Queen of the Underworld: Vote for Medusa's Homecoming Party!

[chronomantic]

Hades > Medusa > Thanatos. Roughly.

Curious how there are more Medusa fans than there are of Hades (or that's my impression at least) considering the latter is the final boss. Anyway thanks! hope Medusa gets in she looks more interesting than Hades.

 

[Maxilian]

Hades > Medusa > Thanatos. Roughly.

Fun fact: Thanatos and Palutena don't have much screen-time together, and as such, they don't really talk much. The only time they have some kind of conversation is when Palutena asks why Thanatos doesn't outrank Medusa in the Underworld army, with Thanatos avoiding the question.

 

[Maxilian]

Curious how there are more Medusa fans than there are of Hades (or that's my impression at least) considering the latter is the final boss. Anyway thanks! hope Medusa gets in she looks more interesting than Hades.

Well... Medusa is a classic Kid Icarus boss, also... in Uprising you don't see Hades until the first half is done (after you beat Medusa, she was the "main-antagonist" but then is shown that she's working for Hades -and not because she wants-)

 

[andimidna]

Oohh... looks like Medusa is getting a some nominations in he Rate Their Chances Thread.

I bet we could fix up that want score if we tried
Can't make any promises on the chances though, as Palutena has recently been helped a lot.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

You mean nordics right

Damn, at least I was close.

 

[majora_787]

It depends on what you mean. In terms of Uprising alone, Thanatos is a chapter boss, Medusa is the first arc boss for nine chapters, and Hades is the background villain at the very end of the game. For the SERIES, Medusa is the more representative villain than Hades. Because at the end of the day, Hades is essentially the Deathborn or Demise of Kid Icarus; a sudden addition in one new game in the franchise who sat above the franchise antagonist once.

 

[Freaky Mutant Man]

Put me down as a supporter. While Palutena seems almost guaranteed at this point (though there's always the possibility that everybody turns out to be catastrophically wrong about that, but it's a rather slim chance), and I'm very excited to see how she turns out, Medusa is no small contender for a third KI character, as this thread has argued fairly well; indeed, I would wager she's the most likely candidate for that spot. I see no reason why she would end up being a clone that isn't "time constraints" (ala Ganondorf, who made it in primarily because he had a similar body type to C. Falcon and that meant they had a way to just barely squeeze him in there) or "we were lazy, okay," which I highly doubt would be an actually admitted reason. I don't really see Medusa getting in before Palutena, but easily alongside.

She has enough to draw from to put together an interesting moveset, whatever that may be, she has importance over the vast majority of the characters introduced in Uprising, and seniority over all of them. Her mere presence wouldn't be spoileriffic for Uprising, which Hades, the main other major contender for the third slot (in my view, anyway), distinctly would be, his reveal in Uprising being the point where the game lets you know "hey, you know the simple plot you've had so far? About that..." (it didn't stop Lucas from bringing in all kinds of horrible spoilers for Mother 3 with his inclusion in Brawl, but that wasn't an inherent problem with Lucas, just a problem with how they decided to represent stuff like trophies and Porky; I would also wager Uprising being a creation of Sakurai's would make him more mindful of including spoilers, but admittedly he's done stranger things, so who knows).

She's female and a villain, two points in her favor in terms of representation (assuming either or both are concerns of the development team; there's evidence to indicate they're aiming to include more female characters, but little to indicate that villain inclusion is given even vaguely similar priority); indeed, Palutena and Medusa being the two newcomers for Kid Icarus would probably be greatly appreciated by a fairly large crowd for making one franchise repped dominantly by female characters (Uprising's goddesses did much to drive the plot, after all), far bigger than any crowd that would actively detest that same fact (though perhaps less than the crowd who don't care much either way, but they don't really factor into this point precisely because they wouldn't make any noise either way).

Additionally, while Hades first demonstrates what he can really do in a straight up confrontation two chapters from the end and only fully demonstrates said prowess during the final battle, Medusa has a final boss fight in the original and a major fight in Uprising in which she demonstrates two distinct styles of fighting (and two distinct physical forms taken to use those styles). And personally, she seems more well-suited to Smash Bros. than Hades does, who primarily attacks with barrages of projectile attacks from all over his body and, IIRC, is otherwise reliant on his absolutely gigantic size and god powers, with nothing that really translates to the kind of game that Smash Bros. is. While that hasn't really stopped anyone before, Medusa just seems more at home in Smash than Hades would, with a staff to blast magic from and smack people with, to snakes on her head that can snap at enemies and also potentially fire projectiles, the classic Gorgon stone gaze; perhaps I'm just missing something here, but she just feels like she has more going for her.

