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To be completely fair I don't think that Sakurai himself will see Microsoft ownership as a deal breaker, I expect if he wants them in he'll try to; if anything problems might arise from either Microsoft themselves of from elsewhere in the Nintendo hierarchy. But the one important thing that changed is that third-party characters who are the main faces of otherwise unrepresented series appearing as Assist Trophies now has a precedent, and I suspect Steve has a higher chance as a playable Microsoft character while BK have more of a niche appeal and might end up as an Assist Trophy, and again, them having no game on Switch makes them less likely as playable characters: it's possible that the deal between Nintendo and Microsoft might settle them to a lesser role as a consolation price.
I don't have anything to add.
That was a short text, so I'll develop a little. The series has some historical importance and its fans, but is mostly irrelevant to the modern Nintendo era. I could imagine it being considered, but other more requested characters might get in instead. I gave a slight boost in chance considering the infantry & tanks Assist Trophy didn't appear yet.
I don't think I have much to add. He has some merits as a contender but he's not one I'm particularly interested in.
How do you determine .1 of a chance?
Ura
previously mentioned, the War's franchise has it's legacy going back to the Famicom in 1988 so it has an extensive history that would make it a good pick for a new character and Advance Wars is critically acclaimed as well. Also Sakurai has a really good relationship with Intelligent Systems seeing how many Fire Emblem characters we have so maybe Sakurai would love to represent their next biggest series after Paper Mario. However it has been dormant for a decade and it hasn't sold as well as other character-less IPs like Rhythm Heaven and Golden Sun which have more recent entries and at this point and he has alot of more popular competition which hurts his chances especially with limited newcomers this time around.
Ura
's moveset and reasons completely convinced me on how cool he could be which is why I have a higher score. As a huge Isaac supporter I relate to Advance Wars fans as we both want our character in Smash to boost popularity and interest towards our respective franchise. I'm more of a person that prefers new Nintendo franchise's being represented over already represented so I'd love his inclusion and for the Wars franchise as a whole to get more love
Essentially
Ok, if this happened I wouldn't even be mad.
BANJO & KAZOOIE- Chances 49% If Rare was still with Nintendo they would've been in the roster ages ago. Microsoft's ownership of Rare makes this an interesting situation for the duo as they are in direct competition ages ago. Although Microsoft and Nintendo have been being more friendly for each other with crossplay and Minecraft we still don't know how much they are willing to work together regarding Smash on both sides. Phil Spencer's famous tweet does help and they are one of the most common requests for characters going around so it is definitely a possibility.
Want 94% I personally feel that Banjo is the best new IP from the N64 era and having them in Smash would make so many people happy including me. The fun and quirky nature of the original duolagy would make for an incredibly fun character. I honestly hate the argument that Banjo would be too similar to Duck Hunt since there as so many elements from the games that make them stand out. The Rare games from the N64 era are too iconic to be ignored by Smash.
ANDY- Chances 39% As
Want 78% At first I wasn't too big on having a playable rep from this game maybe a 55% want at first. I thought maybe Sami would be kinda cool but
Ahh shucks you guys! Thanks!Banjo want: 55%
The characters look appealing enough. That said I have no real opinion as I haven't played their game yet.
Andy want: 55%
AW is on my backlog but it's gonna take a while til I get there. This is mostly because I want to see
Leon Kennedy x5
Ok I get what you're saying but Duck Hunt is literally NES Zapper the character and they are technically a trio. There's only 2 moves they does that's like a move Banjo and Kazooie do in there games. While Sakurai does sometimes go and make things up for characters and it's possible he would make them play similarly it would be weird and not in character. I mean it would be like if Cloud and Link were clones just because they were both blonde and had swords. Or maybe it would be like if K Rool was added as a Bowser clone, it just wouldn't make sense even though they are both big reptile based villians. I get sometimes the Smash community expects uniqueness where Sakurai thinks the opposite but there are also characters that being clones would just be down right wrong unless Sakurai didn't care to be faithful.
Which is one of the things that makes me nervous about if Sakurai finds K.Rool and Dixie both deserving of being in, but only one of them interesting enough to give a unique moveset to. Most people are thinking of a unique Rool and a Diddy clone, which people dismiss since "Dixie can't use Diddy's moves period." I can easily see Sakurai making Dixie unique and then throwing in K.Rool as a fake Bowser, as unfitting as that would be. After all, Ganondorf finally got his sword after 16 years, before that he was slow and old Captain Falcon, which anyone who's ever played a Zelda game knows is not the case. Or Sakurai may decide the K.Rool/Dixie debate by not giving us one. Or giving us neither.
