Queen of the Underworld: Vote for Medusa's Homecoming Party!

[majora_787]

The "What about FUTURE games" argument really doesn't mean anything. I don't know why people have started using it as an argument. It doesn't matter if 10 years from now Ghirahim becomes a recurring antagonist in the Zelda series and overthrows Ganondorf as the most prominent villain, or if Hades does that to Medusa 25 years from now.

That literally has no impact on a character being in a game that is going to be out within the next 4-6 months I'd guess and I really wish people wouldn't pretend it did.

EDIT: I know people want Palutena in SSB4 and all but there are so many people running around on other websites going "Palutena can use ALL of the weapons and you fight her twice in Uprising because she's the villain for two arcs".

Do they really need that much factually incorrect information going on?

 

[Shorts]

Medusa - Grappling Goddess

B Fang Spell – Medusa thrusts her staff forward, and a blast in the shape of viper a viper head appears. The neon blast zig zags up across the field, making it relatively pesky to avoid. She can shoot up to two out at a time.

B > Twinbellows – Medusa barely lifts her staff, and effortlessly summons a large fiery dog head. This twinbellows esque attack opens its mouth and chomps hard. If chomped, Medusa can choose which direction the mouth throws you. When doing so Twinbellows mouth fills with fire and he spits it out, launching the opponent whichever direction Medusa chose

B^ Astral Projection – Medusa is engulfed in a white aura and is almost instantly transported to whichever area you aimed your control stick towards. (Think Zelda’s B^, but smaller range, and much much quicker). If you don’t project into the air, you’ll become helpless of course.

BV – Gatekeeper – The Goddess of Darkness kneels, and opens a hell mouth, releasing the great (albeit MINI) Gatekeeper. This little monster will shoot lazers at anyone who gets near it. There is a rhythm to the lasers, so you can figure out how to get up close, attack, and destroy it. In the air a hell mouth opens midair and he hovers. If you come below him he drops a turret. He is best used as a sort of “assured KO”. Leaving him in a spot where you can throw an enemy, and he will use a lazer / turret to give them that extra bit of percentage. Twinbellows comes in handy here.

Medusa’s playstyle focuses on grapples, and utilizing gatekeeper. She is on the heavier side, and her attacks are on the slower, but stronger side. Her walking animation is her sitting upon a dark cloud. She doesn’t need to walk. But when she needs to run, Medusa’s feet transform into the body of a snake. She transforms into a naga and swiftly slithers across the stage.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Medusa - Grappling Goddess

B Fang Spell – Medusa thrusts her staff forward, and a blast in the shape of viper a viper head appears. The neon blast zig zags up across the field, making it relatively pesky to avoid. She can shoot up to two out at a time.

B > Twinbellows – Medusa barely lifts her staff, and effortlessly summons a large fiery dog head. This twinbellows esque attack opens its mouth and chomps hard. If chomped, Medusa can choose which direction the mouth throws you. When doing so Twinbellows mouth fills with fire and he spits it out, launching the opponent whichever direction Medusa chose

B^ Astral Projection – Medusa is engulfed in a white aura and is almost instantly transported to whichever area you aimed your control stick towards. (Think Zelda’s B^, but smaller range, and much much quicker). If you don’t project into the air, you’ll become helpless of course.

BV – Gatekeeper – The Goddess of Darkness kneels, and opens a hell mouth, releasing the great (albeit MINI) Gatekeeper. This little monster will shoot lazers at anyone who gets near it. There is a rhythm to the lasers, so you can figure out how to get up close, attack, and destroy it. In the air a hell mouth opens midair and he hovers. If you come below him he drops a turret. He is best used as a sort of “assured KO”. Leaving him in a spot where you can throw an enemy, and he will use a lazer / turret to give them that extra bit of percentage. Twinbellows comes in handy here.

