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Lizalfos

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The irony of remembering 9/11 is that it is what the terrorists want.
And every 9/11 they will do something on 9/11 to make you remember 9/11.
 

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woah i didn't even make that connection

if you're still sensitive about 9/11 and you weren't personally effected by it, that's just silly imo

it was 14 years ago. far more people died in the tsunamis in india but no one cares because they can't pretend like it effects them.
 

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So, a while ago my girlfriend and I were talking about the whole monkeys and typewriters thing.

You know, the saying where if you have an infinite number of monkeys at an infinite number of typewriters, eventually they will create the entire work of Shakespeare? Well, that's really just a metaphor for a mathematical idea about randomness, but she was saying that this would literally be the case, while I argued that it wouldn't, since monkeys have patterned behavior, so they won't necessarily produce any eventuality, because that requires randomness.

Anyway, today I decided to look up some stuff about it, and amazingly, people have actually done legitimate research on this. Some students got a freaking £2,000 grant to basically put a bunch of monkeys in a room with a computer keyboard.

Over the course of a month, the monkeys produced only 5 pages, most of which was just the letter "s", starting with them bashing the keyboard with a rock, and proceeding to just **** all over it.


So, we've learned that if you were to give an infinite amount of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, you'd probably just end up with an infinite amount of monkey **** all over the keys.

Good job, science.
 

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I think It's just bad perspective.
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So, a while ago my girlfriend and I were talking about the whole monkeys and typewriters thing.

You know, the saying where if you have an infinite number of monkeys at an infinite number of typewriters, eventually they will create the entire work of Shakespeare? Well, that's really just a metaphor for a mathematical idea about randomness, but she was saying that this would literally be the case, while I argued that it wouldn't, since monkeys have patterned behavior, so they won't necessarily produce any eventuality, because that requires randomness.

Anyway, today I decided to look up some stuff about it, and amazingly, people have actually done legitimate research on this. Some students got a freaking £2,000 grant to basically put a bunch of monkeys in a room with a computer keyboard.

Over the course of a month, the monkeys produced only 5 pages, most of which was just the letter "s", starting with them bashing the keyboard with a rock, and proceeding to just **** all over it.


So, we've learned that if you were to give an infinite amount of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, you'd probably just end up with an infinite amount of monkey **** all over the keys.

Good job, science.
LIFE WILL RUE THE DAY IT GAVE BINARY CLONE LEMONS.
 
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Welp.

I've finally met my first small wall in MH4U.

Freaking Gypceros.

Thing's annoying af.

Ended up fainting once and quitting because of habit (I hate losing out on even a small part of the reward in games >_>).
 

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woah i didn't even make that connection

if you're still sensitive about 9/11 and you weren't personally effected by it, that's just silly imo

it was 14 years ago. far more people died in the tsunamis in india but no one cares because they can't pretend like it effects them.
Not the same thing. It's not about strictly death tolls, it's the changes in the US's foreign intervention policies and the shift in focus towards defeating terrorist groups that followed. The strategies switched from being about preemptive warfare to preventive warfare and cemented the "you are either with us or you are with the terrorists" viewpoint lobbyists were pushing for years prior. It was the first attack on US soil in 50 years, and arguably worse than Pearl Harbor since innocent civilians were targeted rather than military personnel.

Yeah, it didn't affect me directly and I don't really care since I was like 4, but I'll acknowledge had 9/11 not have happened, things would be a lot different now.
 
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It's not about strictly death tolls. It's the changes in the US's foreign intervention policies and the shift in focus towards defeating terrorism
It also resulted in a lot of changes that do directly affect Americans, like security efforts, particularly in airports; and surveillance, where we have controversial topics like the NSA. That with military spending and the amount of money that's gone into the "War on Terror", we do have effects that are substantially felt by the American people on the whole.

Beyond that, there's a lot of racism in the US towards Middle-Eastern people and Muslims, now, as a fairly direct result.
 

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when 9/11 happened, i was in like 2nd grade and i didnt find out what had happened til i got home and saw it on the tv

i was like, "cool what movie is this?" and then my mom slapped the **** out of me
 

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when 9/11 happened, i was in like 2nd grade and i didnt find out what had happened til i got home and saw it on the tv

i was like, "cool what movie is this?" and then my mom slapped the **** out of me
Jesus Christ
 

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So, a while ago my girlfriend and I were talking about the whole monkeys and typewriters thing.

You know, the saying where if you have an infinite number of monkeys at an infinite number of typewriters, eventually they will create the entire work of Shakespeare? Well, that's really just a metaphor for a mathematical idea about randomness, but she was saying that this would literally be the case, while I argued that it wouldn't, since monkeys have patterned behavior, so they won't necessarily produce any eventuality, because that requires randomness.

