Pretty in pink or true in blue, Krystal for Sm4sh!

[jahkzheng]

Kind of silly that I can't quote you because you're only posting a quote but....

@ Wolfheart07

I understand how one could do it, but I imagine he didn't do it intentionally. That why I said "somehow".

Also, I have no idea why, but I can't "@" Obnoxshush at all. I don't know if those brackets are screwing with it or something, but I guess there's no way to contact him unless I'm willing to alter his post....

Well, like this...

*Wolfheart07 Quote*

You somehow posted your comment in the post your replied to. I'm assuming that was an accident.

 

[XStarWarriorX]

So I was looking at some commentaries done over the unofficial early results list that was created a while back. This particular one ticked me off because of the severe hatred for Krystal and that unreasonable dislike hurts our cause. I don't mind when people say they aren't for her and name off reasoning, but it's just the blanket hatred because she has her reputation. So, if anyone feels like it you can light up the comment section. lol. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy1j8E0EwWQ)

Bro, RogersBase is trash. All he does is hate and flame, esp when he comments, dont take him or his dumb fans seriously, theyre more annoying then eitka fans. (Even tho his channel is decent for a laugh). Least they brought up Krystal, more exposure to her, the better. Hopefully the people who watched, did some research instead of blindly following--oh who am i kidding lol.

Edit: After scouring and losing brain cells while reading the comments, i saw no hate, just dumb stuff. Only krystal hate is that obvious troll that repeats it over and over, he got put in his place by someone else though.

Every day that passes i hope more and more that e3 will blow me away with the new starfox, just hope krystal is in it. I still expect 2-3 dlc announcements at e3 and i hope krystal is among them.

 

[jahkzheng]

Every day that passes i hope more and more that e3 will blow me away with the new starfox, just hope krystal is in it. I still expect 2-3 dlc announcements at e3 and i hope krystal is among them.

All this. E3 and Star Fox could be a real game changer for us... pun intended.

 

[Krayon Kaphonie]

Bro, RogersBase is trash. All he does is hate and flame, esp when he comments, dont take him or his dumb fans seriously, theyre more annoying then eitka fans. (Even tho his channel is decent for a laugh). Least they brought up Krystal, more exposure to her, the better. Hopefully the people who watched, did some research instead of blindly following--oh who am i kidding lol.

Edit: After scouring and losing brain cells while reading the comments, i saw no hate, just dumb stuff. Only krystal hate is that obvious troll that repeats it over and over, he got put in his place by someone else though.

Every day that passes i hope more and more that e3 will blow me away with the new starfox, just hope krystal is in it. I still expect 2-3 dlc announcements at e3 and i hope krystal is among them.

Hmm.. A Star Fox character reveal would be the best time at e3.. o.o I imagine a Montage of the new Star Fox and Wolf in Smash like Rosalina's trailer at the live direct how they mixed Mario kart 8 and her in Smash . ^-^ of course it'd be nice if Krystal interrupted his spot light like greninja did to Charizard. X)

 

[Wolfheart07]

All this. E3 and Star Fox could be a real game changer for us... pun intended.

Yeah. When that time comes for E3 for us Starfox fans, it is going to be the moment of truth and that will be the moment where we all see what's store for the series for all of us that we all have waited after 9 long years(almost the same way how the Metroid fans felt when they had to wait 8 years for a new game in the series which led to Metroid Prime(released in 2002 after Super Metroid).

As for your answer on the quote there, yeah it came out there by accident which I don't know why.

To answer XStarWarriorX there, those who flame on us Krystal fans of saying like "Oh she can't be in the game because she's a furry" or "We don't need anymore SF reps", it's best to ignore them. Those people are nothing more than trolls. Believe me, I've seen it and it is sad at times. But at the same time as I said before, they fall in the minority which is very small.

 

[TheDarkKnightNoivern]

My idea for a Star Fox game, is simple, it's story based, the game explains some of the back story for the franchise, such as what happened to James, Star Wolf's formation, how Fox and Falco met, and Krystal's origin story, the gameplay will be similar to Tom Clancy's HAWX or Ace Combat, with shootouts and Krystal using her staff in cutscenes only, there are four stories to complete in the game, the regular campaign with Fox, Falco's story, Krystal's story, and Wolf's story, the stories differ in a few ways, but for the most part, cover the main parts of the game the same way, the origin stories are told through flashbacks and dreams (I E, Krystal having a flash back to her life on Cerinia or having a nightmare about Cerinia's destruction). But there's a catch, you have to beat Fox's story to unlock Falco's, and so on, Completing each story, entitles you to new maps for multiplayer, new costumes, and concept art. About the main story though, Command has been erased from the canon altogether, though Krystal and Fox do break up, the whole reason for their breakup, is to !make, the love interest storyline, much more realistic. Also, the orchestral soundtrack is only for boss battles, and the main title, the game's soundtrack consists of rock (Techno Rock, and regular rock, all instrumental,), Calm, mystical tunes for Krystal, a few reprises of classic Star Fox songs, and metal reprise of the Star Wolf theme, also Fox is depicted as a hybrid of his Adventures and Assault personalities, Krystal is depicted as a calm, kindhearted figure. Another idea is that Fox is revealed to be of Cerinian descent, which further enhances Krystal and Fox's relationship, implying that they are destined to be together

