Queen of the Underworld: Vote for Medusa's Homecoming Party!

[majora_787]

With all of the attention Kid Icarus is getting and with all of the Kid Icarus character deconfirmations that aren't Medusa, it's looking pretty good for her considering.

Though obviously that's what's going to happen on the off chance she's not playable, she'll be a palette swap for the MAGNUS ASSIST TROPHY. Thats what we all want, isn't it?

 

[staindgrey]

See, everyone was misunderstanding one another. Everything's good.

Though, @ Mars- , I would recommend not calling other people "10 year old fanboys" in the process of making your point next time. I'm not a mod here or anything, but disagreements and misunderstandings turn into something much more personal when one resorts to that sort of rhetoric, y'know?

Anyway, I'm out. Y'all have fun.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Can I ask you a question, @ Mars- ? Do you have a personal favorite newcommer (that isn't confirmed obviously). It's better if it's a character from an existing serie. If it's Chrom from Fire Emblem, it's even better

(also I may sound harsh sometimes, but it is not my intention)

 

[Mars-]

As in a character I would like to see?

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

As in a character I would like to see?

Yep. Your most wanted character.

 

[Mars-]

Medusa

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[majora_787]

You know what's funny is I hear people saying Sakurai adding Medusa would be too much creator bias. What's funny besides Sakurai not being the creator of Kid Icarus is that these same people who have brought this up more often than not have had Bandanna Dee on their rosters. : P

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Medusa

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Well... Wanted to make my argument with another character, but I'll adapt.

If you are fan of Medusa, if she is a mere costume, doesn't it feels wrong to you that she doesn't deserves her spot on the character selection screen? That, despite knowing she has many unique abilities, she won't even be a clone of an existing character, but a mere different 3D model? This, knowing that Toon Link is back?

If you're fan of Medusa (I'm not doubting it), you would know that many of Palutena's animations would just look wrong on Medusa. Either it is that almost playfull running animation on a goddess of Darkness, or a Shield Bash... Without Shield.

Imagine if Ganondorf was only a Captain Falcon costume. Imagine Ganondorf asking others to show their moves!
Oh also, I'm digressing a bit, but Ice Climbers, since Melee, gives you the possibility to select Popo or Nana through costumes, so we technically already had similar characters (like Male/female WFT), with sets of voices each. But i'm stretching it a bit.



Back to Medusa, you may also be trolling by mentionning Soul Eater's Medusa

 

[majora_787]

Sakurai trolls us all and makes Soul Eater Medusa a playable character. I can see it now. Meanwhile, Kid Icarus Medusa is made as an alternate model for the Magnus assist trophy.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Megnusa confirmed.

 

[majora_787]

Anyone here able and willing to make relevant artwork?

 

[Mars-]

I actually didn't like soul eater's medusa. Too much of a ***** for no reason except that she is a witch.

Maybe that surprised you but there was a reason why I posted in this thread I'm not here to bash your hopes but if she only made it as an alt skin I would take that over not being in the game at all. Yes it sucks she didn't get her own spot, personally I think she deserves a spot more then palutena since palutena did nothing at all in the games except get captured and fend off vegetables.

 

[majora_787]

Yeh, Paul Tennant / Pale Seafood was basically Navi for a lot of Uprising until she got captured. But honestly, I'm not surprised she's in the game regardless. Though with Palutena in, that's an even better reason for Medusa to also be in. I'd love to actually be able to see how Medusa vs Palutena goes, and that would be fantastic fanservice to Kid Icarus fans.

...You know. More fanservice than sideboob, or Palutena's uh... jutting out.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Maybe that surprised you but there was a reason why I posted in this thread I'm not here to bash your hopes but if she only made it as an alt skin I would take that over not being in the game at all. Yes it sucks she didn't get her own spot, personally I think she deserves a spot more then palutena since palutena did nothing at all in the games except get captured and fend off vegetables.

Well, I would feel offended (obvious exaggeration) if she was made as Palutena's outfit. Everything from Kid Icarus is polished nicely, and BAM Medusa suddenly becomes something she isn't. It would be far worse than Ganondorf's fate who, despite being a clone of Captain Falcon, had his "own" slow moveset, his own slot... His own personality through some animations and voice. Hence why, as we are now, Blood Falcon is not a playable character for example.