Anyway, today I decided to look up some stuff about it, and amazingly, people have actually done legitimate research on this. Some students got a freaking £2,000 grant to basically put a bunch of monkeys in a room with a computer keyboard.

Over the course of a month, the monkeys produced only 5 pages, most of which was just the letter "s", starting with them bashing the keyboard with a rock, and proceeding to just **** all over it.


So, we've learned that if you were to give an infinite amount of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, you'd probably just end up with an infinite amount of monkey **** all over the keys.

Good job, science.
You seem to misunderstand the concept of infinity
 

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Nintendo has done a horrible job marketing Star Fox Zero or even making it look appealing, so if it doesn't do well they ****ed up.

Speaking of 9/11, the whole ISIS fandom that exists online and extremism still happening even in mainstream mosques tells us that the Muslim community en masse needs to get its **** together and police their own more frequently even if that is an inconvenience.

Now that the production values for recruiting terrorist jihadists is way better than some dude in a cave, second generation American Muslim kids are joining ISIS because the propaganda speaks to them and all over Europe you find similar **** going down because of important issues like cartoon drawings.

You can always fall back on the typical response, "religion is stupid, equally" or "crazy people do crazy things all the time!" but that doesn't explain the bat**** crazy death cultist culture that is accepted as valid by many beyond even the worst Fundamentalist Christianity or Jewish Zionism.

9/11 was the excuse to spend trillions on the military industrial complex in a futile attempt to get it all under control, but the problem existed way before that. Only the Middle Eastern nations should be keeping each other in check in the region. We should stay out of it entirely while taking a hardline stance against the most backwards cultural beliefs. Liberal professors who blamed those French cartoonists for inciting their own deaths and 9/11 as blowback for previous Western imperialism are part of the problem of excuse-making.
 

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You seem to misunderstand the concept of infinity
You seem to misunderstand monkeys.

The problem is in patterned behavior. An infinite number of monkeys have no statistical guarantee of producing anything in particular, because they have patterned behavior. They don't hit single keys at random. They bash the keyboard, they press one key repeatedly. They also lose interest.

An infinite set does not have to contain all possible permutations. A set of all integers is countably infinite, just as the set of all whole numbers is countably infinite - both are infinite, yet one still contains many "more" permutations than the other. With written characters, you can have an infinite set of strings that contain "#" as every 3rd character, and it is still infinite, but it won't contain much literature.

The hypothetical work of Shakespeare is one of those permutations that is not, by necessity, contained within the infinite set of those that an infinite number of monkeys would produce. If the monkeys could hit keys with true randomness, including managing to type capital letters and special characters, then the work would be within the infinite set. But we are not talking about monkeys that type with true randomness, we're just talking about monkeys.

To get them to get anywhere close, you'd need to train the monkeys to hit the keys individually, rewarding them for doing so, and then hope that they press things randomly. But even then, they don't. They would be much more likely to continually hit the same key or group of keys, and will end up with a specific trend that doesn't resemble literature.

Unfortunately, monkeys will just hit one key repeatedly. They won't use special characters. They won't hit a "shift" key to capitalize things. Even given an infinite number of monkeys and an infinite number of time, the point is that none of them will proceed with sufficient randomness or sufficient intent to produce the fabled Shakespearean monkey.



On the other hand, one could argue that you don't even need an infinite number of monkeys, or any typewriters at all.

You just need enough monkeys, and eventually they'll build the typewriters and write it themselves.

After all, they already did.
 
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You still do not understand the concept of infinity
Anything is statistically guaranteed
Even if they don't type out the sequence directly, eventually they will write the works of Shakespeare by sheer chance of tripping on the keyboard the right way. And they will also have written the contents of the King James Bible in **** on the wall
 
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You seem to misunderstand monkeys.

The problem is in patterned behavior. An infinite number of monkeys have no statistical guarantee of producing anything in particular, because they have patterned behavior. They don't hit single keys at random. They bash the keyboard, they press one key repeatedly. They also lose interest.

An infinite set does not have to contain all possible permutations. A set of all integers is countably infinite, just as the set of all whole numbers is countably infinite - both are infinite, yet one still contains many "more" permutations than the other. With written characters, you can have an infinite set of strings that contain "#" as every 3rd character, and it is still infinite, but it won't contain much literature.

The hypothetical work of Shakespeare is one of those permutations that is not, by necessity, contained within the infinite set of those that an infinite number of monkeys would produce. If the monkeys could hit keys with true randomness, including managing to type capital letters and special characters, then the work would be within the infinite set. But we are not talking about monkeys that type with true randomness, we're just talking about monkeys.

