.:Project Klonoa::..Pretty much dead:::.....

[shock44]

Ness, why? Because Lucas and ness pretty much have the same projectiles.

Ness can't be used because his TransN bone index is 4, and the important bones that can't be messed with for Klonoa have bone indexes of 2,3 and 4. So the TransN bone can be anything that is higher than 4.

Edit: So are we all okay with replacing Mario?

 

[thanyou]

Replacing Mario would be good, I just hope that Pw finishes up the clone engine/research on .rels soon so we can put him over any character, instead of just mario.

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

You're changing characters AGAIN? DX

Oh **** it, As long as it doesn't replace Sonic or Falcon then I don't give a ****.

Aye! XD *raises hand in agreement with replacing Mario*

 

[HidanOmega]

I'm fine with Mario, love the guy but, Klonoa is so much better.

 

[Matteron]

Ya I guess mario is fine.

 

[shock44]

Alright then, I'll start fixing Klonoa to work on Mario and we can start work again.

 

[HidanOmega]

Alright then, I'll start fixing Klonoa to work on Mario and we can start work again.

Awesome, lets hope it all works out from here.

 

[frostymm]

Awww man =/ Mario is one of my favorites. I was hoping you wouldn't have to replace any from the original Smash bros. but I guess it can't be helped. Is there any way you could make one for Luigi and Mario? So We could have the option? I guess I can deal with Mario being replaced for now though T.T All for the sake of having Klonoa... Good luck T.T

 

[xANDERssbb]

Awww man =/ Mario is one of my favorites. I was hoping you wouldn't have to replace any from the original Smash bros. but I guess it can't be helped. Is there any way you could make one for Luigi and Mario? So We could have the option? I guess I can deal with Mario being replaced for now though T.T All for the sake of having Klonoa... Good luck T.T

No worries the full clone engine will be out sooner or later.

 

[red stone]

mario is good with me and he's one of my mains so better make klonoa good lol

 

[Salezander]

Well we are in need of someone with a tether recovery (not upB but Z) and at least 2 projectiles. so that leaves us with who, Lucas Samus TLink Link.

Wait i thought you needed a tether recovery, and also Tlink might be good if the bones work.

 

[StarWaffle]

no one with a tether recocery had the right bone index ;-; no zair/tether recovery for klonoa :[

 

[Blank Mauser]

Will he still have a ranged grab? Maybe he could still be like Olimar, no Zair but a tether special or something.

Best of luck with the switch.

 

[StarWaffle]

yeah range grab will still be fine, i just wanted him to have a zair and zair recovery

 

[xANDERssbb]

i just got my full tails brawl model to work on olimar. but he stretches when he stands still. If you did fix it could i have the fix lol?That and i need to get rid of everything olimar im trying to just get sonics animations fully over olimar.

 

[frostymm]

Why would Klonoa need a tether? I mean, that's a big character weakness there. I would know, I main Olimar. Especially since Klonoa's main element is wind, I would think he would be able to like blast wind underneath his ears like in his double jump from the game to get up higher (Without the enemy needed though.). It'd be cool to have a Zair tether but if not, I most certainly wouldn't try to give him a tether special =/

 

[Blank Mauser]

Well I'm sure he can keep the ability to fly. A zair might've been ideal but oh well. Maybe PSA can do something about it at some point, or a better way to change bone indexes around later.

 

[janfeae]

I hope this gets continued soon. I really want a completed model hack, and I want this to be the first one; and I don't know the first thing about klonoa lol

 

[StarWaffle]

shock has been testing a whole bunch of characters, weve had some good ones but they also caused new problems. We are still searching

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

"We"? You mean you're not "on strike" anymore? XD

Hope things go well for you guys then. :3

 

[frostymm]

Last one he told me he was trying was Yoshi. If you say he hasn't found the right character yet then I'm guessing that one didn't work out as planned. ^^' Poor Shock.

 

[shock44]

Okay guys here is a new update video. This shows the current problem and I can't think of what to do at this point to solve it. If anyone can help me with this problem then please do so.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xcpr85_klonoa-brawl-running-animation-prob_videogames

 

[FrozenHobo]

it looks like his transN bone is too far down.... but i'm not familiar with character bone structures, so i'm probably off.

 

[HidanOmega]

Chibo had a similar problem with Waluigi once I think. You might be able to get something out of his topic. I found this in the first few pages.

Just for some background on how I got it to work and not stick in the ground...

The TransN bone is what controls movement. The index for TransN on Red Alloy is 5 iirc and it's 4 on Waluigi (might be 4 and 3, either way, they're one apart from each other). When dealing with the motion, the movement for the model is referrenced to the bone index, not the bone name (good job Nintendo). So originally the movement for running was still on TransN bone on Waluigi, but it had to be on one index higher which is XRotN. I took the Z displacement change that was on TransN and moved it to XRotN and then it worked (this was the fix in v.02) so then I had to fix the height. The height of the model was stored in originally YRotN, though of course Red Alloy's YRotN had an index of one higher than Waluigi's YRotN so I had to move the Y displacement of Waluigi's YRotN to the next bone (can't remember the name off the top of my head).

This all together fixed Running perfectly, but when I do it for walking, yea it puts him above ground and moves, but for some reason his walking and momentum goes into overdrive. It makes no sense at all. iirc when I fixed just WalkSlow (testing that before fixing WalkMiddle and WalkFast) WalkSlow worked fine (which is when I posted here I think I found the work around) which means there's a glitch in WalkMiddle or WalkFast most likely. I still don't get it though.

