Puzzle League/Panel De Pon General (Former SSB4 Lip Support Thread)

[JaidynReiman]

I really can't see Intelligent Systems doing a Panel de Pon platformer before a new puzzle game. The best I can see is mixing in an RPG mode, similar to the original Story Mode but obviously with more exploration, and more matches; you'd just get combos together to defeat enemies that come up, of course. Maybe even have characters with actual levels, and the enemies take higher point counts to defeat the further along you are in the game, but you can deal more damage the higher your level is.



That's the best I can see to expand the games right now. I'd love say a Panel de Pon platformer, but that's unlikely to happen. Going back to the puzzle genre is so much easier to handle.

 

[N. Onymous]

That's more of what I meant. A platformer would be cool but an RPG-type game is more likely in the long run (hence why I listed two companies that primarily work on or have worked on RPGs).

My dream game is still Panel de Pon RPG by the Mario & Luigi team, by the way. ^^

 

[Kawai nic]

Like what ? Lip & Windy : Magical Maze ? xD

 

[TheWolfBunny]

Panel de Pon's story mode with RPG elements would sound interesting for a change!
I HAVE been Pokemon Puzzle League and Tetris Attack to prepare myself for the next games.

So, continue spreading the word so Puzzle League can return! As an eShop only franchise.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

Panel de Pon's story mode with RPG elements and would sound interesting for a change!
I HAVE been Pokemon Puzzle League and Tetris Attack to prepare myself for the next game.

That's what I've been suggesting. A new Panel de Pon, with fairies of course, with a story and being an RPG Puzzle game. Worked well with Puzzle and Dragons.

 

[TheWolfBunny]

Now, the VS. mode of an RPG Panel de Pon should remain untouched.
I would love to battle people online!

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

Now, the VS. mode of an RPG Panel de Pon should remain untouched.
I would love to battle people online!

Well yeah duh. There would be 4 modes. Story, 1p vs COM, Local, Online.

 

[TheWolfBunny]

Well yeah duh. There would be 4 modes. Story, 1p vs COM, Local, Online.

I would tear up opponents one by one.

Who here can come up with a trailer for Lip that has herself, Yoshi, Pikachu, and Lip's successor, Furil?

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

I would tear up opponents one by one.

Who here can come up with a trailer for Lip that has herself, Yoshi, Pikachu, and Lip's successor, Furil?

I honestly have no idea who Furil is (never played Panel de Pon)

 

[TheWolfBunny]

I honestly have no idea who Furil is (never played Panel de Pon)

Furil is from the GameCube version of Panel de Pon, as part of one of three games of the JP-only Nintendo Puzzle Collection. I know my Panel de Pon fairies.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

Furil is from the GameCube version of Panel de Pon, as part of one of three games of the JP-only Nintendo Puzzle Collection. I know my Panel de Pon fairies.

What does she look like. I heard she looks like Lip.

 

[JaidynReiman]

What does she look like. I heard she looks like Lip.

She's supposed to be Lip's descendant or something... I think.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

She's supposed to be Lip's descendant or something... I think.

That's kinda stupid.

 

[N. Onymous]

Furil looks basically like Lip except with a curlier ponytail, no blue-orb scrunchie, and flower-patterned brooches instead of flowers on her dress and boots.

One of the biggest reasons I want an RPG spinoff of Panel de Pon to happen is for the world-building aspect. The fairy world has a very appealing dream-like aesthetic, and I'd love to get the chance to delve deeper into its lore, get acquainted with the local fauna, and that sort of thing. ...Does this make me a nerd?

 

[Kawai nic]

Furil is the goddamn daughter of Lip.

 

[N. Onymous]

Furil certainly isn't very far removed if she looks that much like Lip.

 

[Kawai nic]

It could be two generations, the gen of Lip, and the gen of Furil with adult Lip.

 

[TheWolfBunny]

Furil can be Lip's alternate skin color like what happened with Olimar when he can be changed.
At the end of Lip's trailer, Furil with puppy eyes should tell her mom (Lip) if she can join. Lip allows her to join, as an alternate costume.

 

[N. Onymous]

No matter her relations, Furil may be adorable, but Lip will always be Nintendo's original fairy cutie. ^^

I'd thought of Furil being an alternate costume for Lip before, but that trailer idea is super cute (although it'd be a bit weird unless Lip got an older redesign, which I can't see Nintendo doing).

 

[TheWolfBunny]

OK, we're 8 days away to the Nintendo Digital Event, Puzzlers, so, keep them vote counting!!! Sakurai, heed us panel poppers!

Update!!!
HOLD THE PHONE EVERYBODY!!!!!!!
Sakurai himself will have a video presentation about Smash on June 14th, 7:40 AM PT, with new content on the way!!!!!
How crazy is that!?!? So, we could get Lip or we might not. But anyways, DON'T MISS IT!!!!

