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Project M Social Thread
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Da Cheef
Vashimus
Smash Master
Yeah yeah yeah, checks and counters, scarfers, blah blah. I've been playing for a long time. I would think I would know how to handle a Salamence if it set up, thank you very much. But I know a useful Pokemon when I see one. Nay, USE one, rather than theory craft. Is he a mediocre Pokemon overall? Yes. Can he be useful? Hell yes. If he wasn't, why the hell would Smogon even bother putting up UU and OU analysis' and strategies for Quagsire when he's RU?
Back to P:M....
Juushichi
sugoi ~ sugoi ~
Goddamn, Eli.
Stop making me want to pick up Luigi seriously.
Also, think of this thread as (For) The (People who play) Project M, Social thread and you'll be a-okay. If you want stage talk, there's a thread for that. Character viability, thread for that. Characters? subforum for that. Badda-bing, badda-boom.
Stop making me want to pick up Luigi seriously.
Also, think of this thread as (For) The (People who play) Project M, Social thread and you'll be a-okay. If you want stage talk, there's a thread for that. Character viability, thread for that. Characters? subforum for that. Badda-bing, badda-boom.
bubbaking
Smash Hero
Bring up a good topic, Laijin, and you can be guaranteed that I'll respond.
tl;dr - These Pokemon just serve different roles. In a sense, they're on different sides of the 'reaction table'. They're both mediocre, though.
@Vash: I understand you completely. Have you checked out Victreebel's sets on Smogon lately? I didn't know how beast that monster could potentially be until a friend enlightened me. I've never run into it, but now I know to be properly fearful if I do.
Unaware is bad? I always just thought it was the Pokemon not the ability.
Uh, well, I'm gonna slightly disagree with you on this. "Erufuun" and Quagsire simply aren't comparable. Erufuun keeps you from setting up with priority Taunt shenanigans, but once the poke has already set-up, she's kinda useless. Quagsire nullifies set-up, so he can still switch in on those who've done so. In other words, with Quag, you're allowed to make a proper 'check' move after you've confirmed the set-up.
tl;dr - These Pokemon just serve different roles. In a sense, they're on different sides of the 'reaction table'. They're both mediocre, though.
@Vash: I understand you completely. Have you checked out Victreebel's sets on Smogon lately? I didn't know how beast that monster could potentially be until a friend enlightened me. I've never run into it, but now I know to be properly fearful if I do.
Vashimus
Smash Master
Well, Whimsicott also has priority Encore to lock the opponent into the set-up move, then it can just do whatever it wants from there. Only difference is Quahsire gives you more leeway since you don't have to predict like beast as much as you would with Whimsi.
You know, if Kinky had a Pokemon, it'd be Whimsicott. Screw Charizard.
You know, if Kinky had a Pokemon, it'd be Whimsicott. Screw Charizard.
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Laijin: It's a social thread, lol.
ZeroFrames
Smash Cadet
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Does anybody know if the Subspaceemissary will be playable in the final version?
bubbaking
Smash Hero
True, but the major problem here is Teeeeaaam Previeeeeew. For example, if I have a Shell Smash Cloyster and I see that you have Whimsi in Team Preview, then whenever I pull out my Cloyster, I'm not thinking twice. I'm Icicle Spearing RIGHT OFF THE BAT. Whimsi's probably gone (switched in) and I win. I'm talking from experience because this is EXACTLY what I did against one of these former BW 'VGC finalists' on PO (also happens to be a friend of mine) and it won me the match, and this was back when half of everyone online was running Whimsi because it was supposedly 'broken'. This problem wouldn't happen to Quag, of course. Quag would wall Cloyser regardless of whatever it did.
The moral of the story is that Team Preview invalidates a bunch of pokes.
ELI-mination
Smash Champion
If anyone finds any awesome combo/clips (keep it relatively short) of P:M, please send me the link in a private message
maybe it'll get featured in an upcoming video of mine
maybe it'll get featured in an upcoming video of mine
Vashimus
Smash Master
If there was no team preview, Zoroark would be a beast.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
Are subspace and the other 1p / Co-op modes playable in 2.5b?
bubbaking
Smash Hero
GHNeko, are you working on those vids?
GunBlaze
Smash Lord
Subspace has quite a bunch of Ivysaurs, and only two of them work. DON'T USE WITHDRAW WITH SQUIRTLE!
Classic freezes after a certain number of stages, or if you face Sonic, it does instantly.
voorhese
Smash Master
So i played this game finally. I played some lucas with a friend, I made a post about it on FB and I am too lazy to remake it, so here u go =P
"Played some PM with Adam today to learn lucas...the kid is OP.
examples; you can either hold down + back to auto shine behind u instantly, OR shine then turn around, if u do it the 2nd way there is actually 2 hitbox's
as you put the shine out it has a hitbox, and then again when u turn it around on the other side (not sure if it works or not, but I am thinking you can cross up someone shield and hit it twice, once in front and once on the turn around).
