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Radical's Radical Kingmaker { ASSASSINS WIN SOME RADICAL TIMES }
- Thread starter RadicalRat
- Start date
Yup, pointed that out earlier and the game hasn't progressed much. It's unfortunate that our Queen is sick and we have someone who is AFK a majority of the time. I swear, if Orbo was just coasting and I didn't push for his death hard enough, I'm gonna be upset.
Also, just clarifying, we should NOT roleclaim. If the assassins figure out who the hero is, we're toast, so only claim in the event that the Queen has confirmed that she is ready to kill you.
SangfroidWarrior
you should ask for a role claim before killing someone off; I neglected to do that.
Orboknown
Smash Hero
Through 7 and calling it a night
I like gheb and maven. Id probably put generic third there
I like gheb and maven. Id probably put generic third there
SangfroidWarrior
Smash Journeyman
I just finished my re-read, and my feelings on people have changed and they are as follows.
1) Generic - Strong Town Lean
2) Spak - Town Lean
3) Gheb - Slight Town Lean
4) Orbo - Null
5) Maven - Strong Scum Lean
The two to really change from this are Spak and Generic, and I'll attempt to explain this to the best of my ability (I'm still pretty sick, so my apologies if I don't make sense sometimes).
First, Spak. Throughout D1, he consistently worked with town and kept his thoughts and plans known (more or less) to all of town, allowing for a continued discussion that was led in a direction where something would result from it. He has really interesting insights and seems to be making every effort to progress town. Again, the only thing is me just wanting to see his interactions outside of being a King.
Second, Generic. This one I did a complete 180 on and it has everything to do with me previously focusing on the few things from his slot that I thought were scummy. His early posts were somewhat non-committal, but with respect to the Maven and Zalek thing, in my opinion he makes very strong points. For example, the comment about strawmanning (which has been discussed earlier). I will get into this more in a bit, but I think Maven has made multiple mistakes regarding how he has read a person's posts, to the point that it comes off as intentional. In general, I think my biggest beef with Generic was him not posting D1, and, even though I don't agree with everything he says, he is looking hard into the game and obviously willing to sort of... not really fight the status quo but I guess to not be comfortable with sitting on old reads.
My view of Gheb has not really changed. While I agree and understand some of what he is saying, there are some points and questions that he asks that are... bizarre to me. He also seems very willing to shut down conversations that he doesn't think are important. Regardless of that, I have a slight town lean on him because I get a good feeling from his posts but there are a few things that continue to make me wary of him. Although I couldn't find anything specific, I can't help but still be nervous.
Even after re-reading, I still have a null read on Orbo. There's nothing of his that I can really pin down that have made a big difference to the way I view his slot or that give me a real insight into how he's thinking. While this could be him simply being busy, as Spak said it could also be scumminess simply coasting. Again, I'm not entirely comfortable with executing his slot toDay because executing for lack of posting at a possible MyLo situation is, in my opinion, very bad because it's more of an unknown than something we can figure out. But, I can understand that letting him go until further in the game would also be bad. Definitely somebody that we should focus on.
Maven is my biggest scum read out of everyone. As I said earlier, it seems like a lot of Maven's posts have been either based around not understanding a person's post/comment or focusing on things only surrounding him. I commented on this earlier, I believe, but at one point he comes out of nowhere saying "I'm actually fine with executing Generic right now" which I find inherently scummy because we lose extra days to look into other possible directions. He later refutes this, but points out Generic doing this as well, this time calling it scummy. He makes the "townslip" that has been discussed earlier which, by itself, doesn't have much merit but when looking at the other mistakes he has made, I start to believe he either isn't reading the thread or is just skipping over important arguments to make it seem like he's doing scumhunting. He continually makes comments regarding not understanding why people may have him up for possibility to lynch, but doesn't look to examine their opinions or posts. And, throughout most of the day I was unable to see what his thoughts were on players besides a few scum reads that seemed to change a lot without making solid stances. Even toDay, he has yet to explain why he thinks we should execute Generic. It's all started to seem very intentional and I definitely think he's, in my opinion, a possible execution target.
