Iamthemovie
Smash Journeyman
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Can someone fill me in on what the plans are for TLink? It looks like he's gonna be the N64 version of link what with his UpB distance, dashA, Fsmash.
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b2j135
Da Bess Pit
personally, I think they ALL will be in I don't see any point of just including a few characters like last time.Are we allowed to know which characters will will be in the 2nd demo?
Shadic
Alakadoof?
We've hinted at the roster, but we're not likely to give a specific list until closer to the release date.
Toon Link is a mix of Brawl Toon Link, Smash 64 Link, and Young Link.
He has Young Link's arrows but better, a very useful boomerang, dash attack has the starting angle of Young Link's from Melee, (which was very good) and the sex-properties of Link64's.
We've mixed him into a very interesting/creative character. He feels more more unique than either of the Link clones have in Melee/Brawl, and he's quite fun.
JediKnightTemplar
Smash Lord
Not sure if trolling...
Fly_Amanita
Master of Caribou
Yay UC internet.
The second demo should be cool.
b2j135
Da Bess Pit
not trolling, I'm serious
I mean c'mon! What's the excuse?
Brawl+, BB ect. had NO problems using every character in their development builds, this is no different.
Only when they deem the build ready for a revision then we got a changelist for everything...it just seems weird that they would keep the formula of "teaspoon feeding" us with such a small cast.
Shadic
Alakadoof?
Nope. That's part of the secret.
And if we mentioned it now and couldn't make it to that many, it would be a disappointment.
King Luigi 128
Smash Cadet
Not with that attitude you won't.
Yea seriously, don't be stupid... buy (or better yet, pre-order) the game!
You do realize that it's possible to use both Riivolution and the "hack-less" method at the same time right?
(Both methods require the use of an original disc too.. so all that's needed are a few minor file changes.)
......
If your System Menu is 4.0 (or higher), the Wii can use SDHC Cards (from 4 to 32GB)!
The problem is that Brawl can't use them.. (it was released long before the 4.0 update)!
(Even though the Wii has always been able to read them..
Nintendo has kept that ability locked until that update.
So any disc-based game made before 'March 25, 2009' won't
be able to recognize SDHC Cards as something useable.)
I swear this stuff should be fairly common knowledge by now.
Woah ho ho ho ho ho! You are having a joke!
Surely you know I am the wonderful Tom Nook, yes?
MonkUnit
Project M Back Roomer
Thanks for the correction about SD cards.
9Kplus1
Smash Master
I already reserved Xenoblade like a cool person. I'm obsessed with Muramasa for the time being.
Revven
FrankerZ
This has been explained before.not trolling, I'm serious
I mean c'mon! What's the excuse?
Brawl+, BB ect. had NO problems using every character in their development builds, this is no different.
Only when they deem the build ready for a revision then we got a changelist for everything...it just seems weird that they would keep the formula of "teaspoon feeding" us with such a small cast.
The reason not all characters are included from the get-go is because if we did so, players who do not follow this thread or any PM info at all, will get the impression those characters included (who are not finished by any stretch of the imagination) are set in stone and that is how they will play in the final game.
Yes, I'm serious. People do easily believe such things. Melee players especially so, and that can "condemn" the project if say, a character like Olimar is shoved in the demo 2 "just because" even though he's not at all complete and plays pretty much like Brawl Olimar. It would throw off the whole notion that the game is balanced when you have a character unfinished as him running around, wrecking everyone else because lots of things about him are nowhere near as polished (things like hitboxes, rolls, grab range, playstyle, and so on). It gives the wrong impression, a demo is supposed to show off what we have mostly completed. Not give out everything and then have people coming out of it with a sour experience because the people they played with tried a character that was very clearly incomplete.
And simply stating who is incomplete or not touched doesn't change anything, as 90% of people don't take the time to read anything. People just want to play.
Brawl+ and those other mods? Huge difference. They were public beta, they were far different and honestly, a lot of what was going on then was experimenting and toying around with things way too much, with a really small audience that understood what was going on and was mostly okay with X character not being finished or having anything done. Not to mention, the lack of any way to restrict characters from player usage anyway (not that they had any reason to hide or hold back characters).
I'm sorry you might not agree with us on it, but it's for the best. When we want our game to appeal to a broader audience, we can't have unfinished characters running around in a public demo that anyone can play as that doesn't help us get any sort of "feedback", all that does is show us that "yeah we know X unfinished character is dumb against X character, because the unfinished character is... not finished."
You don't gain anything by being able to play as Olimar, as... there's nothing exciting about him that would make you want to play him, he is by and large a character that is 95% Brawl. Sacrificing the balance in demo 2 so you can play a character as unfinished as Olimar doesn't help spread the game around, it only hurts its popularity as people will mock it, take what we've released at face value as what we are "sticking with" for whenever the final release is.