His dthrow HAS to be DI'd behind him or it combos into upsmash really ****ing easy, and pretty much does even if it is DI'd behind him and he has his neutral b charged. If he doesn't he can just combo off of his dthrow.
Also he can JC his shine like fox right?
so think about it (this actually came to me in my sleep);
u can shine on the ground -> jump shine (double shine), Shine -> jump (higher) shine -> air dodge (westballz pressure, which is meh honestly, but this is where it gets intense)
you can also do that, but instead of air dodging down like fox/falco, you can double jump cancel into late aerials and go into more pressure.
he can shine grab also, and one of the pressure I think I really like with him is that when u hold his down b it keeps putting out a hitbox, and you can let go of b and jump cancel it, so you can actually mix up the time you actually cancel your shine
now with the shine turn around stuff I figured out a way to get to the ledge quick, u know shine turn around -> upb with fox?
u can do reverse down b -> jump -> tether
and then to easily time the invincibility you need for edgeguarding you can press back to let go of the ledge -> tether
his start up on neutral b pushes people away, so it's like marios cape when it comes to edgeguarding too >_< (i think adam discovered this one,i don't remember, we both we just ****ing around a lot and learned quick)
a fun little combo is shine -> jc -> forward b behind you, it has enough stun that you usually get some easy grabs off of it (idk about DI)
But because of his ability to DJC aerials/projectiles etc he has a lot of good spacing tools, and he has the high jump aerials instead of djc added since it's pm, so that's just more aerial options.
Adam said he is pretty sure his jab has set knock back, and it seemed like it to me too, so it's a nice way to combo into his grab, which sets him up for easy kills.
one of the things I was doing on shield was shine -> jump back -> shine in the other direction -> instant turn around (giving me a hitbox in front) (this was done to dodge lucas's big grab if he mashed shield grab). Then if the shine hit his shield I would djc into more pressure, and if it hit him I would air dodge down and back to tech chase.
there is a few more things I can't remember with out the game on and the controller in my hand right now =P but....
he has a ken combo....chain grabs.....shine.....easy kill off of dthrow...ledge stalling....several knee-esque moves....easy tech chases.....intense mixups.....the mother ****er is everything good in melee in 1 character
AND he has a tether recovery, which is super gay in pm
I love lucas so much now after 1 day of playing him."
"Played some PM with Adam today to learn lucas...the kid is OP.
examples; you can either hold down + back to auto shine behind u instantly, OR shine then turn around, if u do it the 2nd way there is actually 2 hitbox's
as you put the shine out it has a hitbox, and then again when u turn it around on the other side (not sure if it works or not, but I am thinking you can cross up someone shield and hit it twice, once in front and once on the turn around).
His dthrow HAS to be DI'd behind him or it combos into upsmash really ****ing easy, and pretty much does even if it is DI'd behind him and he has his neutral b charged. If he doesn't he can just combo off of his dthrow.
Also he can JC his shine like fox right?
so think about it (this actually came to me in my sleep);
u can shine on the ground -> jump shine (double shine), Shine -> jump (higher) shine -> air dodge (westballz pressure, which is meh honestly, but this is where it gets intense)
you can also do that, but instead of air dodging down like fox/falco, you can double jump cancel into late aerials and go into more pressure.
he can shine grab also, and one of the pressure I think I really like with him is that when u hold his down b it keeps putting out a hitbox, and you can let go of b and jump cancel it, so you can actually mix up the time you actually cancel your shine
now with the shine turn around stuff I figured out a way to get to the ledge quick, u know shine turn around -> upb with fox?
u can do reverse down b -> jump -> tether
and then to easily time the invincibility you need for edgeguarding you can press back to let go of the ledge -> tether
his start up on neutral b pushes people away, so it's like marios cape when it comes to edgeguarding too >_< (i think adam discovered this one,i don't remember, we both we just ****ing around a lot and learned quick)
a fun little combo is shine -> jc -> forward b behind you, it has enough stun that you usually get some easy grabs off of it (idk about DI)
But because of his ability to DJC aerials/projectiles etc he has a lot of good spacing tools, and he has the high jump aerials instead of djc added since it's pm, so that's just more aerial options.
Adam said he is pretty sure his jab has set knock back, and it seemed like it to me too, so it's a nice way to combo into his grab, which sets him up for easy kills.
one of the things I was doing on shield was shine -> jump back -> shine in the other direction -> instant turn around (giving me a hitbox in front) (this was done to dodge lucas's big grab if he mashed shield grab). Then if the shine hit his shield I would djc into more pressure, and if it hit him I would air dodge down and back to tech chase.
there is a few more things I can't remember with out the game on and the controller in my hand right now =P but....
he has a ken combo....chain grabs.....shine.....easy kill off of dthrow...ledge stalling....several knee-esque moves....easy tech chases.....intense mixups.....the mother ****er is everything good in melee in 1 character
AND he has a tether recovery, which is super gay in pm
I love lucas so much now after 1 day of playing him."
bubbaking
Smash Hero
This is a social.
