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Racine, WI Real $125 Bonus M.P.S Tournament 04/14/07!!!
- Thread starter Devildigimon
- Start date
ganon is ****ing low tier. get over it, tiers do exist.
Sheik_the_Geek
Smash Journeyman
They exsist, but its up to the guy or guys running the tournament wether they actually matter or not. If they guy running it says no they dont, well then hey guess what, they dont...Of course thats only assuming you actually participate in the tournament, not saying you are.
Tapion013
Smash Lord
In this tournament, it's already been stated it matters because low tier gets a bonus. Ganon however is not low tier... ignore undefined he just wants to start crap in as many threads as he can... He's not coming anyway...
Sheik_the_Geek
Smash Journeyman
These trolls need something else better to do.
Quaz
Smash Master
C'mon Tap he's just trying to have a little fun!!
like me cuz I say peach is low tier (she really.. really.. does suck)
like me cuz I say peach is low tier (she really.. really.. does suck)
Tapion013
Smash Lord
Your definitions of fun aren't comparable...
Jazzness
Smash Ace
<3 Tapion
Do we have a confirmed head count so far?
I think I might show up for this. And bring some people.
What'cha think?
Do we have a confirmed head count so far?
I think I might show up for this. And bring some people.
What'cha think?
Tapion013
Smash Lord
<3 Jazzness
Apparently they're already expecting between 20-30 people.
Bring as many as you want! :-D Just don't beat me cuz I want mah money!
Edit: If I win I'm sure I'll end up giving second some extra again... Wonder how many will do the same :-P
Apparently they're already expecting between 20-30 people.
Bring as many as you want! :-D Just don't beat me cuz I want mah money!
Edit: If I win I'm sure I'll end up giving second some extra again... Wonder how many will do the same :-P
Jazzness
Smash Ace
I'd do the same. But only for teh Tapion! (:
Tapion013
Smash Lord
<3
See you Saturday
See you Saturday
Xtra
Smash Ace
spikes...u still goin...can i still get a ride.....anyone wanna team?
Sheik_the_Geek
Smash Journeyman
We really dont have a confirmed head count, simple because so many peole havent actually confirmed they were gonna make it and how many peole they were bringing with them, Ive been trying to keep up with how many people said that they can make it, but its just a guess so far...a little over 30 atm.
Quaz
Smash Master
andrew and robert are going count them in
Sheik_the_Geek
Smash Journeyman
Ill make sure to do that, I actualyl have to talk to odie tomorrow and make sure hes got the place cleaned up.
Tapion013
Smash Lord
remember teams is sunday
alcheato
Smash Ace
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Ah..this is actually good news for me. Also, out of curiosity, when it says "An EXTRA $25 cash bonus to 1st place - regardless of how many participants enter this tournament...IF YOU WIN WITH A LOW - TIER CHARACTER" does that mean the winner has to play low tier all tourney or just for the finals? lol I'd love to play some of the better players' low tier characters.
Jazzness
Smash Ace
Alberto, are you planning on attending Saturday or Sunday?
Sheik_the_Geek
Smash Journeyman
You'll have to ask Webster on that one, Im pretty sure its the whole tournament...but its really not specified on the advertisement.
alcheato
Smash Ace
- Joined
- Nov 11, 2005
- Messages
- 525
Possibly both. Depends on the weather and what people are doing those days.
EDIT: We should get some practice in before then if possible. Always a pleasure getting pwned by your fox.
Jazzness
Smash Ace
Can anyone offer housing for Saturday night?
Alberto, lemme check with Dan and see what he's doing for rides 'n stuff, k?
Alberto, lemme check with Dan and see what he's doing for rides 'n stuff, k?
kamikaze falco
Smash Lord
hmmm let me see how far this is from me.
EDIT It's 6 hours away from me. But I didn't realize the date. I really can't do anything april or first two weeks in may because of school. I'm willing to travel during later part of may, june, july. I want to go to st louis. 3 hrs. Fc7 is the only tourney I know that's going on during the summer.
