Rake's Canadafia Over!! Nabe won through the power of Poutine

[BarDulL]

Do*

Tired johns.

 

[Dooms]

J's looking for gif's just to argue with me?

<3 <3 <3 <3

 

[Kantrip]

I just don't agree with what you're saying in the slightest. Gord is the type of person to do this thing. He has consistently done this thing in like every game I've been in with him if I recall correctly (correct me if I'm wrong), one of which was a game where he was confirmed 100% town from the get-go. There is literally no reason for me to get Gord scum from what you're stating. This is also due to the fact that I'm agreeing with Gord completely on Friday Townie's slot.

On re-reading KWK's Raziek push, I'll say I don't like it, but I'll let Raziek respond to it first.

"Alright guys, it's time to get creative! This means you too, Joey."

"Yeah, J-joey."

"Take a look at my Raziek push! And tell me please, what do you see?"

"It's just a boring old Raziek push!"

"Maybe for you, but not for me! I see a silly joke, some random vote pressure in the early game!"

"That sounds really boring."

"Because you're not thinking creatively! It was RVS!"

"Then WHY didn't we switch our vote to FANNY? I thought Raz was being a HYPOCRITE!"

"Not really. We were reaching our point to justify the vote!"

"That... scummy."

"You need to be creative! All we could have done is generate discussion with such a vote! And we didn't switch to Fanny because we wanted to see what Raziek would say when we asked him if we should switch our vote to Fanny! His answer there could have been really telling if he were actually playing the game instead of milling about by himself!"

"Wait, so RAZIEK isn't SCUM?"

"He might be, but not off our reasoning! We weren't trying to make a case, we were trying to feel him out! He wasn't very cooperative though, so we're still at square one and Joey went and defended him before he could even respond."

"HOW RUDE! Joey MUST be SCUM!"

"I think he's just boring. Won't let us have any fun."

 

[Kantrip]

I'll take back what I said about liking KWK. Both of their pushes have been very weak, and I don't see a legitimate reason why anyone would be on either of those wagons. They both seem way too opportunistic, and it looks like the KWK slot in general is just going for whatever they can point out at the time.

Vote: KWK

I'll just focus on the Dango one since you're not waiting for a response from him as much.

You call out Raziek for acting like a hypocrite. You do not question him about anything specifically in your post.

Look at the focus in Dango's post. Is he focused on Raziek being a hypocrite? No! He's questioning something different and going after a completely different thing. It's not like he ignored it, either. Dango had no posts between Raziek's pawn vote and your post. You're basically assuming that he wouldn't have questioned Raziek if you wouldn't have called him out. Is this true? I don't know! Neither do you! This is literally the definition of reaching! You're only putting pressure on him because he said the words "Yeah Raziek."

Dango's response to Gordito is another thing you're pressing him for. Really? This is Dango's third post in the game. His first post in the game was showing concern towards Bardull's post (although it got ignored generally). You attack him for not questioning it earlier, but he already showed concern. You're attacking him for not putting his concern into a question until he was asked for thoughts on Bardull's thoughts specifically. I don't see why this action of his is scummy in the slightest, especially when you consider the amount of posts he has between the first time he showed concern and this one.

Last thing, you calling anything that he has done "rolefishing" is really reaching. You're pushing him under a presumed fact that Bardull's post has everything to do with his role. How would Dango know that it has something to do with Bardull's role? None of us do! As a less experienced player, Dango questioning and showing concern for a post like that should be standard, not thrown under the rolefishing category. Making these things seem this severe on top of the "I've never seen this type of play from you" meta stuff that he can't defend against makes it seem like you're just trying to pressure him into a hole that he can't squirm out of.

I have to go. TL;DR: Your Dango push is a bunch of reaching bull**** and it looks like you're trying to make Dango dig himself into a deeper hole. I don't like it.

 

[Kreative Whiz Kids]

"Alright guys, it's time to get creative! This means you too, Joey."

"Yeah, J-joey."

"Take a look at my Raziek push! And tell me please, what do you see?"

"It's just a boring old Raziek push!"

"Maybe for you, but not for me! I see a silly joke, some random vote pressure in the early game!"

"That sounds really boring."