And perhaps above all for personal reasons for wanting her in the game? A stone gaze special move just sounds like it would be the most delightfully mean thing to spam; even if it's properly balanced for actual fighting, spamming a move that temporarily petrifies people each time it hits is sure to create many entertaining moments. In general, Medusa strikes me as being a fighter focused on screwing your opponents over with unusual status effects, keeping yourself fine and dandy while your enemies try to break through your strange defenses, but perhaps faltering in terms of killing power when it comes time to send them flying.

TL;DR: Medusa seems cool and more likely than some might think.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Put me down as a supporter. While Palutena seems almost guaranteed at this point (though there's always the possibility that everybody turns out to be catastrophically wrong about that, but it's a rather slim chance), and I'm very excited to see how she turns out, Medusa is no small contender for a third KI character, as this thread has argued fairly well; indeed, I would wager she's the most likely candidate for that spot. I see no reason why she would end up being a clone that isn't "time constraints" (ala Ganondorf, who made it in primarily because he had a similar body type to C. Falcon and that meant they had a way to just barely squeeze him in there) or "we were lazy, okay," which I highly doubt would be an actually admitted reason. I don't really see Medusa getting in before Palutena, but easily alongside.

She has enough to draw from to put together an interesting moveset, whatever that may be, she has importance over the vast majority of the characters introduced in Uprising, and seniority over all of them. Her mere presence wouldn't be spoileriffic for Uprising, which Hades, the main other major contender for the third slot (in my view, anyway), distinctly would be, his reveal in Uprising being the point where the game lets you know "hey, you know the simple plot you've had so far? About that..." (it didn't stop Lucas from bringing in all kinds of horrible spoilers for Mother 3 with his inclusion in Brawl, but that wasn't an inherent problem with Lucas, just a problem with how they decided to represent stuff like trophies and Porky; I would also wager Uprising being a creation of Sakurai's would make him more mindful of including spoilers, but admittedly he's done stranger things, so who knows).

She's female and a villain, two points in her favor in terms of representation (assuming either or both are concerns of the development team; there's evidence to indicate they're aiming to include more female characters, but little to indicate that villain inclusion is given even vaguely similar priority); indeed, Palutena and Medusa being the two newcomers for Kid Icarus would probably be greatly appreciated by a fairly large crowd for making one franchise repped dominantly by female characters (Uprising's goddesses did much to drive the plot, after all), far bigger than any crowd that would actively detest that same fact (though perhaps less than the crowd who don't care much either way, but they don't really factor into this point precisely because they wouldn't make any noise either way).

Additionally, while Hades first demonstrates what he can really do in a straight up confrontation two chapters from the end and only fully demonstrates said prowess during the final battle, Medusa has a final boss fight in the original and a major fight in Uprising in which she demonstrates two distinct styles of fighting (and two distinct physical forms taken to use those styles). And personally, she seems more well-suited to Smash Bros. than Hades does, who primarily attacks with barrages of projectile attacks from all over his body and, IIRC, is otherwise reliant on his absolutely gigantic size and god powers, with nothing that really translates to the kind of game that Smash Bros. is. While that hasn't really stopped anyone before, Medusa just seems more at home in Smash than Hades would, with a staff to blast magic from and smack people with, to snakes on her head that can snap at enemies and also potentially fire projectiles, the classic Gorgon stone gaze; perhaps I'm just missing something here, but she just feels like she has more going for her.

And perhaps above all for personal reasons for wanting her in the game? A stone gaze special move just sounds like it would be the most delightfully mean thing to spam; even if it's properly balanced for actual fighting, spamming a move that temporarily petrifies people each time it hits is sure to create many entertaining moments. In general, Medusa strikes me as being a fighter focused on screwing your opponents over with unusual status effects, keeping yourself fine and dandy while your enemies try to break through your strange defenses, but perhaps faltering in terms of killing power when it comes time to send them flying.

TL;DR: Medusa seems cool and more likely than some might think.

Added to the support list!

That's a lovable post, I can't agree more

 

[Cobalsh]

I remember I saw something once that Sakurai was going to put Medusa in Brawl over Pit, but didn't think anyone would recognize her, so Pit got in instead. It kinda makes sense, I guess.