EDIT It's 6 hours away from me. But I didn't realize the date. I really can't do anything april or first two weeks in may because of school. I'm willing to travel during later part of may, june, july. I want to go to st louis. 3 hrs. Fc7 is the only tourney I know that's going on during the summer.
Jazzness
Smash Ace
You're looking at a minimum of 7 hours, Kami.
Webster,
Can we negotiate the pot split %ages? I feel that the additional %age discrepencies between each ranking is extremely discouraging to people who don't expect to place any higher than third.
Tapion and Rick (undefined) both agree that the current prize split is too uneven, although we might not exactly have the same recommendation on HOW to split the pot up.
The typical pot split is 60/30/10, which often ensures that 3rd place gets their entry fee back (10 people playing at $10 a-piece, as a guideline). HOWEVER, in the case of bonus cash, I believe the pot needs to be shared even more evenly than that.
MINUMUM Cash outflow for this tournament:
$2 (automatic deduction, not added to the jackpot)
$8 (entry fee)
$5 gas money
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$15 MINIMUM just to attend and play at the tournament, not including people's need to feed themselves a meal.
Realistically, you're looking at $15 to 25.
As far as profit's concerned:
At n = 15 participants, c = $8, Total = $120
1st = $90, 2nd = $24, 3rd = $6
(This isn't counting the +$25 bonus for having 15 people)
At n = 20 participants, c = $8, Total = 160
1st = $120, 2nd = $32, 3rd = $8
(This isn't counting the +$25 bonus for having 20 people)
As you can see, that's not much of an incentive for others to attend this tournament ... especially with Tapion, myself, and Cap'n Awesome all planning on attending.
My recommendation is to reduce the 1st place % win, and split the pot 40/30/20/10 (paying all the way to 4th place)
At n = 15 participants, c = $8, Total = $120
1st = $48, 2nd = $36, 3rd = $24, 4th = $12
And 1st would be $73 after you add in the +$25 bonus cash.
That's still a huge margin above 2nd place.
Furthermore, in comparisen to n = 15, c = $8, at the standard 60% for first place,
first place comes to $72. Just about perfect, no?
Net Gain (subtract minimum cash outflow)
1st = $58, 2nd = $21, 3rd = $9, 4th = -$3
If participants feel they can at least pay off their entry + door fee, they'll be more inclined to participate in a tournament they have to travel an hour or so to get to.
Please consider it, Webster.
Webster,
Can we negotiate the pot split %ages? I feel that the additional %age discrepencies between each ranking is extremely discouraging to people who don't expect to place any higher than third.
Tapion and Rick (undefined) both agree that the current prize split is too uneven, although we might not exactly have the same recommendation on HOW to split the pot up.
The typical pot split is 60/30/10, which often ensures that 3rd place gets their entry fee back (10 people playing at $10 a-piece, as a guideline). HOWEVER, in the case of bonus cash, I believe the pot needs to be shared even more evenly than that.
MINUMUM Cash outflow for this tournament:
$2 (automatic deduction, not added to the jackpot)
$8 (entry fee)
$5 gas money
----
$15 MINIMUM just to attend and play at the tournament, not including people's need to feed themselves a meal.
Realistically, you're looking at $15 to 25.
As far as profit's concerned:
At n = 15 participants, c = $8, Total = $120
1st = $90, 2nd = $24, 3rd = $6
(This isn't counting the +$25 bonus for having 15 people)
At n = 20 participants, c = $8, Total = 160
1st = $120, 2nd = $32, 3rd = $8
(This isn't counting the +$25 bonus for having 20 people)
As you can see, that's not much of an incentive for others to attend this tournament ... especially with Tapion, myself, and Cap'n Awesome all planning on attending.
My recommendation is to reduce the 1st place % win, and split the pot 40/30/20/10 (paying all the way to 4th place)
At n = 15 participants, c = $8, Total = $120
1st = $48, 2nd = $36, 3rd = $24, 4th = $12
And 1st would be $73 after you add in the +$25 bonus cash.
