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QFT"35 character roster is just a clever hoax based on the fact that people are afraid to be disappointed when they find out the game has less characters than they initially expected.
That's the sole reason they support this 35 character roster. Either they're right, or they get a pleasant surprise in the form of even more characters. To these close-minded people it's a win/win situation."
Silence fool! I KNOW Pichu is coming back! I don't care what you say! Your wrong!LeuMasT said:"35 characters or not, this whole incident definitely proves people need a reality check. There's a good chance your pet character isn't going to make it, whoever it is."
Whatever you say "Smash Lord." I haven't attacked anybody, mostly other people attacking me because I use evidence over speculation and "b-b-but sakurai wouldn't do that!!"Yes, yes he is.
Just ignore him, he's just looking for attention, and probably gets off on deliberately attacking other people for his own self gain.
He doesn't have any good arguments, he just gets a sense of rush at trying to debunk good ones and make other people look stupid.
Unfortunately for him, he fails miserably.
Nobody can look at that and say that this isn't a full lineup. You can complain about third-party characters or characters the size of rooms or obscure fan-favorite characters from obscure games not getting in, but seriously, what the hell.Mario
Yoshi
Luigi
Bowser
Peach
Wario
Link
Young Link
Zelda (Zelda)
Zelda (Sheik)
Ganondorf
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
(PT) Squirtle
(PT) Ivysaur
(PT) Charizard
Lucario
Kirby
Meta Knight
King Dedede
(Samus) Power Suit Samus
(Samus) Zero Suit Samus
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Fox McCloud
Falco Lombardi
Wolf O'Donnell
Captain Falcon
Ness
Lucas
Ike
Marth
Pit
Ice Climbers
Mr. Game & Watch
Captain Olimar & Pikmin
R.O.B. the Robot
Sonic the Hedgehog
Solid Snake
QFT.
(10 chaar)
Right, where's your evidence? And for the second part:Whatever you say "Smash Lord." I haven't attacked anybody, mostly other people attacking me because I use evidence over speculation and "b-b-but sakurai wouldn't do that!!"
But please, think about this:
Nobody can look at that and say that this isn't a full lineup. You can complain about third-party characters or characters the size of rooms or obscure fan-favorite characters from obscure games not getting in, but seriously, what the hell.
Well my two most wanted are Krystal and Ridley, so really there is no reason they shouldn't be in. Even though I want Ridley more, I'm gonna have to say Krystal even more so than him.35 characters or not, this whole incident definitely proves people need a reality check. There's a good chance your pet character isn't going to make it, whoever it is.
This is not an RTS game, balancing individual fighters is far more easy than balancing what? 40 units per faction? and then balance them so that thei're not weak or stronger and still retain thei're originality from the other series, the balance argument means nothing.
Also, no one is angry at 35 characters, but at who are those characters, and even then it's incredibly stupid that after 2 years of development and after the hype, all we get are 35, didn't nintendo say an "insane amount" of characters would be in the game?
The number is not insane, but it surely is driving people insane. Also, what's more stupid is that the most popular characters are the ones being ignored, ok, not all of them, Ike, Diddy, Dedede, Olimar and Sonic got in but why only them? If the roster is real then ****, what has Sakurai been doing over the past 2 years?
And don't give me, the "there are more things than characters to add to the game" crap, what where the modelers and animators doing in all this time? This Roster is so annoying, still, somethings don't fit, so i expect it to be fake.
Right, where's your evidence? And for the second part:
Nobody can look at a lineup I just pulled out of me a** and that it isn't the full lineup. You can complain about third-party characters or characters the size of rooms or obscure fan-favorite characters from obscure games not getting in, but seriously, what the hell.
And I'll be looking for yours when it's deconfirmed.I'll be looking for your apology when this is confirmed.
You'll be looking for quite a long time for that, I'm afraid!And I'll be looking for yours when it's deconfirmed.
Ditto.You'll be looking for quite a long time for that, I'm afraid!![]()
Whatever you say, just keep saying "no u," and I'm sure it'll somehow nullify the fact that reputable people are saying these things and that they correspond perfectly with information from proven leakers and Nintendo themselves.Ditto.
Show your sources and this bickering will stop, then I could actually prove you wrong decently.Whatever you say, just keep saying "no u," and I'm sure it'll somehow nullify the fact that reputable people are saying these things and that they correspond perfectly with information from proven leakers and Nintendo themselves.![]()
Wow, that's sort of funny.http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9428199&postcount=1692
"Wait is that a response to the topic I was trolling people with?
I bet it is.
*goes to look*"
lock this thread.
the thread creator admits that he's an ******* loser troll from neocrapf in that link.
and you should go like shut up crushed. ignore him. he's like a reject from a message board so he has nothing better to do. just read that thread. he's laughing at all of us for wanting the dream game to actualize our dreams
You're not Alexander... I mean, AniHawk, how dare you impersonate him, next thing we know you'll have Ramirez as your avatar too ?
