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Pretty in pink or true in blue, Krystal for Sm4sh!

ihskeyp

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I feel like this reddit thread has more than enough to disprove this "leak"
http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/2e1rpo/psa_the_leak_is_fake_proof_inside/
I mean just look at this

There's no way in hell that's a coincidence

I can't believe that even after gematsu people are still trusting leaks
I KNEW his face looked off. They literally thinned his chin and lightened his skin tone. That's it. Why do people believe this leak again? The renders look nice (even then, Ganon and Wario look awful), but there is soooo much against it at this point.
Krystal still has a chance!
 
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All right guys, enough with the leak talk, we're gonna get infractions if we continue.

Lets just wait a few days for the outcome...thats all I ask.
 

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To answer an earlier query, we don't know if we'll get DLC, nor how we'd go about modding post-release character speculation.

I wouldn't get my hopes up, personally, but if something is worked out/the DLC support threads become a thing, I'll definitely look into getting one sanctioned for Krystal.
 

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To answer an earlier query, we don't know if we'll get DLC, nor how we'd go about modding post-release character speculation.

I wouldn't get my hopes up, personally, but if something is worked out/the DLC support threads become a thing, I'll definitely look into getting one sanctioned for Krystal.
Thanks! I'll definitely take your word on it.
 

TheRandomCities4

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Wait a minute...



I feel another theory coming on! This one is significant---not only for Krystal, either. In fact, with this theory we will effectively have a 3-4 month buffer for further speculation even after the 3DS version releases---because it has a possibility which cannot be denied. It's actually more possible than the idea of another playtester withholding their information...

Thematically, this theory is business-influenced. Keep this in mind.

Even if this new leak is true...

Hear me out; there is still hope yet!



All of these recent leaks---and all of this recent information (including Ken's knowledge and the info I came across)---pertain solely to the 3DS version, correct? This makes sense, as the 3DS version is releasing first, and soon. However, we're assuming that the 3DS information---character-wise, especially---is intrinsically bound with the Wii U version. This is because we were only ever accustomed to one game releasing at a time---not 2.

Hence, what if there are different unlockable characters for each version?

Now wait, I know what you might say: "but Sakurai said both versions will have the same roster!"

Allow me to harken back to an older theory I came up with---specifically, something I said within it. This was the theory regarding the dual reveal with Krystal and Ridley. I mentioned, under the conditions that presented themselves at the time, that Retro Studios could have denied working on the Star Fox/Metroid crossover videogame. However, they still would have been truthfully denying that rumor if they were working on a Smash Brothers newcomer cutscene, because it wouldn't be a videogame. Now, I don't believe that theory will happen, but let's get back to the theory at hand.

The same thing can apply here. Allow me to explain:

Back in the April Smash Direct, Sakurai mentioned that "both versions will have the same roster." This was to be expected. However, he said something else that has only just now piqued my curiosity (beware, I'm paraphrasing here---but I'm 100% confident he said something in the exact context).

Sakurai: There will be cross-platform features between the 3DS and the Wii U. I will go into detail about these later.

Thing is, he has yet to explain these cross-platform features between both versions of Sm4sh. This could be considered obvious, since the nature of the Wii U version is currently unknown---in almost its entirety. They don't want the Wii U version's content to be known because they're currently pushing to sell the 3DS version. This is something we've previously established. This is obvious enough through their marketing, and their modality in releasing information (all of the game modes, among other things).

Point in case, what if one of the cross-platform features allow you to transfer version-designated unlockable characters between the 3DS and Wii U?

If this were the case, certain unlockable characters could be initially unlocked on one version---only to be transferred to the other version in quasi-DLC likeness. This would effectively allow both versions to have the same roster.

Thus, Sakurai wouldn't be lying or going back upon his word.

Yes, this sounds kind of like an evil business move by Nintendo---but it wouldn't be any more evil than reserving these characters for the DLC (like I said in an older theory, but now I don't think that's the case).

Again, I'll say it: Nintendo is a business. Not only do they have to think about our interests, but theirs as well.

Speaking of DLC, if the characters from the leak as DLC are what we get, this theory could still work. The DLC could be reserved for characters they didn't have enough developmental time to include in the initial roster---which is also why having veterans as the bulk of the DLC makes sense. If this is the case, I don't think these characters will cost anything (don't take my word on that specifically, though). These DLC characters could be revealed between the release of both versions---starting after the 3DS version's release and leading up to the Wii U one.