"Because you're not thinking creatively! It was RVS!"

"Then WHY didn't we switch our vote to FANNY? I thought Raz was being a HYPOCRITE!"

"Not really. We were reaching our point to justify the vote!"

"That... scummy."

"You need to be creative! All we could have done is generate discussion with such a vote! And we didn't switch to Fanny because we wanted to see what Raziek would say when we asked him if we should switch our vote to Fanny! His answer there could have been really telling if he were actually playing the game instead of milling about by himself!"

"Wait, so RAZIEK isn't SCUM?"

"He might be, but not off our reasoning! We weren't trying to make a case, we were trying to feel him out! He wasn't very cooperative though, so we're still at square one and Joey went and defended him before he could even respond."

"HOW RUDE! Joey MUST be SCUM!"

"I think he's just boring. Won't let us have any fun."

Oh no guys our cover's blown

 

[Kreative Whiz Kids]

I don't see any reason for a scum Joey to do an 180 as fast as he did, as he would probably be fearful of being looked at funny for it. I see scum Joey just letting a read be for a bit after vocalizing it, not immediately flipping it around into a mini-case on the player he said he was fine with.

Joey town

 

[#HBC | J]

@ Dooms

I wouldn't say I am going to argue on it. I just find you beating down on KWK for...not the best of reasons. You say his push is reachy: Well yeah, welcome to D1, I'll be your host, J. What D1 push isn't reachy in some aspect especially when there are truly only about 3 1/2 pages of content thus far. Plus you failed to have shown a dislike of me for sharing a similar train of thought regarding Fanny. Why was I left out of the equation if you dislike KWK? Basically, for me, your flip on KWK came out of nowhere from liking him (albeit for a silly reason) to hating the slot with such venemousity to present a case on him on pg. 4.

You just make me tap my foot, at the moment, Joey. You are not being fair in your case to KWK and I don't see why. It's very one-sided and biased as hell.

J, you should read my posts more carefully. For instance, I did not say that I don't have a 90% town lean on Gorf.

I don't know how but I somehow read "prick" as "town". Welp gg, please report. Anyways, so you are still pushing Gorf then? I would say that it still contrives an odd look from me because you have played with Gorf and you have seen him play this type of game before. However, you are really kind of reaching to call his play snarky. I mean, that's just Gorf. It's like trying to point out Marshy for being all swag or Gheb for being all salt. It just is like "welp". What I've yet to see from you is why Gorf is scummy. Nothing about his tone reaches me as scummy and nothing of his play thus far does that either. If you want me to seriously consider Gorf you have to bring up valid concern against him rather than these blight statements. You say "us vets are protecting", but I have to say we aren't really protecting, moreso just not going for faulty logic. Especially with my personal experience with Gorf, scum-reading him so quickly and brashly is haphazard. *shrug* I just do not agree to your push at the time because the logic behind it has no true ground to stand on.

 

[#HBC | J]

I don't see any reason for a scum Joey to do an 180 as fast as he did, as he would probably be fearful of being looked at funny for it. I see scum Joey just letting a read be for a bit after vocalizing it, not immediately flipping it around into a mini-case on the player he said he was fine with.

Joey town

So is this a meta reason for Joey town or legit that you do not see him as scum for pulling a 180? This is a very sticky reason for what seems to be a stronger read on Joey so early.

My, is this what D1 is normally like? I should go back to hiding till D2 like usual.

 

[Kreative Whiz Kids]

So is this a meta reason for Joey town or legit that you do not see him as scum for pulling a 180? This is a very sticky reason for what seems to be a stronger read on Joey so early.

My, is this what D1 is normally like? I should go back to hiding till D2 like usual.

Not meta related at all, except I guess that if he were a "strong" player who liked to take risks it may be more of a null tell.

Just the fact that I don't see any scum player flipping a stance so fast like that.

 

[#HBC | J]

Then I will disagree with you on that point. Nothing more to really comment on that from my side, but I do not agree that it gives Joey any more "town" points then it would "scum" points.

 

[Kreative Whiz Kids]

Why would a scum player call someone town and then turn around a make a case on them?

Assuming scum players fake their reads, why would they put themselves at risk of being looked at funny for flip-flopping one around so quickly. If anything, they'd wait if they decided they want to pressure the slot they just called town.