That's still a huge margin above 2nd place.
Furthermore, in comparisen to n = 15, c = $8, at the standard 60% for first place,
first place comes to $72. Just about perfect, no?
Net Gain (subtract minimum cash outflow)
1st = $58, 2nd = $21, 3rd = $9, 4th = -$3
If participants feel they can at least pay off their entry + door fee, they'll be more inclined to participate in a tournament they have to travel an hour or so to get to.
Please consider it, Webster.
Sheik_the_Geek
Smash Journeyman
I believe webster himself is offering housing, but you'll have to get in touch with him...as for pot split, this was decided over 2 months ago and we had go through all this with Odie himself in advance, I highly doubt we could change it now even if we wanted too.
Hank McCoy
Smash Ace
im not going, but i know that tapion also thinks the pot split is ridiculously bad.
and lol@ not being able to change it cuz its been this way for a long time. hell, if u wanted to chagne it right before the tourney started you could.
and lol@ not being able to change it cuz its been this way for a long time. hell, if u wanted to chagne it right before the tourney started you could.
Sheik_the_Geek
Smash Journeyman
Webster would have to do so and talk with odie before doing, is the situation most of you are not aware of...we pretty much have run EVERYTHING by Odie, the guy thats letting us use his place, if we were to make any changes to the tournament...now only 2 days away. Im not in charge of this one, so I cant do it...but I do talk to odie.
That being said I just got done talking to him, un-beknown to the rest of you, hes actually dont some re-cronstruction to his place so now theres more room (not for smash bros mind you, he could really care less), but hes been really busy cleaning up all the wood and stuff hes had to tear down from his store to get ready for saturday, this brings me to sunday...Odiez saying that teams on sunday was not talked over with him and of course, hes not planning on keeping the store open all day sunday. On Sunday he wont let us stay past 3 or 4 pm, because he has other stuff to do. So im not even sure right now if teams on sunday are gonna be a possibility, even based on attendance, we would have to finish teams in 3 or 4 hours.
CWolf20
Smash Journeyman
Two things:
1) I agree with Jazzness. Pot splits at Smash tournaments are absurd. Top 2 getting almost all of the money makes it so basically no one else has a chance to even make their money back. I see way more appeal to the majority of players if more people have a chance to win money. If you want higher attendance, paying more people is the way to go. I think setting the % beforehand is a mistake, because you should be paying more people depending on how many people show up. In my opinion, approximately 15-20% of the people in the tournament should be getting paid out, with the last guy just getting his money back.
2) I can't make it. I really wanted to, but another obligation came up because of poor planning on other people's parts. I hate people.
1) I agree with Jazzness. Pot splits at Smash tournaments are absurd. Top 2 getting almost all of the money makes it so basically no one else has a chance to even make their money back. I see way more appeal to the majority of players if more people have a chance to win money. If you want higher attendance, paying more people is the way to go. I think setting the % beforehand is a mistake, because you should be paying more people depending on how many people show up. In my opinion, approximately 15-20% of the people in the tournament should be getting paid out, with the last guy just getting his money back.
2) I can't make it. I really wanted to, but another obligation came up because of poor planning on other people's parts. I hate people.
Sheik_the_Geek
Smash Journeyman
I already plan on making pot splits based on a turn-out for all future tournaments ran by myself, decisions will be based on a majority vote (and Odie) by the people that actually show up. To be perfectly honest, theres no set way to determine pay outs, at least not when dealing with you guys 
...so this way seems the easiest and most fair.
...so this way seems the easiest and most fair.Tapion013
Smash Lord
60/30/10 minus entree fee/entree fee is the general agreed upon number. Often 4th places entree fee is gotten rid of, but to have 1/5 of the smashers get their money back will bring less competition. The reason big smashers go is for big money which in itself leads to big competition. If you think Forward would have come from Arizona to play in SMYM while 25 smashers got money back... well it wouldn't have happened.
