I like keeping my woman to myself. But hell, if people can do it, go ahead.

 

[REL38]

Well, aren't there certain legal issues that arise as a result of polygamy marriages?

(random guess)

 

[Jim Morrison]

As long as both parties agree on it, I endorse polygamy.

 

[Browny]

... you make a good point lol.

Are you talking about it being unnaceptable in western culture to people living there, or that westerners consider it unnaceptable to people living in other countries?

 

[mountain_tiger]

Well, aren't there certain legal issues that arise as a result of polygamy marriages?

(random guess)

You mean like if something happens to the husband and he has more than one wive, how would the life insurance go and stuff like that? That could cause issues, but so does a couple divorcing when children are involved, but they manage to get around that on an individual basis.

... you make a good point lol.

Are you talking about it being unnaceptable in western culture to people living there, or that westerners consider it unnaceptable to people living in other countries?

The fact that it's illegal seems, to me, to imply that it's a crime in an of itself.

 

[Browny]

In that case, I'll just say thats too bad for anyone who endorses it. If people choose to live in westernised countries, they get all the benefits of better schools, healthcare, roads etc and if they want to live in that world, they have to live by the laws of those who own the country. It might be a little archaic but you dont really have a choice.

 

[Falconv1.0]

I looked this up a bit, when polygamy was ruled illegal it's because we still pulled the 'we are a Christian nation' bull****. I'm not kidding.

I myself find polygamy to be ****ing stupid and would never be caught dead endorsing it, but I would really like to know if there's much of a valid legal reason aside from "lol it's immoral".

 

[Teran]

I think having multiple sexual partners is dandy, Falcon.

 

[Falconv1.0]

I think having multiple sexual partners is dandy, Falcon.

Are you speaking of just banging more than one chick or claiming to be 'in love' and wanting to marry more than one girl, I'm speaking of the latter. The former is the way any gangster should live bro.

 

[Greenstreet]

I looked this up a bit, when polygamy was ruled illegal it's because we still pulled the 'we are a Christian nation' bull****. I'm not kidding.

I myself find polygamy to be ****ing stupid and would never be caught dead endorsing it, but I would really like to know if there's much of a valid legal reason aside from "lol it's immoral".

Christianity doesn't teach against polygamy..

 

[Falconv1.0]

Christianity doesn't teach against polygamy..

You're confusing modern Christianity with the way the word was actually preached brother. The book doesn't preach it, but go ahead, go ask any 'normal' group of christians what they think about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy_in_Christianity

I'm not like, making some kind of statement about religion or anything, I'm just saying that views like that are how a lot of things worked back then.

 

[Greenstreet]

Yeah I am defining Christianity as what the Bible intended.

Not Christianity through the eyes of society. I wonder how it became percieved as immoral. I'll probably read that article and find out.

 

[Teran]

Are you speaking of just banging more than one chick or claiming to be 'in love' and wanting to marry more than one girl, I'm speaking of the latter. The former is the way any gangster should live bro.

If you can fall in love with more than one person during a lifetime, why not do it with multiple simultaneously?

 

[Fatmanonice]

Yeah I am defining Christianity as what the Bible intended.

Not Christianity through the eyes of society. I wonder how it became percieved as immoral. I'll probably read that article and find out.

It probably became immoral because of the slippery slope arguement that's been made for at least a century in the US. "If people can have multiple spouses, why can't gay people get married? If gay people can get married, what's stopping people from marrying animals, children, and inanimate objects." Because you can't prove that this wouldn't happen at some point after legalizing them, people scream "DO NOT WANT" and then either speak against any alternatives to traditional marriage or just try to avoid the subject altogether. You may agree with gay people getting hitched but do you agree with someone marrying their dog/tuba? As I said before, this tactic has been used quite effectively for generations.

 

[mountain_tiger]

It probably became immoral because of the slippery slope arguement that's been made for at least a century in the US. "If people can have multiple spouses, why can't gay people get married? If gay people can get married, what's stopping people from marrying animals, children, and inanimate objects." Because you can't prove that this wouldn't happen at some point after legalizing them, people scream "DO NOT WANT" and then either speak against any alternatives to traditional marriage or just try to avoid the subject altogether. You may agree with gay people getting hitched but do you agree with someone marrying their dog/tuba? As I said before, this tactic has been used quite effectively for generations.

Because gay people can consent, whereas animals, children and inanimate objects can't.

Despite being destroyed be the slightest bit of logic, unfortunately I can see why it would be effective.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Because gay people can consent, whereas animals, children and inanimate objects can't.

Despite being destroyed be the slightest bit of logic, unfortunately I can see why it would be effective.

I've asked several people who were hard-core anti-gay marriage this in the past and the usual reply was that "children can consent (albeit brain washing and taking full advantage of their ignorance) and the owner of the animal/object could say that they consent as well" or "well, who cares about consent? If we're going to throw all the rules out the window with how marriage ought to be, why not throw out that one too while we're at it?" As you can imagine, the conversations went straight to Hell after these arguements were made. (One incident ended up with me and my dad screaming at each other in a restaurant to try to argue over the other. )

 

[Jim Morrison]

I've asked several people who were hard-core anti-gay marriage this in the past and the usual reply was that "children can consent (albeit brain washing and taking full advantage of their ignorance) and the owner of the animal/object could say that they consent as well" or "well, who cares about consent? If we're going to throw all the rules out the window with how marriage ought to be, why not throw out that one too while we're at it?" As you can imagine, the conversations went straight to Hell after these arguements were made. (One incident ended up with me and my dad screaming at each other in a restaurant to try to argue over the other. )

Too bad we're not all ******** and can see that logic would never hold any ground, whereas gay people are fully concious adults.

*sigh* this topic has already turned into something gay.

 

[Fatmanonice]

As creationism will show you, no matter how faulty the logic to an arguement is, you can still have a buttload of people believe it if you have enough influence and spread it around enough.

 

[Falconv1.0]

If you can fall in love with more than one person during a lifetime, why not do it with multiple simultaneously?

Because I don't believe in that kind of idealism? It's an opinion thing dude, no reason to argue about it.

 

[Teran]

Well then **** your opinion.

 

[SuperBowser]

Maybe in 100 years.Polygamy was originally banned for several reasons. The most obvious problem with it is that it only allowed men to have multiple partners, not women. The people associated with polygamy weren't exactly the best spokesmen for it lol.

I'm not really sure what legal issues there would be with multiple partners though. Like who gets the most say when a partner is unconscious? Who gets the most money when one passes away? How do you know they aren't abusing the legal system for benefits or citizenship? Do you need to get married; can't you just agree to sleep with other people without a piece of paper?

 

[mountain_tiger]

Because I don't believe in that kind of idealism? It's an opinion thing dude, no reason to argue about it.

Exactly. It's an opinion. Most people will agree that stuff like murder or stealing is almost always wrong, but with something like this it's pretty much completely subjective.

But that's fine, because if you want to only marry one person (or not marry at all), there's nothing saying that you can't do that, even if polygamy were made legal. I mean, I think that all alcohol except wine tastes disgusting, but I have no problem with people drinking it anyway (just so long as they don't get overly drunk and cause damage).