 

[JBRPG]

I am happy for all the enthusiasm for coming up with other ideas on how to evolve the panel de pon/ puzzle league. However, the big problem is that there is a lot of barriers you have to get through, especially with Intelligent Systems being a smaller 2nd party development studio.

We will have to focus more on her strengths (Lip's stick item, Lip's theme music remix, the game legacy, game mechanics, move set interpretation, and a decent cult) as well as acknowledging the potential weakness that stand in her way (Japan only, last entry involving panel de pon characters was 2003 with Nintendo Puzzle Collection, having a very niche audience)

While we do have a cult status on smash boards, we will have to put more effort in bringing up more awareness of Lip and the series by studying its games, history with Nintendo and Smash, and fleshing out more moveset ideas that would fit in the smash world.

You guys might want to take a look at a recent example on character awareness building:

Famicom Tentei Club Detective Support - Operation Tachibana Page 4

There is actually at least one dedicated fan who's putting effort in to bring awareness to rest of us smash fans

If we can return to awareness building, then we can increase the likelihood of the panel-popping fairy making the cut by ballot.



One example of acknowledging her weakness is a niche audience and low sales number in the 100,000-500,000 unit range for each game related to Panel De Pon

Closest source for sales is VG chartz, but information for some games are inaccurate

Keep in mind that the site displays approximated sales in millions, we display global sales
We will include international releases as well.

Nintendo Puzzle Collection (Japan only) Nintendo 2003 GC - 130,000 units
Tetris Attack (should be US and EU sales, not japan) 1996
SNES version - 150,000 units
Gameboy Version - 230,000 units
Pokemon Puzzle League 2000 N64 (not released to Japan) - 450,000 units
Planet Puzzle League 2007 DS - 330,000 units
Dr Mario / Puzzle League 2005 GBA - 330,000 units

Based on these sales numbers and that the cast of fairies are not featured in the international releases, it's safe to assume that the low sales numbers and the aesthetics being very separate from the mechanics hinders her chances from becoming a full-fledged fighter.


For an example of strength, Lip's stick is included as an item because of its unique ability to grow flowers, and it's been kept that way ever since Melee. That item is the closest we can get to Sakurai's series acknowledgement unless we dig deeper.

However, we can still push her to be a viable choice from the ballot

 

[Kawai nic]

The sells are so low ? O_o

Okay, it's dead...

 

[JBRPG]

The sells are so low ? O_o

Okay, it's dead...

If we can return to awareness building, then we can increase the likelihood of the panel-popping fairy making the cut by ballot.

I see that I have not clarified the part about acknowledging weaknesses and using the best strengths, but I was trying to point out that we got to focus more on awareness building since the ballot is open, we can increase her odds in getting smash, by DLC or future installments thanks to various pieces of material referenced in smash. Treating it as a social thread about Panel de Pon alone does not help.

 

[TheWolfBunny]

And I know just how to do that. People, let's buy copies of ALL OF THE GAMES, so the series has a more likeliness to make a return. And we need to keep them votes coming, or Ljp is doomed.

 

[N. Onymous]

I had no idea the sales were so low. o.o No wonder Lip is so obscure. This is what happens when you don't advertise your games, people...

Personally I still blame whatever executive was *ahem* "responsible" for Planet Puzzle League. You took a franchise that was kinda niche to begin with, and you revamp it to be completely unappealing to that niche. What did you expect would happen?

Still, with Nintendo edging back into the puzzle market lately (not to mention bringing out Puzzle and Dragons which has a similar presentation to the PDP franchise), I say it can't be long until they revisit Lippy and friends.

The sells are so low ? O_o

Okay, it's dead...

Cut it out. Seriously.

This defeatist attitude has never gotten anyone anywhere, especially not in this fandom. Just because a series is obscure/unpopular now doesn't mean that can't change. I mean, just look at Shantae. Giving up on Lip just because of low sales is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Don't let this kill your hope. If anything, it should motivate you to work even harder to get the word out!

However, we

I don't think you finished your post, bud. : P

I think using Operation Tachibana as a starting point or a source of inspiration is a great idea myself. It seems like they know what they're doing!

 

[JaidynReiman]

I am happy for all the enthusiasm for coming up with other ideas on how to evolve the panel de pon/ puzzle league. However, the big problem is that there is a lot of barriers you have to get through, especially with Intelligent Systems being a smaller 2nd party development studio.

We will have to focus more on her strengths (Lip's stick item, Lip's theme music remix, the game legacy, game mechanics, move set interpretation, and a decent cult) as well as acknowledging the potential weakness that stand in her way (Japan only, last entry involving panel de pon characters was 2003 with Nintendo Puzzle Collection, having a very niche audience)

While we do have a cult status on smash boards, we will have to put more effort in bringing up more awareness of Lip and the series by studying its games, history with Nintendo and Smash, and fleshing out more moveset ideas that would fit in the smash world.