Team preview was actually what finally turned me off of competitive Pokemon.
Stealth Rock made my interest wane, and team preview did it in.
I can see that it adds another dimension to the game, but it removes one of my favorites since I first began playing competitively back in Gen II.
Stealth Rock is like the Meta Knight of Pokemon imo.
Stealth Rock made my interest wane, and team preview did it in.
I can see that it adds another dimension to the game, but it removes one of my favorites since I first began playing competitively back in Gen II.
Stealth Rock is like the Meta Knight of Pokemon imo.
bubbaking
Smash Hero
I actually love Stealth Rock. Makes spinners like Forry SO much more important.
Laijin
Smash Hero
Okay okay.
I get it.
Social thread.
-Smooth Criminal
I get it.
Social thread.
-Smooth Criminal
Vashimus
Smash Master
Team Preview I can understand. But without Stealth Rock....Pokemon like Dragonite and Volcarona would be almost unstoppable.
Some day Bubba....some day.
Smooth Criminal
Well Eli's a better player than me. You, however, are not.
#Rifle
Some day Bubba....some day.
Smooth Criminal
ELI-mination
Smash Champion
Please give me cool P:M clips.
Smooth Criminal
Smooth Criminal
ELI-mination
Smash Champion
Check the dryer.
Smooth Criminal
Smooth Criminal
KOkingpin
Smash Champion
The south.
HBox, Reflex, And Wizzy (I'm pretty sure those were the top three at APEX correct me if I'm wrong) plus a bunch of other players who are pretty darn good.
ELI, I have a few that emphasize G&W's fireman-parachute combos. Not often seen and it would be great for him to get a little more exposure considering his popular tier placement at bottom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJz_2gKFEYQ&t=1m31s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx2Z6zDXSOI&t=3m15s
That last one gets interrupted a bit. The kill combo itself ends at 3:26 or so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJz_2gKFEYQ&t=1m31s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx2Z6zDXSOI&t=3m15s
That last one gets interrupted a bit. The kill combo itself ends at 3:26 or so.
ELI-mination
Smash Champion
Oro?!
Smash Hero
MW has a pocket Kirk to destroy HBox. The rest is free. We have a Metroid.
Don't you know, though? I'm the UNDISPUTED CHAMPION OF a 16-man tournament that many top players declined to join THE WORLD
bubbaking
Smash Hero
Eli, are you only accepting YT vids? What about Twitch archived streams (with timestamps, of course)?
I'm pretty sure if either Eli or M2K had gone to that tourney, he would have won.
Ehhh, you're kinda stretching it there. Cool stuff, though.
ELI-mination
Smash Champion
Yea I'm accepting youtube and twitch vids, preferably with timestamps included in the link and not listed separately.
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Smooth Criminal
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Smooth Criminal
M2K was there and declined, obviously fearing my skill.
Does Eli think he would have won? At least he wouldn't have been lamed out by Sonic.
ELI-mination
Smash Champion
Please don't rope me into a discussion involving bubblequeen.
Smooth Criminal
Da Cheef
I think I started a trend!
Smooth Criminal
Smooth Criminal
bubbaking
Smash Hero
But no one's roping you into anything.
Spiffykins
Smash Ace
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Entry hazards are a great addition to the metagame, but rocks are OP. So many otherwise good pokemon are unviable just because of one stupid move. They should be a two-layer hazard, one layer being half as strong as it currently is.I actually love Stealth Rock. Makes spinners like Forry SO much more important.
Plus, don't you see how important Forry is as a sign of rocks' stupidness? There are only a few good spinners in each tier and fitting one onto a team is sometimes really difficult. I mean, sure, you can always slap Forry onto the last spot because it's that good, but the same can't really be said of any other spinner.
`dazrin
Smash Champion
PM pokemon social thread
DrinkingFood
Smash Hero
So this is the screen I've gotten at least a dozen times trying to get hackmii installer to work. It freezes here and the disk drive flashes.
Twice I've gotten this screen, both times using letterbomb iirc. It froze here both times as well.
Anybody recognize either of these, maybe as a symptom of some wii problem? Seriously can't understand why I can't get this to work for me.
Vashimus
Smash Master
At the same time Spiffy, Stealth Rock is what is keeping a lot of threats in check. There are a lot of airbourne threats compared to back then, so having another entry hazard besides Spikes was kind of warranted.
As long as you have a Ghost type, Forretress can't do it's job. This is why I've always preferred Starmie as a spinner.
As long as you have a Ghost type, Forretress can't do it's job. This is why I've always preferred Starmie as a spinner.
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