To get them to get anywhere close, you'd need to train the monkeys to hit the keys individually, rewarding them for doing so, and then hope that they press things randomly. But even then, they don't. They would be much more likely to continually hit the same key or group of keys, and will end up with a specific trend that doesn't resemble literature.

Unfortunately, monkeys will just hit one key repeatedly. They won't use special characters. They won't hit a "shift" key to capitalize things. Even given an infinite number of monkeys and an infinite number of time, the point is that none of them will proceed with sufficient randomness or sufficient intent to produce the fabled Shakespearean monkey.



On the other hand, one could argue that you don't even need an infinite number of monkeys, or any typewriters at all.

You just need enough monkeys, and eventually they'll build the typewriters and write it themselves.

After all, they already did.
 
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Vince didn't screw Bret. Bret screwed Bret.

You seem to misunderstand monkeys.

The problem is in patterned behavior. An infinite number of monkeys have no statistical guarantee of producing anything in particular, because they have patterned behavior. They don't hit single keys at random. They bash the keyboard, they press one key repeatedly. They also lose interest.

An infinite set does not have to contain all possible permutations. A set of all integers is countably infinite, just as the set of all whole numbers is countably infinite - both are infinite, yet one still contains many "more" permutations than the other. With written characters, you can have an infinite set of strings that contain "#" as every 3rd character, and it is still infinite, but it won't contain much literature.

The hypothetical work of Shakespeare is one of those permutations that is not, by necessity, contained within the infinite set of those that an infinite number of monkeys would produce. If the monkeys could hit keys with true randomness, including managing to type capital letters and special characters, then the work would be within the infinite set. But we are not talking about monkeys that type with true randomness, we're just talking about monkeys.

To get them to get anywhere close, you'd need to train the monkeys to hit the keys individually, rewarding them for doing so, and then hope that they press things randomly. But even then, they don't. They would be much more likely to continually hit the same key or group of keys, and will end up with a specific trend that doesn't resemble literature.

Unfortunately, monkeys will just hit one key repeatedly. They won't use special characters. They won't hit a "shift" key to capitalize things. Even given an infinite number of monkeys and an infinite number of time, the point is that none of them will proceed with sufficient randomness or sufficient intent to produce the fabled Shakespearean monkey.



On the other hand, one could argue that you don't even need an infinite number of monkeys, or any typewriters at all.

You just need enough monkeys, and eventually they'll build the typewriters and write it themselves.

After all, they already did.
Then who was the 12 monkeys?

 
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You still do not understand the concept of infinity
Anything is statistically guaranteed
Even if they don't type out the sequence directly, eventually they will write the works of Shakespeare by sheer chance of tripping on the keyboard the right way. And they will also have written the contents of the King James Bible in shit on the wall
I mean

It's also statistically possible for my unaltered hand to pass through my desk (i.e. solid matter), but it's super unlikely to happen.

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Nintendo has done a horrible job marketing Star Fox Zero or even making it look appealing, so if it doesn't do well they ****ed up.

Speaking of 9/11, the whole ISIS fandom that exists online and extremism still happening even in mainstream mosques tells us that the Muslim community en masse needs to get its **** together and police their own more frequently even if that is an inconvenience.

Now that the production values for recruiting terrorist jihadists is way better than some dude in a cave, second generation American Muslim kids are joining ISIS because the propaganda speaks to them and all over Europe you find similar **** going down because of important issues like cartoon drawings.

You can always fall back on the typical response, "religion is stupid, equally" or "crazy people do crazy things all the time!" but that doesn't explain the bat**** crazy death cultist culture that is accepted as valid by many beyond even the worst Fundamentalist Christianity or Jewish Zionism.

9/11 was the excuse to spend trillions on the military industrial complex in a futile attempt to get it all under control, but the problem existed way before that. Only the Middle Eastern nations should be keeping each other in check in the region. We should stay out of it entirely while taking a hardline stance against the most backwards cultural beliefs. Liberal professors who blamed those French cartoonists for inciting their own deaths and 9/11 as blowback for previous Western imperialism are part of the problem of excuse-making.
Inb4 edgy mech post
 

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I mean

It's also statistically possible for my unaltered hand to pass through my desk (i.e. solid matter), but it's super unlikely to happen.

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Well, do you have an infinite number of hands and desks? Of course not
The infinite monkey theorem isn't anything to with actualalities because you cannot have an infinite number of monkey's or typewriters (would form a black hole of infinite size), it's just an excercise in the understanding of infinity
 
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