`dazrin
Smash Champion
sure, I was actually thinking of that, but i thought it would sound weird as an initial "audition" sorta thing lol. i just did it for fun so i didn't bother at first, but i can do that for you asap
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Qlaw
Smash Cadet
hmm. a bit late but can you post a link to the song you were asked to sing?
MaxThunder
PM Support
Cool=)... then i'll get started on making tha music... well as soon as i get the time... probably around next weekend... quite busy at school and stuff...sure, I was actually thinking of that, but i thought it would sound weird as an initial "audition" sorta thing lol. i just did it for fun so i didn't bother at first, but i can do that for you asap
`dazrin
Smash Champion
to the pokemon theme lol
edit: sorry if this is all super offtopic
dunno where else to put it.Lets get back on topic, shall we?
So, Olimar/ Ivy.. haven't heard from em in awhile. How are they looking devs? :S
JOE!
Smash Hero
*still waiting on Poison Powder to be on ivy in some fashion*
Haloedhero
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What this argument is missing is the fact that, while the changes were being made, Sakurai believed they were balancing the game. His idea of how good a character is is vastly different from ours. It's silly to assume he knew a character was bad and needed it "randomly." He obviously thought the character needed a nerf. You might not see logic, but I'm fairly certain Sakurai did.
Whether or not those specific changes made Sakurai actually balanced the game is irrelevant. What's important is that, in the right hands, certain things CAN BE used for balance.
Cubelarooso
Smash Lord
Exactly. Realism plays no role in anything but reality. It's just important that it seems realistish, enough to not be jarring. People often seem to miss the fact that many very-real things don't seem realistic at all.
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
Is Ivy's dair still ********?
Revven
FrankerZ
Does it matter? We're not working on him at all right now.
9Kplus1
Smash Master
Ivy's Dair is too cute for words.
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
Okay, then I'd like to discuss the potential for MK's new moveset. 'Not a question for the PMBR, obviously, but what is everyone else's interpretation on "Making him more canon" and "Hienkyaku." In addition, what moveset changes does everyone else want for the masked pom pom?
I have my own ideas but I'd like to hear others' first.
I have my own ideas but I'd like to hear others' first.
GP&B
Ike 'n' Ike
"I'll blow you away!"
Err, wrong game.
Err, wrong game.
vanity has nothing to do with it.
where i am mentioned will be the threads that interest me the most. 1) cause i'm mentioned. 2) cause they probably have to do with something that i'm interested in responding to/viewing
but i am a pretty cocky ******* too sooooooooo
anyway i didnt like peach, but jigglypuff was pretty fun i thought. i mean you guys did a pretty good job, i just dont really care about mods.
OmegaMuffin
Smash Journeyman
"If X was here, he'd try to talk it out first. Unfortunately for you, X isn't here."
Ryuenjin?
Ryuenjin?
JCaesar
Smash Hero
http://www.twitch.tv/jcaesar
With Ryoko, Plank, and Vist (later)!
Edit: hold on for a few, technical difficultes...
Edit2: Seems to be working, and Plank just got here
With Ryoko, Plank, and Vist (later)!
Edit: hold on for a few, technical difficultes...
Edit2: Seems to be working, and Plank just got here
I R MarF
Smash Ace
This post is the lamest garbage I've ever seen in my entire life.
1. Any complaints about Brawl should be disregarded, Sakurai has been quoted for saying he didn't want to stress himself about balance after Melee. We can see this by the fact he changed the game physics so he wouldn't be able to improve on Melee. Also, FYI, Sakurai balanced every brawl character BY HIMSELF. Probably why the Kirby characters ended up being so good
2. Why are you complaining about the negative attributes of good characters and the positive attributes of bad ones? Captain Falcon's techs and Jigg's shield clearly aren't holding them back from placing high on the tier list. And I wanted to slam my head into the desk when I read that you complained about Link having a fast dodge when he is horribly slow. Also, good one about Samus's grab not being as good as Link's. its clearly the reason why Samus is the crap char and Link is not the viable one... oh wait
JediKnightTemplar
Smash Lord
Don't make me laugh. Last I checked Kirby was E tier.
