Project M Social Thread Gold

[Soulstice Music]

So the red herring of sales was brought up here in order to ***** about the community not having the proper respect in one guy's opinion.

Because creating a mod in honor of everything we love about Smash is disrespectful toward the people who make Smash.

Gotcha.

I actually listed several other (in my opinion, more important) reasons for why I brought this up. That last comment was just a side note, and in no way can it be used to summarize my entire opinion on the matter. Did you just read the last few lines or something?

>We should only have good things to say about the franchise in general

People have the right to not like certain things or certain games and they have the right to voice that opinion respectfully. Sucking on Nintendo's balls isn't going to get us anywhere interesting.

Of all of the things I said, I don't know why that was the thing people focused in on. I made much more important points.

But since you spoke up, I would say that also have the equal right to voice that opinion in a disrespectful manner, and in a way that devalues the Nintendo's IP, and that is why I listed that in my reasons for why P:M, its developer's, and its community, need to think before acting when we realize that we are reflecting how Nintendo's official products are being perceived.

 

[TTTTTsd]

I think the fact that the PM DT is even considering not releasing stuff around official releases is cool, but it REALLY doesn't detract from Smash U, now does it?

I fail to think so, at all. By now Smash 4 has been on 3DS long enough for people to make a conscious decision whether they wanna buy in or not, if they like the game or not, etc. The best way I can put it is that P:M literally costs 0 dollars and Smash 4 costs money but is a completely different game in both nature, execution, and design, and I really doubt it has any affect on sales. The consumer base is well informed of what Smash 4 is, they're definitely aware of P:M, it's a free ****ing mod.

TL;DR it's not going to do jack diddly.

 

[Saito]

Of course I made those numbers up. Whether it's 0.000001% or 0.0001%, it doesn't matter. Tournament attendance is a big indicator of the number of people actively playing any Smash game competitively. PM3.0 overall (including 3.02) IIRC has something around 60,000+ downloads.

It's not going to make a difference.

900k actually.

Some people download it multiple times though.

I'd be willing to say 300k of those are legitimate downloads and not just new downloads for the next patch (E.G 2.6 -> 3.0)

Likewise, I'd be willing to say at least a million+ people know about project M and maybe around 350k have played it.

Even still, most people won't be swayed just because of Project M's 3.5 release. It may stop a few people from getting it, but not that many in comparison to the big picture.

 

[hotdogturtle]

That change to Stamina Mode? Looks like Ganons could be huge griefers if they don't make an exception to Ganoncides...

Edit: Just noticed that you lose 5 HP each time you go off the blast zones... So if you have more than a -5 HP difference you'd BETTER not get Side-B'd offstage

Since the move goes diagonally downwards, you'd eventually land back on the stage.

But don't use a downwards move like Bowser Bomb or you'll time yourself out.

 

[Saito]

Ganon's side B in the new stamina mode sounds so amazing.

In fact, the new stamina mode is probably going to be my most played project M mode, even more than classic stock if it's fun enough.

 

[MechWarriorNY]

Why the HELL are you lot infighting right now, of all times?

 

[GP&B]

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900k actually.

Some people download it multiple times though.

I'd be willing to say 300k of those are legitimate downloads and not just new downloads for the next patch (E.G 2.6 -> 3.0)

Likewise, I'd be willing to say at least a million+ people know about project M and maybe around 350k have played it.

Even still, most people won't be swayed just because of Project M's 3.5 release. It may stop a few people from getting it, but not that many in comparison to the big picture.

Jesus, touche. Site was down for like a second when I checked it so I wasn't fully sure.

Again though, I don't think it's gonna be an issue. To some, PM was a holdover until Smash 4 came around and for others, the release won't stop them from playing either. If Smash 4 sells under 5 million overall, it'd be a result of the Wii U selling horrendously (it's practically an HD Gamecube), not PM.

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

I think the fact that the PM DT is even considering not releasing stuff around official releases is cool, but it REALLY doesn't detract from Smash U, now does it?

I fail to think so, at all. By now Smash 4 has been on 3DS long enough for people to make a conscious decision whether they wanna buy in or not, if they like the game or not, etc. The best way I can put it is that P:M literally costs 0 dollars and Smash 4 costs money but is a completely different game in both nature, execution, and design, and I really doubt it has any affect on sales. The consumer base is well informed of what Smash 4 is, they're definitely aware of P:M, it's a free ****ing mod.

TL;DR it's not going to do jack diddly.

This. Peeps are overreacting.
Vault Boy pls, check my nnid and guess who I am.