Moving on to questions.
Generic, please respond to my question in 544. Maven, please do the same.
Could the people that have Generic as scum (I believe that's at least Spak and Gheb, along with Maven) go more in depth of why? I really don't see it, but if so many people believe it there must be a reason.
1) Generic - Strong Town Lean
2) Spak - Town Lean
3) Gheb - Slight Town Lean
4) Orbo - Null
5) Maven - Strong Scum Lean
The two to really change from this are Spak and Generic, and I'll attempt to explain this to the best of my ability (I'm still pretty sick, so my apologies if I don't make sense sometimes).
First, Spak. Throughout D1, he consistently worked with town and kept his thoughts and plans known (more or less) to all of town, allowing for a continued discussion that was led in a direction where something would result from it. He has really interesting insights and seems to be making every effort to progress town. Again, the only thing is me just wanting to see his interactions outside of being a King.
Second, Generic. This one I did a complete 180 on and it has everything to do with me previously focusing on the few things from his slot that I thought were scummy. His early posts were somewhat non-committal, but with respect to the Maven and Zalek thing, in my opinion he makes very strong points. For example, the comment about strawmanning (which has been discussed earlier). I will get into this more in a bit, but I think Maven has made multiple mistakes regarding how he has read a person's posts, to the point that it comes off as intentional. In general, I think my biggest beef with Generic was him not posting D1, and, even though I don't agree with everything he says, he is looking hard into the game and obviously willing to sort of... not really fight the status quo but I guess to not be comfortable with sitting on old reads.
My view of Gheb has not really changed. While I agree and understand some of what he is saying, there are some points and questions that he asks that are... bizarre to me. He also seems very willing to shut down conversations that he doesn't think are important. Regardless of that, I have a slight town lean on him because I get a good feeling from his posts but there are a few things that continue to make me wary of him. Although I couldn't find anything specific, I can't help but still be nervous.
Even after re-reading, I still have a null read on Orbo. There's nothing of his that I can really pin down that have made a big difference to the way I view his slot or that give me a real insight into how he's thinking. While this could be him simply being busy, as Spak said it could also be scumminess simply coasting. Again, I'm not entirely comfortable with executing his slot toDay because executing for lack of posting at a possible MyLo situation is, in my opinion, very bad because it's more of an unknown than something we can figure out. But, I can understand that letting him go until further in the game would also be bad. Definitely somebody that we should focus on.
Maven is my biggest scum read out of everyone. As I said earlier, it seems like a lot of Maven's posts have been either based around not understanding a person's post/comment or focusing on things only surrounding him. I commented on this earlier, I believe, but at one point he comes out of nowhere saying "I'm actually fine with executing Generic right now" which I find inherently scummy because we lose extra days to look into other possible directions. He later refutes this, but points out Generic doing this as well, this time calling it scummy. He makes the "townslip" that has been discussed earlier which, by itself, doesn't have much merit but when looking at the other mistakes he has made, I start to believe he either isn't reading the thread or is just skipping over important arguments to make it seem like he's doing scumhunting. He continually makes comments regarding not understanding why people may have him up for possibility to lynch, but doesn't look to examine their opinions or posts. And, throughout most of the day I was unable to see what his thoughts were on players besides a few scum reads that seemed to change a lot without making solid stances. Even toDay, he has yet to explain why he thinks we should execute Generic. It's all started to seem very intentional and I definitely think he's, in my opinion, a possible execution target.
Moving on to questions.
Generic, please respond to my question in 544. Maven, please do the same.
Could the people that have Generic as scum (I believe that's at least Spak and Gheb, along with Maven) go more in depth of why? I really don't see it, but if so many people believe it there must be a reason.
SangfroidWarrior
Smash Journeyman
R
RadicalRat
I'm sorry, just to clarify, deadline is Friday by midnight?
