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Vashimus

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I feel like you are either a fan of Sonic games or you are not.
I'm not a fan.
It's not really the gameplay that does it in for me to be honest, it's just the general feel of Sonic and the supporting cast as characters themselves. They do nothing for me.
Sonic games, especially newer ones, eventually boil down to dry level memorization. Now learning from past mistakes and finding solutions through trial and error can be found in a lot of games and it's not inherently a bad thing. In a game like Demon's/Dark Souls, while memorization of enemy locations or traps is certainly a big part of it, most of the game's tricks can be avoided if you pace yourself, pay attention and be cautious.

Compare that to newer Sonic games, where they encourage you to run a 1000 miles an hour and somehow expect you to react to obstacles you only had a split second to see (especially on 2D plane), and you can see why it won't appeal to certain people.
 

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PM is a modded version of the game we play competitively. It is a complete mockery of brawl and melee as a whole. I like all smash games except modded versions for the most part. This is why it is not accepted by me or many others. I would be fine with it if they didn't patch the game every few months, completely change around smash related things (Adding solar beam, canceling :bowser2:'s down b, grabbing the edge while characters tether making it impossible to edge guard, etc...) and add back hundreds of stages to the point there is no ability to counterpick a stage, but oh well.

There is a fine line between being a role model for smash and not. I accept the flaws of all games as created. PM doesn't accept flaws even though it's more flawed then brawl, melee, and 64.
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I'll just say that anybody thinking about replying to this should not do it here, for the sake of everyone in this thread...
It's tempting to eat the bait when it's dangling right in front of you, but I'm sure any fish will tell you that it's generally a bad idea to take the bait.
 

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I feel one would have be inebriated in order to appreciate such a terrible game. I'd rather play Sonic 2 on Game Gear, and that game is just...awful.

Aside from "You Can Do Anything" being the theme for Green Hills, yeah, that game was pretty bad. Personally, I didn't make it past Underground Zone.
 

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I went back to try and play SA2 and hated it. The speed portions are pretty fun but all the other BS like the mechs and hunting for emeralds is a pain in the ass and ruined the experience for me.
 

Fortress

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A fine opinion, indeed. It's pleasant to see what the other half thinks, to be honest. But, as a P:M player, I'd like to counter with my own thoughts. I'm just hoping that I don't come across as a fanatic or anything of the sort.

It is a complete mockery of brawl and melee as a whole.
I think the only reason I singled this bit out is because P:M is not trying to be a carbon copy, clone, or remake of Melee (or Brawl, for that matter). I don't exactly think it's fair to compare it to Melee or Brawl, or fair to compare Brawl and Melee to it or eachother, as they're entirely different games.

I like all smash games except modded versions for the most part.
To me, this comes off as having some elitist undertones. Some of the best games out there have been mods of other games, with an insurmountable amount of those being Source or Unreal engine titles. It seems entirely unfair to discredit a game in its entirety on the basis that it's 'no more than a mod'.

This is why it is not accepted by me or many others.
This is a fair enough point. I can see others being hesitant to except something that's not 'official', but like I said in my last point, I don't think it's appropriate to shun the game just for that reason (not to imply that you didn't have other reasons). Just my take on that.

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would be fine with it if they didn't patch the game every few months, completely change around smash related things (Adding solar beam, canceling :bowser2:'s down b, grabbing the edge while characters tether making it impossible to edge guard, etc...)
The way I see it, this is just making sure the game stays as balanced as it possibly can. P:M, as a mod, has the freedom to take the kind of time it has to fine-tune certain aspects of the game (for better or for worse). It's the reason I can take Falco on with Link, it's the reason that the entire cast has a chance against Meta Knight, and it's the reason that the cast as a whole has been made playable and viable.

As a Brawl and Smash vet, I'm sure you can understand where I'm coming from when I say that I'm glad Bowser has these options available to him, that wobbling with the Climbers won't be possible, and that MK is a fun and balanced character to use.

and add back hundreds of stages to the point there is no ability to counterpick a stage, but oh well.
I don't really have an opinion on this one way or the other. I think having more stages gives players more options to pick against others, not remove the capability.

There is a fine line between being a role model for smash and not. I accept the flaws of all games as created. PM doesn't accept flaws even though it's more flawed then brawl, melee, and 64.
I think P:M accepts flaws and addresses them correctly. Again, with Meta Knight being pretty much the best character in Brawl, I think that it was more than appropriate to bring him down to a level to where he can still be way up there, but not be unstoppable. I think that 'flaws' to a Brawl vet can be construed as boons to the more competitive scene, to be honest.