K Rool can't breath Fire
I mean yeah but what can Steve even do that's unique. Sure he would have a pickaxe but what weapons a character uses doesn't make them unique. That's a silly visual thing that fans keep harping on for no good reason. I can't see Steve using a pickaxe as a unique weapon unless he has some terraforming moveset which I don't know how likely that is. As for picking Banjo over Steve well I mean Microsoft isn't answering questions about whether Steve can join.
He can use a trident, a shove, a pickaxe, a sword, a bow, a hoe, he can fly with elytra, he can build things, he's got his dog, he might even be able to use mob eggs to summon creepers, zombies, and spiders. It's possible he could also have an enchantment mechanic where he gives his tools/ weapons different effects or a magic potion where he can give himself different attributes. Or he could have a redstone mechanic to do something with advance machinery. He could even have something with Iron Golems or Snow Golems.
Look, I'm really not trying to get in an argument here, and I'm sorry if I've offended you somehow. I'm not trying to make an argument for Steve; his day is over, I'm just using him as an example of a Microsoft character that wasn't originally Microsoft's to begin with. I can say that Steve is one of the few characters I actively do not want in Smash, whereas I'm very apathetic towards Banjo. I don't know his game at all, but I liked DK64 and I know he's important to the fans. To me, if he gets in, fine. If not, whatever.
Ura
convinced me to see the potential retro appeal of the Wars series, and well, it is plausible. With King Takamaru dead, the retro horse race is more interesting. Considering the Wars series has had such a long run, I could see it getting a nod.
I mean you didn't offend me mate I was just discussing. I am sorry if it came off as hostile or aggressive, that was not my intention. But my point is having a completely different weapon doesn't mean you'll be unique. Weapons are tools and it's how they are used that matters. That's why even though we have a lot of sword characters most have completely unique movesets and they are still tons of sword styles that aren't in Smash. So it's actually possible that lance and axe wielders from FE are still clones just like it's possible they are unique. That's why I hate the whole "no more swordsmen" thing because it's just superficial and really doesn't mean anything about whether or not a character can be unique. Not to mention it started because people wanted the weapon triangle represented in Smash and somehow escalated into swords are bad. I seriously wish people would move beyond visuals instead of just writing off characters they don't know.
Thanks for providing some basic ideas for him and while the weapons he uses don't mean anything the rest show he could be an interesting character so that's cool.
becane a character. If BK demand was high, they could appear with Minecraft assist trophies, levels, etc.
Phil's only boss is actually Satya Nadella himself. So what you're telling me is that this is the more likely scenario...
It could also go
It could go a number of ways, the point is, don't assume just because one guy who isn't the boss of bosses says he's OK with it that it's a sure thing. Microsoft as a direct competitor of Nintendo has their own interest, and while Phil Spencer doesn't see an issue the CEO could. Or MS's CEO could be a lot less reasonable in negotiating.
To be fair he let one of the most valuable IPs they bought, Minecraft, on Sony consoles instead of keeping it Xbox and Windows exclusive so if they did that then why would they not allow use for Banjo in one of the best selling series out there?
Yes
I’ve read that interview, but could you link it? I want to read it again and cry.
And the Ice Climbers were for Melee?
Yeah actually, it would be very different. And that's not accounting for the other units he'd summon that are purely land based like Tanks/Artillery/Anti-Air's.
That is a complete misrepresentation of what was said. They said one of the major reasons Fire Emblem grew more popular was because of supports, not the marriage or waifus. People actually care about Fire Emblem's characters while Advance Wars uses generic units. Brawl in the Family actually put it best.
Except that comic doesn't paint the whole picture on the franchise and it's basically the initial impression someone getting in to Advance Wars would think or someone that's only heard about it. Not that there isn't any truth in to that but hot damn people have the tendency to overexaggerate to unspeakable proportions.That is a complete misrepresentation of what was said. They said one of the major reasons Fire Emblem grew more popular was because of supports, not the marriage or waifus. People actually care about Fire Emblem's characters while Advance Wars uses generic units. Brawl in the Family actually put it best.
THAT is Advance Wars' issue. If people can't connect with the characters then there will likely be less people who care.