Medusa’s playstyle focuses on grapples, and utilizing gatekeeper. She is on the heavier side, and her attacks are on the slower, but stronger side. Her walking animation is her sitting upon a dark cloud. She doesn’t need to walk. But when she needs to run, Medusa’s feet transform into the body of a snake. She transforms into a naga and swiftly slithers across the stage.

It's clearly not a bad moveset, but I have trouble imagining her as a grappler. Sure, the moveset seems tricky, but... Dunno. It lacks things like turning people to stone to me (we never see her doing that in Kid Icarus, though )
I think her trickiness must comes from conditions like stone or poison more than being a grappler, but it's just my personal taste ^^

 

[Rockaphin]

Medusa > Palutena

 

[majora_787]

It's clearly not a bad moveset, but I have trouble imagining her as a grappler. Sure, the moveset seems tricky, but... Dunno. It lacks things like turning people to stone to me (we never see her doing that in Kid Icarus, though )
I think her trickiness must comes from conditions like stone or poison more than being a grappler, but it's just my personal taste ^^

She does do it in Medusa's Revenge, and there is an item based off of her face in Uprising that DOES do it. So I mean.

I'm not great at making movesets for characters. If I was I would try to make one but I am just not good at it.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

She does do it in Medusa's Revenge, and there is an item based off of her face in Uprising that DOES do it. So I mean.

I'm not great at making movesets for characters. If I was I would try to make one but I am just not good at it.

And also, Pit mention it in chapter 9. But we never see her doing it in the games.

But I don't have to mention a lot of smash characters do things they never does in their games.

 

[majora_787]

For some reason I had no idea what Medusa could do to base "binds" around, but then I remembered she CAN fire snakes as projectiles going off her NES appearance, and can presumably turn into snakes if we take Medusa's Revenge into account.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Just a little reminder of one of the many good reasons to have Medusa in Smash.

Spoiler

 

[Spazzy_D]

In all honesty, Medusa > Palutena > Hades >>>>>>>>>> Dark Pit >>>>>> Phosphora >>>>>>Thanatos >>>> Eggplant Wizard >>>>>> a random Monoeye >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Generic Centurion> Magnus.

Really, after playing as Magnus in Uprising, who thought that he had an interesting enough set of moves to be a Smash character?

Anyway, I want Medusa more then Palutena, but I support Palutena more because I think she makes more sense given Medusa's role in the newest game... plus, Palutena is a good addition on her own.

#TeamMedusa in my heart, though.

 

[majora_787]

I dunno. I think Palutena wins in terms of popularity, but I also think people understate Medusa's role in Uprising and then don't consider her role in the original Kid Icarus. She also has uniqueness going for her, would save Sakurai some amount of work, and would also surprise a lot of people along with being good for the crossover element.

So unless Sakurai decides popularity and protagonistic characters matter more than anything else, I think Medusa is a pretty safe bet.

EDIT: @ Erotic&Heretic Yes, that is EXACTLY what this thread is founded on. Clearly.

 

[Freduardo]

Palutena's great and all. And I want her in the fact that I want as many characters from Kid Icarus as I can get and I love the animated shorts.

But Medusa is played by Cree Summer.

Don't know who she is? Well look her up on IMDB, and you'll realize you've heard her awesome voice all your lives.

Is an american Voice Actor decent reason for character preference? No.

Do I care? See previous question.

 

[majora_787]

I'm not hugely familiar with a large number of her roles, but what I do know is I'm familiar with how she handles Medusa and she does a really nice job.

 

[AncientTobacco]

I'm not hugely familiar with a large number of her roles, but what I do know is I'm familiar with how she handles Medusa and she does a really nice job.

I love it in the beginning of Uprising when she says "What better way to celebrate my return than with a festive little bloodbath?".

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

I love it in the beginning of Uprising when she says "What better way to celebrate my return than with a festive little bloodbath?".

And now we just need a "What better way to celebrate my return than with a festive little Super Smash?"

