Queen of the Underworld: Vote for Medusa's Homecoming Party!

[Mars-]

Well we already know mangus won't be playable since he is an assist trophy. I never though medusa could be in the game, but there is good new, which is that she literally hasn't been shown anywhere in the game so she does have a chance. To be honest though her design is almost identical to palutena's, so I would guess she will probably be an alternate skin for Palutena over a seperate character. Sakurai has been upgrading alternate skins from just different colors to completely different looks, the villager for example has a male and female model.

As for the reference with dark pit at the end, I think you guys are reading too much into it. It doesn't confirm or deny that medusa could make it, but dark pit was never alligned with Medusa, and if they wanted to make a hint to medusa being in the game, they wouldn't have chose dark pit for it.

 

[Pacack]

Well we already know mangus won't be playable since he is an assist trophy. I never though medusa could be in the game, but there is good new, which is that she literally hasn't been shown anywhere in the game so she does have a chance. To be honest though her design is almost identical to palutena's, so I would guess she will probably be an alternate skin for Palutena over a seperate character. Sakurai has been upgrading alternate skins from just different colors to completely different looks, the villager for example has a male and female model.

As for the reference with dark pit at the end, I think you guys are reading too much into it. It doesn't confirm or deny that medusa could make it, but dark pit was never alligned with Medusa, and if they wanted to make a hint to medusa being in the game, they wouldn't have chose dark pit for it.

Medusa and Palutena...nearly identical?

...How...?

 

[AncientTobacco]

Medusa and Palutena...nearly identical?

...How...?

First of all, they're both women. That in and of itself makes them pretty much the same. But both of them also wear a dress, use a staff and have a face. That's quite a big list of similarities. So honestly, I can totally see where that guy was coming from. Alt costume is the way to go. Actually, we could just put all of the women in Smash into one character and save some roster space.

 

[ACDC]

As someone who never played Kid Icarus, I think she has her own charm but there are some other characters I'd rather see first. To the Medusa supporters, what do you like about this character's charm? And do you think she should be a priority as a character or just if she gets in good, but if not whatever? I'd like to hear your opinions

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

As someone who never played Kid Icarus, I think she has her own charm but there are some other characters I'd rather see first. To the Medusa supporters, what do you like about this character's charm? And do you think she should be a priority as a character or just if she gets in good, but if not whatever? I'd like to hear your opinions

I'd say that several people liked her for being a dark sorceress (female villain) and there are those that liked her for being serious unlike every other character in Uprising. All supporters think that she should have priority as a fighter since she's one of the original 3 characters from the first Kid Icarus (which she's the villain of at the time).

As likable as Hades is, Medusa should have more priority over him due to being a long time veteran in the Kid Icarus universe despite her small role in Uprising. Not to mention Hades is too new of a character like Nabbit and Ghirahim anyway. She would probably have a more unique moveset that would involve status effects like poison and petrification (being turned into a stone statue momentarily), more darkness techniques, and a variety of attacks involving snakes.

 

[Spazzy_D]

That says to me that they intended to kind of disregard it forever, since the rebirth of the series devoted literally all of its time to only referencing Kid Icarus NES. I don't really care either way, but that's just how it seems to me. I mean there were only two games for it to reference, and they didn't reference one even once.

Oddly enough, it LOOKS like Pitt is using the Silver Armor (one of the Sacred Treasures from of Myths and Monsters) when he equips the other Sacred Treasures in Uprising... but yeah, that connection is tenuous at best. A bit of a shame that that's all we (maybe) got as a reference because of Myths and Monsters is a great game. I also feel like with the sheer amount of side story in the game fighting Orcos for a few chapters would not have been at all out of place.

I still don't think we will get three Kid Icarus reps, but if we do it should definitely be Medusa. I'm wondering if we will get any sort of stage hazards in Palutena's temple... I could easily see Medusa or Hades in their giant form in the background while the stage is attacked by members of the under world army.

 

[Mars-]

Medusa and Palutena...nearly identical?

...How...?

You don't understand design do you. Obviously they aren't mirror images of each other, look past that, goddess of light and goddess of darkness, both use a staff, a ridiculous amount of jewelry on their belts, both wearing a similar styled dress, design wise they are identical the difference is features.