Now let's shift gears for a second and re-examine the franchises and their representations in this leak.

Hmm... Notice anything odd?

All of these franchises are receiving newcomers except for The Legend of Zelda, Kirby, Donkey Kong, Star Fox, and Metroid.

Actually, that's not what I found odd. This is:
Mario is receiving two unique newcomers.

Well, that fact alone isn't what makes it odd.

It's when you combine that fact with those other 5 franchises not receiving anything. That is the oddity---an oddity that can be explained with this theory!

Before I further pursue that route, I feel I need to briefly remind everyone of all the teases Sakurai has made. Think back to all of his teases---including the ones that were never specifically denoted one way or the other. What I'm trying to say here is that Sakurai is a troll---but he's also more than that. He's aware of us and our interests.

I also feel I need to remind everyone that every single franchise received a newcomer in Brawl. All of them. Heck, we even added a new franchise---Kid Icarus! Not only that, but Brawl had a singular team, and they had to work on the massive Subspace Emissary. Their team in general was smaller, too.

Smash 4 has multiple teams, composed of multiple developer groups, like Team Sora and Namco Bandai. Brawl didn't have that.

Let's shift gears again and examine the marketing for Smash 4. Smash, outside of being its own game, is about raising awareness for franchises, not characters per se. Keep this in mind as you read the following question:

Have you noticed a particular theme in Sm4sh's marketing? Well...

Does East vs. West ring a bell? It certainly should...


Look back to E3 2014. Do you remember that hilariously epic opener with Smash? If you do (which you should)...

Who was fighting in the cutscene?

Correct. It was Reggie and Iwata.

Do you know the title of their official positions?

Again, correct. Reggie is the President of Nintendo of America. Iwata is the President of Nintendo of Japan. East vs. West strikes again.

Let's look at this a different way. Look at the colors chosen for both Sm4sh versions. The 3DS is red, and the Wii U is blue.

Why do you think they chose these colors?

There was no real need. Was it a design choice? Or is it something on a much deeper value...? Perhaps these colors are meant to represent the East and West respectively. You should understand that these respective colors are more associated with their respective side, especially on a cultural level. You should also know that Japan adheres to culture strenuously. Using such representation over their marketing for Sm4sh isn't at all far-fetched.

Now remember back to when I said Smash is used to raise awareness for franchises. Look back at the newcomers revealed so far before the 3DS release. Look to the ones that are included in the leak---specifically Shulk and Chorus Men. Notice anything?

Firstly, no one can officially say that these characters were wanted more in the East or the West.

However, when we look at the newcomers from the perspective of franchises, things begin to clarify.

Pokemon, Mario, Kid Icarus, Fire Emblem, and Xenoblade have a heavier influence over the East than the other franchises that have yet to receive newcomers. All of these franchises (and supposedly Xenoblade) are receiving newcomers, while it seems the others aren't.

Note how I didn't say that these franchises were more requested by the East to have newcomers. Why? Requests don't matter.

Well, they do, in part. But not full.

It's about influence.

So, why is this whole East vs. West theme so important?

Easy. Can you see where I'm going?

Donkey Kong, Metroid, The Legend of Zelda, and Star Fox all have a heavier influence in the West than the East.

Theory in point:

What if newcomers from these franchises are held to be the Wii U version-designated unlockables?

Interesting...

What about Little Mac, though?

Good question. Fortunately, I have a theoretical rebuttal:

Little Mac was just a "taste" of what's to come, without spoiling the surprise.

It adds up so well. As a bonus, it makes too much sense business-wise...

And now, ladies and gentlemen, the pièce de résistance...


What major factor drives the sales for Smash?

Correct. Characters. Why is this important? Simple.

Look carefully at the gap between the sales dates of the 3DS and Wii U versions.

Why would the Wii U version have the exact same roster as the 3DS version---especially if it releases 3-4 months afterwards?

Bringing the theory into full circle, it highlights a business perspective: this would be horrible marketing. Sure, Nintendo is known for their strange marketing, but considering the TLC they've done with the East vs. West theme, this time looks to be different.

