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[Frostav]

I would suggest getting thicker skin, who cares what nerds say to you on a forum; even if they have a point.

At least now you know wavecheating isn't as good as you originally thought it was.

Very funny, but I was never one of those players who disliked competitive Smash, as unfitting as that it for your reddit-level quip. I always found it interesting, but never pursued it until now.

The problem was that you started with a statement that was innately wrong, people provided counter arguments, and then you decided that they were attacks to your person and treating you like trash.

My statement was, and I quote:

"If dashes worked like traditional fighters (near-instant startup, you can use all your moves while dashing like when you're standing, no dash attacks), I'm certain wavedashing would be near borderline-useless in most situations."

Literally everyone ignored that part for some reason and fixated on the part about dashing being a commitment.

The problem with this is that the cast would lose access to the benefits of wavedashing/wavelanding onto platforms/back onto the stage, which arguably can be more important than wavedashing by itself.

In this hypothetical game, I would retain wavedashing and wavelanding precisely so they can be used in those situations. They just wouldn't be as important as they were in Smash, as dashing would take over most of their purposes on the ground. The game had more complexity in other places though so it wouldn't get too simple.

 

[MechWarriorNY]

Stop digging yourself deeper by getting worked up over the little details.

inb4 you do the same thing towards this post too

 

[GP&B]

Wavedashing/landing in general provides standing options out of the air as you can choose to land sooner. Its use on the ground alongside dashing is more so just to get you out of a run to you can use dash dancing again and even then, pivot options and crouching still overlap here. The air component plays a huge part in its importance and isn't simply replaced by giving dashing/running more freedom.

 

[PMS | Tink-er]

Run is a bigger commitment because you're running head on at you opponent and lose almost all of your defensive options.

 

[Raccoon Chuck]

Thank you Based @OSCA MIKE . You are true 1337 /\/\4S73R.

 

[Rᴏb]

Very funny, but I was never one of those players who disliked competitive Smash, as unfitting as that it for your reddit-level quip. I always found it interesting, but never pursued it until now.

Wow, you're pretty sensitive huh? I like to call it wavecheating because I personally find that term hilarious- it has nothing to do with you.

But for calling my humor "reddit-level" I'm gonna have to tell you to go **** yourself.

 

[Chesstiger2612]

I'm seriously wondering if the shine is supposed to be a surface of a tesseract, also that inner hexagon which would be the inner cube would fit. Probably wasn't the original intention, but still...

 

[Vashimus]

And I'm not sure if everyone understands here. You can't crouch during dash, you can crouch during run. They're two different animations. Dashing is the startup of run (when you can input a dashdance or an empty pivot), and run is the animation you go into if you keep holding forwards after dash (when you can input a crouch).

Why are you making terms more convoluted than they have to be? A dash is dash, the run you do when you smash the control stick left or right on the ground. The initial frames of the dash can't be cancelled except dashing the other way, but the whole action is called a dash. Never heard anyone refer to dash and run as two different things in Smash.

 

[Frostav]

Wavedashing/landing in general provides standing options out of the air as you can choose to land sooner. Its use on the ground alongside dashing is more so just to get you out of a run to you can use dash dancing again and even then, pivot options and crouching still overlap here. The air component plays a huge part in its importance and isn't simply replaced by giving dashing/running more freedom.

In the dash system I described, dashing would still be the go to option. One of the things I didn't mention was that this system let you dash dance at any time during a dash no matter what (i.e you could cancel a dash into the opposite direction at any time with almost zero lag). Indeed, there are no "initial frames", you just start dashing immediately as soon as you smash the stick.

The ethos behind this system was to mix Smash with traditional fighting games (only a little, the game is still a platform fighter with percentage and recovery, and an attack system of jab/tilt/smash/special/throw), and basically started as a dumb little thought experiment that got bigger as I watched more Smash and started getting a better grasp on the mechanics.

 

[Jolteon]

Smh the pmdt abusing the omnigay in tourney. Good pr for your game right there.

What abuse?

 

[InfamousLuffy]

hello out of 10 what do you rate my avi? m8

 

[Saito]

In this hypothetical game, I would retain wavedashing and wavelanding precisely so they can be used in those situations. They just wouldn't be as important as they were in Smash, as dashing would take over most of their purposes on the ground. The game had more complexity in other places though so it wouldn't get too simple.

Considering what you're saying, Wavedashing would be just slightly less useful.

People would still make use of a backwards wavedash, but the only difference is that they would be able to be even more aggressive with it.

Since we would be able to do anything out of a dash as opposed to having to wait for the dash animation to end to be able to crouch, one could wavedash backwards, run forward and still pull off a jab instead of the options they would normally have while trying to dash at such close proximity in melee or project M.