If I were scum, and I decided to fake a townslip, I would just put it out there. Not point back to it and cite it as proof, but let it be in the back of everyones' minds, giving him passive town cred, so to speak. That's what he seems to have done. Or, it could have been an actual slip. I don't think it connects to Gheb.
Sang, what points of mine specifically against Maven do you like?
Both of you have Maven as your only scum-read right now?
Nvm, Generic has Sang as a scumread which is probably fair game at this point.
Not impressed by Sang's case on Maven. Not like the points are wrong or anything but I don't see why it'd take so long for her to come up with it. All of her points could've easily been made yesterDay where they would've been much more useful. None of her conclusions required a reread ... unless she had just glossed/skimmed over it back then. Looks like either a bus attempt or just BS imo.
Not impressed by Sang's case on Maven. Not like the points are wrong or anything but I don't see why it'd take so long for her to come up with it. All of her points could've easily been made yesterDay where they would've been much more useful. None of her conclusions required a reread ... unless she had just glossed/skimmed over it back then. Looks like either a bus attempt or just BS imo.
And just as I hit the reply button I realize that at this point it'd make precious little sense for scum!Sang to bus her scumbuddy so it's probably something different.
Wondering what Generic makes of all this considering Sang and Maven are his two scumreads ...
Wondering what Generic makes of all this considering Sang and Maven are his two scumreads ...
Orboknown
Smash Hero
That has no bearing on this game whatsoever especially since I'm going to be in a hydra
So you're saying you won't take time to read Blazblue? Time you spend participating in that game will be time you could have spent in this game, so it will effect this game. I'm fed up with you saying "I'll do more tomorrow" and not ever delivering on your promise. You've had two weeks and I've still seen VERY little significance from you. I've never had this problem with you, Orbo, and I've never seen you alone as Mafia before.
If you knew you were going to be this busy, you should have replaced out or not signed up at all. If you're scum, congrats for making the game more boring and possibly winning for it. If you're town, I'm sorely disappointed in you.
Orboknown
Smash Hero
If thisgame wasnt what it was in terms of replacability or the ounishments to slots, I'd probably have replaced out a while ago. Don't judge me in everything based on this game, just let the game be the game.
I'm not sure what I make of it myself. A bus right now would be strategically questionable to say the least, so we'll see.And just as I hit the reply button I realize that at this point it'd make precious little sense for scum!Sang to bus her scumbuddy so it's probably something different.
Wondering what Generic makes of all this considering Sang and Maven are his two scumreads ...
This is again applicable:
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SangfroidWarrior
Smash Journeyman
Kaladin
That makes sense. Thanks. I will get a response to you in a bit. I'm at an event for my school and can't look into it atm.I currently have Maven as my only scum read. It "took me so long" to come up with the case because yesterDay I was focused on other things and unable to look at Maven's posts as a whole. When I did my read, one thing I focused on was looking at his slot and the decisions and comments that he's made, and that is the result.
Spak
~ Gheb ~
Maven89
please respond to my question. Especially Maven.http://smashboards.com/threads/radi...me-radical-times.417876/page-13#post-20290506
That post sums up my thoughts on Generic.
That post sums up my thoughts on Generic.
RadicalRat
Smash Journeyman
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Correct.
Here are my big things against Generic:
QUOTE="*GenericHandle*, post: 20252235, member: 283701"]first, they're going to respond to the case I made.[/quote]
Death threats are not necessary to do that.
Post #183 expressed all of J's concerns with Generic's slot (which were all valid and points I still hold against him), and to that he responded with J "Twisting his words", then changed it to "Twisting of intentions". Also, thanks for making me go back and look because I just found a nice little bit that the thread almost forgot about:
Also, the push against Maven seemed very weak, the strawman was a false claim, he backtracked like a madman D1, and then when there was pressure on him, he simply left. He came back to a thread without a J (his main investigator), which I will remind you, the scumteam attempted to kill before the modkill, and I foolishly killed Zalak. Since his return, he hasn't seemed as scummy, but he also hasn't been put under nearly as much pressure.