 

[Dooms]

"Fanny, however, is truly interesting in his approach to the wagons and also his reasoning for going along with them. He hasn't even responded to KWK yet, but instead question the slot about a post which was pretty self-explanatory on what it means."

Have you said anything else besides this regarding the slot, J? I don't recall anything else besides this.

 

[Dooms]

"GG. Please report."

Feeding the enemy team with your mobile reading quality. Shame on you, J!

 

[#HBC | J]

Why would a scum player call someone town and then turn around a make a case on them?

Assuming scum players fake their reads, why would they put themselves at risk of being looked at funny for flip-flopping one around so quickly. If anything, they'd wait if they decided they want to pressure the slot they just called town.

I can honestly think of multiple occassions where I have "personally" done this as scum. That's just using my own self-meta and experience. I may just be that type of player though since I am very risky/ballsy as scum.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Why would a scum player call someone town and then turn around a make a case on them?

Assuming scum players fake their reads, why would they put themselves at risk of being looked at funny for flip-flopping one around so quickly. If anything, they'd wait if they decided they want to pressure the slot they just called town.

Wifom, please try again.

Whiz Kids, you guys are certainly thinking creatively, but like logic helps too.

 

[Kreative Whiz Kids]

Wifom, please try again.

Whiz Kids, you guys are certainly thinking creatively, but like logic helps too.

It may be WIFOM, but it's an action town could take instinctively, while scum would have to do it knowingly. I don't see Joey thinking of doing something like that. Call it WIFOM, but that's how I see it

 

[#HBC | J]

No, it's still definitely WIFOM. No matter how you see it or call it haha.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

This is the whole invalid argument thing going on in action. Trust me. If Joey is scum he'll prove himself and once you bring a tangible argument, we'll listen. But the argument as is holds no weight man.

 

[#HBC | J]

Celestia isn't right for this game. This is more of a Touko game.

"Fanny, however, is truly interesting in his approach to the wagons and also his reasoning for going along with them. He hasn't even responded to KWK yet, but instead question the slot about a post which was pretty self-explanatory on what it means."

Have you said anything else besides this regarding the slot, J? I don't recall anything else besides this.

It seems I was thinking it but never really posted it. I...well I just seriously put my foot into my mouth.

Yes, I have a problem with Fanny thus far as my least liked out of those posted thus far.

 

[Dooms]

Okay. Explain it to me. I don't get why I should be accusing you of crap like KWK's 121 when you have posted so little about it.

 

[BarDulL]

I don't know how but I somehow read "prick" as "town". Welp gg, please report. Anyways, so you are still pushing Gorf then? I would say that it still contrives an odd look from me because you have played with Gorf and you have seen him play this type of game before. However, you are really kind of reaching to call his play snarky. I mean, that's just Gorf. It's like trying to point out Marshy for being all swag or Gheb for being all salt. It just is like "welp". What I've yet to see from you is why Gorf is scummy. Nothing about his tone reaches me as scummy and nothing of his play thus far does that either. If you want me to seriously consider Gorf you have to bring up valid concern against him rather than these blight statements. You say "us vets are protecting", but I have to say we aren't really protecting, moreso just not going for faulty logic. Especially with my personal experience with Gorf, scum-reading him so quickly and brashly is haphazard. *shrug* I just do not agree to your push at the time because the logic behind it has no true ground to stand on.

I don't understand how you are construing Gorf's general attitude as anything but condescending most of the time. It's funny, except when you're on the receiving end of such treatment. Perhaps give it another read, given your capacity for reading seems short of the mark this time around, no offense intended; there is no reaching whatsoever from my personage.

Gorf intervened in legitimate early game pressure on the pretenses of "Frito is Town because they are intentionally acting ******** in order to bait votes." It is important to note that Gorf has since changed his position on his purported approach to the Frito slot, postulating that "it does not matter whether or not what they did was intentional because it accomplished early game discussion." This is odd for one big reason:

1. Not enough tangible discussion had occurred prior to Gorf intervening in early Ruy pressure.
2. He's claiming to not be reading into Frito's intentions and is giving Frito a free pass for reasons I feel are asinine and make completely zero sense. Reading into intent is extremely important in Mafia and Gorf should know better than to do this.