 

[majora_787]

I wonder if Thanatos would be included in Medusa's moveset, since in NES Kid Icarus the snake released by Medusa was Thanatos. They COULD do that, and it would be a nice callback.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

Just a little reminder of one of the many good reasons to have Medusa in Smash.

Spoiler

JFC That sideboob literally take up my whole screen, what even !

 

[andimidna]

Yes! I want Medusa! I do support Palutena more, and definitely think she's getting a 2nd spot, a 3rd KI rep is not impossible and would be totally positive IMO. Kid Icarus characters are great. I especially love Palutena, Medusa, and Viridi! And Viridi is a stage hazard... so go Palutena and Medusa!

 

[majora_787]

I don't want to hope for three Kid Icarus characters just in case I end up disappointed, but I am pretty convinced at the very least two are going to happen. And despite what a lot of people are willing to say, Palutena and Medusa are so close in competition for that spot because of their pros and cons in different areas that it is all down to "What does Sakurai think is important and what is he going to do?"

Though as I've said, while I prefer Medusa being in the game over Palutena, having Pit Palutena AND Medusa is just the best outcome. And when it comes to the Kid Icarus franchise as a whole, that's all you really need.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

While both is really the way to go, I very much doubt that'll happen...
Personally Medusa strikes me as a lot more interesting to play as than Palutena.

 

[majora_787]

And to look at it from Sakurai's perspective as much as I can, Medusa adds more to the roster that is not added by anyone else currently on the roster, would take slightly less work, and would surprise a lot more people. Which I think seems to be exactly the kind of thing Sakurai seems to be going for.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

I honestly doubt we'd get anyone past Pit again. Which is a shame, because glorious Medusa side-boob is glorious.

 

[majora_787]

I honestly doubt we'd get anyone past Pit again. Which is a shame, because glorious Medusa side-boob is glorious.

Well the thing is, they did a few things...

1. Kid Icarus was shown at E3 along with Star Fox, Mario, Donkey Kong, Kirby, Zelda, and Metroid as what I guess you could describe as a 'major returning franchise' or something.
2. Pit isn't a retro character anymore. Uprising happened pretty recently, making a three-game series. Mother has two characters for three much less successful games, two of which weren't even internationally released.
3. Kid Icarus has multiple stages, though that could just be credited to there being multiple versions.
4. Kid Icarus is even getting item additions in this game, which does and doesn't say things.
5. Medusa's sideboob.

At the very least I think it's a safe bet that we'll see more Kid Icarus on the roster.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

JFC That sideboob literally take up my whole screen, what even !

It's Medusa's boob, it's normal it takes te whole screen!

By the way, I found a video showing the famous "Medusa (rare)" idol... And it's totally badass.

Also, I realise every of her idols make a good battle stance. Ironically, I think the "battle" idol is not the best of the 3, according to me. Maybe because her staff hide can hide her face. But the normal stance is classy and her "rare" stance is really badass.

Spoiler

 

[majora_787]

Maybe a combination of the two I'd guess? Who knows. The idols do look good though.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

Medusa looks battle ready while Palutena just idly stands around, expecting you to give her a foot rub or something.

 

[majora_787]

Medusa looks battle ready while Palutena just idly stands around, expecting you to give her a foot rub or something.

Well she kind of comes off that way sometimes, and it doesn't help that you only fight Palutena off of some pretty substantial technicalities. Medusa on the other hand has a multi-phase battle and a cutscene attack on Hades.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

One thing's for sure... I'd give Medusa more than a foot rub. Much more.

 

[majora_787]

This is taking a direction. We should probably reel it in a little bit though.

I find it weird sometimes how people just massively inflate Palutena's chances with things that don't matter or just aren't true, and then deflate Medusa with non-reasons. I'm already taking my personal bias out of the matter and saying they're extremely close when going for that spot on the roster. They're both kind of a big deal for different reasons.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

As bosses of their respective companies Palutena certainly comes off as the one who would wave at a subject saying "Eh, I have a guy that does that for me, but get this kickass idea, Monster. Attracting. Purfume, it'll be all the rage, trust me"

While Medusa is the workaholic boss that makes sure everything goes right, she only applied for the secretary job, but the boss promoted her n the spot so he could vacation in Hawaii and all the office workers agree that she is waaay better at this and maybe I've taken this analogy too far?

