Queen of the Underworld: Vote for Medusa's Homecoming Party!

[majora_787]

Well, I can't complain about hidden villains. They're even better when you have to work for them, and possibly unlock them via a duel to the death.

 

[Mars-]

Well, I can't complain about hidden villains. They're even better when you have to work for them, and possibly unlock them via a duel to the death.

I was thinking about it, and all the leaks were characters that were supposed to be revealed at an event, most likely to give the leaker more credibility. So who is to say that there won't be characters not revealed until after the release. I do find the lack of villains disappointing.

 

[majora_787]

Why would there NOT be characters left until after release? We have more reason to think that would be the case than we do reason to think it won't.

 

[Mars-]

Why would there NOT be characters left until after release? We have more reason to think that would be the case than we do reason to think it won't.

I don't know, apparently people are convinced that the leaks are the end all to character releases.

 

[RidleyKraid187]

It's kinda surprising we haven't had any new villains, even with the leaked characters.

Well, Sakurai Kinda Leaked Ridley to us......Sure, he didn't say what he was, but it was enough information to deduce that he's probably playable

 

[RidleyKraid187]

Random question to Medusa supporters:
If she got in as a last-minute semi-clone like Ganondorf to C.Falcon, who would you want Medusa to be cloned off of?

 

[majora_787]

Yeh well people need to simmer down with their leak shenanigans. If they keep whining about leaks so much, they're going to start actually leaking.

 

[Mars-]

Hmm?

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Hmm?

I love the fact that there's only three "unlockable series".

By the way, the more I think about it, and the more I like the idea of seeing a gigantic Medusa as a Final Smash. It's something I already discussed about with @Darkmask , and there's issue with this (basically the size of a stage, for example)... But I suddenly want to see Medusa have her big goddess form shooting all kind of things from one side of the screen.

Basically, all of those things combined.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g19xVyAKSeo&feature=player_detailpage#t=50

 

[majora_787]

That'd be fantastic, especially if it were 8-bit for no reason whatsoever.

 

[Mars-]

I think that would be a pretty obvious final smash for her, she would go in the background and maybe have some type of aiming for her attacks, kinda like ZSS's final smash.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Well, I think being gigantic on the edge of the screen is less complex than being in the background.

Sure, we have Andross who actually does that (and Palutena in Brawl, to an extent), but there's a lot of stage with background elements. I think it would be a bit bad if Medusa is hidden by background elements, while the only real problem with being on the side is walk off stages.

Oh, and Tabuu did it.

 

[AncientTobacco]

Medusa is currently being rated in the RTC thread. I suggest everyone here to go vote if you haven't already.

 

[majora_787]

It's really depressing to see people rating a palette swap clone over Medusa to be totally honest. :\

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

It's really depressing to see people rating a palette swap clone over Medusa to be totally honest. :\

"But is theme is cool! :o "

... I can't see another reason honestly.

 

[majora_787]

"But is theme is cool! :o "

... I can't see another reason honestly.

It's like if they made Blood Falcon, SA-X, or Dark Link playable. They're at most a palette swap with all of the same capabilities. People have ended up alternate colors for less.

:Y It's one thing if you're going to throw Medusa under the bus for the one time newbie villain, but for DARK PIT?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Don't flake on us, some of us just believe it's just a hint for Pittoo, it turned some of the Dark Pit supporters into people believing that he's playable.

"But is theme is cool! :o "

... I can't see another reason honestly.

No, there's more reasons to have him in than just his theme.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

No, there's more reasons to have him in than just his theme.

Don't worry, it was mostly for trolling purposes.

Mostly

 

[majora_787]

The issue is Dark Pit literally goes against everything Sakurai looks for in a newcomer. He IS PIT. He is Pit with a different color palette and a slightly deeper voice done by the same person. He uses all of the same weapons to the same extent, and in the grand scheme of things he means less to the franchise than even Orcos or Hades do.

It was a hint sure, but more than likely a hint to him being a much higher quality alternate costume for Pit than he was in Brawl. Which is admittedly cool. But he shouldn't be replacing characters who actually have unique capabilities and have actual importance to the franchise.

Give him a new voice-over? Some cool new particle affects? The Silver Bow? There you go. Dark Pit. No need to put all of this effort into a new character that could go into something bigger and better.

 

[BluePikmin11]

The issue is Dark Pit literally goes against everything Sakurai looks for in a newcomer. He IS PIT. He is Pit with a different color palette and a slightly deeper voice done by the same person. He uses all of the same weapons to the same extent, and in the grand scheme of things he means less to the franchise than even Orcos or Hades do.

It was a hint sure, but more than likely a hint to him being a much higher quality alternate costume for Pit than he was in Brawl. Which is admittedly cool. But he shouldn't be replacing characters who actually have unique capabilities and have actual importance to the franchise.

Pit also uses the powers that Palutena uses in her moveset. It's a bad argument against Pittoo. But I'm going to stop arguing from there.