There's a fine line between scummy and dumb in this scenario, as is the case with what seems to be most of the time. I've been debating with myself about it for a while now. Gorf is obviously concerned with being interpreted as playing awful because it hurts his positioning, so he has tried to be condescending and relatively embarrassing in his approach in order to deflect pressure away from him and onto his presumed 'scum read' of myself, but I just don't get the general vibe that he's playing for Town for multiple reasons:

1. Gorf tried to cut off legitimate early game pressure as a means to try to put pressure on my slot. And for what? To assist Frito without presumably reading into his intentions? It literally makes no sense.
2. Deflecting pressure in a condescending manner when he has no right to be condescending.
3. Trying to change his rationale for assisting Frito after I argued his defense into the ground.

It just rubs off as scummy to me. I don't think it's dumb. He's not conceding that I'm right however, he's simply trying to avoid looking stupid for his own ego, and for what?

I want you, KWK, Circus, and No Hetero to explain why my reasoning is wrong. Prove to me one of two things:

1. Gorf was being stupid.

Or

2. Gorf wasn't being stupid, and that what he did (outside of atypical meta) has been extremely Town of him.

Because right now I don't see a reason for me not to think that Gorf is scum, and the only reason I can see you guys defending Gorf without substantiating yourselves is that Gorf is either your friend, elitism, or something else in that general spectrum that lays outside of the game. I don't want to hear meta bull****. I want you guys to explain to me why Gorf is fundamentally and inherently proven Town in this game, otherwise all of you should be ashamed of yourselves for trying to deflect pressure away from him when pressure is clearly building in his direction legitimately.

 

[Dooms]

Do you think Gord and Friday Townie are scum together, or is it just Gord?

 

[BarDulL]

Not enough information. Maybe I would have known if discussion hadn't been lead away from Frito with Frito's subsequent disappearance.

 

[Kreative Whiz Kids]

Mmmm Bardull so passionate. I smell misguided townies on the wind. Joey and Bardull, ahoy!

 

[Dooms]

Why would scum Gord protect town Friday Townie of all people?

 

[BarDulL]

Gorf would be attaining a team mate throughout the game that he would be able to use to fulfill his agenda. You would have to be a fool that bite the hand that feeds you.

 

[BarDulL]

to bite the hand that feeds you*

Look at their early game interaction to see what I'm talking about.

 

[#HBC | J]

I don't understand how you are construing Gorf's general attitude as anything but condescending most of the time. It's funny, except when you're on the receiving end of such treatment. Perhaps give it another read, given your capacity for reading seems short of the mark this time around, no offense intended; there is no reaching whatsoever from my personage.

I think it's been well over a year since I received the real "gorf snark" but the thing is Gorf has vastly improved as a player and therefore his snark isn't snark. It's sounded logic with a harsher tone. It's like that blunt chick everyone knows that speaks her mind and everyone loves her for it even though she can be a total *****. Ya see what I mean? And no offense taken at the reading thing, it seems I am reading things faster this game so I can remain caught up and still able to post.

Gorf intervened in legitimate early game pressure on the pretenses of "Frito is Town because they are intentionally acting ******** in order to bait votes." It is important to note that Gorf has since changed his position on his purported approach to the Frito slot, postulating that "it does not matter whether or not what they did was intentional because it accomplished early game discussion." This is odd for one big reason:

1. Not enough tangible discussion had occurred prior to Gorf intervening in early Ruy pressure.
2. He's claiming to not be reading into Frito's intentions and is giving Frito a free pass for reasons I feel are asinine and make completely zero sense. Reading into intent is extremely important in Mafia and Gorf should know better than to do this.

