Reasoning behind Type Weakness/Resistance

[A_man13]

Threads like this make me wonder just how seriously some of you take this game... Just saying.

People take MARIO games this serious.

 

[Fuelbi]

Let me see if I can get into this.

I would say that fighting beats steel because I've heard of people who are strong enough to bend girders of steel (well those guys probably had the conditioning their entire life). Since fighting types resemble humans the most, we are capable of bending metal things like paper clips and coat hangers and what not.

Also I would say that ice beats ground because in some areas, there IS permafrost. Like Russia, in some places it gets so cold that permafrost forms. So I would say that in a way, ice conquered the ground

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Anyone have a theory on why Flying > Fighting? This was a great idea for a thread.

A karate master will never be able to hurt someone flying in the air.

Unless of course the karate master knew how to fly as well, but since we have yet to see a Fighting / Flying Pokemon, I rest my case.

-Terywj

 

[Fuelbi]

I would say that since most fighting types resemble humanoids, we humans would normally have a hard time trying to reach someone in the air, which gives them the edge to destroy us....

 

[IC3R]

That would make sense.

My take on the Bug vs. Psychic thing is that insects act nearly completely on instinct. They don't need to think to fight, so Psychic-types (who defend themselves with overwhelming will) aren't able to mess with the minds of insects.

I have a better explanation.


Have you ever tried meditating while covered in hungry ants? Bug > Psychic

 

[Fuelbi]

Well there are people who have meditated on top of spikes and everything so I bet you that they can bear with a few bug bites

 

[IC3R]

no u D<

 

[RoxburyGuy58]

I actually thought the reasoning behind Flying beating Fighting was that the Japanese thought that aerial combat had an advantage over hand-to-hand fighting.

My interesting theory behind Psychic beating Fighting is the Japanese belief behind the mind being stronger than the body.

Ice beats Dragon becuase I suppose that Dragons are cold blooded reptiles, and are not accustomed to living in cold environments (anyone see any reptiles in the North Pole?). This might also explain the resistance to Fire, since many lizards live in the extreme heat of the desert.

The Ghost and Normal mechanic is simple, yet kind of cool. Think about it: ghosts go through things. A Normal-type is a basic animal being with no elemental fixation, and most Normal-types are mammalian pokemon. Humans are mammals, too. So, if a ghost punched you, you would not feel anything because he's ectoplasm, not solid; his punches go right through you and your punches go right through him. No one gets hurt. So it kind of makes sense that anything but normal attacks can hit ghosts.

 

[JOE!]

MY 2 cents on the Dark-Psi-FIghting triangle:

Dark = The Evil force, the big bad, etc. The villain allways is able to overpower the Wizard in the story, yet allways falls to the valiant hero.

Psi = The Wizard, Obi Wan, etc. The Wizard has powerful magic, and uasually aids the hero on his quest, after a usually humerous scene where the Wizard displays how powerful he is to the hero's astonishment.

Fight = The Hero. Using their pure skill, the hero allways triumphs over the cheating, dirty tactics of the villain. They fall before the wizards power however


/starwarsreferances

 

[Fuelbi]

I finally got a brainblast over Ice>Psychic

Have you ever eaten an ice cream and gotten brain freeze? Well what if psychic pokemon get brain freeze everytime they get blasted by Ice Beam? That could be the reason for Ice>Psychic

 

[Mewter]

Thus making Ice Pokemon more useful!

Love the idea!

 

[Fuelbi]

And I got all that from eating a sunday today.

Figures XD

 

[Mewter]

Gamefreak probably gets all their ideas from food.

How cheesey.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

When does Ice hit Psychic for supereffective damage?

-Terywj

 

[Fuelbi]

All the time.



That's why I used Sneasel with Ice Beam to beat the first elite 4 guy in SS

 

[UberMario]

Except Sneasel is also part Dark, and thus is immune to Psychic attacks.

 

[Fuelbi]

I'm not saying that nothing hit Sneasel because it DID get hit, but every time I used Ice Beam on every single one of his pokemon it said that it was "Super Effective"

 

[UberMario]

Hmmm, interesting.

 

[Sir Bedevere]

Did you not suddenly find yourself walled by his Jynx and Slowbro? The reason you were hitting his Pokemon super-effectively is half his team (Xatus and Exegguttor) is part weak to Ice. Psychic isn't weak to Ice.

 

[WouW]

Will's two Xatu and Exeggutor both have a secondary type that are weak to ice. The other two, Slowbro and Jynx, both resist ice.

Maybe you got confused by that.

EDIT:Ninja'd

 

[Fuelbi]

*headdesks*

I forgot flying was weak to ice >_<

I knew about Exeggutor and used Magmortar on it (I had a Magmortar on my team back in those days...)