I already mentioned this in the thread, but suggesting a state in which someone is a confirmed townie is a dangerous game to be playing and it seemed that he wanted to have a confirmed townie if they were king and killed a scum.
QUOTE="*GenericHandle*, post: 20252235, member: 283701"]first, they're going to respond to the case I made.[/quote]
Death threats are not necessary to do that.
Post #183 expressed all of J's concerns with Generic's slot (which were all valid and points I still hold against him), and to that he responded with J "Twisting his words", then changed it to "Twisting of intentions". Also, thanks for making me go back and look because I just found a nice little bit that the thread almost forgot about:
This bit right here. Generic said that he wasn't looking for any reads; why would he not be looking for reads? That's sorta the point of Mafia, unless you already know everyone's alignment.
Also, the push against Maven seemed very weak, the strawman was a false claim, he backtracked like a madman D1, and then when there was pressure on him, he simply left. He came back to a thread without a J (his main investigator), which I will remind you, the scumteam attempted to kill before the modkill, and I foolishly killed Zalak. Since his return, he hasn't seemed as scummy, but he also hasn't been put under nearly as much pressure.
I also don't like this. I understand tagging someone when you are directly addressing them with your own content or reads, but telling someone to defend himself twice when the monarch already tagged him asking a question seems more like a boy sneering at another kid who got in trouble with the teacher while he got away rather than asking someone to answer a question with honest intent.
Sang, although somewhat absent throughout the game, has provided a lot of townie content, things to go off of, and while she hasn't pushed much herself, I'd say she's contributed a decent amount to the town's cause.Orboknown elaborate on your sang read
SangfroidWarrior
Smash Journeyman
Alright, sorry for just now getting to this. It's really two points that you made when I was reading through that helped me realize that maybe Maven wasn't making simple mistakes and that I needed to focus on him more. The first is in 171 where you state that Maven was strawmanning Zalak. The second is a post (toDay I believe) where you comment about Maven making the manufactured town slip. Initially, I thought both were just Maven being genuinely confused or not understanding, but this gave me pause and made me read Maven closer.
~ Gheb ~
thanks. Wasn't sure if there was more. Out of your scum reads, who do you think is most important to target?
Spak
....hmmm.... that's actually really interesting. I don't necessarily agree with all of your points, but I understand where you're coming from. Who, then, do you think should be the target of execution toDay? Do you still think Orbo would be the best?Honestly, we have, I think, only a little over 24 hours to find scum toDay. Unless Maven and Orbo start posting some (I understand Orbo I guess, but I'm super confused as to Maven's sudden disappearance), we aren't going to get anywhere and then we may be in a very bad place.
I think Generic is the best bet at the moment because Orbo looks more uninterested than scummy (although inactivity could still be a scum sign), but it's your final decision. If you're wrong, town is screwed. If you're right, town may be screwed but at least we have another chance.
SangfroidWarrior
Smash Journeyman
That's my fear. And, whereas yesterDay I could see a lot of town-intent, toDay I'm seeing more scum-intent and it's making it hard to distinguish and make reads. At the moment, I'm just trying to follow my gut.
What do you think of my case against Maven? I'm asking because I want a different viewpoint than Generic's and you've previously held Maven as null, IIRC.
What do you think of my case against Maven? I'm asking because I want a different viewpoint than Generic's and you've previously held Maven as null, IIRC.
I think you case against Maven seems pretty good and he could also be a fairly good target for today, but I'm not sure which is worse; someone who left the thread when his pursuers got hot on his heels, had scum reads on lots of now confirmed townies, and has backtracked significantly, someone who has not read the thread a whole lot but has been here the whole time, hasn't explained his reads all that well, and has also backtracked, or an AFK?
Eh, I think there won't be a way around executing Orbo at this rate. Pretty much everybody has him as completely null and is basically waiting for him to do, well ... just about anything, really. I can understand if that happens on Day 1 or something but past a certain point, with a certain amount of flips there really isn't a plausible justification for that. If he's really just flat-out inactive ... with a reason to be so ... he could've asked for replacement a while ago. Instead he kept promising content that never came. There simply isn't a way for me to not find that suspicious, even if I had read Orbo as town previously.