Anyways, the Wii U version wouldn't have enough incentive to match the sales of the 3DS version if it didn't have these version-designated unlockables. There are many more 3DS consoles out there than there are Wii U consoles. The Wii U version needs something spectacular to stand out as opposed to the 3DS version---and game modes alone won't cut it. I can guarantee that.

Final question:

What is Nintendo's goal for Sm4sh, marketing wise?

Simple. They want to execute plans that would accrue the most sales for all of their Sm4sh peripherals.

We're still alive, guys!



Phew! That was a long one.

I guess that means I'm back...

Back, to stay. :)

Still, if this theory comes out to be true, my reaction will be similar to this:


inb4 court case against Krystal

PS: If you haven't noticed, all of these 3DS leaks, if true, can easily serve to strengthen this theory. These leaks seem to be only a part of the bigger puzzle---the Sm4sh puzzle. The Wii-U designated unlockables would serve to finish the puzzle rather nicely!

So sit back, and relax until all is really said and done---at least until after we know everything about Sm4sh, including the Wii U version.

Interestingly enough, I can't believe it took me this long to come to this conclusion. It's like it required a combination of all my past theories, ironically enough. If this is true, Sakurai is more clever than we thought.

Not to mention it would be the biggest troll move ever:

"Oh that was the full roster... Nah, I'm just kidding. All these other characters are included on the Wii U version, but you guys won't know until much later. I want you guys to squirm for as long as possible:troll:" --Masahiro Sakurai, 2014
 
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ImOnlyHereToTalkStarFox

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The executioner seconds this.
Wait a minute...



I feel another theory coming on! This one is significant---not only for Krystal, either. In fact, with this theory we will effectively have a 3-4 month buffer for further speculation even after the 3DS version releases---because it has a possibility which cannot be denied. It's actually more possible than the idea of another playtester withholding their information...

Thematically, this theory is business-influenced. Keep this in mind.

Even if this new leak is true...

Hear me out; there is still hope yet!



All of these recent leaks---and all of this recent information (including Ken's knowledge and the info I came across)---pertain solely to the 3DS version, correct? This makes sense, as the 3DS version is releasing first, and soon. However, we're assuming that the 3DS information---character-wise, especially---is intrinsically bound with the Wii U version. This is because we were only ever accustomed to one game releasing at a time---not 2.

Hence, what if there are different unlockable characters for each version?

Now wait, I know what you might say: "but Sakurai said both versions will have the same roster!"

Allow me to harken back to an older theory I came up with---specifically, something I said within it. This was the theory regarding the dual reveal with Krystal and Ridley. I mentioned, under the conditions that presented themselves at the time, that Retro Studios could have denied working on the Star Fox/Metroid crossover videogame. However, they still would have been truthfully denying that rumor if they were working on a Smash Brothers newcomer cutscene, because it wouldn't be a videogame. Now, I don't believe that theory will happen, but let's get back to the theory at hand.

The same thing can apply here. Allow me to explain:

Back in the April Smash Direct, Sakurai mentioned that "both versions will have the same roster." This was to be expected. However, he said something else that has only just now piqued my curiosity (beware, I'm paraphrasing here---but I'm 100% confident he said something in the exact context).

Sakurai: There will be cross-platform features between the 3DS and the Wii U. I will go into detail about these later.

Thing is, he has yet to explain these cross-platform features between both versions of Sm4sh. This could be considered obvious, since the nature of the Wii U version is currently unknown---in almost its entirety. They don't want the Wii U version's content to be known because they're currently pushing to sell the 3DS version. This is something we've previously established. This is obvious enough through their marketing, and their modality in releasing information (all of the game modes, among other things).

Point in case, what if one of the cross-platform features allow you to transfer version-designated unlockable characters between the 3DS and Wii U?

If this were the case, certain unlockable characters could be initially unlocked on one version---only to be transferred to the other version in quasi-DLC likeness. This would effectively allow both versions to have the same roster.

Thus, Sakurai wouldn't be lying or going back upon his word.

Yes, this sounds kind of like an evil business move by Nintendo---but it wouldn't be any more evil than reserving these characters for the DLC (like I said in an older theory, but now I don't think that's the case).

