Project M Social Thread

[I R MarF]

Is there any way to fix it?

Nope, never thought about trying to fix it.

What? How is this a response to my question? If I said: "have you guys tried to fix it?" I would understand the sarcastic reply. But since I didn't this reply is both uncalled for and doesn't make any sense.

 

[PEEF!]

Lol I guess that is kind of obvious then haha. Is there any way to fix it?

Nope, never thought about trying to fix it.

LOL. I think its the biggest prize left if it was able to be cracked, but chances are it won't be. There are specifics about why not, but what really matters is that it has a shiny red target on it, and every dev would love to be the one to figure it out. Just don't get too hopeful.

 

[I R MarF]

LOL. I think its the biggest prize left if it was able to be cracked, but chances are it won't be. There are specifics about why not, but what really matters is that it has a shiny red target on it, and every dev would love to be the one to figure it out. Just don't get too hopeful.

Hm. I must say though, I am quite curious about the specifics. Does it have something to do with the ingame air dodge mechanics? Is it possible to recreate everyone's airdodge from scratch as a new "move" over to existing airdodge so it can perform how you want to?

 

[Strong Badam]

I wouldn't be surprised if Magus was able to fix it somewhere down the line, but there are several other things we have to do yet mechanics-wise, I R MarF.

Just about everything related to physics actually activates a frame after they're supposed to happen in-game, and you can't have it occur frame 0 to compensate. That's why they move frame 2.

 

[I R MarF]

I wouldn't be surprised if Magus was able to fix it somewhere down the line, but there are several other things we have to do yet mechanics-wise, I R MarF.

Just about everything related to physics actually activates a frame after they're supposed to happen in-game, and you can't have it occur frame 0 to compensate. That's why they move frame 2.

Do recovery moves also occur a frame late? What about jumps, dashes, fast falls, and Knock Back?

 

[kaizo13]

physics

10physics

 

[Kink-Link5]

That didn't answer the question at all.

 

[Strong Badam]

Do recovery moves also occur a frame late? What about jumps, dashes, fast falls, and Knock Back?

of what you mentioned, only grounded jumps afaik

 

[I R MarF]

of what you mentioned, only grounded jumps afaik

Uh... thats not good. So does that mean everyone's jumps are technically 1 frame slower to start? Or have you readjusted the jumpstart frame data as a temporary fix?

And if it is possible to make recovery moves create momentum on frame 1, can jumps or at least air dodge be rebuilt from scratch as a workaround? For instance, lets say I'm playing Mario and my up-b creates momentum at frame 1. If the up-b was remapped to be activated by L+Forward while in the air (like an airdodge forward) would it still create momentum at frame 1?

If that is possible, then would it also be possible to build 9 "air dodge" recovery moves for every character (static and 8 directions) that could create momentum on frame 1 and be mapped to their respective inputs to generate the kind of ADs you want? Or this all gibberish?

 

[Kink-Link5]

I'm pretty sure most if not all recovery moves are animation based and not based on momentum at all.

And even if that were possible, that would be a horrible fix since air dodges aren't done in only 8 directions.

 

[I R MarF]

I'm pretty sure most if not all recovery moves are animation based and not based on momentum at all.

Then how would something like Fox up-bing into the ground generate a wavedash and can't certain moves boost mobility slightly? Does Marth/Mario's side-b actually jolt them forward a little bit or does it just slow their falls?

 

[Kink-Link5]

Fox does not wavedash when hitting the ground out of up-B.

 

[Strong Badam]

Uh... thats not good. So does that mean everyone's jumps are technically 1 frame slower to start? Or have you readjusted the jumpstart frame data as a temporary fix?

And if it is possible to make recovery moves create momentum on frame 1, can jumps or at least air dodge be rebuilt from scratch as a workaround? For instance, lets say I'm playing Mario and my up-b creates momentum at frame 1. If the up-b was remapped to be activated by L+Forward while in the air (like an airdodge forward) would it still create momentum at frame 1?

If that is possible, then would it also be possible to build 9 "air dodge" recovery moves for every character (static and 8 directions) that could create momentum on frame 1 and be mapped to their respective inputs to generate the kind of ADs you want? Or this all gibberish?

none of this works

and no jumps are fine; it's the velocity of them that changes. frame 1 of airborne you are basically grounded but in the air, while in melee you start accelerating upward frame 1.

 

[Dan Salvato]

none of this works

and no jumps are fine; it's the velocity of them that changes. frame 1 of airborne you are basically grounded but in the air, while in melee you start accelerating upward frame 1.