Why did you steal Anihawk's name from NeoGAF?http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9428199&postcount=1692
"Wait is that a response to the topic I was trolling people with?
I bet it is.
*goes to look*"
lock this thread.
the thread creator admits that he's an ******* loser troll from neocrapf in that link.
and you should go like shut up crushed. ignore him. he's like a reject from a message board so he has nothing better to do. just read that thread. he's laughing at all of us for wanting the dream game to actualize our dreams
Eh merde. The individual in question observed how people on the boards acted and responded to various posts. This served as the foundation upon which he constructed his theory on how Smash Board posters construct society. He then criticized the underlying assumption of said society, in an effort to reveal the truth. Judging by your response, its working.No, that's bull****. Who the hell is this guy to pretend he knows people and their expectations better than themselves ?
You pretend that people are complaining about how only one of their favorite characters didn't make the cut but you're not listening. If this roster ends up being true, MOST smash fans got the shaft. That's what makes it different from Melee. Allow me to point out some of the unlockable characters in Melee:Dang it! Listen to Firestorm. He wrote out a good few paragraphs explaining the supposedly leaked roster, and you guys just ignore him, then argue with him with your freaking babbling. "OMGZ GENO ND RIDLEE NAWT GONA B IN TEH GAIM"
I really want Geno in, but if he's not in, I'm not gonna kill myself. I really want Sukapon in, but if he's not in, I'm not gonna cry, cut myself, and put Simple Plan posters up on my wall. Don't you guys see? This is almost EXACTLY what happened with the Melee roster leak. You guys couldn't believe all of that, but when you played Melee, it was so fun, you forgot about all those issues.
Oh, and ROB a completely nonsensical choice? Mr.Game&Watch says hi.
go home troll. i h8 uWhy did you steal Anihawk's name from NeoGAF?![]()
So Pit, Wario, Olimar, Lucas, those guys don't count.Sonic-Most voted for character in the Third Party category.
Lucario-Most voted for character in the Pokemon category.
Wolf- Assumed to be the second most voted for character in the Star Fox category. (Because we all know that Krystal blew him out of the water.)
steal? go home troll i h8 u. plus this name sounds like coolWhy did you steal Anihawk's name from NeoGAF?![]()
Crushed, where's your sources? I'm still waiting.Why did you steal Anihawk's name from NeoGAF?![]()
Because they're f'd up in the head, but that has nothing to do with me. I'm a sane person. The point is, if someone doesn't know what they want, then no one at all does.Finally, you have no warrant behind your statement. Usually, individuals actually do not know what they want. Why do you think people go to psychologist on such a regular basis? A lot of "mental illnesses" stem from the fact that people don't truly know themselves. (and therefore what they want)
Woot, debunked!http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9428199&postcount=1692
"Wait is that a response to the topic I was trolling people with?
I bet it is.
*goes to look*"
lock this thread.
the thread creator admits that he's an ******* loser troll from neocrapf in that link.
and you should go like shut up crushed. ignore him. he's like a reject from a message board so he has nothing better to do. just read that thread. he's laughing at all of us for wanting the dream game to actualize our dreams
Read the whole thread on NeoGAF. MarkMan and Reno are reliable. Moderators who know things are backing them up instead of banning them (which is what would happen if they were found to be just ordinary people with no access to info). They're long-standing members with proven connections betting their accounts on their validity. Their information corresponds perfectly with the proven "prophets."Crushed, where's your sources? I'm still waiting.
Yes, people on Smashboards have accounts on other forums. That sure debunks reliable information.Woot, debunked!
Notice how I said unlockable... Pit, Wario, and Metaknight don't count either because they were revealed before the offical Brawl poll was done shortly after E3 2006. Come to think of it, King Dedede, the Pokemon Trainer, and Diddy Kong shouldn't count either because of their high standings in the Melee poll and there's strong evidence that Sakurai used these results for Brawl as well.So Pit, Wario, Olimar, Lucas, those guys don't count.
"This guy said this, and this other random guy said this.." isn't exactly undeniable proof. Where's the perfect corresponding with Nintendo proof..?Read the whole thread on NeoGAF. MarkMan and Reno are reliable. Moderators who know things are backing them up instead of banning them (which is what would happen if they were found to be just ordinary people with no access to info). They're long-standing members with proven connections betting their accounts on their validity. Their information corresponds perfectly with the proven "prophets."
I've tried telling you this, but you continue to ignore it.
..and that they correspond perfectly with information from proven leakers and Nintendo themselves.![]()
Why does it matter if characters are unlockables or not? If the starting roster was Mario, Kirby, Link, and Pikachu and then you had to unlock the rest would that be better? WOW 31 unlockables alright!!!Notice how I said unlockable... Pit, Wario, and Metaknight don't count either because they were revealed before the offical Brawl poll was done shortly after E3 2006.