The funny thing about this? SO MANY PEOPLE right now think that Intelligent Systems are big enough to create a massive Fire Emblem sequel (FE If), Code Name: STEAM, two Pushmo games, and help out on SMT X FE, not to mention ALSO develop a brand new Paper Mario game on WII U of all things! All of which only in a two-year period.


Paper Mario simply isn't happening, not this year. Panel de Pon is a lot more likely because its a much smaller game overall.

 

[N. Onymous]

Yeah, seems to me like a lot of people are treating IS like it's a major development house instead of a subsidiary of Nintendo. They only really seem to have the budget for one "major" release per year, and they put out smaller and simpler titles like Pushmo and the like to fill the gaps in between.

All in all, I say it's easier if we focus on Lip's strengths if we want to convince people to vote for her. We can mention that her series is relatively small and under-the-radar, but we shouldn't dwell on it too much because that might make people think "well, what's the point of voting for her then?" Good salesmanship is key.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Intelligent Systems puts out a lot of games, but most of those games are smaller scale games. They're actually bigger then Retro Studios, but not by much. IS does smaller games than Retro and can do a lot more, but that's the thing; they're all SMALLER games. Retro does much bigger projects overall.



Retro is probably working on two games right now. IS? They've been working on like 5-6 over the past couple of years. They can't be doing Paper Mario on top of that, I do not believe it for one second. IS might have just started a new Paper Mario game, but at the same time, it is telling when you realize the ONLY Wii U title they've done is Pushmo World.


Supposedly IS has been doing a Wii U title since 2013. However, it was one employee who had that; I think its a lot more likely that this guy is simply one of the few IS people working on SMT X FE.

 

[N. Onymous]

The title that's been in the works since 2013 might be the very same rumored Wii U Paper Mario you don't think they could be working on. Two years sounds like a reasonable amount of time to get a workable beta build.

Panel de Pon is one of their smaller franchises (by a long shot... ^^; ), so if they ever decided they wanted to get back into things and expand the world with an RPG title or something, they'd probably outsource most of the development to another studio like I mentioned earlier.

 

[JaidynReiman]

The title that's been in the works since 2013 might be the very same rumored Wii U Paper Mario you don't think they could be working on. Two years sounds like a reasonable amount of time to get a workable beta build.

Panel de Pon is one of their smaller franchises (by a long shot... ^^; ), so if they ever decided they wanted to get back into things and expand the world with an RPG title or something, they'd probably outsource most of the development to another studio like I mentioned earlier.

I think the guy is just one of IS's employees that's working with Atlus on SMT X FE. That game started development in 2013 as well.

 

[N. Onymous]

Mmm, it's possible...

If we want to have anything like Operation Tachibana to help get the word out bout Panel de Pon and Lippy, then we'd better start soon. Four months might seem like a long time, but any amount of time is less time than you'd think and honestly here, Lip needs all the help she can get. Does anyone have any ideas for ways they could contribute?

 

[TheWolfBunny]

Mmm, it's possible...

If we want to have anything like Operation Tachibana to help get the word out bout Panel de Pon and Lippy, then we'd better start soon. Four months might seem like a long time, but any amount of time is less time than you'd think and honestly here, Lip needs all the help she can get. Does anyone have any ideas for ways they could contribute?

I got an idea. I'll make a campaign poster, and in fact, I happen to have one super special puzzling one RIGHT HERE! Post it if you may!!!

 

[JBRPG]

I got an idea. I'll make a campaign poster, and in fact, I happen to have one super special puzzling one RIGHT HERE! Post it if you may!!!

That image poster is a good start, but things can be improved in readability and contrast:

• Since the background is very saturated and rainbow-y, and the images in the front are colorful, it's quite difficult to read some text in colors as well as some character sprites like Lip. That can be fixed by adding some black and white borders
• The font on the messages seem to be a little small for an average reader. The text should be bigger to improve readability
• The smash Bros Fighter Ballot is perfect contrast against the colorful background, but it can be smaller so it does not take too much room, but should still be read
• Could also include the Panel de Pon logo to emphasize origin of series

Anyways that should be enough critique to work with.

 

[TheWolfBunny]

Well, this was the best I could do. Let's hope this gets a lot of reblogs and likes on Tumblr.

 

[N. Onymous]

I'd desaturate the background a bit more, yeah. Maybe double the panel size too? It looks a little bit too busy as it is, to me.

I do like it otherwise!

 

[PsychoJosh]

You could make the background larger, as in, zoom in on the panels more so there's less "noise" on the screen.

 

[N. Onymous]

You could make the background larger, as in, zoom in on the panels more so there's less "noise" on the screen.

This is just what I meant. It looks fine to me honestly, but there are ways it could be better (putting the focus more on Lip for instance).

 

[TheWolfBunny]

Any time this can get posted on Tumblr?

 

[Kawai nic]

I've made this for lol.

 

[N. Onymous]

Any time this can get posted on Tumblr?

I could do it right now on F Yeah Panel de Pon.