Would it help to say that I found Frito's play in the beginning of the dayphase more Dummy Townie rather than that of Scummy? Therefore, I have no qualms with Gorf's approach. It was just more outspoken then I would have been on something so early. Gorf is correct in saying that regardless of what they did, it postulated early game discussion and got things started (like your push on Gorf *hint hint*)

There's a fine line between scummy and dumb in this scenario, as is the case with what seems to be most of the time. I've been debating with myself about it for a while now. Gorf is obviously concerned with being interpreted as playing awful because it hurts his positioning, so he has tried to be condescending and relatively embarrassing in his approach in order to deflect pressure away from him and onto his presumed 'scum read' of myself, but I just don't get the general vibe that he's playing for Town for multiple reasons:

1. Gorf tried to cut off legitimate early game pressure as a means to try to put pressure on my slot. And for what? To assist Frito without presumably reading into his intentions? It literally makes no sense.
2. Deflecting pressure in a condescending manner when he has no right to be condescending.
3. Trying to change his rationale for assisting Frito after I argued his defense into the ground.

It just rubs off as scummy to me. I don't think it's dumb. He's not conceding that I'm right however, he's simply trying to avoid looking stupid for his own ego, and for what?

The thing that I continuously see is you trying to say Condescending = Scummy. That is my biggest concern with your case because as I said before that's literally calling Gorf scum for being Gorf. It's like the way people used to try to lynch me "Walls = scummy" thank god that fad lynch ran out because I would never live past D1. You want him to pat you on the back for you disagreeing with him and "argued his defense to the ground."? I mean if you had argued his defense to the ground there would be nobody like myself questioning your approach or anything but that isn't the case. I just agree with Gorf's side of the argument, not yours. I do not get why you keep on having me explain this over and over but it's the same thing with each post.

I want you, KWK, Circus, and No Hetero to explain why my reasoning is wrong. Prove to me one of two things:

1. Gorf was being stupid.

Or

2. Gorf wasn't being stupid, and that what he did (outside of atypical meta) has been extremely Town of him.

Because right now I don't see a reason for me not to think that Gorf is scum, and the only reason I can see you guys defending Gorf without substantiating yourselves is that Gorf is either your friend, elitism, or something else in that general spectrum that lays outside of the game. I don't want to hear meta bull****. I want you guys to explain to me why Gorf is fundamentally and inherently proven Town in this game, otherwise all of you should be ashamed of yourselves for trying to deflect pressure away from him when pressure is clearly building in his direction legitimately.

I have already explained. Also those two options are completely unfair for any of the people you have mentioned because it just 1.) Insults Gorf or 2.) Makes us have to say that Gorf is extremely Town an pg. 5. I have already given my opinion on Gorf based on meta and in-game reasoning. Not because of some elitist bull****. I mean I am usually excluded from the "elite" because I refuse to conform to the idiocy of some logic people use in DGames. Gorf is a buddy but that has nothing to do with that. I lynch even my IRL friends in DGames all the time so blah on that reasoning.

Basically, what I am saying is Gorf is a null read of mine and your case does nothing for me and will not doing anything for me until I see a better case and/or evidence as to why I want to lynch him. I am going to refrain from commenting on the Bardull/Gorf stuff untill you get what you want from KWK/Circus/No Hetero but I cannot really see it being much different then what I have posted. Plus Circus likes Gorf and KWK has yet to mention Gorf much either.

 

[BarDulL]

I mean, there's a million other reasons. This could also be an attempt to make it seem like there's no way that they'd be scum mates because "why would Gorf do that in RVS with his scum mate?" It's WIFOM, but not improbable.

This is what I mean when I say that cutting off avenues of approach leads to a lack of influx of information in circulation. It just inadvertently stagnates the day phase and it's piss poor play. Forming trusts and bonds is fine, but you NEED to let your team mates speak when they are being prodded by other players and not try to disrespectfully cut **** off. That is why I have not intervened in the Fandango push despite me thinking that KWK's push is pretty lame and boring, because at least Fandango RESPONDS to it instead of letting me do his job for him. See what I'm getting at?

 

[BarDulL]

I think it's been well over a year since I received the real "gorf snark" but the thing is Gorf has vastly improved as a player and therefore his snark isn't snark. It's sounded logic with a harsher tone. It's like that blunt chick everyone knows that speaks her mind and everyone loves her for it even though she can be a total *****. Ya see what I mean? And no offense taken at the reading thing, it seems I am reading things faster this game so I can remain caught up and still able to post.

A lot of people other than myself feel that he is being a prick. You haven't been reading. Raziek, BWolf, to name a few.

