Chandeelure
Bandana Brigade Captain
-Chrom:
Chances: 85%
Want: 20%
-Robin:
Chances: 5%
Want: 20%
Chances: 85%
Want: 20%
-Robin:
Chances: 5%
Want: 20%
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Well, we already can say that it's related to sales to a fair extent. Mathematically, the correlation is there. But correlation is not the same as causation. I think popularity is the true factor... They want characters that will please the fans.If Sakurai decides the amount of characters per series by sales, then I'll be irritated/offended. That's not a good way to make a good roster.
My point was only that they both only have 2 characters, despite having significantly higher sales, and by implication, significantly more popularity.I'm pulling for DK getting 4 characters as well as Fire Emblem. But for Metroid, there just isn't a 4th character left that has earned Smash Bros.
I wasn't talking about how many characters have potential. I've heard enough about Fire Emblem to know about that.[yada yada]
And I didn't even go in-depth on the lords...
Yeah, I really doubt it's primarily based on the size of Pokemon's cast.Fire Emblem is a lot like Pokemon. And a lot of people right now are saying Pokemon should have 6 reps (while Mario should stay at 5). Why? Same reasons. The amount of deserving characters.
I think you're overestimating Fire Emblem's reach. Most people, even most Nintendo fans, have not played any, or at least not many Fire Emblem games. Most people are going to be like "I don't really know anything about Fire Emblem... so why does it have so many characters?" It would stick out. I really, really doubt that DK and Fire Emblem would get four characters.Seems like most people think that despite Pokemon being smaller than Mario, it's OK for it to have more characters.
- Fire Emblem having equal characters to DK, and more characters than Metroid, Kirby, and Starfox by 1
-Pokemon having more characters than Mario
Which of these 2 would stand out more on a roster to you? For me it's the 2nd, as the main 3 series are the most noticeable to me on any roster, and, while some may not know how important those series listed in the 1st are compared to each other, everybody knows Mario is Nintendo's biggest series, not Pokemon.
If you're going by plans, you shouldn't leave out the fact that Mewtwo, Dixie Kong, Toon Zelda and Dr. Mario were planned too, and Mewtwo was the one with the most work done. It was not jumping ahead before the larger series.I think it's perfectly justifiable. And I think it's likelihood may be higher than you give it credit. There were supposed to be 3 in Brawl, which would be equal to Starfox and Kirby and more than DK and Metroid.
My point was only that not so long ago it was almost a dead series. It gets a hit game* and it's suddenly one of Nintendo's most valuable properties? I doubt it. Why is it going to get treatment that puts it on level with Nintendo's biggest franchises?And even though before Awakening things were looking bad for the series, it already has future plans (SMT crossover), so I'm not worried they're just going to stop making Fire Emblem games now. I don't think that's what regularly happens after a series has their most successful game.
Considering that those chances only add up to a 52.25% chance of us getting a Fire Emblem newcomer, do you think Roy/Lucina/Anna/someone else has a good chance as well, or are you just a lot less confident in a Fire Emblem newcomer than most?chrom - 45%
look at Pacack's post, add a little more that he saved the franchise and is impoartant. and done
want - 0%
all I care about is ike and marth, everyone else doesn't matter, but even then I still don't like the guy
robin - 7.25%
over much thought, I don't think he actually has much of a chance, only if IS doesn't want Lucina or chrom (their poster children) which is pretty unlikely in itself
want - 50%
look at chrom want score, expect remove the third part
issac - 47%
knowing this board, they'll think he'll get a major boost in score
Ray - 13.21%
what i'll think happen? absolutely nothing
Roy gets an 5Considering that those chances only add up to a 52.25% chance of us getting a Fire Emblem newcomer, do you think Roy/Lucina/Anna/someone else has a good chance as well, or are you just a lot less confident in a Fire Emblem newcomer than most?
Interesting. I'm personally much more confident in a Fire Emblem newcomer, but I could see how someone could feel that way.Roy gets an 5
Lucina gets an 12
Anna gets an 5.75
everyone else probably just a drop dead zero
all that equals to 75% that's is as likely as I see a newcomer, I see them getting a good chance, buts its not garneted.
I say its most likely just marth and ike, with a coin toss for chrom, which a very lowly chance of Lucina,
also just to be clear my thinking is that if they have a 5% chance means that they bare minimum of being considered, still in the competition and in the running but at most at the bottom (anything under that I believe has no chance)
25%Interesting. I'm personally much more confident in a Fire Emblem newcomer, but I could see how someone could feel that way.
What would you consider the odds of Ike being cut, if I may ask?
Actually, in Fire Emblem canon, Marth and Chrom's falchions are the same blade, simply reforged. The original was made with a fang of Naga and it apparently needed repair at some point, leading to it becoming Fire Emblem Awakening's version. So, yes, it actually is the same sword.I noticed a lot of people mentioning that Marth and Chrom use the same sword. I'm not trying to convince anyone to change their ratings but I feel this needs to be pointed out. The Falchion has changed appearances multiple times throughout FE, it does not appear to have a cannon design. Just compare the "tiny Falchion" with the traditional handle that Marth uses in SSB to the "giant Falchion" with the tear drop shaped handle that Chrom uses in Awakening. They are two completely different Swords in both size and shape that are similar in name only.