One of the points of a demo is to gain interest in the game. Another point is to gauge "how we're doing" with said game, and including characters who we've barely worked on does not fall under either point. In the end, we're deciding what we deem is necessary to be in the next demo and we've made up our mind on how we're handling these releases already.
I hope you understand and can look forward to whatever we put out, regardless of the size of the content.
felipe_9595
Smash Lord
Yeah, he is really nice, the Up B is really good, Multihit in ground and a Ko move in air.
GP&B
Ike 'n' Ike
For God's sake, felipe. We already discussed that you're not supposed to talk about the leak that you shouldn't even have in the first place.
felipe_9595
Smash Lord
What leak?? What are you talking about.
GP&B
Ike 'n' Ike
Wow, are you kidding? I seriously just saw the youtube link you had.
And don't play dumb. You used to go on endlessly about stuff from the leaked version you had and you even posted several videos.
EDIT: And leaving it there as per the kitchen hardware's demands.
And don't play dumb. You used to go on endlessly about stuff from the leaked version you had and you even posted several videos.
EDIT: And leaving it there as per the kitchen hardware's demands.
standardtoaster
Tubacabra
Let's drop it here.
9Kplus1
Smash Master
Toaster, your avatar perfectly represents the message that your post conveys. Good stuff.
Mad respect for Falco400's post as to why not add all characters. It makes perfect sence when explained like that.
But I must point out that there is a huge contradiction in that post in that characters like Lucas/Zelda/Snake DON'T play at all like they do in the demo anymore. They have had moves changed on top of all the various physics changes and resemble nothing to what we first played in the 1st demo.
Also why is everyones avatar in this thread of a japanese anime girl doing some weird stuff with her mouth.
But I must point out that there is a huge contradiction in that post in that characters like Lucas/Zelda/Snake DON'T play at all like they do in the demo anymore. They have had moves changed on top of all the various physics changes and resemble nothing to what we first played in the 1st demo.
Also why is everyones avatar in this thread of a japanese anime girl doing some weird stuff with her mouth.
Shadic
Alakadoof?
The project has matured a lot since the first demo, both in our overall capabilities, our direction is more refined, and we've gotten better at designing characters.
While it would be silly to claim that we won't significantly revamp any released characters, it's much less likely than it was with the first demo.
The first demo was more of a snapshot as to where we currently were in development, while the second demo should be seen as more of a true teaser for the game. Neither will perfectly represent the project by the time we're done, but the second one will do a lot better job than the first.
Not I.
MonkUnit
Project M Back Roomer
Nor I.
MonkUnit
Project M Back Roomer
So who won that round robin and what's the name of your crew now, Neko?
standardtoaster
Tubacabra
Thought it would have been something like ":V".
Ecks
Smash Lord
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Not contradictory when you remember the magic words the PMBR just can't seem to stress enough: "Everything is subject to change".
Anyway, was Wavedash on slopes fixed? I saw Neko wdashing in Corneria and the Wdash wasn't shortened or lengthened.
Edit: Also back to my old avy, because 9kplus1 insisted.
Anyway, was Wavedash on slopes fixed? I saw Neko wdashing in Corneria and the Wdash wasn't shortened or lengthened.
Edit: Also back to my old avy, because 9kplus1 insisted.
JC'z last stream had some TL (although he got tossed around pretty bad)
lovin' that 64 up-b btw
Mattnumbers
Smash Master
Lucas has changed a lot since the first demo, but is he stable enough now to be in the second one?
JCaesar
Smash Hero
Wait, you're the best player in SoVa? In that case, I got a crew name suggestion: SoFree
9Kplus1
Smash Master
Neko's Falco is almost as legit as Reneblade's Puff
He is certainly not free
He is certainly not free
Fly_Amanita
Master of Caribou
My swashbuckling crew consists of all of the level 1 CPUs and myself.
Wait, you're the best player in SoVa? In that case, I got a crew name suggestion: SoFree
Lolololol oh u
Nah. There are way better melee players than me in sova. If they picked up P:M, they deff beat me.
Out of my crew though, I'm the best player. For now. Lol.
Yooo you saw my team battle with double falco. My falco was beast.
Juushichi
sugoi ~ sugoi ~
Hi Shanus!
(not particularly directed at you, but) Why does it seem like Jigglypuff's recovery is worse now? Her jumps or her air mobility seems to be hindered from Melee.
(not particularly directed at you, but) Why does it seem like Jigglypuff's recovery is worse now? Her jumps or her air mobility seems to be hindered from Melee.
Stevo
Smash Champion
Demo is outdated
Juushichi
sugoi ~ sugoi ~
I'm talking about current streams (JCeaser's).
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