Anyway, just wanting to reiterate that I think it's nice to see an opinion from a standpoint I don't agree with, and hope that you don't think I'm trying to call you out or make you feel unwelcome.
 

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****ing Meteor Herd. Why they changed the search system to only find one specific shard at a time is completely beyond me. These same missions were at least somewhat enjoyable in Adventure 1.
 

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Sonic talk? Ugh...Well, guess I'll get this out of the way.

Started Sonic as a kid. Hate Sonic 1. Sonic 2 is okay. Sonic CD can go **** itself. Sonic 3 (As in 3&K) is pretty damn good and I can't say much against it.

That said, I didn't become a fan of Sonic until Sonic Adventure. Yes, I played the original games as a kid, but not because I liked Sonic. It was just cause my older sister had the games and it was a way to kill time. I wasn't interested until Adventure came out many many years later.

Loved it and Adventure 2, absolutely love the Sonic Advance games far more than I'll ever like the Genesis games, Advance 1 and 2 being my favorites, Heroes is my favorite 3D game since I seem to be one of the few people that doesn't outright suck at it and used logic to get the Gamecube version when it came out, love the Rush games just as much as the Advance games. Sonic Battle is underrated. ShTH and 06 never happened. Riders 1 was meh. Zero Gravity was much better. **** Secret Rings...Well, it's gameplay. I love everything else about it. Nobody played Sonic Rivals aside from The Great Clement.

lolFreeRiders.

Jump to Unleashed. Absolutely enjoyed it. Werehog was fun, though unnecessary. Levels were long but I didn't care. Loved the daytime stages since it was exactly what I always expected Sonic to evolve to. Black Knight fixed all my issues with Secret Rings, therefore I love it. Colors is meh. It's not nearly as good as people overrate it to be, but it is a decent game. Generations was a great improvement on the gameplay from both of them and is an absolutely fantastic and fun game to play...If you have the PC version with all of the mods and stuff. Especially the ones where you can play as the other characters. Seriously, I'm sick of Sonic. This "Solo-Sonic Era" is wearing on me solely for that. Lost World....Uuuuugh. It's Secret Rings 2.0. I like the music, the story and the characters, but not too keen on the gameplay style or level design...But it's not nearly as bad as Secret Rings. It'll probably be the first Sonic game I just won't touch if I don't have to.

And lolSonic4. Let's not even get into that sloppy mess. XD

There. That's my thoughts on the Sonic topic. ¦D

Oh, and All Stars Racing was awesome. Transformed, while I don't own it, is absolutely amazing in every way and no other kart racer will ever match up to it. Especially not Mario Kart and it's soulless self.

That said, I'll probably still get Mario Kart 8. For free. From a friend. ¦3
 

F. Blue

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I swore off Sonic games a long time ago, but I still listen to the soundtrack every game because they're almost unfailingly outstanding.
 

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PM is a modded version of the game we play competitively. It is a complete mockery of brawl and melee as a whole. I like all smash games except modded versions for the most part. This is why it is not accepted by me or many others. I would be fine with it if they didn't patch the game every few months, completely change around smash related things (Adding solar beam, canceling :bowser2:'s down b, grabbing the edge while characters tether making it impossible to edge guard, etc...) and add back hundreds of stages to the point there is no ability to counterpick a stage, but oh well.

There is a fine line between being a role model for smash and not. I accept the flaws of all games as created. PM doesn't accept flaws even though it's more flawed then brawl, melee, and 64.
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I agree with this 100%. P:M was fun before the PMBR brainwashed a good portion of the community with ridiculous terms such "balance" and "tweak", and cliche slogans like "Prepare your wrist strap". It's about high time that the public--the TRUE victims here--understand how toxic a lot of the additions in P:M are. Please continue preaching the truth, my brutha, we're all waiting your almost gospel word.

On a different note, Sonic 06's flaws are heavily overshadowed by its fantastic plot, amazing cutscenes, solid controls, fluid gameplay, and great multiplayer. You'd have to be crazy to think of it as a bad game.
 

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After I buy Sonic Lost Worlds, I will write a letter to SEGA asking for the Pakistan Sonic characters to get their own game on the WiiU utilizing those amazing commercial graphics in 1080P. That is the REAL gospel.
 