That sounds awesome! The thing about Fox's descent and the backstory of Krystal is really interesting too, It'd be nice too get a bit more backstory on these two, Wolf and Falco too

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

My idea for a Star Fox game, is simple, it's story based, the game explains some of the back story for the franchise, such as what happened to James, Star Wolf's formation, how Fox and Falco met, and Krystal's origin story, the gameplay will be similar to Tom Clancy's HAWX or Ace Combat, with shootouts and Krystal using her staff in cutscenes only, there are four stories to complete in the game, the regular campaign with Fox, Falco's story, Krystal's story, and Wolf's story, the stories differ in a few ways, but for the most part, cover the main parts of the game the same way, the origin stories are told through flashbacks and dreams (I E, Krystal having a flash back to her life on Cerinia or having a nightmare about Cerinia's destruction). But there's a catch, you have to beat Fox's story to unlock Falco's, and so on, Completing each story, entitles you to new maps for multiplayer, new costumes, and concept art. About the main story though, Command has been erased from the canon altogether, though Krystal and Fox do break up, the whole reason for their breakup, is to !make, the love interest storyline, much more realistic. Also, the orchestral soundtrack is only for boss battles, and the main title, the game's soundtrack consists of rock (Techno Rock, and regular rock, all instrumental,), Calm, mystical tunes for Krystal, a few reprises of classic Star Fox songs, and metal reprise of the Star Wolf theme, also Fox is depicted as a hybrid of his Adventures and Assault personalities, Krystal is depicted as a calm, kindhearted figure. Another idea is that Fox is revealed to be of Cerinian descent, which further enhances Krystal and Fox's relationship, implying that they are destined to be together

Oh, so kinda like Sonic Adventure in a sense. Sound like fun.

 

[Foxy Renegade]

Bro, RogersBase is trash. All he does is hate and flame, esp when he comments, dont take him or his dumb fans seriously, theyre more annoying then eitka fans. (Even tho his channel is decent for a laugh). Least they brought up Krystal, more exposure to her, the better. Hopefully the people who watched, did some research instead of blindly following--oh who am i kidding lol.

Edit: After scouring and losing brain cells while reading the comments, i saw no hate, just dumb stuff. Only krystal hate is that obvious troll that repeats it over and over, he got put in his place by someone else though.

Every day that passes i hope more and more that e3 will blow me away with the new starfox, just hope krystal is in it. I still expect 2-3 dlc announcements at e3 and i hope krystal is among them.

It was more the response she got within the video. The comments part is just annoying, but nobody takes comments that seriously. But when you have a video with several views such as that one just groaning about Krystal and that they hate her kind of pissed me off. lol. She's that high on every list for a reason, people need to get the f*** over it. =)

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Interesting Trivia, the only (non-locked) character threads with a higher count than Krystal are K. Rool, Isaac and Bandana Dee. Neat huh?

 

[MagnesD3]

I hope one day they tell us about Krystal's home world and what happened to her people in more detail.

 

[jahkzheng]

It was more the response she got within the video. The comments part is just annoying, but nobody takes comments that seriously. But when you have a video with several views such as that one just groaning about Krystal and that they hate her kind of pissed me off. lol. She's that high on every list for a reason, people need to get the f*** over it. =)

You know, I didn't really find it offensive. I spoke in greater detail about my thoughts on the video in a previous post I assume you saw. They at least admitted that she's got a real shot are the 22:00 minute mark. They might not like her, but they acknowledged she's one of a handful with a legit shot to get in.

Interestingly, after seeing that video I watched another one that was related. It was two different guys assessing the lists I guess. They had pretty different opinions from the guys in the video you linked. They didn't mention Krystal specifically, but they listed her as near the top. The had support for other characters in mind, but there was no indication that they didn't like Krystal. And when, towards the end, the two guys asked each other who they though was most likely, not who they most wanted, one of them named Krystal. She was the second character that came to mind for him.

...

Now, the thing I found online that annoyed me more than groans about Krystal was something I found after this second video when I thought I saw a video that looked like it had Krystal support. I did have Krystal support. The guy said she'd be really unique and argued well for her. But I lost some respect for him unfortunately. He was kind of pushy. He had reasons made up for why other characters shouldn't get votes. Well I tend to agree that Mario and Pokemon don't need more reps, it was his comments about Wolf in particular that annoyed me.

First of all, I'm a huge Krystal supporter, but I also think Wolf has a right to return before Krystal gets in. Heck, he probably has the right to return before Falco. He's a pretty big deal and a well like character. I think we can have them both, I really do. And I think he should already be in development and his odds are good so I've put my support 100% behind Krystal while I'm hopeful for Wolf.

This Krystal supporter disappointed me greatly though when he argued that Wolf was a clone character. It wouldn't be the first time, but at least most people who say this concede that he's a derivative character that at worst is a semi-clone. But no, this guy said, and I'm kind of paraphrasing, "Wolf plays literally exactly the same and Fox and Falco. He has literally the same moves". He wanted his viewers to ignore Wolf because he'd be a wasted character slot. I was really taken aback. His opinion was just so sadly ignorant and I went from happy that I found a Krystal supporter to sad that he's representing us. He really emphasized the "literally" too, making him sound even more ridiculous. I want votes and I like that he's getting word of support out for Krystal, but that opinion was cringe worthy and one I don't want to be associated with. I felt like jumping in the comments and saying, "Wolf is a derivative character admittedly, but he shares very little with Fox or Falco. You can only really make a halfway decent claim that his specials, FS, and bair are 'the same', but if that's what gets called 'the same' in this game, then Kirby shares as many moves with Fox as Wolf does." I'd also toss in that I was a big supporter of Krystal too, but use that quote up there to show that his argument against Wolf was flawed. He has the right to believe Wolf would be a waste, but to say that he played "literally the same" simply isn't true unless you're speaking in the most generalized terms in which all characters play like each other because they're in Smash.