9Kplus1
Smash Master
Kirby is good.
She's better than Pichu, at least.
She's better than Pichu, at least.
standardtoaster
Tubacabra
If all goes well today, Monk and I should probably be streaming some time around 6 or 7 CST.
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
Please stop linking to Smash Wikia. Use the community supported ssbwiki.com instead. Smash Wikia is outdated and a part of the wikia group, and gets most of its information second hand from ssbwiki.
And Sakurai had very little to do with the "Balancing" of Brawl. He has stated in at least one interview that his role was mainly to overlook the project and "make sure everything felt and looked good." In other words, his balancing plan was "Make MK cooler, he isn't cool enough."
CSDragon
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Well, he's still E-tier according to the link you posted.
Um...she?
Kirby's a dude.
Shadic
Alakadoof?
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
So, yeah time for my MK ideas. At least worth putting them out .
Nair: A single vertical sword swing in front of MK, after which MK holds his sword out. The move can only hit once but has two different ways it can hit. If the initial swing hits, the enemy goes up at a combo friendly ~60 degree angle and MK passes through the enemy. If this portion of the move hits, MK can cancel the rest of the move with a special. If the held out sword hits, however, the enemy gets knocked considerably weaker at around a 40 degree angle, or 25 or whatever other semi-spike angle **** you. If MK hits the enemy with the held out portion of the attack, he bounces off them and returns to his neutral falling animation. If the move doesn't hit, or hits a shield, he can not cancel the move in anyway, and it has a noticeable endlag.
Fair: A single horizontal swing in front of Metaknight, which leaves him turned around, facing away from the enemy. Has 2 or 3 active frames and it starts and ends fast enough to do 2 in one SH. Hits the enemy weakly horizontally from MK.
Bair: A single horizontal swing behind Metaknight, which leaves him turned around, facing toward the enemy. Has 3 active frames and ends fast enough to do one bair, then Waveland, or fair. Hits the enemy upward without much growth.
Fair and Bair in Conjunction: These two moves both turn MK around, causing him to face the opposite direction. They both have fairly short cool downs and can be used multiple times in a single air venture. Their knockback angles and low KBG allow them to be consistently comboed at medium-high percents, but low BKB prevents them from being very useful in combos at low percents. When using these moves, one can take advantage of the difference in direction it causes MK to face and take advantage of Uair and Dair having different knockback angles dependinding on where they hit. To elaborate, I transition now into...
Dair: A slightly modified animation (Maybe like one extra frame mid swing), but still the dair that MK knows and loves to abuse. Or it would be, were it not for an increased in cool down that prevents this move from being used while rising. If you try to "AERIAL IS DOOOWWN PRESS IT WHILE I'M JUMPING UPPP," MK will actually lose height, making the move much less retardedly safe. However, it isn't all bad news for the move. Because of the extra frame in the animation, the move has modified hitboxes that cause the move to be 1.5 times as effective at actually hitting. During the first half of the swing, two hitboxes appear, one in front of MK and one below him. On the second half of the animation, the front hitbox disappears and another hitbox appears right behind him, while leaving the bottom hitbox out. So, the end result is 2 frames active hitbox right below him, and 1 frame each in front of and behind him. Which one of these hitboxes hit determines how the opponent flies, and it plays integrally into MK's use of Fair and Bair. If the front hitbox hits, the enemy is semi-spiked away from MK, if the bottom hitbox hits, the enemy is popped above MK, and if the back hitbox hits, the enemy is sent at a 115 degree angle, popping them in front of and right above MK.
Uair: Metaknight's favourite combo move in Brawl. Unfortunately, with Melee physics, the move works very oddly as it stands, so this will hopefully solve the problem. Like dair, an extra frame of animation is added to the swing, causing the move to have 2 active frames. The first half of the swing as well as the top hitbox hit the opponent upward, but the back hitbox has a semi-spike property. Or maybe the other way around whatever **** you.