That sucks. Sorry we won't see you there.
Edit: As for the distribution of money... I don't see why Odie would even care who the money was distributed, it's not like first place giving second or third any more money is gonna come out of his pocket. Don't worry jazzy, we'll work something out after the fact.
Sheik_the_Geek
Smash Journeyman
Odie in fact doesnt care how the money is divided up, but it has to be decided before the tournament actually starts and we have to run it by him regardless of the decision, I've talked to him pretty much every weekend leading up to this, even though im not running this tournament...webster, at least from what odie has said, hasnt contacted him at all since who knows when...so its websters decision if he wants to change it or not and get in contact with Odie sometime tomorrow...by which I mean today.
Jazzness
Smash Ace
Sorry guys, but I've decided not to attend this one.
I'll see you at Huge Johnz, Tap ... maybe sometime in-between. Good luck!
I'll see you at Huge Johnz, Tap ... maybe sometime in-between. Good luck!
Sheik_the_Geek
Smash Journeyman
I hope to see everyone whos planning to attend bright and early later today.
Xtra
Smash Ace
yeah i dont think im comming either
Tapion013
Smash Lord
I dunno if April 14th is like some kind of smasher's holiday, but only 6 people were there including myself for smash... sort of already gave shouts to everyone so... yeah...gg I guess
1.) Tapion
2.) Mundungu
3.) Sheik_The_Geek
1.) Tapion
2.) Mundungu
3.) Sheik_The_Geek
Mundungu
Smash Lord
Yea, 6 people was pretty bottom tier...
It was still good to play everyone again. Everyone's gotten so much better. I still had fun.
Shoutouts (to everyone):
Tapion: Grats on the low tier win. I can't believe how I lost that bowser match
. O well, that's what I do. Those friendlies were very fun. As usual, thanks for all the tips. They obviously help out a ton.
Shiek: Your shiek has gotten a lot better again. You've got some good combos with her. You just need to mix up your techs a lot more (you always tech left), and please, stay away from the zelda
Andrew: Good to play you again. You played well against me, I got grabbed a lot. I guess it just wasn't your day overall.
Rob: You've got a pretty good fox going. You just need better tech skill. Lots and lots and lots of tech. Your shine spikes kept you in every match.
Webster: Thanks for running the tourney, even though only 6 people showed up... It was good to play you again, you just need to stick to a character. You kind of counterpicked yourself against me (fox > falcon and peach).
That's everyone. Hopefully more than 6 people show up next time!
It was still good to play everyone again. Everyone's gotten so much better. I still had fun.
Shoutouts (to everyone):
Tapion: Grats on the low tier win. I can't believe how I lost that bowser match
. O well, that's what I do. Those friendlies were very fun. As usual, thanks for all the tips. They obviously help out a ton. Shiek: Your shiek has gotten a lot better again. You've got some good combos with her. You just need to mix up your techs a lot more (you always tech left), and please, stay away from the zelda
Andrew: Good to play you again. You played well against me, I got grabbed a lot. I guess it just wasn't your day overall.
Rob: You've got a pretty good fox going. You just need better tech skill. Lots and lots and lots of tech. Your shine spikes kept you in every match.
Webster: Thanks for running the tourney, even though only 6 people showed up... It was good to play you again, you just need to stick to a character. You kind of counterpicked yourself against me (fox > falcon and peach).
That's everyone. Hopefully more than 6 people show up next time!
Sheik_the_Geek
Smash Journeyman
I practice when I can and more importantly when I remember too, im sure if I played everyday I would be alot better than now, but with Brawl looming on the horizon I just dont have the motivation to even try at SSBM most of the time.
I guess teching left is just a bad habit from always being on the right side of the map, oh well...I only switch to Zelda to either recover or spam fari/bair...doesnt work too good on Fox though >_>
EDIT: Before I gforget, I should have a solid date for the May tournament up tomorrow, it will no longer be May 12th as noted, since Ill be attending ACEN as will webster...and having odie by himself running a trounement isnt the greatest idea.