Again, I'll say it: Nintendo is a business. Not only do they have to think about our interests, but theirs as well.

Speaking of DLC, if the characters from the leak as DLC are what we get, this theory could still work. The DLC could be reserved for characters they didn't have enough developmental time to include in the initial roster---which is also why having veterans as the bulk of the DLC makes sense. If this is the case, I don't think these characters will cost anything (don't take my word on that specifically, though). These DLC characters could be revealed between the release of both versions---starting after the 3DS version's release and leading up to the Wii U one.

Now let's shift gears for a second and re-examine the franchises and their representations in this leak.

Hmm... Notice anything odd?

All of these franchises are receiving newcomers except for The Legend of Zelda, Kirby, Donkey Kong, Star Fox, and Metroid.

Actually, that's not what I found odd. This is:
Mario is receiving two unique newcomers.

Well, that fact alone isn't what makes it odd.

It's when you combine that fact with those other 5 franchises not receiving anything. That is the oddity---an oddity that can be explained with this theory!

Before I further pursue that route, I feel I need to briefly remind everyone of all the teases Sakurai has made. Think back to all of his teases---including the ones that were never specifically denoted one way or the other. What I'm trying to say here is that Sakurai is a troll---but he's also more than that. He's aware of us and our interests.

I also feel I need to remind everyone that every single franchise received a newcomer in Brawl. All of them. Heck, we even added a new franchise---Kid Icarus! Not only that, but Brawl had a singular team, and they had to work on the massive Subspace Emissary. Their team in general was smaller, too.

Smash 4 has multiple teams, composed of multiple developer groups, like Team Sora and Namco Bandai. Brawl didn't have that.

Let's shift gears again and examine the marketing for Smash 4. Smash, outside of being its own game, is about raising awareness for franchises, not characters per se. Keep this in mind as you read the following question:

Have you noticed a particular theme in Sm4sh's marketing? Well...

Does East vs. West ring a bell? It certainly should...


Look back to E3 2014. Do you remember that hilariously epic opener with Smash? If you do (which you should)...

Who was fighting in the cutscene?

Correct. It was Reggie and Iwata.

Do you know the title of their official positions?

Again, correct. Reggie is the President of Nintendo of America. Iwata is the President of Nintendo of Japan. East vs. West strikes again.

Let's look at this a different way. Look at the colors chosen for both Sm4sh versions. The 3DS is red, and the Wii U is blue.

Why do you think they chose these colors?

There was no real need. Was it a design choice? Or is it something on a much deeper value...? Perhaps these colors are meant to represent the East and West respectively. You should understand that these respective colors are more associated with their respective side, especially on a cultural level. You should also know that Japan adheres to culture strenuously. Using such representation over their marketing for Sm4sh isn't at all far-fetched.

Now remember back to when I said Smash is used to raise awareness for franchises. Look back at the newcomers revealed so far before the 3DS release. Look to the ones that are included in the leak---specifically Shulk and Chorus Men. Notice anything?

Firstly, no one can officially say that these characters were wanted more in the East or the West.

However, when we look at the newcomers from the perspective of franchises, things begin to clarify.

Pokemon, Mario, Kid Icarus, Fire Emblem, and Xenoblade have a heavier influence over the East than the other franchises that have yet to receive newcomers. All of these franchises (and supposedly Xenoblade) are receiving newcomers, while it seems the others aren't.

Note how I didn't say that these franchises were more requested by the East to have newcomers. Why? Requests don't matter.

Well, they do, in part. But not full.

It's about influence.

So, why is this whole East vs. West theme so important?

Easy. Can you see where I'm going?

Donkey Kong, Metroid, The Legend of Zelda, and Star Fox all have a heavier influence in the West than the East.

Theory in point:

What if newcomers from these franchises are held to be the Wii U version-designated unlockables?

Interesting...

What about Little Mac, though?

Good question. Fortunately, I have a theoretical rebuttal:

Little Mac was just a "taste" of what's to come, without spoiling the surprise.

It adds up so well. As a bonus, it makes too much sense business-wise...

And now, ladies and gentlemen, the pièce de résistance...


What major factor drives the sales for Smash?

Correct. Characters. Why is this important? Simple.

Look carefully at the gap between the sales dates of the 3DS and Wii U versions.