These key changes to MK's aerial game would make him be a character all about knowing how and when to use each of his fast aerials in a brief time frame, in theorysmashbros.
No clue what to do with that atrocity of a ground game he has.
Nair: A single vertical sword swing in front of MK, after which MK holds his sword out. The move can only hit once but has two different ways it can hit. If the initial swing hits, the enemy goes up at a combo friendly ~60 degree angle and MK passes through the enemy. If this portion of the move hits, MK can cancel the rest of the move with a special. If the held out sword hits, however, the enemy gets knocked considerably weaker at around a 40 degree angle, or 25 or whatever other semi-spike angle **** you. If MK hits the enemy with the held out portion of the attack, he bounces off them and returns to his neutral falling animation. If the move doesn't hit, or hits a shield, he can not cancel the move in anyway, and it has a noticeable endlag.
Fair: A single horizontal swing in front of Metaknight, which leaves him turned around, facing away from the enemy. Has 2 or 3 active frames and it starts and ends fast enough to do 2 in one SH. Hits the enemy weakly horizontally from MK.
Bair: A single horizontal swing behind Metaknight, which leaves him turned around, facing toward the enemy. Has 3 active frames and ends fast enough to do one bair, then Waveland, or fair. Hits the enemy upward without much growth.
Fair and Bair in Conjunction: These two moves both turn MK around, causing him to face the opposite direction. They both have fairly short cool downs and can be used multiple times in a single air venture. Their knockback angles and low KBG allow them to be consistently comboed at medium-high percents, but low BKB prevents them from being very useful in combos at low percents. When using these moves, one can take advantage of the difference in direction it causes MK to face and take advantage of Uair and Dair having different knockback angles dependinding on where they hit. To elaborate, I transition now into...
Dair: A slightly modified animation (Maybe like one extra frame mid swing), but still the dair that MK knows and loves to abuse. Or it would be, were it not for an increased in cool down that prevents this move from being used while rising. If you try to "AERIAL IS DOOOWWN PRESS IT WHILE I'M JUMPING UPPP," MK will actually lose height, making the move much less retardedly safe. However, it isn't all bad news for the move. Because of the extra frame in the animation, the move has modified hitboxes that cause the move to be 1.5 times as effective at actually hitting. During the first half of the swing, two hitboxes appear, one in front of MK and one below him. On the second half of the animation, the front hitbox disappears and another hitbox appears right behind him, while leaving the bottom hitbox out. So, the end result is 2 frames active hitbox right below him, and 1 frame each in front of and behind him. Which one of these hitboxes hit determines how the opponent flies, and it plays integrally into MK's use of Fair and Bair. If the front hitbox hits, the enemy is semi-spiked away from MK, if the bottom hitbox hits, the enemy is popped above MK, and if the back hitbox hits, the enemy is sent at a 115 degree angle, popping them in front of and right above MK.
Uair: Metaknight's favourite combo move in Brawl. Unfortunately, with Melee physics, the move works very oddly as it stands, so this will hopefully solve the problem. Like dair, an extra frame of animation is added to the swing, causing the move to have 2 active frames. The first half of the swing as well as the top hitbox hit the opponent upward, but the back hitbox has a semi-spike property. Or maybe the other way around whatever **** you.
These key changes to MK's aerial game would make him be a character all about knowing how and when to use each of his fast aerials in a brief time frame, in theorysmashbros.
No clue what to do with that atrocity of a ground game he has.
That is not the point of the post I made.
This is the worst bought of verbal diharrea I have ever heard and all should be disregarded. Im right your wrong.
See how arrogant that sounds *******
Besides everything you point out here is irrelevant to the main point I am making, so when you learn to read, come back and address what I'm actually saying.
G
genkaku
Guest
I *like* MK.
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
I main him because I have no reason not to.
standardtoaster
Tubacabra
Ryoko has a second stream at JCaesar's. http://www.twitch.tv/ryokoyaksa
Monk and I will begin streaming in about an hour or two.