I guess teching left is just a bad habit from always being on the right side of the map, oh well...I only switch to Zelda to either recover or spam fari/bair...doesnt work too good on Fox though >_>
EDIT: Before I gforget, I should have a solid date for the May tournament up tomorrow, it will no longer be May 12th as noted, since Ill be attending ACEN as will webster...and having odie by himself running a trounement isnt the greatest idea.
eighteenspikes
Smash Master
6 people? That's too bad, considering this has been advertised since February. I had 6 people at the absolutely non-advertised smashfest at my house just last Thursday.
What did the payouts end up being?
What did the payouts end up being?
Tapion013
Smash Lord
34 + 25 for winning with low tier
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Devildigimon
Smash Lord
I freakin can't believe how many people didn't show up to this tournament. That really pissed me off, but you know what I had fun anyways:
shout outs:
Tapion: Good times as usual! Buffet is a tradition. And Paul's was fun too. Making my friend quit smash was pretty funny...LOL! I'll hit the bill next time we go to the buffet. Sorry about not playing our match in Smash, I kinda just had enough when it came down too it. Smash sometimes doesn't make ANY sense! But you're the coolest friend EVA, believe it...LOL!
Sheik: Thanks for helpin me out. You are the better smasher than I. But our matches are always fun (well until I realize how stupid the game is...LOL). It was interesting seeing you play WWE...that game looked hella random...LOL! And awesome job in the Naruto teams tournament. You and Brandon made me switch from 2 vs. 1! I think you should play more Naruto. I need a strong 4th best in the state.
Andrew: Good Matches in Smash! I'm glad you enjoyed both Naruto Games. Teams is fun huh? I hope you guys decide to buy it eventually!
Rob: You better buy Naruto or else! Good matches in Smash, Fox is ****ing stupid...LOL!
Matt: Fox is ****ing stupid...LOL! You're the best! It's really awesome to kick it with yha. I'm glad I actually got to talk to yha that time. GG's in Smash. I see you practice what you preach. You have my respect!
Vids will be up soon, the way Bowser won must be seen...LOL...LMAO... !
But on a direct note. i think I'm good running Smash tournaments until Brawl comes out. But I'm sure Sheik will be running Melee until then! Thanks everyone for all your support. I look forward to this summer.
I don't look forward into getting darker then what I already am though...LOL!
shout outs:
Tapion: Good times as usual! Buffet is a tradition. And Paul's was fun too. Making my friend quit smash was pretty funny...LOL! I'll hit the bill next time we go to the buffet. Sorry about not playing our match in Smash, I kinda just had enough when it came down too it. Smash sometimes doesn't make ANY sense! But you're the coolest friend EVA, believe it...LOL!
Sheik: Thanks for helpin me out. You are the better smasher than I. But our matches are always fun (well until I realize how stupid the game is...LOL). It was interesting seeing you play WWE...that game looked hella random...LOL! And awesome job in the Naruto teams tournament. You and Brandon made me switch from 2 vs. 1! I think you should play more Naruto. I need a strong 4th best in the state.
Andrew: Good Matches in Smash! I'm glad you enjoyed both Naruto Games. Teams is fun huh? I hope you guys decide to buy it eventually!
Rob: You better buy Naruto or else! Good matches in Smash, Fox is ****ing stupid...LOL!
Matt: Fox is ****ing stupid...LOL! You're the best! It's really awesome to kick it with yha. I'm glad I actually got to talk to yha that time. GG's in Smash. I see you practice what you preach. You have my respect!
Vids will be up soon, the way Bowser won must be seen...LOL...LMAO...
!But on a direct note. i think I'm good running Smash tournaments until Brawl comes out. But I'm sure Sheik will be running Melee until then! Thanks everyone for all your support. I look forward to this summer.
I don't look forward into getting darker then what I already am though...LOL!