Why would the Wii U version have the exact same roster as the 3DS version---especially if it releases 3-4 months afterwards?

Bringing the theory into full circle, it highlights a business perspective: this would be horrible marketing. Sure, Nintendo is known for their strange marketing, but considering the TLC they've done with the East vs. West theme, this time looks to be different.

Anyways, the Wii U version wouldn't have enough incentive to match the sales of the 3DS version if it didn't have these version-designated unlockables. There are many more 3DS consoles out there than there are Wii U consoles. The Wii U version needs something spectacular to stand out as opposed to the 3DS version---and game modes alone won't cut it. I can guarantee that.

Final question:

What is Nintendo's goal for Sm4sh, marketing wise?

Simple. They want to execute plans that would accrue the most sales for all of their Sm4sh peripherals.

We're still alive, guys!



Phew! That was a long one.

I guess that means I'm back...

Back, to stay. :)

Still, if this theory comes out to be true, my reaction will be similar to this:


PS: If you haven't noticed, all of these 3DS leaks, if true, can easily serve to strengthen this theory. These leaks seem to be only a part of the bigger puzzle---the Sm4sh puzzle.

So sit back, and relax until all is really said and done---after we know everything about Sm4sh, including the Wii U version.

Interestingly enough, I can't believe it took me this long to come to this conclusion. It's like it required a combination of all my past theories, ironically enough. If this is true, Sakurai is more clever than we thought.

Not to mention it would be the biggest troll move ever:

"Oh that was the full roster... Nah, I'm just kidding. All these other characters are included on the Wii U version, but you guys won't know until much later. I want you guys to squirm for as long as possible:troll:" --Masahiro Sakurai, 2014
Wow dude. Nice to have you back. A lot to take in, but I believe this outcome would make everyone happy.
The music was too perfect.
 
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TheRandomCities4

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Wow dude. Nice to have you back. A lot to take in, but I believe this outcome would make everyone happy.
The music was too perfect.
I guess, sometimes, having a down can lead to something inspirational.

Funnily enough, this theory creeped into my mind during work.

Not only can it make many people happy, but the fact that it's just possible blows my mind...
 
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Well, the DLC part of the leak was confirmed to be fake. So there is still hope for those characters as DLC or secret even.
And now, some "meh" Krystal fanart that I did last week to lift up some spirits. I couldn't find how to finish it so now it looks like "Paper Krystal".
 

~Krystal~

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I don't know if I can stick around past 3DS launch. My body definitely isn't Reggie for more of this inane circus. Just so tired of all the leaks and the terrible absolutist attitudes spawning from them. It was nice speculating with you bright minds. I don't think I've ever encountered a more intelligent group of Krystal fans. Whatever happens, it was a pleasure seeing this through to the end with you.
 

chipz

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If this happens, I hope they make her head smaller
the original model is really creepy to me

which starfox are the smash models closest to? (never played anything post lylat wars)
 

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@ TheRandomCities4 TheRandomCities4 Your post was quite intriguing I gotta say. Maybe you could post this to the leak thread? I dunno, I just wanna help out everyone that's freaking out over their "mains being gone and certain newcomers not making the cut".
 

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Wait a minute...



I feel another theory coming on! This one is significant---not only for Krystal, either. In fact, with this theory we will effectively have a 3-4 month buffer for further speculation even after the 3DS version releases---because it has a possibility which cannot be denied. It's actually more possible than the idea of another playtester withholding their information...

Thematically, this theory is business-influenced. Keep this in mind.

Even if this new leak is true...

Hear me out; there is still hope yet!



All of these recent leaks---and all of this recent information (including Ken's knowledge and the info I came across)---pertain solely to the 3DS version, correct? This makes sense, as the 3DS version is releasing first, and soon. However, we're assuming that the 3DS information---character-wise, especially---is intrinsically bound with the Wii U version. This is because we were only ever accustomed to one game releasing at a time---not 2.

Hence, what if there are different unlockable characters for each version?

Now wait, I know what you might say: "but Sakurai said both versions will have the same roster!"