 

[IanTheGamer]

That sounds awesome! The thing about Fox's descent and the backstory of Krystal is really interesting too, It'd be nice too get a bit more backstory on these two, Wolf and Falco too

I wasn't done, more backstory about the original Star Fox team, how Andross became the villian of the series, Fox's mother,and Fox's childhood as well. Cerinian magically appears untouched, when Krystal and Fox are sent to investigate the planet, Krystal returns home, to find that her people need her (she is Cerinian royalty), she and Fox have to make the tough choice that every immigrant has to make, whether to return home, or go back to Corneria, where she emigrated.

 

[MagnesD3]

I wasn't done, more backstory about the original Star Fox team, how Andross became the villian of the series, Fox's mother,and Fox's childhood as well. Cerinian magically appears untouched, when Krystal and Fox are sent to investigate the planet, Krystal returns home, to find that her people need her (she is Cerinian royalty), she and Fox have to make the tough choice that every immigrant has to make, whether to return home, or go back to Corneria, where she emigrated.

I'm pretty sure all of Krystal's people were killed and she went searching for answers if I recall.

 

[jahkzheng]

Interesting Trivia, the only (non-locked) character threads with a higher count than Krystal are K. Rool, Isaac and Bandana Dee. Neat huh?

The Rayman thread has gotten new blood however, and his skyrocketing up to our post numbers. I expect it to pass us by tomorrow unless the chatty people it's had lately suddenly drop off the board for some reason. Lots of short posts and some double posts in the last couple days though. Still, it's a more lively place than this. I expect our thread and all threads to get more chatty after Mewtwo is released, but ours in particular will get chatty any time there's Star Fox Wii U news. When we have time or opportunities to cause a stir for Krystal support we'll also get chattier.

I wasn't done, more backstory about the original Star Fox team, how Andross became the villian of the series, Fox's mother,and Fox's childhood as well. Cerinian magically appears untouched, when Krystal and Fox are sent to investigate the planet, Krystal returns home, to find that her people need her (she is Cerinian royalty), she and Fox have to make the tough choice that every immigrant has to make, whether to return home, or go back to Corneria, where she emigrated.

Is Krystal royalty? I've never heard of this, or maybe I have but I've forgotten. Kinda hope you just made it up because I'd rather it not be true since that trope is way over done already, and just makes her less "relateable".

Could be interesting to learn more about some of this lore as long as it's not forced or a centralized theme. It's generally not wise to build a plot around developing character pasts specifically.

Okay, I have some thoughts on major story telling in a Star Fox game but because I'm prone to ramble I'm spoilering this for the sake of the thread, lol.

Spoiler

I have to admit, I'm afraid of really deep story building for Star Fox. I, of course, want the characters to be developed, but I want it to be natural and not forced. Krystal in particular still needs a chance to develop as a member of the team. Her personality needs to be shown more so we can get a better feel for who she is. Relying on heavy handed dramatic story telling to develop her character feels dangerous. Think Metroid Other M. I'd rather get to know Krystal better without some drama changing who she normally is. That's the thing, to tell a good story, you have to establish a character before you go about changing them too heavily. She still has a lot to tell us and we can learn about her naturally not due to the events of a game but rather through the events of the game. I want Star Fox to give us some more low-concept natural character development before it one-dimensionalizes the characters in high-concept dramatic story telling.

Command made this mistake by forcing an unnecessary subplot on us to try and do something for her character. All Command needed to do was give her a chance to develop naturally, but instead of an explorative radial development that deepened her character, they focused on one aspect of her character and that developed her in a linear way that only served to one-dimensionalize her. It emphasized one aspect of her basically. After Command, if you were asked who Krystal was you'd say, "She is/was Fox's girlfriend and all her actions are related to that fact". Wouldn't it be more interesting if you could say, "She doesn't like rap music but she likes jazz, she has a hard time understanding all the techy stuff Slippy does, she has a pet rock on board the Great Fox, she's way too good at poker and once helped pay for ship repairs in a lawless system by running the tables at a casino." And all this could just be fun character tidbits that you could pick up through conversation during a mission. All it takes is another character to reference something about her that we don't necessarily see. We don't have to create a special cutscene or open up a subplot just to show that Krystal is good at poker for instance, it only needs to be conveniently mentioned in a referential scene. Maybe they're talking about needing more money and another character can mention Krystal's skill and she could just retort that it was a one time thing. Simple as that, and fun. And that's just an example.

Not saying that your story ideas would go the way of Command btw, just to be clear. But you have to take great care not to limit your characters development in other ways just because a plot point is forcing us to encounter one side of them. A game can pull off dramatic story telling and character development as long as there's at least some down time from major story telling and maybe the plot point only occurs a certain way into the story. The benefit of low-concept or non-story related character development is huge. Kid Icarus Uprising is a great example. You think that game would be as enjoyable if the story was the major focus of the game and the characters were simply players in a high-concept drama, only reacting to plot devices? No. People love that game in part because of the superfluous humorous chit chat. A story driven dialogue wouldn't have revealed to us that Pit likes floor ice cream, heh.