 

[majora_787]

Well I can't quote it word for word, but one of Palutena's special weapon conversations basically involves her fooling Pit into believing that all gods are trained in being competent in using weapons, followed by an essential "Lol jk, we don't use weapons that's what minions are for. Come on now."

Medusa obviously is a lot more okay with taking swings at people. Or Pits.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

This is taking a direction. We should probably reel it in a little bit though.

I find it weird sometimes how people just massively inflate Palutena's chances with things that don't matter or just aren't true, and then deflate Medusa with non-reasons. I'm already taking my personal bias out of the matter and saying they're extremely close when going for that spot on the roster. They're both kind of a big deal for different reasons.

This is basically true. I mean, the only real thing seperating the two is Palutena's popularity, and even doesn't put her on an entirely different level.
I really find it laughable though when they say Dark Pit, Magnus, ect. are more likely to be playable though. That's just pure insanity right there.

 

[andimidna]

I think Kid Icarus getting a 2nd rep is more likely than not. And I think Kid Icarus getting a 3rd rep is less likely than more. And I don't think Medusa could get in over Palutena, no matter what.
Popularity, Requests, Importance, Recurrence...
Think of it this way, they're not going to make a Kid Icarus game without Palutena...
Best case scenario is we get Pit, Palutena, and Medusa, and nobody else.
But likelihood is another thing...
Medusa is completely viable and deserving though. The thing is, Palutena is more of both.
I'm definitely hoping for both, just like Kirby got 2 in Brawl.
Even Fire Emblem got 2 in Melee. And Mario got 2 in 64. Hell, it and Zelda got 3 in Melee. And Pokemon got 2 in every game.
So I think it's perfectly viable that Fire Emblem, DK, Metroid, or Kid Icarus get 2 now.
I'm hoping Medusa gets in, but don't try to dis Palutena, if Palutena doesn't make it, then we'll probably only have Pit.
The series is named after Palutena in Japan, she's a big deal. Although I will consider them tied when it comes to moveset potential. And Medusa wins when it comes to adding something SSB lacks. Palutena adds a female. Medusa adds a female and a villain. And neither use a sword! I hate when people put Magnus on their rosters over them, they add MUCH more and are much more deserving in terms of everything.
Honestly, let's pretend both Palutena and Medusa make it, and in a decade Smash 5 is announced, which Kid Icarus newcomer would you be rooting for? If the Reset Bomb Stage came back as a retro stage, I'd root for either Pandora or Hades.

 

[majora_787]

I think Kid Icarus getting a 2nd rep is more likely than not. And I think Kid Icarus getting a 3rd rep is less likely than more. And I don't think Medusa could get in over Palutena, no matter what.
Popularity, Requests, Importance, Recurrence...
Think of it this way, they're not going to make a Kid Icarus game without Palutena...
Best case scenario is we get Pit, Palutena, and Medusa, and nobody else.
But likelihood is another thing...
Medusa is completely viable and deserving though. The thing is, Palutena is more of both.
I'm definitely hoping for both, just like Kirby got 2 in Brawl.
Even Fire Emblem got 2 in Melee. And Mario got 2 in 64. Hell, it and Zelda got 3 in Melee. And Pokemon got 2 in every game.
So I think it's perfectly viable that Fire Emblem, DK, Metroid, or Kid Icarus get 2 now.
I'm hoping Medusa gets in, but don't try to dis Palutena, if Palutena doesn't make it, then we'll probably only have Pit.
The series is named after Palutena in Japan, she's a big deal. Although I will consider them tied when it comes to moveset potential. And Medusa wins when it comes to adding something SSB lacks. Palutena adds a female. Medusa adds a female and a villain. And neither use a sword! I hate when people put Magnus on their rosters over them, they add MUCH more and are much more deserving in terms of everything.
Honestly, let's pretend both Palutena and Medusa make it, and in a decade Smash 5 is announced, which Kid Icarus newcomer would you be rooting for? If the Reset Bomb Stage came back as a retro stage, I'd root for either Pandora or Hades.