Monk and I will begin streaming in about an hour or two.
standardtoaster
Tubacabra
Streaming now! http://www.twitch.tv/standardtoaster
Jcaesar said last night he was using his old cpu. Whether he is right now i don't know but that could be part of the problem.
JCaesar
Smash Hero
No, today I'm using my new laptop, 480p at 30 fps.
9Kplus1
Smash Master
Kirby is female >_>...
BlueSuperSonic1
Smash Journeyman
No he's not.
http://kirby.nintendo.com/returntodreamland/
"Kirby's back in Dream Land, and this time he's got company!"
http://kirby.nintendo.com/returntodreamland/
"Kirby's back in Dream Land, and this time he's got company!"
9Kplus1
Smash Master
You should know that everything Nintendo says is a lie. Stop trying to prove what obviously is not the truth.
BlueSuperSonic1
Smash Journeyman
You can think that Kirby's a female if you would like to then lol
JCaesar
Smash Hero
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
New page, repost.
[collapse=Quote Collapsed]So, yeah time for my MK ideas. At least worth putting them out .
Nair: A single vertical sword swing in front of MK, after which MK holds his sword out. The move can only hit once but has two different ways it can hit. If the initial swing hits, the enemy goes up at a combo friendly ~60 degree angle and MK passes through the enemy. If this portion of the move hits, MK can cancel the rest of the move with a special. If the held out sword hits, however, the enemy gets knocked considerably weaker at around a 40 degree angle, or 25 or whatever other semi-spike angle **** you. If MK hits the enemy with the held out portion of the attack, he bounces off them and returns to his neutral falling animation. If the move doesn't hit, or hits a shield, he can not cancel the move in anyway, and it has a noticeable endlag.
Fair: A single horizontal swing in front of Metaknight, which leaves him turned around, facing away from the enemy. Has 2 or 3 active frames and it starts and ends fast enough to do 2 in one SH. Hits the enemy weakly horizontally from MK.
Bair: A single horizontal swing behind Metaknight, which leaves him turned around, facing toward the enemy. Has 3 active frames and ends fast enough to do one bair, then Waveland, or fair. Hits the enemy upward without much growth.
Fair and Bair in Conjunction: These two moves both turn MK around, causing him to face the opposite direction. They both have fairly short cool downs and can be used multiple times in a single air venture. Their knockback angles and low KBG allow them to be consistently comboed at medium-high percents, but low BKB prevents them from being very useful in combos at low percents. When using these moves, one can take advantage of the difference in direction it causes MK to face and take advantage of Uair and Dair having different knockback angles dependinding on where they hit. To elaborate, I transition now into...
Dair: A slightly modified animation (Maybe like one extra frame mid swing), but still the dair that MK knows and loves to abuse. Or it would be, were it not for an increased in cool down that prevents this move from being used while rising. If you try to "AERIAL IS DOOOWWN PRESS IT WHILE I'M JUMPING UPPP," MK will actually lose height, making the move much less retardedly safe. However, it isn't all bad news for the move. Because of the extra frame in the animation, the move has modified hitboxes that cause the move to be 1.5 times as effective at actually hitting. During the first half of the swing, two hitboxes appear, one in front of MK and one below him. On the second half of the animation, the front hitbox disappears and another hitbox appears right behind him, while leaving the bottom hitbox out. So, the end result is 2 frames active hitbox right below him, and 1 frame each in front of and behind him. Which one of these hitboxes hit determines how the opponent flies, and it plays integrally into MK's use of Fair and Bair. If the front hitbox hits, the enemy is semi-spiked away from MK, if the bottom hitbox hits, the enemy is popped above MK, and if the back hitbox hits, the enemy is sent at a 115 degree angle, popping them in front of and right above MK.
Uair: Metaknight's favourite combo move in Brawl. Unfortunately, with Melee physics, the move works very oddly as it stands, so this will hopefully solve the problem. Like dair, an extra frame of animation is added to the swing, causing the move to have 2 active frames. The first half of the swing as well as the top hitbox hit the opponent upward, but the back hitbox has a semi-spike property. Or maybe the other way around whatever **** you.