 

[Strong Badam]

Of course I made those numbers up. Whether it's 0.000001% or 0.0001%, it doesn't matter. Tournament attendance is a big indicator of the number of people actively playing any Smash game competitively. PM3.0 overall (including 3.02) IIRC has something around 60,000+ downloads.

It's not going to make a difference.

if by 60K you mean 918k then yea =P

edit: dang someone else beat me to it

 

[HiNiTe]

7.09 Million compared to the 970 entrants for Melee @ Evo, which is IIRC, the largest melee tournament to date

Brawl Sales according to Nintendo Website

PM isn't gonna do **** to Smash 4, you need to relax

You're comparing sales of an increidbly casual console (Wii) that sold 100+ million consoles to a GameCube title, which sold only 23 million and the Wii U which is under 10 million. lol

 

[Prince Longstrok]

I was a tad sad to see that there is no new character, buttt.. I also get my hands on it in two days <3

crap.. Im sposed to be playing Warlords of Draenor tomorrow.. MUCH CONFLICT. SOO HYPE. WOW.

Aside from that, everything looks amazing PMBR. Id have sex with ya if that was a thing. <3

 

[GP&B]

if by 60K you mean 918k then yea =P

edit: dang someone else beat me to it

Lol yeah.

Maybe I was thinking of 2.5/2.6b or something. 3.0 was righteously hype enough to warrant those downloads.

 

[Binary Clone]

You're comparing sales of an increidbly casual console (Wii) that sold 100+ million consoles to a GameCube title, which sold only 23 million and the Wii U which is under 10 million. lol

Looks like this is relevant again.

Spoiler

@Bleck (and whoever was arguing with him)
Out of curiosity, I decided to look up some actual statistics on Brawl sales, Melee sales, and sales of their respective systems.

Since its release in late 2006, the Wii has sold about 101.2 million units as of the end of September. By contrast, from its release in late 2001, the Gamecube sold about 21.74 million units until it was discontinued in 2007.

Brawl is the Wii's 9th best-selling game, while Melee was Gamecube's #1. As of March 31, Brawl has sold 12.14 million copies worldwide since its 2008 release, while Melee sold over 7 million copies as of March 10, 2008 since its 2001 release, which is both a fairly comparable sales timespan, and the latest sales stat we have for Melee, probably due to its discontinuation.

These statistics in mind, we can see that about 12% of Wii consoles had a Brawl disc to go along with it, while about 32% of Gamecube consoles had a Melee disc attached.

That means that Melee only sold a bit under 60% as well as Brawl did, but it did so with about 21% the install base.

I'm not gonna draw conclusions about this here, but given all the talk about sales and success going on, I figured some hard numbers might help to have an actual discussion.

But yeah, I doubt it'll make that much of an impact. Very few people are going to completely opt out of smash 4 because of PM.

 

[Empyrean]

I downloaded 3.0 3 times, lol.

 

[Alfonzo Bagpipez]

I probably downloaded it 8 times :/

 

[Soulstice Music]

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900k actually.

Some people download it multiple times though.

I'd be willing to say 300k of those are legitimate downloads and not just new downloads for the next patch (E.G 2.6 -> 3.0)

Likewise, I'd be willing to say at least a million+ people know about project M and maybe around 350k have played it.

Even still, most people won't be swayed just because of Project M's 3.5 release. It may stop a few people from getting it, but not that many in comparison to the big picture.

Hopefully you're right... I still think waiting would have at least been more respectful though (and less risky). As I said, Nintendo doesn't actually need proof for a C&D, just cause to think it's worth doing (for example, a perceived loss in sales). I do think that Wii U sm4sh will sell less than Brawl. Not only because of the 3DS version, but also because of the significantly lowered sales figures of the Wii U units. Sm4sh is supposed to push units. I think there will be a great number of people who will just keep their Wii and P:M over geting a Wii U and Sm4sh, especially now that there isn't going to be new content hovering in their faces taunting them... Because they are getting new content now. Sure, they could have waited it out, but... People are pretty darn impatient.

Anyways... P:M is growing in popularity. Being careful with this type of thing would be advantageous. I'm actually surprised at how few people seem to agree with that statement.

EDIT:
I actually didn't download anything past 3.0, but I transferred the file to the SD cards of friends (unaccounted for downloads), and played friend's copies all of the time. ...Just because people were saying how many times they downloaded P:M.

 

[Johnknight1]

If sales mattered so much, then maybe Nintendo should start making good games on a more routine basis.