Could you rectify that behavior by simply skipping over frame 1 of the jump animation? Aesthetically, it would be unnoticeable.

 

[GP&B]

I don't think it's the animation. It's directly within the physics that call for velocity changes 1 frame after in midair state is what it sounds like.

 

[I R MarF]

Fox does not wavedash when hitting the ground out of up-B.

Please put in your Melee disk, Up-b into the ground with Fox or Falco and see what I mean. They bounce up and then land; sliding their WD distance

 

[Revven]

Don't worry, we've had a temporary fix for jumps for awhile. This isn't something that was recently found out.

 

[Dan Salvato]

Please put in your Melee disk, Up-b into the ground with Fox or Falco and see what I mean. They bounce up and then land; sliding their WD distance

That velocity is likely set after hitting the ground. The upB itself is not velocity-based. A very simple test for this is to grab a super/poison mushroom. If the upB carries you the same distance as normal size, it's not velocity-based (making it seem like it takes you a very short distance when large or a very long distance when small). If the distance it takes you scales with your character size, then it is velocity-based.

 

[I R MarF]

Don't worry, we've had a temporary fix for jumps for awhile. This isn't something that was recently found out.

Lol it seems like this is the first time the community has heard of it. But who knows.

Btw, how is Melee camera looking? I heard it was mentioned on SMYN that there was a recent breakthrough?

 

[Shadic]

Jumps are not 1 frame off, it is one frame easier to SH, though.

Airdodge and thus WDing is one frame off. Basically, the physics are run one frame later for things like that vs. Melee. It requires a restructuring of the game's code structure.

 

[Kink-Link5]

Please put in your Melee disk, Up-b into the ground with Fox or Falco and see what I mean. They bounce up and then land; sliding their WD distance

I know what you mean, but that isn't anything close to a wavedash.

 

[Dan Salvato]

Jumps are not 1 frame off, it is one frame easier to SH, though.

Airdodge and thus WDing is one frame off. Basically, the physics are run one frame later for things like that vs. Melee. It requires a restructuring of the game's code structure.

What happens if you try to airdodge during that one frame? Does it simply not register until the following frame, or does nothing happen, or what?

 

[Strong Badam]

The air dodge registers; the air dodge simply doesn't MOVE until frame 2 when it should move frame 1.

 

[Shadic]

Nevermind I was mistaken. SB is correct.

 

[Dan Salvato]

If Brawl's code structure is any similar to Melee's then I could probably help correct that.

 

[drsusredfish]

since airdodge momentumm is 1 frame off could you like make the momentum on the 2nd fram larger than ussual ,like double the momentum, for that frame alone so its like its compensating for the no movement on frame one? then frame 3 the mometum is the normal momentum?

 

[Archangel]

That sounds like a good Idea. It also sound difficult.

 

[KingClubber]

“I R MarF, let it go. It is not a sin to be 1 frame off for the right cause."

 

[Strong Badam]

lmfao
I watched that episode like a month ago too.

 

[drsusredfish]

Do any of you guys watch Smash King by tigura on youtube?

episode 14 is out :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTr4mEPYNVs&feature=g-u-u&context=G28dfc66FUAAAAAAACAA

I recomind watching the whole series. Go to his channel to see from the begining

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL742394B392192F61&feature=plcp

hit play all sit back relax and be amazed by this legitamate smash bros show.

try to find all the hidden jigglypuffs in each episode.
dont be offput by the initial brawl fighting in the first few episodes it gets real "animeish" or "brawl minusy" the more episodes you watch

 

[Blarg I'm Dead]

Someone please tell me wolf can taunt cancel howls and "what's the matter, scarred?" now.

 

[Revven]

Someone please tell me wolf can taunt cancel howls and "what's the matter, scarred?" now.

Yeah, he can. You just need to time it right so the SFX will play. You can't do it like you can with show me your moves though due to the timing of the SFX.

 

[DoH]

Is Peach in the demo?

 

[Kink-Link5]

Peach is a spiky fruit in project M.

 

[Strong Badam]

Is Peach in the demo?

Yes, she is.

 

[DoH]

Ah, I keep seeing her in trailers, but she isn't selectable on the smashmods site

 

[Shadic]

Her writeup isn't finished yet.

 

[abcool]

I have a question. If Samus is ready and Zss isn't does that mean you won't put Samus in because someone may try and use via transformation?

 

[Samus-T]

Can anyone tell me how to put different background music in project m? I wasnt sure where to ask and i cant seem to figure it out

 

[JCaesar]

I have a question. If Samus is ready and Zss isn't does that mean you won't put Samus in because someone may try and use via transformation?

Neither of them are ready.