IF there is a 3rd kid icarus rep, it will be medusa. I have no doubt in my mind on that. The question is if.

 

[Pacack]

You don't understand design do you. Obviously they aren't mirror images of each other, look past that, goddess of light and goddess of darkness, both use a staff, a ridiculous amount of jewelry on their belts, both wearing a similar styled dress, design wise they are identical the difference is features.

IF there is a 3rd kid icarus rep, it will be medusa. I have no doubt in my mind on that. The question is if.

Somewhat similar # Nearly identical

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

You don't understand design do you. Obviously they aren't mirror images of each other, look past that, goddess of light and goddess of darkness, both use a staff, a ridiculous amount of jewelry on their belts, both wearing a similar styled dress, design wise they are identical the difference is features.

IF there is a 3rd kid icarus rep, it will be medusa. I have no doubt in my mind on that. The question is if.

Medusa and Palutena are meant to be two sides of the same coin, being the co-rulers of Skyworld, before Medusa's banishement to the underworld.

But similarities in design =/= similarities in characters =/= similarities in abilities.

Medusa is a serious, violent character full of hatred, while Palutena is a cheerful, elegant goddess.



Medusa is also a monster who has a cyclopean head (hidden by magic), a mouth in her hands and the ability to shoot many kinds of projectiles with her eyes.

Saying Medusa and Palutena are the same is like saying Peach and Rosalina are the same.

 

[Mars-]

You're the one who said nearly identical not me.

Medusa and Palutena are meant to be two sides of the same coin, being the co-rulers of Skyworld, before Medusa's banishement to the underworld.

But similarities in design =/= similarities in characters =/= similarities in abilities.

Medusa is a serious, violent character full of hatred, while Palutena is a cheerful, elegant goddess.



Medusa is also a monster who has a cyclopean head (hidden by magic), a mouth in her hands and the ability to shoot many kinds of projectiles with her eyes.

Saying Medusa and Palutena are the same is like saying Peach and Rosalina are the same.

I never said they are the same. Take your head out of the sand and drop your ego for a second. Same design does not mean same character or identical. Medusa was clearly designed to be a dark version of palutena. If you can't see that then you are either in denial or very stupid.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

I'll quote myself

Medusa and Palutena are meant to be two sides of the same coin, being the co-rulers of Skyworld, before Medusa's banishement to the underworld.

But this doesn't mean we can't disagree with this.

To be honest though her design is almost identical to palutena's, so I would guess she will probably be an alternate skin for Palutena over a seperate character. Sakurai has been upgrading alternate skins from just different colors to completely different looks, the villager for example has a male and female model.

We never had different characters as alternate so far. Only colors evocating another character (Dark Link, Daisy, Blood Falcon, Claus...), but no other character model. Biker Wario is Classic Wario. A Villager, either male or female, is a Villager, Ect...

How Palutena, with a Medusa skin, would use her shield? How logical would it be for Medusa to use heavenly light? Why Medusa would suddenly be elegant and run in a cheerful manner, despite having this pose in battle?

Palutena may have colors evocating Medusa, though.

 

[Mars-]

We never had different characters as alternate so far. Only colors evocating another character (Dark Link, Daisy, Blood Falcon, Claus...), but no other character model. Biker Wario is Classic Wario. A Villager, either male or female, is a Villager, Ect...

Have you played smash before? Ever seen daisy in the game?

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Have you played smash before? Ever seen daisy in the game?

I played every Smash Bros games. If you can't see Daisy's colors here, then, there's a problem.

But these are only colors. Peach keeps her name, voice, attitude, and more importantly, 3D model. No Daisy hair for example.

 

[Mars-]

Lol that was my point. Now they have alternate models for character skins, medusa would easily fit as an alternate skin for palutena. There is nothing confirming that alternate skins also have alternate voices either, so don't use that as a basis for her not fitting.

I would rather see her as a separate playable characters than a skin, but I would also rather see her as a skin then not playable at all. I think of the two her being a skin is more likely than her being a new character, but who knows how far sakurai's shameful self promotion will go lol.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Lol that was my point. Now they have alternate models for character skins, medusa would easily fit as an alternate skin for palutena. There is nothing confirming that alternate skins also have alternate voices either, so don't use that as a basis for her not fitting.