Would it help to say that I found Frito's play in the beginning of the dayphase more Dummy Townie rather than that of Scummy? Therefore, I have no qualms with Gorf's approach. It was just more outspoken then I would have been on something so early. Gorf is correct in saying that regardless of what they did, it postulated early game discussion and got things started (like your push on Gorf *hint hint*)

Not everyone thinks that way. Why couldn't it have been Frito putting out more content than was necessary because he's scum? Draw the distinction and elaborate, don't give me a half-baked cake and expect me and the others to eat it.

The thing that I continuously see is you trying to say Condescending = Scummy. That is my biggest concern with your case because as I said before that's literally calling Gorf scum for being Gorf. It's like the way people used to try to lynch me "Walls = scummy" thank god that fad lynch ran out because I would never live past D1. You want him to pat you on the back for you disagreeing with him and "argued his defense to the ground."? I mean if you had argued his defense to the ground there would be nobody like myself questioning your approach or anything but that isn't the case. I just agree with Gorf's side of the argument, not yours. I do not get why you keep on having me explain this over and over but it's the same thing with each post.

Any action isn't inherently scummy per se, it's the context behind the action is what makes it scummy. Gorf is being more condescending than usual as pressure picks up and specifically targets people pressuring his slot. It can just as easily be interpreted as a form of OMGUS and subsequently trying to push people in a corner while postulating "you're stupid" in order to get them to drop their push.

I have already explained. Also those two options are completely unfair for any of the people you have mentioned because it just 1.) Insults Gorf or 2.) Makes us have to say that Gorf is extremely Town an pg. 5. I have already given my opinion on Gorf based on meta and in-game reasoning. Not because of some elitist bull****. I mean I am usually excluded from the "elite" because I refuse to conform to the idiocy of some logic people use in DGames. Gorf is a buddy but that has nothing to do with that. I lynch even my IRL friends in DGames all the time so blah on that reasoning.

They aren't unfair. Gorf's play was bad. You can't objectively convince me otherwise here and you probably never will. There is no rhyme or reason for him to intervene in lines of approach. I am not trying to call him names or be defamatory.

Basically, what I am saying is Gorf is a null read of mine and your case does nothing for me and will not doing anything for me until I see a better case and/or evidence as to why I want to lynch him. I am going to refrain from commenting on the Bardull/Gorf stuff untill you get what you want from KWK/Circus/No Hetero but I cannot really see it being much different then what I have posted. Plus Circus likes Gorf and KWK has yet to mention Gorf much either.

I think you're just being dense and not thinking hard enough. I also don't get AT ALL how you're ok with "Circus likes Gorf" as a rationale for giving Gorf a pass. You're not even aware of Circus' alignment, are you?

 

[#HBC | J]

Bardull, I am just going to ask you nicely. Stop trying to force your opinion down my throat.

 

[No Hetero]

Vote: No Hetero

u dtf?

that's somethin I can get behind

but check it. it's time for bard to get ****ed right out of here

vote bard

 

[No Hetero]

original #hbc in the house baybey
don't let me down j. there's sex in it for you or something

 

[#HBC | J]

original #hbc in the house baybey
don't let me down j. there's sex in it for you or something

Gonna need clarification on the "or something" part....it's for the investigation....I swear.

 

[Dooms]

I like this. Nabe is the flirty one. Marshy just gets straight down to business.

 

[No Hetero]

Gonna need clarification on the "or something" part....it's for the investigation....I swear.

word. a treat of a free ride on the bucking bronco, last and win the grand prize. no women allowed tho
this is getting a little too fabulous @Nabe i'd appreciate a tap-in

 

[No Hetero]

word. a treat of a free ride on the bucking bronco, last and win the grand prize. no women allowed tho
this is getting a little too fabulous @Nabe i'd appreciate a tap-in

this is the case on bard
(it's my ****)

 

[#HBC | J]

Spoiler

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

HOLY **** I AM SO ANGRY. SMASHBOARDS JUST ATE AN HOUR LONG POST. **** THIS ****.

#****ingCAPSLOCK

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Holy ****ing hell am I angry, but I'm going to reconstruct this *****. UGH I HATE THIS SO MUCH SOMETIMES.

#anger

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