I understand that Star Fox generally has a more serious tone than Kid Icarus turned out to have with Uprising, but it's no Final Fantasy either. People genuinely enjoy the back and forth between the Star Fox team when it reveals character. Like Slippy and Falco arguing. We need more of that imo. Adventures gave us a chance to really get some Fox development because it slowed down and allowed Fox to not be constantly stimulated by things trying to shoot him or having to lead a team... and it wasn't story driven. It was moments like when he responds sarcastically to Pepper or jokes with Tricky. These are the character gems in a game.

Also, heavy story building establishes canon that's hard to ignore. It demands chronological references. This makes the games stand less well on their own in general. It also increases the demand for the story points or characters to "move on" in the next game. It's not episodic, but rather more like a saga in a lot of cases, especially when each piece features a major event. This approach worries me too because it can push us away from what we know of Star Fox. I don't want the notion that Star Fox will age and Fox will be replaced by Fox's offspring to be inevitable in a future game. That's just my opinion though and many other people may want big stories that lead to new characters. I personally think there's still so much potential for these current characters and a big story driven game that wants us to believe their parts are over just feels wrong for this series. I thirst for basic natural character development that wont be buried or untouched because of high-concept ideals.

TL;DR - I have a serious textwalling problem. Sorry.

Basically, I want low-concept radial character development rather than high-concept linear character development, and story heavy games tend to push characters around with plot devices rather than letting you see who they really are. A big story can work, but it really has to give the characters a chance. Star Fox should take a cue from Kid Icarus Uprising in terms of character development and not Command. Imo, it ought to be episodic and not like a Final Fantasy saga that demands we close the book on that chapter of the character's lives, e.g., "and they lived happily ever after".

 

[IanTheGamer]

The Rayman thread has gotten new blood however, and his skyrocketing up to our post numbers. I expect it to pass us by tomorrow unless the chatty people it's had lately suddenly drop off the board for some reason. Lots of short posts and some double posts in the last couple days though. Still, it's a more lively place than this. I expect our thread and all threads to get more chatty after Mewtwo is released, but ours in particular will get chatty any time there's Star Fox Wii U news. When we have time or opportunities to cause a stir for Krystal support we'll also get chattier.



Is Krystal royalty? I've never heard of this, or maybe I have but I've forgotten. Kinda hope you just made it up because I'd rather it not be true since that trope is way over done already, and just makes her less "relateable".

Could be interesting to learn more about some of this lore as long as it's not forced or a centralized theme. It's generally not wise to build a plot around developing character pasts specifically.

Okay, I have some thoughts on major story telling in a Star Fox game but because I'm prone to ramble I'm spoilering this for the sake of the thread, lol.

Spoiler

I have to admit, I'm afraid of really deep story building for Star Fox. I, of course, want the characters to be developed, but I want it to be natural and not forced. Krystal in particular still needs a chance to develop as a member of the team. Her personality needs to be shown more so we can get a better feel for who she is. Relying on heavy handed dramatic story telling to develop her character feels dangerous. Think Metroid Other M. I'd rather get to know Krystal better without some drama changing who she normally is. That's the thing, to tell a good story, you have to establish a character before you go about changing them too heavily. She still has a lot to tell us and we can learn about her naturally not due to the events of a game but rather through the events of the game. I want Star Fox to give us some more low-concept natural character development before it one-dimensionalizes the characters in high-concept dramatic story telling.

Command made this mistake by forcing an unnecessary subplot on us to try and do something for her character. All Command needed to do was give her a chance to develop naturally, but instead of an explorative radial development that deepened her character, they focused on one aspect of her character and that developed her in a linear way that only served to one-dimensionalize her. It emphasized one aspect of her basically. After Command, if you were asked who Krystal was you'd say, "She is/was Fox's girlfriend and all her actions are related to that fact". Wouldn't it be more interesting if you could say, "She doesn't like rap music but she likes jazz, she has a hard time understanding all the techy stuff Slippy does, she has a pet rock on board the Great Fox, she's way too good at poker and once helped pay for ship repairs in a lawless system by running the tables at a casino." And all this could just be fun character tidbits that you could pick up through conversation during a mission. All it takes is another character to reference something about her that we don't necessarily see. We don't have to create a special cutscene or open up a subplot just to show that Krystal is good at poker for instance, it only needs to be conveniently mentioned in a referential scene. Maybe they're talking about needing more money and another character can mention Krystal's skill and she could just retort that it was a one time thing. Simple as that, and fun. And that's just an example.

Not saying that your story ideas would go the way of Command btw, just to be clear. But you have to take great care not to limit your characters development in other ways just because a plot point is forcing us to encounter one side of them. A game can pull off dramatic story telling and character development as long as there's at least some down time from major story telling and maybe the plot point only occurs a certain way into the story. The benefit of low-concept or non-story related character development is huge. Kid Icarus Uprising is a great example. You think that game would be as enjoyable if the story was the major focus of the game and the characters were simply players in a high-concept drama, only reacting to plot devices? No. People love that game in part because of the superfluous humorous chit chat. A story driven dialogue wouldn't have revealed to us that Pit likes floor ice cream, heh.