I used Raikou on Slowbro

I used Typhlosion on Jynx

 

[kackamee]

I always thought that since Dragons are kinda like Dinosaurs, they freeze into the ice and get preserved which makes them bad against Ice O:

 

[Fuelbi]

I thought that since Dragons are reptiles, the cold blood makes them hibernate which would be a reason why Dragons are weak to Ice

 

[Charmander]

My Bearded Dragon falls asleep when its cold, so that could be a reason.

Yes a Bearded Dragon is
TECHNICALLY
a dragon

 

[Mewter]

No.

@Roacherman: I thought you were just listing an idea for an additional, hypothetical, type match-up (Ice > Psychic)?

 

[Ganonsburg]

MY 2 cents on the Dark-Psi-FIghting triangle:

Dark = The Evil force, the big bad, etc. The villain GANON allways is able to overpower the Wizard Zelda in the story, yet allways falls to the valiant hero (Link).

Psi = The Wizard, Obi Wan ZELDA, etc. The Wizard ZELDAhas powerful magic, and uasually aids the hero on his quest, after a usually humerous scene where the Wizard displays how powerful he is to the hero's astonishment always makes Link come save her.

Fight Courage!= The Hero, LINK. Using their pure skill courage, the hero allways triumphs over the cheating, dirty tactics of the villain. They fall before the wizards Zeldapower however


/starwarsreferances

/thelegendofzeldareferences

 

[Fuelbi]

Ok I think I have a reason why Fighting is not very effective against Grass.


Have you ever tried pulling out a weed by hand but you can't? Well it could be the situation for these fighting types...

 

[CT Chia]

I've found bug to trump psychic because they are feeble minded.

 

[PowerBomb]

Ok I think I have a reason why Fighting is not very effective against Grass.


Have you ever tried pulling out a weed by hand but you can't? Well it could be the situation for these fighting types...

You're thinking of Grass/Poison types.

Fighting is neutral against Grass. Not very effective v. Poison, though.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Ground is resistant against Poison probably because of erosion theories? I don't know, I haven't done ecology yet in AP Bio.

But what about Bug - Ghost?

-Terywj

 

[Metal~Mario]

How's a bug supposed to hurt a ghost?

Same as Normal and Fighting.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

But then in that sense it shouldn't be able to hit it then, if you think about it.

Edit: Bug hitting Ghost, I mean.

-Terywj

 

[Mewter]

Well, the ground can contain radon gas and other poisonous stuff, so venom like that shouldn't be able to hurt it much.

And real life logic doesn't apply to Pokemon!

 

[UberMario]

Sure it can. lol

But it doesn't work very well.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Some of it does, Mewter.

Fire < Water, for example.

But there are others indeed which don't work as much.

-Terywj

 

[Mewter]

Well, of course only some of the obvious stuff.
Everything else is thrown out the window.

...
Nitpickers.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

But of course.

Mewter I think your custom title should be "Water Stone Required"

-Terywj

 

[Arcade]

I saw UberMario's list and it looked pretty solid. I want to make some suggestions on the ones you weren't sure about.

Here's my thinking on Poison -/-> Ground:

1. Ground types tend to have tough skins, shells, exoskeletons, etc. To inject a poison or burn with acid you need to get past that tough layer first.

2. They also may be able to hold their breath for a long time so they can tunnel underground. Moves like Poison Gas are probably ineffective because of that. (Guybrush Threepwood is probably immune to poison)

Ground may be >>> Poison because they can't secret liquid or gas poison if they're covered in mud. All the dust and sand kicked up may interfere with the release of gaseous poison like it clogs up your car's AC. And maybe all the dirt covering the Poison type triggers the release of poison from its spines (like how the tentacle of a jellyfish stings automatically when touched), wasting the poison.

For Dark >>> Psychic, I see it as the Dark type resorting to cunning, gimmicky, underhanded tactics that the goody-two-shoes Psychics always fall for.

For Dark -/-> Dark, sneaky underhanded tricks don't work too well when your opponent knows and uses the same tricks.

Rock >>> Flying: Birds have hollow bones and are frail in general. Even one glancing blow from something like a rock will take a bird out. However, Steel is normal against Flying because it's heavier and harder to swing or throw effectively.

I still don't understand Psychic >>> Poison. I would get it if Poison was -/-> Psychic (painful/numbing poisons are not effective against someone with a strong will and can fight even when his body can't move), but that's not the case.

By the way >>> means super effective and -/-> means not very effective, but you know that by now.

 

[Frown]

Electric > Flying

Nintendo: "lol physics"

 

[mood4food77]

rock>flying

"kill 2 birds with one stone"

i mean, does it have to go more in depth than that