 

[shock44]

I took the Z displacement change that was on TransN and moved it to XRotN and then it worked (this was the fix in v.02) so then I had to fix the height. The height of the model was stored in originally YRotN, though of course Red Alloy's YRotN had an index of one higher than Waluigi's YRotN so I had to move the Y displacement of Waluigi's YRotN to the next bone (can't remember the name off the top of my head).

The thing is though, was did he adjust the animation for running or the T pose? I'm guessing the T pose since he was trying to fix the walking too. I'll give this a try but I'm not so sure about this. I'll let you know what happens.

 

[HidanOmega]

The thing is though, was did he adjust the animation for running or the T pose? I'm guessing the T pose since he was trying to fix the walking too. I'll give this a try but I'm not so sure about this. I'll let you know what happens.

I'm not sure. I thought Waluigi had a problem with sinking into the ground so I mentioned it. I figured if it was anything useful you might be able to do something similar but, maybe not. Just figured i'd try to find something that might be relevent if anything at all.

 

[NAMQ_DrunkeNFeasT]

klonoa looked hot in the video... even running below the floor ^^

*hype*

 

[Salezander]

So is Yoshi out or is it going well.... or what? Also i thought about it, and would sheik work? I mean its probably a stupid idea because of the lack of projectiles but she does have the sideB in the air as a tether recovery, but then there's the Zelda thing so.... Maybe? Or is it impossible?

 

[HidanOmega]

So is Yoshi out or is it going well.... or what? Also i thought about it, and would sheik work? I mean its probably a stupid idea because of the lack of projectiles but she does have the sideB in the air as a tether recovery, but then there's the Zelda thing so.... Maybe? Or is it impossible?

From what I heard, all the characters that have tether recoveries don't have the right bone index.

 

[shock44]

Okay guys, I got Klonoa almost working on Lucas. I have 2 problems that I will address in this video.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xcqnph_klonoa-almost-works-but-we-have-2-l_videogames

If anyone can help with the two problems in this video then please let me know. Thanks.

 

[xANDERssbb]

Okay guys, I got Klonoa almost working on Lucas. I have 2 problems that I will address in this video.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xcqnph_klonoa-almost-works-but-we-have-2-l_videogames

If anyone can help with the two problems in this video then please let me know. Thanks.

hey could you maybe pm me the Downlaod for klonoa i might be able to fix it,i cant really explain what im going to do lol but if you dont want to i perfectly understand.

 

[Matteron]

I have a theory for resolving the snap back glitch. I think that the game tracks the number of frames the animations for running and walking go through, and when a certain number of frames is reached the game will repeat the animation, but if the animation has fewer or less frames it will either:
If too much: Will snap back, but continue the animation where it left off as shown in the video
If too little: Will not move at all.
So try to mess around with the animations frame count and make it the same as lucas's

 

[xANDERssbb]

I have a theory for resolving the snap back glitch. I think that the game tracks the number of frames the animations for running and walking go through, and when a certain number of frames is reached the game will repeat the animation, but if the animation has fewer or less frames it will either:
If too much: Will snap back, but continue the animation where it left off as shown in the video
If too little: Will not move at all.
So try to mess around with the animations frame count and make it the same as lucas's

Omfg...... Did you jsut read my mind? scary as hell.
lol well now that matteron just stated what i was thinking no need for me to tinker with it you should knwo what i was gonan do lol.


also did ou test klonoa for any item freezes grab glitches etc?

 

[shock44]

I have a theory for resolving the snap back glitch. I think that the game tracks the number of frames the animations for running and walking go through, and when a certain number of frames is reached the game will repeat the animation, but if the animation has fewer or less frames it will either:
If too much: Will snap back, but continue the animation where it left off as shown in the video
If too little: Will not move at all.
So try to mess around with the animations frame count and make it the same as lucas's

I'll try making his frames the same length and tell you what happens.

Omfg...... Did you jsut read my mind? scary as hell.
lol well now that matteron just stated what i was thinking no need for me to tinker with it you should knwo what i was gonan do lol.


also did ou test klonoa for any item freezes grab glitches etc?

I think I've tried having him pick up an item before and it didn't freeze the game. As for the grabbing glitch I've already fixed that with setting his ThrowN and HipN correctly. He can throw people and people can throw him. I just need to fix the ledge grab glitch.

 

[Matteron]

Also, do you have an animation for klonoa for when he grabs the edge?

 

[StarWaffle]

I made all Klonoas animations the same length as lucas'

 

[Matteron]

well there goes that theory...

 

[shock44]

Also, do you have an animation for klonoa for when he grabs the edge?

No I don't, that's my first guess as to why he can't grab it but I don't really see why he would die when grabs a ledge.

 

[Matteron]

maybe part of his body teleports beyond the boundary.

 

[xANDERssbb]

maybe part of his body teleports beyond the boundary.

Hey heres another point out from the video, it looks as if the bone staying still when klonoa runs is verticle, it should be straight across with one or two bones connecting to it allowing him to run, that makes him not teleport.


Also i think leafberret is having the same problem with her gardevoir, i dont know if she fixed the grab ledge and hang, but i think she fixed the grab and not die.