I understand that Star Fox generally has a more serious tone than Kid Icarus turned out to have with Uprising, but it's no Final Fantasy either. People genuinely enjoy the back and forth between the Star Fox team when it reveals character. Like Slippy and Falco arguing. We need more of that imo. Adventures gave us a chance to really get some Fox development because it slowed down and allowed Fox to not be constantly stimulated by things trying to shoot him or having to lead a team... and it wasn't story driven. It was moments like when he responds sarcastically to Pepper or jokes with Tricky. These are the character gems in a game.

Also, heavy story building establishes canon that's hard to ignore. It demands chronological references. This makes the games stand less well on their own in general. It also increases the demand for the story points or characters to "move on" in the next game. It's not episodic, but rather more like a saga in a lot of cases, especially when each piece features a major event. This approach worries me too because it can push us away from what we know of Star Fox. I don't want the notion that Star Fox will age and Fox will be replaced by Fox's offspring to be inevitable in a future game. That's just my opinion though and many other people may want big stories that lead to new characters. I personally think there's still so much potential for these current characters and a big story driven game that wants us to believe their parts are over just feels wrong for this series. I thirst for basic natural character development that wont be buried or untouched because of high-concept ideals.

TL;DR - I have a serious textwalling problem. Sorry.

Basically, I want low-concept radial character development rather than high-concept linear character development, and story heavy games tend to push characters around with plot devices rather than letting you see who they really are. A big story can work, but it really has to give the characters a chance. Star Fox should take a cue from Kid Icarus Uprising in terms of character development and not Command. Imo, it ought to be episodic and not like a Final Fantasy saga that demands we close the book on that chapter of the character's lives, e.g., "and they lived happily ever after".

Good point, Krystal elects to stay with Fox and elects to fight with Star Fox, promising to visit every now and then

 

[Delzethin]

Good point, Krystal elects to stay with Fox and elects to fight with Star Fox, promising to visit every now and then

That's...not quite what he meant. He meant the series would probably be better served taking a more laid back approach with the story and letting the characters interact naturally with what's going on instead of trying to shoehorn them into some grand scheme.

 

[jahkzheng]

That's...not quite what he meant. He meant the series would probably be better served taking a more laid back approach with the story and letting the characters interact naturally with what's going on instead of trying to shoehorn them into some grand scheme.

Thanks. You said it in far less words than I could likely manage, heh, but still got the main point in there basically.

 

[IanTheGamer]

That's...not quite what he meant. He meant the series would probably be better served taking a more laid back approach with the story and letting the characters interact naturally with what's going on instead of trying to shoehorn them into some grand scheme.

Point taken

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

I fear the idea may be too good to be true. To create depth like that would be a huge undertaking. Star Fox Wii U will likely be relatively simplistic since it's reviving the series and it's in Miyamoto's hands. But the console is powerful and there are expectations for the game. It needs to live up to at least some of it's potential to be successful. A game that's basically just "Star Fox 64 2" may not cut it because it doesn't stretch the game enough. I expect an "Assault 2" at least, which would be okay... but I think we could do better. I know they can do better, but we'll see what fraction of the absolutely massive potential this game has will be realized.

Nice pic btw. I have seen it before.


@[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]

You somehow managed to put your comment in Wolfheart's quote.

Yeah sometimes that happens

 

[jahkzheng]

Point taken

I did my best to articulate my concerns about story building of this kind... it you're willing read my small book up there, heh.

Probably better to refer to it than to try and explain it all again. The "TL;DR" kind of covers it, but the bulk of what I said is less dismissive of your ideas and just explains some basic script writing theory about why high-concept stories put multi-dimensional character development on the backburner.

 

[IanTheGamer]

I did my best to articulate my concerns about story building of this kind... it you're willing read my small book up there, heh.

Probably better to refer to it than to try and explain it all again. The "TL;DR" kind of covers it, but the bulk of what I said is less dismissive of your ideas and just explains some basic script writing theory about why high-concept stories put multi-dimensional character development on the backburner.

Good point, but there's no point in bringing back Andross

 

[jahkzheng]

Good point, but there's no point in bringing back Andross

Agreed. They're a mercenary group and there's got to be lots of different jobs out there to do. Not every single one has to be life changing or personal. It's good enough if it tests them and we learn more about them through their trials. Plot twists can sneak in towards the end or middle. Sounds like Miyamoto is going with an episodic approach anyways. We'll see how it goes. I'd like for each mission to have some congruency of course. I'm expecting "Star Fox Assault 2" with more variation in game path basically, but earlier in this thread I discussed some concepts that could really increase the game's replay value and depth of detail.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

Agreed. They're a mercenary group and there's got to be lots of different jobs out there to do. Not every single one has to be life changing or personal. It's good enough if it tests them and we learn more about them through their trials. Plot twists can sneak in towards the end or middle. Sounds like Miyamoto is going with an episodic approach anyways. We'll see how it goes. I'd like for each mission to have some congruency of course. I'm expecting "Star Fox Assault 2" with more variation in game path basically, but earlier in this thread I discussed some concepts that could really increase the game's replay value and depth of detail.

We need a Star Fox TV show.

 

[jahkzheng]

So guys, the poll I'd been watching a couple days ago has finally had it's first 24 hour period without a new vote. It's seemingly dormant now until the link to it is posted again. I may contact "The Nerdy One" and see if he's interested in spreading it around still. He's either forgotten about it or doesn't care to spread it out any more since if he had linked it somewhere recently, it would still be getting votes. Funnily enough, nearly ever vote that trickled in for the last few days were for Krystal, apparently from late voters finding "Sweeto's" Twitter post. Here's a link to the poll just so you can see where it might just stand for the final tally...