Wavelands could also benefit from this greatly because they would be able to be "extended" essentially since no matter how far they run, they can still do the options they would of done out of the waveland anyway.

This still goes hand in hand with wavedashing's other use of edge guarding, wavelanding off of platforms to do fast falled aerials, and just mindgames in general.

In fact, I'd think people would find even more uses out of them just because of the fact that a lot of smashers would play this type of game, and be familiar with how to apply it in a new environment.

 

[MechWarriorNY]

Or they'd just mash and benefit mindlessly anyway, kek

 

[Gamegenie222]

Why are you making terms more convoluted than they have to be? A dash is dash, the run you do when you smash the control stick left or right on the ground. The initial frames of the dash can't be cancelled except dashing the other way, but the whole action is called a dash. Never heard anyone refer to dash and run as two different things in Smash.

Maybe in the MK games I believe though I may be wrong.

 

[Frostav]

Considering what you're saying, Wavedashing would be just slightly less useful.

People would still make use of a backwards wavedash, but the only difference is that they would be able to be even more aggressive with it.

Since we would be able to do anything out of a dash as opposed to having to wait for the dash animation to end to be able to crouch, one could wavedash backwards, run forward and still pull off a jab instead of the options they would normally have while trying to dash at such close proximity.

Why would people do this when they could just dash backwards, then immediately cancel it into a forward dash (and then jab)?

Wavelands could also benefit from this greatly because they would be able to be "extended" essentially since no matter how far they run, they can still do the options they would of done out of the waveland anyway.

This still goes hand in hand with wavedashing's other use of edge guarding, wavelanding off of platforms to do fast falled aerials, and just mindgames in general.

In this system, I allowed the player to dash off a platform (but not the "main" one), so that's another thing wavelanding's obsoleted for. It could still be used for edgeguarding though which is why I kept it in.

See, this is a much more fun conversation than everyone yelling at me.

 

[MechWarriorNY]

You're learning already.
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[Frostav]

You're learning already.
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I legitimately cannot tell if you're insulting me or not (I have a lot of trouble with that in real life and the internet) and I'm just going to assume that you are given your previous post in the past hour.

 

[Empyrean]

Why are you making terms more convoluted than they have to be? A dash is dash, the run you do when you smash the control stick left or right on the ground. The initial frames of the dash can't be cancelled except dashing the other way, but the whole action is called a dash. Never heard anyone refer to dash and run as two different things in Smash.

I dunno I feel like the distinction is necessary. I've been looking at smash 4 frame data and such a lot lately and the options available while dashing are awfully different than running, and it would be extremely confusing if both were referred to as dash imo.

 

[PMS | Tink-er]

Why are you making terms more convoluted than they have to be? A dash is dash, the run you do when you smash the control stick left or right on the ground. The initial frames of the dash can't be cancelled except dashing the other way, but the whole action is called a dash. Never heard anyone refer to dash and run as two different things in Smash.

Because they're two different actions with different utilities and amounts of commitment. Also they're two different animations. Running is an aggressive move (your best option out of run is almost always to attack), dashing is a transitionary state mainly used to dashdance.

I'm like 90% sure I learned this by watching Kanado's YouTube videos. But anyways, they're very different moves.

 

[Player -0]

Growing thicker skin = mission failed.

@ PMS | Tink-er At any point during this you can crouch though, you just got yourself a ton more stage control though. Dashing you can't do this.

 

[Wolf_]

New tag, don't know if anyone cares lol

 

[Leafeon]

hello out of 10 what do you rate my avi? m8

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I legitimately cannot tell if you're insulting me or not (I have a lot of trouble with that in real life and the internet) and I'm just going to assume that you are given your previous post in the past hour.

Growing thicker skin = mission failed.

@ PMS | Tink-er At any point during this you can crouch though, you just got yourself a ton more stage control though. Dashing you can't do this.

wow

 

[InfamousLuffy]

0.1




wow

k lol thank you for your kindness

 

[Saito]

Why would people do this when they could just dash backwards, then immediately cancel it into a forward dash (and then jab)?

Mindgames, mixups, and spacing.

With the way mechanics are explained in this game, it almost seems like that you will instantly stop if you let go of movement at all. (That is to say, let the stick return to neutral position)

If this is true, then I'd be more inclined to agree that no one would do this.

If this is false, then wavedashing could and would be utilized to stop as well.

Then again; assuming it's false, arguably there is no way a pivot would not exist in this game so a dash -> backwards dash -> turnaround would essentially serve the same purpose, but it sounds like it would be close to a perfect pivot in terms of difficulty since holding it for too long would cause another dash.

I'm gonna stop here since I'm not sure how these mechanics work.

In this system, I allowed the player to dash off a platform (but not the "main" one), so that's another thing wavelanding's obsoleted for. It could still be used for edgeguarding though which is why I kept it in.