Allow me to harken back to an older theory I came up with---specifically, something I said within it. This was the theory regarding the dual reveal with Krystal and Ridley. I mentioned, under the conditions that presented themselves at the time, that Retro Studios could have denied working on the Star Fox/Metroid crossover videogame. However, they still would have been truthfully denying that rumor if they were working on a Smash Brothers newcomer cutscene, because it wouldn't be a videogame. Now, I don't believe that theory will happen, but let's get back to the theory at hand.

The same thing can apply here. Allow me to explain:

Back in the April Smash Direct, Sakurai mentioned that "both versions will have the same roster." This was to be expected. However, he said something else that has only just now piqued my curiosity (beware, I'm paraphrasing here---but I'm 100% confident he said something in the exact context).

Sakurai: There will be cross-platform features between the 3DS and the Wii U. I will go into detail about these later.

Thing is, he has yet to explain these cross-platform features between both versions of Sm4sh. This could be considered obvious, since the nature of the Wii U version is currently unknown---in almost its entirety. They don't want the Wii U version's content to be known because they're currently pushing to sell the 3DS version. This is something we've previously established. This is obvious enough through their marketing, and their modality in releasing information (all of the game modes, among other things).

Point in case, what if one of the cross-platform features allow you to transfer version-designated unlockable characters between the 3DS and Wii U?

If this were the case, certain unlockable characters could be initially unlocked on one version---only to be transferred to the other version in quasi-DLC likeness. This would effectively allow both versions to have the same roster.

Thus, Sakurai wouldn't be lying or going back upon his word.

Yes, this sounds kind of like an evil business move by Nintendo---but it wouldn't be any more evil than reserving these characters for the DLC (like I said in an older theory, but now I don't think that's the case).

Again, I'll say it: Nintendo is a business. Not only do they have to think about our interests, but theirs as well.

Speaking of DLC, if the characters from the leak as DLC are what we get, this theory could still work. The DLC could be reserved for characters they didn't have enough developmental time to include in the initial roster---which is also why having veterans as the bulk of the DLC makes sense. If this is the case, I don't think these characters will cost anything (don't take my word on that specifically, though). These DLC characters could be revealed between the release of both versions---starting after the 3DS version's release and leading up to the Wii U one.

Now let's shift gears for a second and re-examine the franchises and their representations in this leak.

Hmm... Notice anything odd?

All of these franchises are receiving newcomers except for The Legend of Zelda, Kirby, Donkey Kong, Star Fox, and Metroid.

Actually, that's not what I found odd. This is:
Mario is receiving two unique newcomers.

Well, that fact alone isn't what makes it odd.

It's when you combine that fact with those other 5 franchises not receiving anything. That is the oddity---an oddity that can be explained with this theory!

Before I further pursue that route, I feel I need to briefly remind everyone of all the teases Sakurai has made. Think back to all of his teases---including the ones that were never specifically denoted one way or the other. What I'm trying to say here is that Sakurai is a troll---but he's also more than that. He's aware of us and our interests.

I also feel I need to remind everyone that every single franchise received a newcomer in Brawl. All of them. Heck, we even added a new franchise---Kid Icarus! Not only that, but Brawl had a singular team, and they had to work on the massive Subspace Emissary. Their team in general was smaller, too.

Smash 4 has multiple teams, composed of multiple developer groups, like Team Sora and Namco Bandai. Brawl didn't have that.

Let's shift gears again and examine the marketing for Smash 4. Smash, outside of being its own game, is about raising awareness for franchises, not characters per se. Keep this in mind as you read the following question:

Have you noticed a particular theme in Sm4sh's marketing? Well...

Does East vs. West ring a bell? It certainly should...


Look back to E3 2014. Do you remember that hilariously epic opener with Smash? If you do (which you should)...

Who was fighting in the cutscene?

Correct. It was Reggie and Iwata.

Do you know the title of their official positions?

Again, correct. Reggie is the President of Nintendo of America. Iwata is the President of Nintendo of Japan. East vs. West strikes again.

Let's look at this a different way. Look at the colors chosen for both Sm4sh versions. The 3DS is red, and the Wii U is blue.

Why do you think they chose these colors?

There was no real need. Was it a design choice? Or is it something on a much deeper value...? Perhaps these colors are meant to represent the East and West respectively. You should understand that these respective colors are more associated with their respective side, especially on a cultural level. You should also know that Japan adheres to culture strenuously. Using such representation over their marketing for Sm4sh isn't at all far-fetched.