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/10-...BTigeOBOW4jz_c/viewanalytics?usp=form_confirm

Speaking of that "Sweeto" guy, check out Gamexplain's recent video about Smash DLC and their desires...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMeixcVhusw

Someone sure has a ton of likes for their Youtube comment. Go ahead and give him an upvote and drop into that conversation there if you like. I just gave him an upvote but I don't plan on speaking there, although he seems like a really cool guy. Pretty "Sweet" to see that much Krystal discussion in the comments of Gamexplain video. Gamexplain is preeetty popular. And yes, I had to make that terrible pun.

 

[TheLegendaryFoxFire]

So guys, the poll I'd been watching a couple days ago has finally had it's first 24 hour period without a new vote. It's seemingly dormant now until the link to it is posted again. I may contact "The Nerdy One" and see if he's interested in spreading it around still. He's either forgotten about it or doesn't care to spread it out any more since if he had linked it somewhere recently, it would still be getting votes. Funnily enough, nearly ever vote that trickled in for the last few days were for Krystal, apparently from late voters finding "Sweeto's" Twitter post. Here's a link to the poll just so you can see where it might just stand for the final tally...

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/10-...BTigeOBOW4jz_c/viewanalytics?usp=form_confirm

Speaking of that "Sweeto" guy, check out Gamexplain's recent video about Smash DLC and their desires...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMeixcVhusw

Someone sure has a ton of likes for their Youtube comment. Go ahead and give him an upvote and drop into that conversation there if you like. I just gave him an upvote but I don't plan on speaking there, although he seems like a really cool guy. Pretty "Sweet" to see that much Krystal discussion in the comments of Gamexplain video. Gamexplain is preeetty popular. And yes, I had to make that terrible pun.

That terrible pun is totally acceptable since Sweet is just a vivid Krystal support.

 

[Delzethin]

So guys, the poll I'd been watching a couple days ago has finally had it's first 24 hour period without a new vote. It's seemingly dormant now until the link to it is posted again. I may contact "The Nerdy One" and see if he's interested in spreading it around still. He's either forgotten about it or doesn't care to spread it out any more since if he had linked it somewhere recently, it would still be getting votes. Funnily enough, nearly ever vote that trickled in for the last few days were for Krystal, apparently from late voters finding "Sweeto's" Twitter post. Here's a link to the poll just so you can see where it might just stand for the final tally...

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/10-...BTigeOBOW4jz_c/viewanalytics?usp=form_confirm

Well, I guess he wound up skewing the vote. But, the poll was already kinda skewed (*points at Roy in 3rd*), and what it does do is make a statement.

Do they still think Krystal has too little support? No...they're just quiet about it. This is what happens when someone asks them to make their voices heard.

 

[Wolfheart07]

So guys, the poll I'd been watching a couple days ago has finally had it's first 24 hour period without a new vote. It's seemingly dormant now until the link to it is posted again. I may contact "The Nerdy One" and see if he's interested in spreading it around still. He's either forgotten about it or doesn't care to spread it out any more since if he had linked it somewhere recently, it would still be getting votes. Funnily enough, nearly ever vote that trickled in for the last few days were for Krystal, apparently from late voters finding "Sweeto's" Twitter post. Here's a link to the poll just so you can see where it might just stand for the final tally...

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/10-...BTigeOBOW4jz_c/viewanalytics?usp=form_confirm

Speaking of that "Sweeto" guy, check out Gamexplain's recent video about Smash DLC and their desires...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMeixcVhusw

Someone sure has a ton of likes for their Youtube comment. Go ahead and give him an upvote and drop into that conversation there if you like. I just gave him an upvote but I don't plan on speaking there, although he seems like a really cool guy. Pretty "Sweet" to see that much Krystal discussion in the comments of Gamexplain video. Gamexplain is preeetty popular. And yes, I had to make that terrible pun.

Hmm...I saw the link from what you posted there and from the looks of it, Krystal is somehow still in the lead which is good by the way with K. Rool coming in on second. Hopefully we'll get more votes there for her. Let's continue spreading the word on it. As for your response there on the new SF game going for a episodic approach, yes it is true and Miyamoto did talked about it a bit last year. Let's hope that this episodic approach to the game, they elaborate more on it in this new entry. You know, for some reason these 2 games Resident Evil Revelations 1 and 2 has been doing that in some way in a episodic approach. It'd be cool to see that in the new SF game when you begin a new stage, it would say something like "Previously on Starfox(insert title)".. for instance. ^^

 

[IanTheGamer]

Well, I guess he wound up skewing the vote. But, the poll was already kinda skewed (*points at Roy in 3rd*), and what it does do is make a statement.

Do they still think Krystal has too little support? No...they're just quiet about it. This is what happens when someone asks them to make their voices heard.

Roy ain't coming back, he's a clone, he's too obscure, and FE doesn't need 5 reps

 

[Princess Toady]

It is pretty cool to see that when prompted, the Krystal supporters are here to defend the cause of our favorite Vixen.