*points at laughs at Yoshi's NEW Island, Paper Mario: Stupid Star, and NEW Super Mario Bros U*

 

[shairn]

Why the HELL are you lot infighting right now, of all times?

Yes Mech in a perfect world we agree on everything but unfortunately that's not the case.

 

[Giygacoal]

Hm, he seems upset about something.

I wonder what will happen.

 

[Saito]

I had intended to bring project M to a friend's birthday party.

That party is on saturday.

Thank you PMBR.

But the problem is that with new stuff comes the fact that I have to redo my music.
Gotta fix previously glitchy songs
Redo the sound on too quiet and too loud ones
Add new songs for new stages

And now even more importantly, I have to add music for Subspace emissary stuff as well.


With all that being said I actually have a question for anyone in the PMBR if it can be answered.

Will Galleom and Duon have their original sounds back or will they still be Mewtwo/Roy sound effects?

 

[TreK]

if by 60K you mean 918k then yea =P

edit: dang someone else beat me to it

I've always wondered, is that stat the amount of downloads since 1.0, or since the last update ?
Because if it's from 1.0, you should add a second stat about the last update, that's what most people are interested in :V

 

[Johnknight1]

But yeah, I doubt it'll make that much of an impact. Very few people are going to completely opt out of smash 4 because of PM.

If anything PM and Brawl mods will make MORE SALES for Nintendo because people will inevitably hack Smash WiiU (and that will probably be better due to people figuring out the codes for DLC additions and how to exploit it to infinitely or essentially infinitely add content).

Besides, most people into PM will probably be like me and have setups for Project M, Melee, and Smash WiiU right next to each other (I'd have 64 too if I had a N64; mine got lost in a move several years back, but I still have my Smash 64 copy lol).

I know I plan on playing Smash WiiU and Project M 3.5 at the same time on screens right next to one another.

 

[GP&B]

Will Galleom and Duon have their original sounds back or will they still be Mewtwo/Roy sound effects?

Oh god I forgot about this.

But if SSE is being reopened, then that has to mean they changed up how sounds are loaded.

... Or we're gonna just deal with really weird boss fights lol

 

[Sapphire Dragon]

Anyways... P:M is growing in popularity. Being careful with this type of thing would be advantageous. I'm actually surprised at how few people seem to agree with that statement.

I felt the exact same way you did before the announcement, to be honest. I thought that PM would not release for months after Smash 4 at the very least, and that they were just developing more awesomeness to be revealed at a later date.

However, when the announcement hit, I was shocked. I then thought about it for a bit, and realized that if they wanted to release something again without it being seriously risky for many months after Smash 4, then right before Smash 4 would be the best. People would be able to play this before the game is out, and then when Smash 4 drops, all the focus will be on Smash 4 only since there will be nothing new happening with PM past that point. Anyone interested in PM will still be playing 3.5.

In the end, the responsibility for this game and maintaining it is entirely the PMDT's. It's their call and I'm sure they've discussed it a lot before making the final decision to release it so soon. Either way if PM gets bopped, I will always have the archived versions up. PM and this community will forever be.

 

[Deleted member]

BEST NEWS TO COME HOME TO YESZ!!!

 

[Strong Badam]

I've always wondered, is that stat the amount of downloads since 1.0, or since the last update ?
Because if it's from 1.0, you should add a second stat about the last update, that's what most people are interested in :V

It's the number of downloads of 3.0 specifically.

 

[Warsaint777]

Alright asshats I just came into work. If for the next 8 hours the conversation isn't fluid and consistently entertaining god help the lot of you.

 

[GP&B]

Now that I think of it, this kind of release date is beneficial for tournaments. Plenty of time to run PM tournaments while Smash 4 settles in and joins the conversation.

 

[DrinkingFood]

Also to keep in mind not everyone who plays has downloaded it at all. For every wii owner who has downloaded it 3+ times because the files get corrupted or w/e, he might have 1-5 or more wii-less friends who don't contribute to the download count but WOULD contribute to a hypothetical player count.

 

[Prince Longstrok]

Did they get rid of the PMBR banners, or is Strong Bad no longer PMBR? D:

 

[Soulstice Music]

I felt the exact same way you did before the announcement, to be honest. I thought that PM would not release for months after Smash 4 at the very least, and that they were just developing more awesomeness to be revealed at a later date.