Popularity and requests are interchangeable, and importance is kind of iffy. Recurrence only goes to Palutena if we count Myths and Monsters as anything, despite the fact that Uprising does not take note of the game which is a US exclusive in a japan-made international series. Not only that, but if we take Myths and Monsters into consideration as a thing, we have to acknowledge Hades and Orcos more or less as being in the same situation.

Medusa could definitely get in over Palutena, but that would necessitate Sakurai prioritizing uniqueness and surprise over popularity. Which is a direction he seems to be going, though it can't really be said for sure.

The issue is, the first game we have Palutena as a character who is mentioned only to show up at the end to say "Thanks for playing" or whatever. She also essentially functions as the Princess Peach or Zelda. Medusa is there as the functioning final boss. Then we look at Uprising, where we are comparing the "Navi" or the helper who gets swapped out for a DIFFERENT helper who does the same things just as well, and compare them to the first arc boss and the arc boss with the most prominence in the entire game who even makes a return at the very end of the game.

Palutena gets pretty overstated a lot. It's not exactly hard to see.

EDIT: Also the "Series is named after Palutena" argument really doesn't mean anything. Having the series named after you does not mean you are the front running addition to the game.

- The Legend of Zelda? Zelda wasn't added until the second game, and was kind of overshadowed by two other characters.
- Metroid? We definitely can't play as one of those.
- And I am 100% sure we can't play as your Mother in any Smash Bros. and I doubt that is about to change.

In moveset POTENTIAL sure they're tied because they both have it. But the issue is that Palutena thematically and conceptually overlaps with multiple characters already on the roster while Medusa overlaps almost not at all.

And also I have said this a few times before, Medusa adds more to the element of a crossover title. Palutena alone adds... not very much. Medusa adds a good amount. Medusa AND Palutena both adds a pretty significant amount.

EDIT 2: And I imagine it's also worth noting that Medusa and Palutena both got bonus animations centered around them. Not just Palutena.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

As bosses of their respective companies Palutena certainly comes off as the one who would wave at a subject saying "Eh, I have a guy that does that for me, but get this kickass idea, Monster. Attracting. Purfume, it'll be all the rage, trust me"

While Medusa is the workaholic boss that makes sure everything goes right, she only applied for the secretary job, but the boss promoted her n the spot so he could vacation in Hawaii and all the office workers agree that she is waaay better at this and maybe I've taken this analogy too far?

Well I can't quote it word for word, but one of Palutena's special weapon conversations basically involves her fooling Pit into believing that all gods are trained in being competent in using weapons, followed by an essential "Lol jk, we don't use weapons that's what minions are for. Come on now."

Medusa obviously is a lot more okay with taking swings at people. Or Pits.

Well, on one side, we have a goddess of Light who simply sends Pit everywhere.

On the other side, we have a goddess of Darkness who leads an entire army, with trusted commanders. If Twinbellows and Hewdraw only are there for massive attacks against cities, the Great Reaper hide the way to the Labyrinth of Deceit, where Pandora's guard the mirror of Truth. And Thanatos keeps the underworld key, and invades Poseidon's palace to make it difficult to reach. There's also Gaol who leads a part of the underworld army, but it's a different case.

By the way, the underworld army seems more elaborated to me.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Medusa vs. Palutena is a real supporting rivalry than Hades (who's support is slowly dying since Uprising) and Magnus (Sames as Hades).