 

[majora_787]

I doubt Sakurai would have added Medusa over PIT, but who knows. The man is an enigma.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

I remember I saw something once that Sakurai was going to put Medusa in Brawl over Pit, but didn't think anyone would recognize her, so Pit got in instead. It kinda makes sense, I guess.

Although, as Majora said, Medusa before Pit would be super weird, it's is REALLY interesting. I'll try to find that.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

I remember I saw something once that Sakurai was going to put Medusa in Brawl over Pit, but didn't think anyone would recognize her, so Pit got in instead. It kinda makes sense, I guess.

Since this IS the same guy who added a fitness trainer and a NES accessory, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.

 

[Freduardo]

Curious how there are more Medusa fans than there are of Hades (or that's my impression at least) considering the latter is the final boss. Anyway thanks! hope Medusa gets in she looks more interesting than Hades.

Cause Medusa was the final boss first. In the original Kid Icarus. So she's still his classic ultimate enemy.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

I doubt Sakurai would have added Medusa over PIT, but who knows. The man is an enigma.

It sounds like that would have just been his personal preference, but he knew that Pit made more sense.

EDIT: I honestly hope that Medusa gets in, so I could finally play as a dark female villain.

 

[andimidna]

Regarding non-Palutena and non-Medusa KI newcomers: I think it''s alright for series that have already added all of it's major characters to start choosing character that have only been in 1 game.
But Palutena and Medusa really do need to get in before we start considering Hades, Viridi, Magnus, Dark Pit, Phosphora, Thanatos, and Pandora +more.. as serious contenders.

I feel like these characters are very relate-able to the Zelda series.
Pit - Link
Palutena - Zelda
Medusa - Ganon
Hades - Demise
Magnus - Groose/Kafei
Dark Pit - Dark Link

You have to add the Link, then the Zelda, then the Ganon, and then the rest are up for grabs. Or at least that's how I see it.

When I see rosters with the Ki roster: Pit, Magnus, Dark Pit... I throw up a little.
Because, to me, all I see is the equivalent of a Zelda roster that is Link, Groose/Kafei, Dark Link... ew. I mean, I like those characters, but over Zelda and Ganon is just ridiculous. I think this is a good way to put it into a different perspective.

 

[majora_787]

Regarding non-Palutena and non-Medusa KI newcomers: I think it''s alright for series that have already added all of it's major characters to start choosing character that have only been in 1 game.
But Palutena and Medusa really do need to get in before we start considering Hades, Viridi, Magnus, Dark Pit, Phosphora, Thanatos, and Pandora +more.. as serious contenders.

I feel like these characters are very relate-able to the Zelda series.
Pit - Link
Palutena - Zelda
Medusa - Ganon
Hades - Demise
Magnus - Groose/Kafei
Dark Pit - Dark Link

You have to add the Link, then the Zelda, then the Ganon, and then the rest are up for grabs. Or at least that's how I see it.

When I see rosters with the Ki roster: Pit, Magnus, Dark Pit... I throw up a little.
Because, to me, all I see is the equivalent of a Zelda roster that is Link, Groose/Kafei, Dark Link... ew. I mean, I like those characters, but over Zelda and Ganon is just ridiculous. I think this is a good way to put it into a different perspective.

If that makes you throw up, people exist who think a generic eggplant wizard or monoeye would get in over Medusa.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

If that makes you throw up, people exist who think a generic eggplant wizard or monoeye would get in over Medusa.

Souflee for Smash4

 

[andimidna]

Oh yea, I forgot:

Monoeye - Octorok
Eggplant Wizard - Gohma

Octorok and Gohma for Smash!
(If you want my reason for pairing certain characters together, just ask)

 

[Freduardo]

Wouldn't Eggplant Wizard be Wizrobe? At best some kind of boss Wizrobe. Like Like in level of irritating.

That said, I would main Monoeye and never turn back. Henchman's Union 404! Where Foot Clan and Koopa Troopas know the power of collective bargaining.

 

[majora_787]

Somehow I don't think the underworld army supports the worker's union.