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Aside from "You Can Do Anything" being the theme for Green Hills, yeah, that game was pretty bad. Personally, I didn't make it past Underground Zone.
I beat that game, but it was still total BS. The music was good, but that's a Sonic standard, as even Sonic 06 has good stage music.
 

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I agree with this 100%. P:M was fun before the PMBR brainwashed a good portion of the community with ridiculous terms such "balance" and "tweak", and cliche slogans like "Prepare your wrist strap". It's about high time that the public--the TRUE victims here--understand how toxic a lot of the additions in P:M are. Please continue preaching the truth, my brutha, we're all waiting your almost gospel word.

On a different note, Sonic 06's flaws are heavily overshadowed by its fantastic plot, amazing cutscenes, solid controls, fluid gameplay, and great multiplayer.You'd have to be crazy to think of it as a bad game.
thank you for editing this otherwise I might've thought you were being sarcastic.
 

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it's sad that as an long-time fan of sonic, i feel as if i cannot talk to majority of others about it even IRL because it always narrows down to furries, original the characters, Sonic 06 and other notably garbage games, sonic cycle, autism, and trolling in general, which is all just flat out tiresome after seeing and hearing it constantly
 

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I feel ya Kiri. I went to a get-together a year back and just happened to play Sonic Generations, and these two idiots(who later wanted to play LoL, go figure) consistently bugged me and poked fun at me. I felt like literally smacking them, but I didn't. EVENTUALLY it ceased but at that point I didn't even want to play anymore.
 

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Im 4 pages late but, about that banner... Super Smash Bros Project M? It makes me feel like, nintendo approved of this... That nintendo actually contacted the pmbr multiple times... What in the hell am I even thinking, it could just be an ordinary name. And Im getting the feeling that its "Pokemon" turbo next week, not one pokemon but all, with a little pichu reveal :3
 

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Not 'close-minded', just having their own viewpoint. It's not a crime. If you don't like P:M, you don't like it. Just like I'm not a fan of Brawl. It's appropriate to not like one game.

No matter what reasons somebody gives us, and what points we counter back with, the fact of the matter is that we can't just change minds. Doesn't really matter what I say, to be honest.
 

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Not 'close-minded', just having their own viewpoint. It's not a crime. If you don't like P:M, you don't like it. Just like I'm not a fan of Brawl. It's appropriate to not like one game.

No matter what reasons somebody gives us, and what points we counter back with, the fact of the matter is that we can't just change minds. Doesn't really matter what I say, to be honest.
but see we can, but when somebody refuses to listen they're being close minded. I mean if somebody had valid complaints like most of the melee players do i'm fine with that. But when somebody dismisses a game seemingly just because it's a mod...
 

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Thing is, Joe didn't. Yes, some things I personally didn't think were appropriate complaints, but on the whole, he gave us some reasons why he personally does not find the game to be an enjoyable experience. It wasn't just "x game sucks because y mechanic is included/missing".
 

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PM is a modded version of the game we play competitively. It is a complete mockery of brawl and melee as a whole. I like all smash games except modded versions for the most part. This is why it is not accepted by me or many others. I would be fine with it if they didn't patch the game every few months, completely change around smash related things (Adding solar beam, canceling :bowser2:'s down b, grabbing the edge while characters tether making it impossible to edge guard, etc...) and add back hundreds of stages to the point there is no ability to counterpick a stage, but oh well.

There is a fine line between being a role model for smash and not. I accept the flaws of all games as created. PM doesn't accept flaws even though it's more flawed then brawl, melee, and 64.
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Just cause he isn't complimenting the game doesn't mean he's trolling. Come on guys, I thought we were better than that.

On the side note, I think it was wrong of me to group you with the other guys, because it really seemed as if you were the only one giving your honest opinion. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I respect your opinion, and honestly I can't relate as much since I'm not a serious tournament player. From my experience, its a pretty fun game to play competitively with your friends.
 

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Just cause he isn't complimenting the game doesn't mean he's trolling. Come on guys, I thought we were better than that.

On the side note, I think it was wrong of me to group you with the other guys, because it really seemed as if you were the only one giving your honest opinion. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I respect your opinion, and honestly I can't relate as much since I'm not a serious tournament player. From my experience, its a pretty fun game to play competitively with your friends.
See, it's not impossible for all of us to just get along.
 
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