 

[majora_787]

Well yeah. From a crossover perspective, if you add Medusa, villains are good for the crossover element in a game made mostly of protagonists. Aside from that, Pit vs Medusa and Palutena vs Medusa are both fights people would want to see or reenact. While Pit vs Hades is a thing, Medusa vs Hades is way more of a thing than Palutena vs Hades.

Magnus can just go home.

And yeah Medusa has a much more elaborate army it seems like with the underworld forces. And even then it can be assumed from Medusa's Revenge that she is still okay with attacking cities on her own with her finger lasers of Medusa-ification. Or whatever you want to call them.

EDIT: Also I've said this before, but Sakurai made Uprising and not the original Kid Icarus. Which would mean if he added characters like Viridi, Magnus, Dark Pit, and Hades as new characters he would be flooding the roster with "his characters". But that's not the case with Palutena and Medusa.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Well yeah. From a crossover perspective, if you add Medusa, villains are good for the crossover element in a game made mostly of protagonists. Aside from that, Pit vs Medusa and Palutena vs Medusa are both fights people would want to see or reenact. While Pit vs Hades is a thing, Medusa vs Hades is way more of a thing than Palutena vs Hades.

I was looking at Medusa's a Hades boss battle (and Hades battle before he eats Pit) and, little projectiles put aside, Hades is a rather bland character, ability wise. Fast punches, devastating kicks... He looks like a mix of Ganondorf and Falcon. He does have the tornado- Oh wait, that's Metaknight neutral B. Then, there's the second phase where he basically turns into a gigantic turret. Third phase, he just shoot blue and purple projectiles. And last phase is laser party.

With the ability to turn people into stone alone, Medusa is already a more original character. Not saying every B-moves must be original (especially the recovery, as it's a special move among the special moves), but Medusa can add much more. We already said that plenty of times by the way.

EDIT: Also I've said this before, but Sakurai made Uprising and not the original Kid Icarus. Which would mean if he added characters like Viridi, Magnus, Dark Pit, and Hades as new characters he would be flooding the roster with "his characters". But that's not the case with Palutena and Medusa.

Medusa appears in Captain N, so she clearly is a classical Nintendo villain

 

[Freduardo]

Well yeah. From a crossover perspective, if you add Medusa, villains are good for the crossover element in a game made mostly of protagonists. Aside from that, Pit vs Medusa and Palutena vs Medusa are both fights people would want to see or reenact. While Pit vs Hades is a thing, Medusa vs Hades is way more of a thing than Palutena vs Hades.

Magnus can just go home.

And yeah Medusa has a much more elaborate army it seems like with the underworld forces. And even then it can be assumed from Medusa's Revenge that she is still okay with attacking cities on her own with her finger lasers of Medusa-ification. Or whatever you want to call them.

EDIT: Also I've said this before, but Sakurai made Uprising and not the original Kid Icarus. Which would mean if he added characters like Viridi, Magnus, Dark Pit, and Hades as new characters he would be flooding the roster with "his characters". But that's not the case with Palutena and Medusa.

That's true, but I'd definitely play a sized up Ice Climbers skin of Magnus and Gaol. It'd be adorable. Also bloody. Bloody adorable.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

That's true, but I'd definitely play a sized up Ice Climbers skin of Magnus and Gaol. It'd be adorable. Also bloody. Bloody adorable.

Although they were a team indeed, I have trouble imagining Magnus and Gaol fighting like the ICs.
I already can't imagine Magnus as a smash playable character

 

[Pacack]

Hey, Medusa fans! I'm working on a project that you might have heard of called Project: Thank You Sakurai! (If you haven't heard of it, you should check it out.) and I'm currently doing a poll to determine which characters should be on the virtual card that we're making for him. I would appreciate it if you guys would check it out here and vote for who you like. There's a Kid Icarus series section that really needs some more votes (Medusa is just under where she needs to be to make the cut). I'd really really be grateful to see you guys voting on that at the very least. Thanks ahead of time :D