 

[andimidna]

Link to Gamexplain's discussion: http://youtu.be/6IRta_ieYTY

Gamexplain gives a nice view on Medusa near the end of the video.
Implying how it's likely Pit and Palutena will be the KI playable characters, but it would be best to have the main 3 of Kid Icarus appear, it's a video about assist trophies, so that's what they're talking about regarding her, but it was nice to see more people making sense when viewing the characters of the series.
I only say this because, on Miiverse, a common view I see is that the 2nd KI character is a toss-up between Magnus and Palutena... and that's just... so... wrong....
As much as I want the main 3 as playable characters, it would be a bit of a... surprise.
But she's one of the most deserving for a secondary role, being an assist or a pokeball pokemon boss character.
I'm hoping for Medusa too, but the only way I'll be angry is if alongside not being playable, she's also not even an assist or a boss. Not putting her in the game at all would be a missed opportunity, and with Sakurai's focus on Kid Icarus, I'd be shocked to see KI's Ganon completely overlooked and forgotten. So finger crossed for the best role possible, because no matter what, she'll be in the game somehow.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Well, I can't say it's not a biased opinion, but I'm seriously starting to get somewhat confident that we will get 3 Kid Icarus characters. If Starfox can get 3 characters and if Kirby can get two characters at once, there's no reasons KI can't, considering it's one of the 8 SSB4 big games.

I'm maybe starting to look in this "8 games thing" too much.

 

[majora_787]

Well, I can't say it's not a biased opinion, but I'm seriously starting to get somewhat confident that we will get 3 Kid Icarus characters. If Starfox can get 3 characters and if Kirby can get two characters at once, there's no reasons KI can't, considering it's one of the 8 SSB4 big games.

I'm maybe starting to look in this "8 games thing" too much.

Not to mention MOTHER is sitting there with two characters. But yes.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Not to mention MOTHER is sitting there with two characters. But yes.

Please tell me you're not saying "yes" about the fact I'm a biased fanboy who is grasping at straws

By the way, I think Mother had a privileged treatment, considering Hal Laboratory worked on this serie.

 

[majora_787]

Please tell me you're not saying "yes" about the fact I'm a biased fanboy who is grasping at straws

By the way, I think Mother had a privileged treatment, considering Hal Laboratory worked on this serie.

Isn't that what fan threads are all about? ;D Being a biased fanbuoy / fangrill?

Though really no, I just meant yeah. Kid Icarus is being held very highly with series that have 2/3+ characters themselves, and really Mother having 2 characters says a lot for other more prominent franchises getting more than that.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Medusa vs Ganon, now that's a fight I'll anticipate. It will most likely end in kissing and romance blood and darkness in the long run.

 

[majora_787]

Medusa vs Ganon, now that's a fight I'll anticipate. It will most likely end in kissing and romance blood and darkness in the long run.

Wow hey cool your jets. >:O

But yeah, Medusa vs de-cloned Ganondorf would definitely be an awesome fight to witness.

 

[Maxilian]

Wow hey cool your jets. >:O

But yeah, Medusa vs de-cloned Ganondorf would definitely be an awesome fight to witness.

and then a Palutena vs Zelda.... a battle full of yuri spells of mass destruction, the goodess of light and the owner of the triforce of wisdom

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Or Medusa VS Medusa. A battle of epic proportions.

Just like our good ol' running gag

 

[DustyPumpkin]

Or Medusa VS Medusa. A battle of epic proportions.

Just like our good ol' running gag

WHICH SIDEboob WILL YOU CHOOSE??

 

[majora_787]

If both sides of the sideboob are taking place, won't the ESRB start having a problem?

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Well, it's only the sides, not the middle

 

[majora_787]

Well, it's only the sides, not the middle

Look at what you've turned this thread into. xD

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Look at what you've turned this thread into. xD

And I ain't even mad!



Should I bring back the debate about how she would walk and run in Smash? Feets or Snake tail?

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

And I ain't even mad!



Should I bring back the debate about how she would walk and run in Smash? Feets or Snake tail?

Feet, nuff said. :drool:

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Feet, nuff said. :drool:

I would also like to see some monsterish feets, like her hands. I think that seeing her barefooted would look good on her.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

I would also like to see some monsterish feets, like her hands. I think that seeing her barefooted would look good on her.

She is a creature of darkness after all, so having her barefoot would contrast very well with Pretty Palutena's heels.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

She is a creature of darkness after all, so having her barefoot would contrast very well with Pretty Palutena's heels.

And all she needs is a violent sparta underworld kick

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

And all she needs is a violent sparta underworld kick

And that's why Ganon and Medusa were meant for each other.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

And that's why Ganon and Medusa were meant for each other.

Absolutely!