I would rather see her as a separate playable characters than a skin, but I would also rather see her as a skin then not playable at all. I think of the two her being a skin is more likely than her being a new character, but who knows how far sakurai's shameful self promotion will go lol.

You miss my point. When you take Daisy's colors, you don't play as Daisy, you still play as Peach. When you take Claus colors, you still play as Lucas. When you takes Wario's colors on Mario, you still play as Mario. Ect, ect, ect...

But when you take Classic Wario's outfit, you also still play as Wario. When you are Wireframe Mac, you still are Little Mac.

And there's at least one evidence of different voices: Male Wii Fit Trainer and Female Wii Fit Trainer. But the main difference is: they have the exact same role. Same for the villagers.

We never had different characters as alternate outfit, and we will never have different characters as alternate outfit. Seeing Daisy acting like Peach would be disrespectful. Same goes for Medusa.

Just imagine if Falco suddenly becomes Fox's alternate outfit. Imagine Mewtwo as Lucario's outfit. It doesn't make sense.

 

[Mars-]

We never had different characters as alternate outfit, and we will never have different characters as alternate outfit. Seeing Daisy acting like Peach would be disrespectful. Same goes for Medusa.

Yes we have lol. Are you ignoring daisy as a separate character? If it wasn't daisy then why would people call her daisy? The color scheme changes from being one color to clearly being daisy's unique colors. Your only logic against that is because she has the same voice which is laughable because this is the first smash game to have different voices for different skins, so there is a bigger possibility of medusa simply being an alternate costume.

You clearly don't understand both are options that could be taken.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

You still play Peach. You still have the "Lalala" taunt. You still make hearts out of your butt! This is NOT Daisy. This is Peach with Daisy's colors. Edit: I'm a Daisy fan, so I use this color a lot. But I don't feel like I'm playing my favorite princess from Sarasaland.


Tell me... How logical would it be for the Medusa to run like this? http://youtu.be/j9u675csOi0?t=1m41s
How logical would it be for the Goddess of Darkness to use a skill named Heavenly Light? http://youtu.be/j9u675csOi0?t=1m53s

 

[Mars-]

It's daisy. You are denying it for the sake of keeping your weak argument going. Nobody picks that skin and says "boy I like the way this peach looks"

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Mind focusing on the rest of my arguments?

I'm still waiting for Daisy's bangs, flowers, and tomboyish personality. That's what I like in Daisy. Not only the fact she wears an orange dress.
We could have Luigi as Mario's outfit! Those guys are very similar after all. Damn, the only thing that change is the mustache shape. No big deal.
But you don't get that they are different characters with their own personality and ability. Tell me when you see something else than Daisy's colors in Peach's Daisy colors.

Edit: I'm pretty sure that according to you, we have a fully playable Blood Falcon that faithfully use his trademark Blue Falcon... Wait what?

 

[Mars-]

There is nothing else to focus on. Your entire post says that she cannot be an alternate costume because she has a different personality. You are dilusional, you think because it says peach it isn't daisy. You are over reading into this, it's daisy, if I put that picture up and asked somebody who it is, nobody will say Peach. You are just completely ignoring that because it still says peach.

You seem to think that Sakurai HAS to do this your way, he doesn't follow the same fanboy logic you do.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

There is nothing else to focus on. Your entire post says that she cannot be an alternate costume because she has a different personality. You are dilusional, you think because it says peach it isn't daisy. You are over reading into this, it's daisy, if I put that picture up and asked somebody who it is, nobody will say Peach. You are just completely ignoring that because it still says peach.

You seem to think that Sakurai HAS to do this your way, he doesn't follow the same fanboy logic you do.

Ok, as mister doesn't want do read all of my posts and focus solely on Daisy...

Let's suppose we put Medusa's face on Palutena. Is it logical for the goddess of Darkness to use Heavenly Light, Angelic Missile, and attack with a pillar of light, angel wings and shield she doesn't even have? Do you really think it is?

 

[Mars-]

Okay does daisy use turnips and float on and umbrella and do all of the stuff peach does in smash?

Oh wait you'll just deny that it's daisy.

 

[Mars-]

Smash is not Kid icarus and doesn't have to follow any restrictions in the kid icarus universe. She could easily be an alternate skin and what is stopping them from using different particles?