 

[Captain Hazama]

Roy ain't coming back, he's a clone, he's too obscure, and FE doesn't need 5 reps

That still won't stop people for voting him.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Roy is a clone but as we saw with Dr Mario that may work in his favour. Still I think they're going for new characters.

 

[jahkzheng]

Well, I guess he wound up skewing the vote. But, the poll was already kinda skewed (*points at Roy in 3rd*), and what it does do is make a statement.

Do they still think Krystal has too little support? No...they're just quiet about it. This is what happens when someone asks them to make their voices heard.

Well, I think The Nerdy One took his poll to Reddit first where it didn't get a lot of attention but it did get a number of Roy, Young Link, and Shovel Knight votes, but I could be wrong. It also got a good deal of votes for the more commonly popular characters, but the total number of votes from Reddit was less than around ~60 I think. The thing was, Reddit already had a large poll they were doing so this poll seemed secondary and "less official" to them. Admittedly, this is early enough in the polls life that I'm not certain exactly what happened and I mostly just made assumptions based on what the poll already looked like at the time I first saw it. The Nerdy One knows better.

When he took it to Gamefaqs it got more responses but mostly for more of the usually popular characters. Young Link got hardly anymore votes after leaving Reddit in particular. This is where Rool got into the 60s and at this point had most of his votes. The votes also got hindered because The Nerdy One decided at that point to make the poll google account limited.

Nerdy also referenced it here in Smashboards but only a few people responded at first. Me linking it here probably accounts for a good portion of the Smashboards votes, so compared to the other sites we gave Smashboards perhaps a disproportionate number of Krystal votes. Before I linked the poll here Krystal had 16 votes and was 8th most popular after K.Rool, Roy, Isaac, Wolf, Banjo, Bayonetta, and Ridley. She was tied with Snake as well, if I recall correctly. A few hours after I linked the poll in our thread, we'd pushed Krystal into a tie for 5th most popular with Banjo at 22 votes. Most of the other characters votes hadn't moved much in this time so we closed ground easily. By the morning after the night I first linked it, Krystal had 50 votes and was easily into 2nd most popular. I'm not sure if this was Sweeto's doing yet however since it doesn't appear he Tweeted the poll out until the afternoon of that same day. I assume us here at Smashboards pushed Krystal towards 50 with the help of a few random voters from other places finding the poll.

Once Sweeto's Tweet took hold however, the Krystal votes skyrocketed up into the 140s and in a commanding lead. The day after we got a handful more and every day since until yesterday we were getting one or two more with almost no other character getting a vote unless they were paired with Krystal. That's how we got where we are now.

Hmm...I saw the link from what you posted there and from the looks of it, Krystal is somehow still in the lead which is good by the way with K. Rool coming in on second. Hopefully we'll get more votes there for her. Let's continue spreading the word on it. As for your response there on the new SF game going for a episodic approach, yes it is true and Miyamoto did talked about it a bit last year. Let's hope that this episodic approach to the game, they elaborate more on it in this new entry. You know, for some reason these 2 games Resident Evil Revelations 1 and 2 has been doing that in some way in a episodic approach. It'd be cool to see that in the new SF game when you begin a new stage, it would say something like "Previously on Starfox(insert title)".. for instance. ^^

She's been in the lead since Sweeto's Tweet. I think the last place this poll was linked may have been Sweeto's Tweet and that's why the last big thing to happen to the poll is the flood of Krystal voters. Until it gets linked elsewhere, the poll results don't look to be changing. I'm certain Rool could get his lead back if this was linked in a Rool support Twitter. Most characters would at least close significant ground if this poll was linked in a Twitter for them. I think Krystal's lead in this poll is safe from all but the likes Rool, Isaac, Wolf, maybe Roy if you took it to the right place, Snake maybe, and Banjo maybe. Shantae looks to be a powerhouse in places and I'm certain she could grab a ton of votes if this poll was taken to the right place. This is all assuming you took this poll to a Twitter dedicated to the character's inclusion to see their number rise that way.



EDIT:

Hmm, that poll just got 4 new votes all of a sudden. Two for Rool and I haven't checked where else, but Krystal's still where she was. Did someone link this just now? Maybe Nerdy just revived it by linking it somewhere else.

 

[IanTheGamer]

Well, I think The Nerdy One took his poll to Reddit first where it didn't get a lot of attention but it did get a number of Roy, Young Link, and Shovel Knight votes, but I could be wrong. It also got a good deal of votes for the more commonly popular characters, but the total number of votes from Reddit was less than around ~60 I think. The thing was, Reddit already had a large poll they were doing so this poll seemed secondary and "less official" to them. Admittedly, this is early enough in the polls life that I'm not certain exactly what happened and I mostly just made assumptions based on what the poll already looked like at the time I first saw it. The Nerdy One knows better.

When he took it to Gamefaqs it got more responses but mostly for more of the usually popular characters. Young Link got hardly anymore votes after leaving Reddit in particular. This is where Rool got into the 60s and at this point had most of his votes. The votes also got hindered because The Nerdy One decided at that point to make the poll google account limited.