In fact, I think that every alternate outfits being made to be other characters are an offense to the fans of said characters. It's a cheap excuse to virtually boost the number of playable characters.
But colors swap are fine, because the initial character is still the initial character.

To me, Palutena and Medusa both deserves a spot. A lot of characters in Smash did almost nothing in their games or are not fighters at all, so I don't think this should be something for/against a character.

 

[AncientTobacco]

Palutena's model would need drastic changes to make it look even remotely like Medusa. Completely different hair, completely diffferent dress, completely different staff (and Medusa holds hers in her left hand). They have to get rid of the shield since Medusa doesn't have one. Also, the snakes in her hair have to be animated. All in all it's the same amount of work as making a model for an entirely separate character. And what about the hitboxes? All the other alt costumes have roughly the same shape as the original, so they don't have to change the hitbox. But Medusa would require quite a different hitbox due to all the differences between her and Palutena, especially the snakes. And last but not least, I'd imagine some of Palutena's animations, such as running, would impossible for Medusa because of her long dress.

 

[Deleted member]

Wait, wait, wait... Medusa as an alternate costume to Palutena?

I don't understand the logic of that, due to the fact that Medusa and Palutena are a lot more different in appearance than what is suggested, in addition to the fact that Medusa's attacks would be darker, more powerful, and utilize status ailments.

Look... Brawl was sort of a love letter to the Kirby franchise since two more characters got involved and the Halberd became a key part of the Subspace Emissary, and 3DS/Wii U looks like a love letter to Uprising, so that means we should see a third character, and if the Triforce Triangle could remain part of the series, the good goddess, her loyal soldier, and the bad goddess should represent the franchise itself.

I'd just love to hear Medusa's explination when Pit or Palutena ask "How did you get back this time? You said you'd be happier dead."

 

[staindgrey]

Well, I would feel offended (obvious exaggeration) if she was made as Palutena's outfit. Everything from Kid Icarus is polished nicely, and BAM Medusa suddenly becomes something she isn't. It would be far worse than Ganondorf's fate who, despite being a clone of Captain Falcon, had his "own" slow moveset, his own slot... His own personality through some animations and voice. Hence why, as we are now, Blood Falcon is not a playable character for example.

In fact, I think that every alternate outfits being made to be other characters are an offense to the fans of said characters. It's a cheap excuse to virtually boost the number of playable characters.
But colors swap are fine, because the initial character is still the initial character.

To me, Palutena and Medusa both deserves a spot. A lot of characters in Smash did almost nothing in their games or are not fighters at all, so I don't think this should be something for/against a character.

I'm not sure that I agree. I wouldn't find it offensive at all if costumes were made in such a way. In my mind, I would rather have a costume of my favorite character if I can't get anything else, even if it's not true to that character. I would obviously rather have a roster spot and a unique moveset, but for example I would rather have a Krystal costume for Fox or a Daisy costume for Peach than a lazy color swap. Of course, the voice would have to come with it or it would just be... weird.

To each his own, though. Some compromises have to be made somewhere.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

I'm not sure that I agree. I wouldn't find it offensive at all if costumes were made in such a way. In my mind, I would rather have a costume of my favorite character if I can't get anything else, even if it's not true to that character. I would obviously rather have a roster spot and a unique moveset, but for example I would rather have a Krystal costume for Fox or a Daisy costume for Peach than a lazy color swap. Of course, the voice would have to come with it or it would just be... weird.

To each his own, though. Some compromises have to be made somewhere.

Well, I've been a bit harsh on that. Nothing is black, nothing is white. It depends how it is handled.

For example, Megaman's costume on Zero for Marvel Vs Capcom 3 was received badly.

But let's suppose, in Melee, that the clones were alt costumes (so no slots), but with their own behavior (stance, animations, taunts, voices), and their own name. Then it's ok.

Now, costumes are just... Well, costumes. It's either the same character (Wario, Little Mac), or a gender swap of a character who have the exact same role (Wii Fit Trainer, Villager). As far as we know, nothing change except the 3D model, and the voice. Animations and particle effects stay the same. How things are handled, and considering we had clones on seperated slots, I don't think that costumes of others characters are a good idea, and I don't think it will happen too.