I'm not saying it helps Chrom's chances, again it's just something that needs to be pointed out.
Thanks. I enjoy hearing your point of view.25%
noted and possible but very unlikely from the data of veterans of what we know of.
though if he does get cut, I think we all can assume a newcomer is a given
no problem mate,Thanks. I enjoy hearing your point of view.
We're not nominating anyone right now. That part of the game is on lock-down until we get through all of the days that are listed in this post.Nominating Dixie Kong x5
I'm not sure if this was aimed at me or not, but I never said FE was only getting 2 characters. I stated I really don't see Ike getting cut which would be Marth, Ike, and Chrom (3 characters and anymore than that being unlikely). As for the pattern, Marth has been in every Smash title since Melee and if you believe the Sal leak then every FE newcomer besides Marth has been the latest lord from the series. The fact that Roy was cut from Brawl has no bearing on that as even if he would have made it in, Brawl's FE newcomer (Ike) was still the latest lord.What really bothers me is that when rating, everyone is saying "It seems we get the newest FE character each time" but there have only been TWO games with Fire Emblem characters so there shouldn't be a pattern established! Also, when it comes to "He only chooses Marth and the newest Lord, no more than the two" Roy was cut due to time and Fire Emblem was supposed to have THREE characters. Please don't consider so called "patterns" because with only three games, I really doubt that there is a pattern too them.
True, it's hard to determine an actual pattern in the games when there's been so few of them. However, receiving a character from the latest Fire Emblem game is not only a pattern we've seen, but it's also the most logical way to add characters from the franchise. When the cast of characters is constantly being changed out for new ones, there aren't many recurring characters who would be suitable for Smash. So, adding in a character from the latest game makes the most sense as it promotes the game and would be recognizable to recent fans of that installment. Although I agree with you when you say that it's not necessary to cut out characters like Ike just because they aren't the most recent.What really bothers me is that when rating, everyone is saying "It seems we get the newest FE character each time" but there have only been TWO games with Fire Emblem characters so there shouldn't be a pattern established! Also, when it comes to "He only chooses Marth and the newest Lord, no more than the two" Roy was cut due to time and Fire Emblem was supposed to have THREE characters. Please don't consider so called "patterns" because with only three games, I really doubt that there is a pattern too them.
I was talking about the posts I saw earlier in this thread not yours. But yeah I get what you guys mean.I'm not sure if this was aimed at me or not, but I never said FE was only getting 2 characters. I stated I really don't see Ike getting cut which would be Marth, Ike, and Chrom (3 characters and anymore than that being unlikely). As for the pattern, Marth has been in every Smash title since Melee and if you believe the Sal leak then every FE newcomer besides Marth has been the latest lord from the series. The fact that Roy was cut from Brawl has no bearing on that as even if he would have made it in, Brawl's FE newcomer (Ike) was still the latest lord.
So essentially the pattern is Marth is a guarantee and the FE newcomer is always the latest lord. It's doesn't mean the previous game's lord will be cut.
That's kind of hard to determine at this point. It's certainly plausible, perhaps likely, but we don't know what the future of Fire Emblem holds. On top of that, if Chrom were to appear as a main character in a future installment, who's to say that Robin or Lucina wouldn't appear alongside him? It's just kind of an unknown at this point.Marth and Ike are the only recurring playable lords and both are in Smash already. I imagine Chrom will become the next recurring main character lord after the huge success of Awakening, that's why he'll get into Smash over Robin or Lucina. Although some others did appear in later games or even as playable, only the blue-haired lords get to stay in the protagonist role over multiple games.
Couldn't the same be said for Greninja? I mean, his existence wasn't even officially revealed until after X and Y were released. He certainly wasn't used at all for advertisement for the game or anything like that. Why is this an issue for Robin? After all, he still promotes Awakening, regardless of whether or not he was advertised more.@ False Sense True, true, but look at Greninja for example, and remember that IS was involved in deciding the Fire Emblem characters in Melee, not sure about Brawl. I can see them recommending Chrom over the other two, especially for the sake of advertisement if a new game is in the works. Robin is cool and all, but in terms of the product, he's simply not visible enough.
The thing is that Greninja has potential in the future to be marketable, as a concept, Robin simply can't be - the true difference is that Chrom is already the central figure of Awakening, while Greninja is waiting in the wings.Couldn't the same be said for Greninja? I mean, his existence wasn't even officially revealed until after X and Y were released. He certainly wasn't used at all for advertisement for the game or anything like that. Why is this an issue for Robin? After all, he still promotes Awakening, regardless of whether or not he was advertised more.
Actually, that's not entirely true...The thing is that Greninja has potential in the future to be marketable, as a concept, Robin simply can't be - the true difference is that Chrom is already the central figure of Awakening, while Greninja is waiting in the wings.
Technically Roy is recurring (though his second appearance is as a baby), but he's also playable in a Smash game so I guess your point remains valid. Eliwood, Hector and (double playable) Leif however...Marth and Ike are the only recurring playable lords and both are in Smash already..