Nerdy also referenced it here in Smashboards but only a few people responded at first. Me linking it here probably accounts for a good portion of the Smashboards votes, so compared to the other sites we gave Smashboards perhaps a disproportionate number of Krystal votes. Before I linked the poll here Krystal had 16 votes and was 8th most popular after K.Rool, Roy, Isaac, Wolf, Banjo, Bayonetta, and Ridley. She was tied with Snake as well, if I recall correctly. A few hours after I linked the poll in our thread, we'd pushed Krystal into a tie for 5th most popular with Banjo at 22 votes. Most of the other characters votes hadn't moved much in this time so we closed ground easily. By the morning after the night I first linked it, Krystal had 50 votes and was easily into 2nd most popular. I'm not sure if this was Sweeto's doing yet however since it doesn't appear he Tweeted the poll out until the afternoon of that same day. I assume us here at Smashboards pushed Krystal towards 50 with the help of a few random voters from other places finding the poll.

Once Sweeto's Tweet took hold however, the Krystal votes skyrocketed up into the 140s and in a commanding lead. The day after we got a handful more and every day since until yesterday we were getting one or two more with almost no other character getting a vote unless they were paired with Krystal. That's how we got where we are now.



She's been in the lead since Sweeto's Tweet. I think the last place this poll was linked may have been Sweeto's Tweet and that's why the last big thing to happen to the poll is the flood of Krystal voters. Until it gets linked elsewhere, the poll results don't look to be changing. I'm certain Rool could get his lead back if this was linked in a Rool support Twitter. Most characters would at least close significant ground if this poll was linked in a Twitter for them. I think Krystal's lead in this poll is safe from all but the likes Rool, Isaac, Wolf, maybe Roy if you took it to the right place, Snake maybe, and Banjo maybe. Shantae looks to be a powerhouse in places and I'm certain she could grab a ton of votes if this poll was taken to the right place. This is all assuming you took this poll to a Twitter dedicated to the character's inclusion to see their number rise that way.



EDIT:

Hmm, that poll just got 4 new votes all of a sudden. Two for Rool and I haven't checked where else, but Krystal's still where she was. Did someone link this just now? Maybe Nerdy just revived it by linking it somewhere else.

Which this really benefits her in the Ballot, and also link this thread in Miiverse, if you can

 

[jahkzheng]

Which this really benefits her in the Ballot, and also link this thread in Miiverse, if you can

Oh dear, do I really want to?

This is Nerdy's responsibility, so I'll let him propagate it or maybe I'll ask him if he'd be okay with me doing it for him. I think it's more important to first let the rest of Smashboards here have a look at it. Link it in all the DLC character threads or something.

I'm not super into following this right now though as I have a lot of other actual work to tackle. It's bad enough that I'm hanging around posting in here right now, heh.

...

Oh, and I'm just going to repeat...

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/10-...BTigeOBOW4jz_c/viewanalytics?usp=form_confirm

This poll that I was just saying was seemingly dead yesterday, apparently got 4 more votes just in the last couple hours all of a sudden. It's still kicking. Not sure if Nerdy relinked it or if one of you guys did somewhere else. Rool, got two votes from the 4 additional voters and Krystal is still where she was last night at 161 votes.

 

[IanTheGamer]

Oh dear, do I really want to?

This is Nerdy's responsibility, so I'll let him propagate it or maybe I'll ask him if he'd be okay with me doing it for him. I think it's more important to first let the rest of Smashboards here have a look at it. Link it in all the DLC character threads or something.

I'm not super into following this right now though as I have a lot of other actual work to tackle. It's bad enough that I'm hanging around posting in here right now, heh.

...

Oh, and I'm just going to repeat...

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/10-...BTigeOBOW4jz_c/viewanalytics?usp=form_confirm

This poll that I was just saying was seemingly dead yesterday, apparently got 4 more votes just in the last couple hours all of a sudden. It's still kicking. Not sure if Nerdy relinked it or if one of you guys did somewhere else. Rool, got two votes from the 4 additional voters and Krystal is still where she was last night at 161 votes.

I saw it, of course there would be idiots asking for Goku or Shrek

 

[jahkzheng]

I saw it, of course there would be idiots asking for Goku or Shrek

I was linking it again and mentioning that poll for all to see of course. Just happened to have been after a reply to you.

Yeah, it's not fair for those kinds of character to have more votes than any video game character pretty much. Just about any original video game character out there has more of a right to inclusion than those two.

 

[IanTheGamer]

I was linking it again and mentioning that poll for all to see of course. Just happened to have been after a reply to you.

Yeah, it's not fair for those kinds of character to have more votes than any video game character pretty much. Just about any original video game character out there has more of a right to inclusion than those two.

Even The Great Mighty Poo has a better shot of being playable in Smash, Hell even the Gamecube logo has a better shot

 

[XStarWarriorX]

Hmm, mewtwo has no customs, which will probably affect all dlc characters, making vets more bland imo.

So this would mean krystal for sure would get her staff.

Also with that reddit leak going around, if roy and ryu are true, It may seem that vets like wolf and roy will be added in and were probably chosen before the ballot, idk the desl about ryu tho. But if this is true, krystals chances increase with wolf out of the way and the ballot still in place.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Hmm, mewtwo has no customs, which will probably affect all dlc characters, making vets more bland imo.

So this would mean krystal for sure would get her staff.

Also with that reddit leak going around, if roy and ryu are true, It may seem that vets like wolf and roy will be added in and were probably chosen before the ballot, idk the desl about ryu tho. But if this is true, krystals chances increase with wolf out of the way and the ballot still in place.

What Reddit leak? Show me teh sauce.

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

What Reddit leak? Show me the sauce.

Here you go!
http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/32nymz/smash_update_106_decrypted_first_observations/