 

[majora_787]

I'd be really disappointed if Sakurai passed up this perfectly viable opportunity to make Medusa a unique character and instead just made her some palette for Palutena. :Y

 

[Mars-]

Before palutena was confirmed I would have given it a 0% chance of happening. I think now it's somewhere about 60-70% chance that I'm convinced she will be playable. Between her and hades I think sakurai should know who is the more important character in the series, otherwise why would he have brought her back one more time for the last fight to kinda redeem herself, and spend so much time building her up as a villain when advertising the game? Why has there been no mention so far of either of them in terms of stages and assist trophies?

Kinda random question, I haven't really been paying too much attention to updates until recently, how often do they reveal new characters?

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Kinda random question, I haven't really been paying too much attention to updates until recently, how often do they reveal new characters?

Basically, every two months since Rosalina, during Nintendo direct (I'm counting E3 in).

 

[majora_787]

Basically, every two months since Rosalina, during Nintendo direct (I'm counting E3 in).

They've technically done this since June, actually. E3 2013 gave us stuff, we got veteran reveals from directs in August and October, then got a newcomer in December, February, April, and then E3 2014 happened.

Also, trivia, as far as I know Kid Icarus has the most enemies known to be in Smash Run at the moment if it isn't tied with Mario.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Yes, it seems that Kid Icarus have 13 enemies, while Mario have 12/13. Depends if you count Shy Guy as a Mario or a Yoshi "rep".

And yes, we had stuff since E3 2013, but for newcomers, it's since Rosalina that we got a pattern.

Smash bros 4 seems like a love letter to Kid Icarus. We have the same gambling system in classic mode, where you can bet coins for better rewards, the items system in Smash Run is really reminescent of the powers system (powers used by Palutena, by the way), and the training stage before a 3DS battle show damages the way Kid Icarus' training stage did.
Also, we can equip stuffs to our characters, like gloves, to change their stats. It's been said during Nintendo Treehouse that some may have the same name, but that the stats were randomly generated, which reminds Kid Icarus Weapons.

 

[majora_787]

Meanwhile, people draw the line at Sakurai adding a third Kid Icarus character as "blatant bias" and then turn around and ask for a Waddle Dee in a hat to be a fourth Kirby character.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Meanwhile, people draw the line at Sakurai adding a third Kid Icarus character as "blatant bias" and then turn around and ask for a Waddle Dee in a hat to be a fourth Kirby character.

Because two newcommers from one of Sakurai's games can absolutely not happen, it's too much bias

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Yes, it seems that Kid Icarus have 13 enemies, while Mario have 12/13. Depends if you count Shy Guy as a Mario or a Yoshi "rep".

Kid Icarus has 19 enemies.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Kid Icarus has 19 enemies.

... Wow, I missed a lot. And that's cool in fact.

In the past, I wouldn't be that much surprised by a third Kid Icarus character, but now, I almost feel like it's obligatory.

 

[NekuShikazu]

I wouldn't mind a villain and another female character. Even though I don't know much about Medusa, I would like to see her in SSB4, but I'm thinking that Palutena took (what could've been) her spot.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

... Wow, I missed a lot. And that's cool in fact.

In the past, I wouldn't be that much surprised by a third Kid Icarus character, but now, I almost feel like it's obligatory.

Probably DLC.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Well, if DLCs are real (mentionned in a new Sal Romano leak... I still don't buy it, I think that some part of fake in it. Time will tell) and if Medusa is not of the disc, she should at least happen as DLC.

 

[majora_787]

I wouldn't mind a villain and another female character. Even though I don't know much about Medusa, I would like to see her in SSB4, but I'm thinking that Palutena took (what could've been) her spot.

Not if Kid Icarus gets three characters, which is seeming likely enough.

And really, Sakurai stated that he wanted to work as hard as he could to make the game as complete as possible without the aid of DLC. I'm pretty sure she will be on the normal roster, though if not I'm sure she would be DLC later.

 

[Shorts]

I loved the Year of the Snake. Too bad it's the Year of the Bronies Horse this year. Good thing there aren't that many horse themed Kid Icarus characters.