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Sorry to ask for your intervention @ staindgrey but as you are a Daisy fan, can you confirm that Mars is just wrong?

Meanwhile, you can read this. http://smashboards.com/threads/peachs-daisy-costume.351787/ Guess a lot of people are "wrong" according to you.

 

[majora_787]

"Same design does not mean same character or identical. Medusa was clearly designed to be a dark version of palutena. If you can't see that then you are either in denial or very stupid."

Looks like we can't have a LOT of characters on the roster. No more Luigi, Meta Knight, Wario, Diddy Kong, R.O.B., Greninja, Villager, Toon Link... They all look similar to other characters at all, and have very passing consistencies in appearance like having the same number of limbs, or wearing articles of clothing like shoes. Can't have that.

 

[praline]

I can see a Medusa colour swap for Palutena.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

I can see a Medusa colour swap for Palutena.

Colors? Yes, absolutely. But an alternate costume will not happen.

 

[praline]

Colors? Yes, absolutely. But an alternate costume will not happen.

Pretty sure Sakurai said characters wouldn't have other characters as alt appearances. Like how there'll never be a legit Daisy as a outfit swap for Peach.

 

[Mars-]

Pretty sure Sakurai said characters wouldn't have other characters as alt appearances. Like how there'll never be a legit Daisy as a outfit swap for Peach.

Do you have a link for this? I have not heard this.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Pretty sure Sakurai said characters wouldn't have other characters as alt appearances. Like how there'll never be a legit Daisy as a outfit swap for Peach.

Yes, with "other characters" outfits (I'd like to enphasis on the word Outfit for our friend over there), Sakurai said that the characters lose their uniqueness, or something along those lines.

I remember the rage when a Megaman X outfit was announced for Zero in Marvel vs Capcom 3.

 

[staindgrey]

Sorry to ask for your intervention @ staindgrey but as you are a Daisy fan, can you confirm that Mars is just wrong?

Meanwhile, you can read this. http://smashboards.com/threads/peachs-daisy-costume.351787/ Guess a lot of people are "wrong" according to you.

Sorry, I only saw the end of the conversation. I can't say @ Mars- is entirely wrong, but he is incorrect in his assumption that Daisy is the same as Peach. She isn't.

Daisy's a contrast to Peach in that she's a loud tomboy, more often shown in a sports skirt or a pair of running shorts than a full gown dress. She doesn't pull turnips or float, either. Within the limited scope of Mario "lore", they are very, very different. I'd even argue Rosalina and Peach have more in common than Daisy and Peach.

That said, a pallet swap isn't so bad. She does have different abilities/mannerisms/voice/attire, but we can't be picky. It doesn't make sense for a Fusion-style Samus to have those big ol' shoulders and metallic style chest plate, but any Fusion fan would be happier with a pallet swap than nothing at all.

Still, I'd obviously be a fan of giving Daisy her own hair and voice in Peach's alternate costume, if nothing else. One of these days I plan on making my own imagined Daisy moveset. May do that if I get bored this week.

Hope that helped? (The Daisy icon clearly shows a bias on my side. Sorry about that!)

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Sorry, I only saw the end of the conversation. I can't say @ Mars- is entirely wrong, but he is incorrect in his assumption that Daisy is the same as Peach. She isn't.

Daisy's a contrast to Peach in that she's a loud tomboy, more often shown in a sports skirt or a pair of running shorts than a full gown dress. She doesn't pull turnips or float, either. Within the limited scope of Mario "lore", they are very, very different. I'd even argue Rosalina and Peach have more in common than Daisy and Peach.

That said, a pallet swap isn't so bad. She does have different abilities/mannerisms/voice/attire, but we can't be picky. It doesn't make sense for a Fusion-style Samus to have those big ol' shoulders and metallic style chest plate, but any Fusion fan would be happier with a pallet swap than nothing at all.

Still, I'd obviously be a fan of giving Daisy her own hair and voice in Peach's alternate costume, if nothing else. One of these days I plan on making my own imagined Daisy moveset. May do that if I get bored this week.

Hope that helped? (The Daisy icon clearly shows a bias on my side. Sorry about that!)