However, when the announcement hit, I was shocked. I then thought about it for a bit, and realized that if they wanted to release something again without it being seriously risky for many months after Smash 4, then right before Smash 4 would be the best. People would be able to play this before the game is out, and then when Smash 4 drops, all the focus will be on Smash 4 only since there will be nothing new happening with PM past that point. Anyone interested in PM will still be playing 3.5.

In the end, the responsibility for this game and maintaining it is entirely the PMDT's. It's their call and I'm sure they've discussed it a lot before making the final decision to release it so soon. Either way if PM gets bopped, I will always have the archived versions up. PM and this community will forever be.

I do hope that Smash 4 is the focus of attention for a while, at least in the mainstream. I suspect there will be some sort of bugfixes/balance changes after 3.5, so I do believe that the two games will be competing for some amount of attention now (more so than before because of the release decision).

In the end you're right though. What happens is up to the PMDT, and I'm sure their intentions are good. I sincerely hope they made the right decision.

 

[Johnknight1]

It's the number of downloads of 3.0 specifically.

Yep, and that's not counting non-officially linked downloads.

Just for curiosities' sake, would anyone happen to know the total downloads of all previous versions before 3.0=???

 

[Saito]

I think there will be a great number of people who will just keep their Wii and P:M over geting a Wii U and Sm4sh, especially now that there isn't going to be new content hovering in their faces taunting them... Because they are getting new content now. Sure, they could have waited it out, but... People are pretty darn impatient.

Anyways... P:M is growing in popularity. Being careful with this type of thing would be advantageous. I'm actually surprised at how few people seem to agree with that statement.

After Nintendo reached out to players during the Invitational, I've got heavy doubts that they would do something like shut down project M because it won't reflect good on them by quite a bit of the competitive community (which they seem to be trying to get the favor of)

It also sounds like a bad move in general.

Let's assume that some people decided not to get Smash 4 because of 3.5. With that assumption in mind it should also be safe to assume that some people who love project M will still get smash 4 regardless of 3.5 because they love smash or they just like smash 4's mechanics as well as Project M's.

It's probably a greater number of people that will get smash 4 regardless of 3.5 as opposed to the people that won't get it because of 3.5 .
Now what would happen if Nintendo shut down Project M? It's likely that a lot of people who might of had plans to enjoy both might not want to buy Smash 4 just out of spite of Nintendo's actions. The people that weren't going to get it because of 3.5 still won't be getting it either because of the reasons in the previous statement.

If we assume Nintendo is in it for the money, it's probably more beneficial for them to leave project M alone.
If we assume Nintendo is in it for their customers, it's probably more beneficial for them to leave project M alone.

They literally gain nothing by shutting it down, and at most, damage the relationship they have with quite a few of their customers.

 

[Warsaint777]

wow everything about 3.5 trailer looks amazing

But. Honestly i'm a little disappointed there's no new character(s) even though I didn't have high hopes for that yet.

 

[MechWarriorNY]

*unnecessarily passive-aggressive post*

No johns.

 

[Soulstice Music]

After Nintendo reached out to players during the Invitational, I've got heavy doubts that they would do something like shut down project M because it won't reflect good on them by quite a bit of the competitive community (which they seem to be trying to get the favor of)

It also sounds like a bad move in general.

[...]

If we assume Nintendo is in it for the money, it's probably more beneficial for them to leave project M alone.
If we assume Nintendo is in it for their customers, it's probably more beneficial for them to leave project M alone.

They literally gain nothing by shutting it down, and at most, damage the relationship they have with quite a few of their customers.

Good points. I don't mean to make any accusations by saying this, but I do hope that PMDT didn't choose to push the game forward sooner because they feel that Nintendo is cornered, though.

 

[SmashBroski]

So is this the Charizard alt.?

 

[MechWarriorNY]

Shoutouts to Pokemon Conquest.

 

[Warsaint777]

I haven't emphasized this yet cuz all I did was complain about there being no new char.

PMBR, 3.5 looks ****ING AMAZING.

You guys are seriously so talented and smart, and you continue to prove that you are the maintainers of what is ironically but beautifully the truest rendition of Smash Brothers.

I don't know if this message is just not spoken aloud enough, but in the future if/when you desire to or are forced to move away from using Nintendo franchised material, please create a Smash Bros-inspired game from the ground up of your own imagination and make it even more perfect.

Btw i don't' even have a wii or ****ing play the game. :/

 

[Strong Badam]

Did they get rid of the PMBR banners, or is Strong Bad no longer PMBR? D:

I can only choose to display one banner between Back Room and Project M Dev Team. I've used Back Room since ~June or so. Idk why people didn't notice sooner.