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There you go talking down to me as if I'm pissing and moaning for the fact that Geno might have not made the cut. No, I'm angry because I'm far from the only person who got the shaft in this deal. Really, it's not a matter of my expectations being met but the basic expectations of most people in general. I speak on behalf of those that have come to forums like this on a nearly daily basis since Brawl was offically announced. I speak on behalf of those who's most basic character expectations are not going to be met. I speak on behalf of those who saw this as the last oppurtunity for certain characters to be playable for almost a decade. I speak on behalf of those that made petitions, wrote letters, and went to the conferences and expos.Why does it matter if characters are unlockables or not? If the starting roster was Mario, Kirby, Link, and Pikachu and then you had to unlock the rest would that be better? WOW 31 unlockables alright!!!
A lot of the complaining seems to be along the lines of 'well this would mean that we're only getting 3 more new characters!' If you guys are so concerned about keeping everything secret, why were you checking the Dojo every night -- how could they have possibly had daily weekday updates for nearly a year without covering most of the content in the game? I'm willing to bet that those same people who are complaining about having seen everything already are the same people who complained all through November about how 'boring' the updates had become and there should have been more character updates. And don't tell me that you were going to just check the Dojo for a little while then go clean until launch so that you wouldn't see the hidden characters, because I'm not buying that crap; not in a topic about leaked rosters, no less.
If you're disappointed with 35 characters, then it's your fault. It's your fault for getting yourself hyped to the point that there was no possible way for the game to come out and meet your expectations. Are there a few duds in the game, sure there are. It's unfortunate that Wolf, ROB, and Sonic had to get in, but hey what are you going to do. Because that's just it: no matter what character you pick outside of the original few, there are people who don't want to see those characters in Brawl. I didn't want Geno, or Krystal, or Bowser Jr, or Sonic, or Daisy in Brawl, but I know that there are a lot of people who do. Learning to accept and deal with things you may not like is reality, kids. Really, good luck in society if you're going to throw a tantrum just because Smash Bros doesn't have as many characters as you hoped it would.
If you need me, I'll be having a blast fighting with Olimar on all the custom stages I'll be building. (ps. hi firestorm and crushed)
I agree that there should be no excuse of a mediocre game with all the time and man power this game had. If the game is under a 9 in ratings, its a failure. But the point is not whether a specific character gets in, but the amount. The fans want a large roster to show that Nintendo really made the game for the fans. Sure maybe we wont get a certain 3rd party character, but there is no reason we can't have 40 characters. Its not really asking that much with all the man power and time and support this game had. It should be to the highest selling game for the Wii with good reason.There you go talking down to me as if I'm pissing and moaning for the fact that Geno might have not made the cut. No, I'm angry because I'm far from the only person who got the shaft in this deal. Really, it's not a matter of my expectations being met but the basic expectations of most people in general. I speak on behalf of those that have come to forums like this on a nearly daily basis since Brawl was offically announced. I speak on behalf of those who's most basic character expectations are not going to be met. I speak on behalf of those who saw this as the last oppurtunity for certain characters to be playable for almost a decade. I speak on behalf of those that made petitions, wrote letters, and went to the conferences and expos.
I feel like I've been lied too because the roster is so horrifically unimagiative (that's the real issue) despite how Brawl's development was longer then Twilight Princess's and Super Mario Galaxy's and almost three times longer then Melee's. Like I said, months from now, Sakurai's going to tell us that "they ran out of time" and that "they just didn't have the man power, etc." You create 1001 Assist Trophies but didn't have time to create a 40 seperate character roster that features character that weren't just left over ideas from Melee? You have an entire building built for the development of the game and 700 people who played a hand in the development in the game and can only come up with 5 completely original unlockable characters? (Wolf, Sonic, Snake, Lucario, and ROB) You tell the fans that this game is fan driven and the most talented people from all the spans of video game history are going to be working on the game and can only muster up 2 more unlockable characters then Melee had? You delay the game not once but twice (technically three times) and expect them to be happy with such a subpar roster? Don't even get me started on the sheer injustice of being able to come up with a moveset for something like ROB but draw a complete blank when it comes to people like Lyn, Stafy, Demille, Little Mac, etc...
Oh yes, I understand prefectly how society works. I know that there are children that go to bed hungry at night, good people die, and that Britney Spears is allowed to reproduce but this hardly fans out to encompass society, ethics, and philosophy. This is about a video game. An electronic toy, if you will. A product of which was promised to be made for the fans, by the fans and that's hardly the case. I'm a consumer and I'm dissatisfied because I can already see myself encountering the same problems I had with Melee: experiencing deja-vu all too often because of lack of variety when it comes to the characters. Keep in mind that this game is supposed to last us for another 7-8 years and I'm sure 90% of the people who play online will use Sonic as it is...
But like I said to Firestorm, this will all come off as whining so why do I bother explaining myself anyway? This will all come off as a "temper tantrum" and I'll be made the fool simply because I'm not willingly bending over and taking it like a guy who dropped a jar of pennies in a Turkish Bath.Is it futile? Obviously but it's been a long journey and I definately have Jet-lag...