Ill steam Pit's buns.

I don't see any franchise getting two newcomers (not including DLC) I also don't see any franchise outside of Pokemon and MAYBE Donkey Kong getting two newcomers, includning DLC.

 

[Mars-]

Ill steam Pit's buns.

I don't see any franchise getting two newcomers (not including DLC) I also don't see any franchise outside of Pokemon and MAYBE Donkey Kong getting two newcomers, includning DLC.

In melee Mario got 3 newcomers, Zelda got 3 newcomers, Fire Emblem got 2 newcomers and Pokemon got 2 newcomers. Brawl Kirby and pokemon got 2 newcomers. I don't see any patterns here please explain your logic on why there can only be 1 newcomer per series?

 

[Mars-]

... double post

 

[JaidynReiman]

In melee Mario got 3 newcomers, Zelda got 3 newcomers, Fire Emblem got 2 newcomers and Pokemon got 2 newcomers. Brawl Kirby and pokemon got 2 newcomers. I don't see any patterns here please explain your logic on why there can only be 1 newcomer per series?

Pokemon got 2 Newcomers as well. Pokemon Trainer and Lucario are entirely different characters. Yeah, they cut two Pokemon characters, but they still added two as well. The pattern is two sets of 2 newcomers per game, but as we know with the whole Fire Emblem debacle, that argument isn't likely to hold. It could still happen, but its not likely. (DK and Kid Icarus would probably be the top picks for 2 Newcomers, though.)

 

[Shorts]

In melee Mario got 3 newcomers, Zelda got 3 newcomers, Fire Emblem got 2 newcomers and Pokemon got 2 newcomers. Brawl Kirby and pokemon got 2 newcomers. I don't see any patterns here please explain your logic on why there can only be 1 newcomer per series?

This isn't Melee, we're not looking to add Peach and Bowser, and we are focusing on a more broad spectrum of franchises, I find it very unlikely, especially for Kid Icarus that we will see multiple characters from a single franchise included, especially since we've yet to hear ANY signs of it happening through the leaks. DLC may change that. We have our Zeldas and Dededes. We don't really need much doubling up this round. Were either adding new franchises, topping off old ones (Rosalina), or adding a popular choice from smaller ones (Palutena). I don't see many characters quite on the level as Peach + Bowser or Meta Knight + Dedede, besides maybe Greninja + 2nd Pokemon or Dixie + King K Rool (And even with them, I have sincere doubts)

 

[Mars-]

If we are basing it on leaks then Rosalina was not in any leak, so using that solely as your basis for characters making the game is wrong. Kirby had 2 additions most likely because sakurai developed the games. And looking at how successful Uprising was I would be surprised if the guy who made it didn't pay homage to his own game. I just find it unlikely that he is limiting himself to one newcomer per series, most series don't need more than one, but if there is any that could get two, it is Kid Icarus.

 

[Mars-]

Also I want to point out that considering Sakurai apparently is done with Kid Icarus what would be a better media for him to reuse these characters then smash bros?

 

[JaidynReiman]

If we are basing it on leaks then Rosalina was not in any leak, so using that solely as your basis for characters making the game is wrong. Kirby had 2 additions most likely because sakurai developed the games. And looking at how successful Uprising was I would be surprised if the guy who made it didn't pay homage to his own game. I just find it unlikely that he is limiting himself to one newcomer per series, most series don't need more than one, but if there is any that could get two, it is Kid Icarus.

Kirby had two additions because it was long overdue for a second character. Like DK is now for a third character.

As for Rosalina, the general belief is that she was revealed "between" leaks, so she wasn't included. I think its incredibly possible the guy just missed her, but that's the argument.


But, again, if you're arguing how successful a franchise is... DKC Returns would like a word with you... hint, hint...

A third KI character is possible I suppose, but I'm not sure if we'll get one yet.

 

[Mars-]

To be honest I'm surprised they haven't had a DK villain yet. That's the big thing about medusa, I feel every popular franchise should have at least one villain added, and for kid icarus it's between medusa and hades. I think medusa should take it though because of her longevity in the series, and how much focus was on her, even though it was just to throw you off from the real villain.