I find his "play" to be pretty scummy [especially since in addition of his refusal to play, all his stances on D1 have been extremely safe and non-commiting] but at this point he should be executed regardless, if only out of sheer necessity.
I find his "play" to be pretty scummy [especially since in addition of his refusal to play, all his stances on D1 have been extremely safe and non-commiting] but at this point he should be executed regardless, if only out of sheer necessity.
Orboknown
Smash Hero
I legit fell asleep reading last night D: sorry guys
SangfroidWarrior
Smash Journeyman
I'm still really nervous about executing a mostly inactive player at a possible MyLo situation. And, I mean, at this point I think Maven can be considered inactive, which is super lame.
Lol Orbo. I wish I could have fallen asleep last night. Got like two hours of sleep. Because you're kind of here, why should we execute Maven over you?
Lol Orbo. I wish I could have fallen asleep last night. Got like two hours of sleep. Because you're kind of here, why should we execute Maven over you?
Why are you so scummy?
Seriously though, and this goes for
~ Gheb ~
as well, why kill null inactivity over actual scumminess in a MyLo situation?I actually changed my mind about who to lynch yesterday; I said you would be the best bets in post #586, and agreed the argument against Maven was good in #588. His subsequent inactivity to the push against him doesn't bode well for his slot's allignment, but oh well.Why are you so scummy?
Seriously though, and this goes for
SangfroidWarrior
Smash Journeyman
I'm gonna try to give Orbo and Maven as much time as possible, but idk how long I'll be able to stay awake. If deadline is 11:59PM EST, we have less than 12 hours.
R RadicalRat is a prod at all possible for Maven?
R RadicalRat is a prod at all possible for Maven?
SangfroidWarrior
Smash Journeyman
Do we still even do prods?
I wish I had more questions for people but it seems that when I'm able to post other people get busy, and there's really no more content that I can go off of.
I wish I had more questions for people but it seems that when I'm able to post other people get busy, and there's really no more content that I can go off of.
Most games do prods, but I'm not sure if this game does.Do we still even do prods?
I wish I had more questions for people but it seems that when I'm able to post other people get busy, and there's really no more content that I can go off of.
I don't consider Orbo null ...Why are you so scummy?
Seriously though, and this goes for
Maven89
Smash Master
Nah I'm here, I'm read up. Count me in, I'll be here answering questions
It's 6 alive, 2 scum. So if we kill a townie and the kingmaker picks a scum for tomorrow we automatically lose. If he picks town then it's a 1/3 choice.
I'm not going to talk about me not realizing there's a NK because there's nothing to say. I thought the game was a completely different setup and there's nothing to be realized from that.
I haven't understood the points against me because they seemed to not be relevant at all. I don't know how people can say I wasn't scum hunting, I was one of the primary forces behind the Zalak lynch. I don't see how being interested in if I die or not can be considered scummy.
I'm not so sure on Generic really, right now I'm more curious with Gheb. He gave me a very soft defense that seemed out of place, especially with it's soft attack on Sang.
Orbo lynch can happen if needed
It's 6 alive, 2 scum. So if we kill a townie and the kingmaker picks a scum for tomorrow we automatically lose. If he picks town then it's a 1/3 choice.
I'm not going to talk about me not realizing there's a NK because there's nothing to say. I thought the game was a completely different setup and there's nothing to be realized from that.
I haven't understood the points against me because they seemed to not be relevant at all. I don't know how people can say I wasn't scum hunting, I was one of the primary forces behind the Zalak lynch. I don't see how being interested in if I die or not can be considered scummy.
I'm not so sure on Generic really, right now I'm more curious with Gheb. He gave me a very soft defense that seemed out of place, especially with it's soft attack on Sang.
Orbo lynch can happen if needed