These key changes to MK's aerial game would make him be a character all about knowing how and when to use each of his fast aerials in a brief time frame, in theorysmashbros.
No clue what to do with that atrocity of a ground game he has.
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[collapse=Quote Collapsed]So, yeah time for my MK ideas. At least worth putting them out .
Nair: A single vertical sword swing in front of MK, after which MK holds his sword out. The move can only hit once but has two different ways it can hit. If the initial swing hits, the enemy goes up at a combo friendly ~60 degree angle and MK passes through the enemy. If this portion of the move hits, MK can cancel the rest of the move with a special. If the held out sword hits, however, the enemy gets knocked considerably weaker at around a 40 degree angle, or 25 or whatever other semi-spike angle **** you. If MK hits the enemy with the held out portion of the attack, he bounces off them and returns to his neutral falling animation. If the move doesn't hit, or hits a shield, he can not cancel the move in anyway, and it has a noticeable endlag.
Fair: A single horizontal swing in front of Metaknight, which leaves him turned around, facing away from the enemy. Has 2 or 3 active frames and it starts and ends fast enough to do 2 in one SH. Hits the enemy weakly horizontally from MK.
Bair: A single horizontal swing behind Metaknight, which leaves him turned around, facing toward the enemy. Has 3 active frames and ends fast enough to do one bair, then Waveland, or fair. Hits the enemy upward without much growth.
Fair and Bair in Conjunction: These two moves both turn MK around, causing him to face the opposite direction. They both have fairly short cool downs and can be used multiple times in a single air venture. Their knockback angles and low KBG allow them to be consistently comboed at medium-high percents, but low BKB prevents them from being very useful in combos at low percents. When using these moves, one can take advantage of the difference in direction it causes MK to face and take advantage of Uair and Dair having different knockback angles dependinding on where they hit. To elaborate, I transition now into...
Dair: A slightly modified animation (Maybe like one extra frame mid swing), but still the dair that MK knows and loves to abuse. Or it would be, were it not for an increased in cool down that prevents this move from being used while rising. If you try to "AERIAL IS DOOOWWN PRESS IT WHILE I'M JUMPING UPPP," MK will actually lose height, making the move much less retardedly safe. However, it isn't all bad news for the move. Because of the extra frame in the animation, the move has modified hitboxes that cause the move to be 1.5 times as effective at actually hitting. During the first half of the swing, two hitboxes appear, one in front of MK and one below him. On the second half of the animation, the front hitbox disappears and another hitbox appears right behind him, while leaving the bottom hitbox out. So, the end result is 2 frames active hitbox right below him, and 1 frame each in front of and behind him. Which one of these hitboxes hit determines how the opponent flies, and it plays integrally into MK's use of Fair and Bair. If the front hitbox hits, the enemy is semi-spiked away from MK, if the bottom hitbox hits, the enemy is popped above MK, and if the back hitbox hits, the enemy is sent at a 115 degree angle, popping them in front of and right above MK.
Uair: Metaknight's favourite combo move in Brawl. Unfortunately, with Melee physics, the move works very oddly as it stands, so this will hopefully solve the problem. Like dair, an extra frame of animation is added to the swing, causing the move to have 2 active frames. The first half of the swing as well as the top hitbox hit the opponent upward, but the back hitbox has a semi-spike property. Or maybe the other way around whatever **** you.
These key changes to MK's aerial game would make him be a character all about knowing how and when to use each of his fast aerials in a brief time frame, in theorysmashbros.
No clue what to do with that atrocity of a ground game he has.
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I R MarF
Smash Ace
Is it possible to make MK's 3rd, 4th, and 5th jumps tug down before going up? That way if you do an aerial during these "tug" frames in the 3rd, 4th, and 5th jumps he will DJC and lose height?
Might make his Uair/Dair less abusable and require more thought process from the player.
Might make his Uair/Dair less abusable and require more thought process from the player.
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