Sure, it's still good for Daisy's fans! As I said, I always pick this colors (and sometimes "Wedding Peach") But do you agree that selecting Daisy's alternate colors don't transform Peach into Daisy? That, basically, you don't play AS Daisy?

 

[Mars-]

Sorry, I only saw the end of the conversation. I can't say @ Mars- is entirely wrong, but he is incorrect in his assumption that Daisy is the same as Peach. She isn't.

I never said Peach is the same as daisy, I said the peach costume is daisy.

This is fascinating the inability to read and how quickly people try to reword what I say to prove their point.

 

[staindgrey]

Sure, it's still good for Daisy's fans! As I said, I always pick this colors (and sometimes "Wedding Peach") But do you agree that selecting Daisy's alternate colors don't transform Peach into Daisy? That, basically, you don't play AS Daisy?

Oh, that was the question? Yes. Totally. 100%. That would be like saying if I dressed in my little brother's clothes and that dorky hat he wears all the time, I become him. So not true. We're really not alike, even if we look similar. Daisy fans have a tendency to get upset when someone says she's the same as Peach.

Sorry; I had a limited time here since I'm meeting my parents for a Father's Day dinner and I just skimmed through what you were talking about before.

 

[majora_787]

I never said Peach is the same as daisy, I said the peach costume is daisy.

But the Peach costume isn't Daisy. It's a palette swap based off of Daisy. Reading this last page is a LOT of you equating a lot of things that aren't the same thing for no reason other than to facilitate any of your several scattered "points".

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Oh, that was the question? Yes. Totally. 100%. That would be like saying if I dressed in my little brother's clothes and that dorky hat he wears all the time, I become him. So not true. We're really not alike, even if we look similar. Daisy fans have a tendency to get upset when someone says she's the same as Peach.

Sorry; I had a limited time here since I'm meeting my parents for a Father's Day dinner and I just skimmed through what you were talking about before.

Thanks Again, sorry that I disturbed you (especially on that day!) It just that it was going in circles, and I needed a Daisy expert. You were just the first I thought about

 

[Mars-]

But the Peach costume isn't Daisy. It's a palette swap based off of Daisy. Reading this last page is a LOT of you equating a lot of things that aren't the same thing for no reason other than to facilitate any of your several scattered "points".

No reading this last page is a bunch of 10 year old fanboys who nitpick everything to try and prove their point and avoid reality.

 

[staindgrey]

I never said Peach is the same as daisy, I said the peach costume is daisy.

This is fascinating the inability to read and how quickly people try to reword what I say to prove their point.

Okay does daisy use turnips and float on and umbrella and do all of the stuff peach does in smash?

Oh wait you'll just deny that it's daisy.

I'll be honest, I did not mean to reword what you had said. But the second quote is what had me confused on what your intentions were.

Brown hair + yellow dress = "Yes, it's obviously MEANT to be Daisy." You're right.

But Daisy doesn't pull turnips or float or anything that Peach is known for doing, which ruins the idea of having Daisy in the game. I thought that was the point @ Erotic&Heretic was making. But in all honesty, I'm not trying to stick myself into this argument. I think I was pulled in because I'm a Daisy fan.

Beggars can't be choosers, so I'd be happy enough with a color swap, but Daisy is her own character. It's a compromise, I suppose.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

No reading this last page is a bunch of 10 year old fanboys who nitpick everything to try and prove their point and avoid reality.

Have you considered yourself avoiding the reality that it's just an orange Peach with Ginger hair, and that makes her ressemble Daisy, because it's the main point of this alt color?

 

[Mars-]

I'll be honest, I did not mean to reword what you had said. But the second quote is what had me confused on what your intentions were.

Brown hair + yellow dress = "Yes, it's obviously MEANT to be Daisy." You're right.

But Daisy doesn't pull turnips or float or anything that Peach is known for doing, which ruins the idea of having Daisy in the game. I thought that was the point @ Erotic&Heretic was making. But in all honesty, I'm not trying to stick myself into this argument. I think I was pulled in because I'm a Daisy fan.

Beggars can't be choosers, so I'd be happy enough with a color swap, but Daisy is her own character. It's a compromise, I suppose.

Yes, see we are on the same page here. I like medusa but I don't like her chances of being a separate character. It would be great but I would at least like to see her as a skin over an assist trophy or something like that, similar to what you would like for daisy.