 

[majora_787]

The issue is, those were Palutena's powers to begin with that Palutena was using on Pit. They were called goddess powers for a reason. :\

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

To troll less about Dark Pit...

Well, Majora already said what was necessary.

I'll add that despite my obvious bias for Zelda, and despite the fact I love Toon Zelda, it would be stupid to ask for Toon Zelda. I can say that she is different, a lovable character in the serie, have a different voice... It's a Zelda.

Dark Pit's case is really similar, but he also is litteraly a clone. It's a cool character in the game, but a bad idea as a character. It would be as bad as Good and Evil Cole in Playstation All Star Battle Royal.

 

[Medusa]

After seeing that only 38% of you actually want me in the game, I have decided that the best way to get back at humanity is to go against what the majority wants. I now fully support this cause. I hope Sakurai puts in two more characters from my game.

Feel free to ask me anything.

 

[domokl]

I feel like medusa could be dlc at this point. If not then in smash5 we will probably get either her or hades

 

[pupNapoleon]

I certainly prefer her to Dark Pit. I dont like that she is a Greek Goddess... that is it. But it also adds a level of mystique to her.
That said, if the Goddess of light is in, I can see nothing better than the opposing force it make it in.
Puts Pit in a weird spot, too.
We have the two main forces, and then also the hero guy. That is pretty cool.

Next game, I will be a supporter. Not now, Kid Icarus is over represented with STUFF as is. Next game, sure.

 

[Mars-]

Medusa is not a greek goddess lol. Medusa is a nintendo character who is a goddess OR a character in greek mythology who is NOT a goddess.

 

[majora_787]

Honestly, I feel like Kid Icarus isn't overrepresented at all in this game. It's only going to be LESS deserving of this content next time when its only game is aged. I am pretty sure Sakurai, who doesn't plan to even be involved with a sequel to it, understands that this is the best time to do it even if the content he adds doesn't return for the next game.

 

[Mars-]

Honestly, I feel like Kid Icarus isn't overrepresented at all in this game. It's only going to be LESS deserving of this content next time when its only game is aged. I am pretty sure Sakurai, who doesn't plan to even be involved with a sequel to it, understands that this is the best time to do it even if the content he adds doesn't return for the next game.

I agree with you buuuuttt, I would advise against trying to understand Sakurai, you'll find yourself very confused.

 

[majora_787]

Well, regardless, Kid Icarus is getting a lot of attention now while it's relevant, and I can definitely see Medusa happening at this point. Though most likely as an unlockable.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Medusa is not a greek goddess lol. Medusa is a nintendo character who is a goddess OR a character in greek mythology who is NOT a goddess.

Far; she is a famous Gorgon sister defeated by Perseus. That is truly not the point-- a historical figure of fame...

 

[majora_787]

She shares the same name but is otherwise simply based off the character Medusa. That's like not thinking Mario should happen because you know an actual plumber named Mario. Not exactly the best reason.

 

[AncientTobacco]

Medusa is based on different aspects of several mythological figures. For example, her role as the "Queen of the Underworld" comes from the goddess Persephone while her position as the "Goddess of Darkness" is based on the primordial deities Nyx (Goddess of the Night) and Erebus (God of Darkness). As far as I know, only the snake-hair and petrification come from the Medusa of Greek mythology.

Palutena's character is similarly composed of different Greek deities, such as Pallas Athena, who is most likely the inspiration for her name. Athena cursed Medusa in mythology, as well.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Medusa is based on different aspects of several mythological figures. For example, her role as the "Queen of the Underworld" comes from the goddess Persephone while her position as the "Goddess of Darkness" is based on the primordial deities Nyx (Goddess of the Night) and Erebus (God of Darkness). As far as I know, only the snake-hair and petrification come from the Medusa of Greek mythology.

Palutena's character is similarly composed of different Greek deities, such as Pallas Athena, who is most likely the inspiration for her name. Athena cursed Medusa in mythology, as well.

And Athena partially is the inspiration for Palutena. :D

 

[AncientTobacco]

And Athena partially is the inspiration for Palutena. :D

...That's what I said.

 

[JaidynReiman]

...That's what I said.

Sorry, I misread your comment. Whoops.

 

[majora_787]

Obviously to fake everyone out, the August direct will celebrate Metroid's 28th anniversary by revealing a newcomer from... its sister series, Kid Icarus.

Probably not though unfortunately. I guess it's not too long of a wait until the Japanese release though. All of what. Two months-ish?

 

[Mars-]

Where did you read there will be an august direct?

 

[JaidynReiman]

Where did you read there will be an august direct?

There's a global Nintendo Direct of some sort every other month. The only except was April, and there was a Smash Bros. direct in April.

 

[Pacack]

Where did you read there will be an august direct?

I think it's just a pattern that hasn't been broken yet. Pretty sure there's been no official word on a direct.

 

[Mars-]

There hasn't been one this month though right?