It would get rid of wavedashing off of a platform, but since you have to be on the platform to use that mechanic (Assumption) it wouldn't really affect wavelanding.

In fact, If I waveland onto the platform I would be able to use that mechanic to instantly get off of that platform and get the jump on my opponent. The only thing is that it would provide more leniency since I would be able to reproduce a waveland like effect regardless if I do a wavedash or a perfect waveland.

 

[Empyrean]

We all know the only correct way of moving around the stage is wavescuttling

 

[Frostav]

Growing thicker skin = mission failed.

Am I on Smashboards or 4chan? Please, go back to /v/ and s***post there. Last I checked, being an obnoxious reddit-tier twit was against the rules.

And here I was, thinking that Smashboards would have higher-quality discussion than /r/smashbros. Looks like I was completely wrong.

Mindgames, mixups, and spacing.

With the way mechanics are explained in this game, it almost seems like that you will instantly stop if you let go of movement at all. (That is to say, let the stick return to neutral position)

If this is true, then I'd be more inclined to agree that no one would do this.

If this is false, then wavedashing could and would be utilized to stop as well.

Then again; assuming it's false, arguably there is no way a pivot would not exist in this game so a dash -> backwards dash -> turnaround would essentially serve the same purpose, but it sounds like it would be close to a perfect pivot in terms of difficulty since holding it for too long would cause another dash.

I'm gonna stop here since I'm not sure how these mechanics work.

You go into a braking animation if you let go of the stick.

It would get rid of wavedashing off of a platform, but since you have to be on the platform to use that mechanic (Assumption) it wouldn't really affect wavelanding.

In fact, If I waveland onto the platform I would be able to use that mechanic to instantly get off of that platform and get the jump on my opponent. The only thing is that it would provide more leniency since I would be able to reproduce a waveland like effect regardless if I do a wavedash or a perfect waveland.

This is actually something I intended players to do: waveland onto platforms and then dash off of them quickly.

 

[Warsaint777]

yess the 10 hour video is out

you already know i'm goin straight to watchin lower teir weirdos crush ass like darkblues' bowser this is AWESOME MOAR MOAR

 

[Rᴏb]

hello out of 10 what do you rate my avi? m8

hello

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Am I on Smashboards or 4chan? Please, go back to /v/ and s***post there. Last I checked, being an obnoxious reddit-tier twit was against the rules.

And here I was, thinking that Smashboards would have higher-quality discussion than /r/smashbros. Looks like I was completely wrong.

Newsflash: Every part of the internet has ****-tier discussion, even heavily moderated boards. If you don't like what somebody has to say, there's an ignore button here for a reason.

Stop trying to instigate a fight with everyone that even says something indirectly towards you.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Hylian]

Am I on Smashboards or 4chan? Please, go back to /v/ and s***post there. Last I checked, being an obnoxious reddit-tier twit was against the rules.

And here I was, thinking that Smashboards would have higher-quality discussion than /r/smashbros. Looks like I was completely wrong.



You go into a braking animation if you let go of the stick.





This is actually something I intended players to do: waveland onto platforms and then dash off of them quickly.

Did you watch my video?

 

[MechWarriorNY]

@ Frostav

 

[Frostav]

Newsflash: Every part of the internet has ****-tier discussion, even heavily moderated boards. If you don't like what somebody has to say, there's an ignore button for a reason.

Stop trying to instigate a fight with everyone that even says something indirectly towards you.

Smooth Criminal

I would do that if several people on this thread weren't making continued efforts to directly antagonize and attack me for literally zero reason whatsoever

If you attack someone over and over again, even after they already apologized for what set you off, they tend to get pissed.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

That's called a persecution complex, bud. You might wanna work on that. I've said my piece/peace to you, now I'm done with it.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Bleck]

wait I missed it what are we antagonizing him about

 

[Smooth Criminal]

wait I missed it what are we antagonizing him about

Probably a lot of stuff you would agree with him on, obtuse inputs and the like.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Saito]

You go into a braking animation if you let go of the stick.

During this animation, what can you do?
Or are you unable to act during this animation?

 

[Soft Serve]

I think the whole thread should just chill for a second and let this pretty lady relax you with her pretty voice

 

[MechWarriorNY]

NO

/kidding

 

[Hylian]

I would do that if several people on this thread weren't making continued efforts to directly antagonize and attack me for literally zero reason whatsoever

If you attack someone over and over again, even after they already apologized for what set you off, they tend to get pissed.

Except the part where I made perfectly reasonable posts toward in you in attempts to do nothing but help and you just ignored me >_>.

 

[~Dad~]

I would do that if several people on this thread weren't making continued efforts to directly antagonize and attack me for literally zero reason whatsoever

If you attack someone over and over again, even after they already apologized for what set you off, they tend to get pissed.

dang he's pist