Now remember back to when I said Smash is used to raise awareness for franchises. Look back at the newcomers revealed so far before the 3DS release. Look to the ones that are included in the leak---specifically Shulk and Chorus Men. Notice anything?

Firstly, no one can officially say that these characters were wanted more in the East or the West.

However, when we look at the newcomers from the perspective of franchises, things begin to clarify.

Pokemon, Mario, Kid Icarus, Fire Emblem, and Xenoblade have a heavier influence over the East than the other franchises that have yet to receive newcomers. All of these franchises (and supposedly Xenoblade) are receiving newcomers, while it seems the others aren't.

Note how I didn't say that these franchises were more requested by the East to have newcomers. Why? Requests don't matter.

Well, they do, in part. But not full.

It's about influence.

So, why is this whole East vs. West theme so important?

Easy. Can you see where I'm going?

Donkey Kong, Metroid, The Legend of Zelda, and Star Fox all have a heavier influence in the West than the East.

Theory in point:

What if newcomers from these franchises are held to be the Wii U version-designated unlockables?

Interesting...

What about Little Mac, though?

Good question. Fortunately, I have a theoretical rebuttal:

Little Mac was just a "taste" of what's to come, without spoiling the surprise.

It adds up so well. As a bonus, it makes too much sense business-wise...

And now, ladies and gentlemen, the pièce de résistance...


What major factor drives the sales for Smash?

Correct. Characters. Why is this important? Simple.

Look carefully at the gap between the sales dates of the 3DS and Wii U versions.

Why would the Wii U version have the exact same roster as the 3DS version---especially if it releases 3-4 months afterwards?

Bringing the theory into full circle, it highlights a business perspective: this would be horrible marketing. Sure, Nintendo is known for their strange marketing, but considering the TLC they've done with the East vs. West theme, this time looks to be different.

Anyways, the Wii U version wouldn't have enough incentive to match the sales of the 3DS version if it didn't have these version-designated unlockables. There are many more 3DS consoles out there than there are Wii U consoles. The Wii U version needs something spectacular to stand out as opposed to the 3DS version---and game modes alone won't cut it. I can guarantee that.

Final question:

What is Nintendo's goal for Sm4sh, marketing wise?

Simple. They want to execute plans that would accrue the most sales for all of their Sm4sh peripherals.

We're still alive, guys!



Phew! That was a long one.

I guess that means I'm back...

Back, to stay. :)

Still, if this theory comes out to be true, my reaction will be similar to this:


inb4 court case against Krystal

PS: If you haven't noticed, all of these 3DS leaks, if true, can easily serve to strengthen this theory. These leaks seem to be only a part of the bigger puzzle---the Sm4sh puzzle.

So sit back, and relax until all is really said and done---at least until after we know everything about Sm4sh, including the Wii U version.

Interestingly enough, I can't believe it took me this long to come to this conclusion. It's like it required a combination of all my past theories, ironically enough. If this is true, Sakurai is more clever than we thought.

Not to mention it would be the biggest troll move ever:

"Oh that was the full roster... Nah, I'm just kidding. All these other characters are included on the Wii U version, but you guys won't know until much later. I want you guys to squirm for as long as possible:troll:" --Masahiro Sakurai, 2014
I'm so glad your back, especially with this theory! I've always thought if Nintendo was trying to push sales for the wii U then they'd need some big differences in smash! This just never really came to me though

And right there is your connection control to the wii U. Congratulations you've revived a ton of hope in me

Edit: also all condolences go to the Ghirahim fans... He would've been great (PotD)
 
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Welp...looks like Ghirahim is gone. As usual, hold on tight because we may be getting more of those disconfirmations coming.

Guess I better update this image I made



"Ghirahim, you are the weakest link! Goodbye!" (No offense to those that wanted him)
 
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Welp...looks like Ghirahim is gone. As usual, hold on tight because we may be getting more of those disconfirmations coming.

Guess I better update this image I made



"Ghirahim, you are the weakest link! Goodbye!" (No offense to those that wanted him)
Ghirahim was a big name. At least compared to the retros that got AT'd. Him and Midna would have made great playables. Now I'm scurred all over again. I hope Krystal comes through yespunintended.

More terrible puns coming up as soon as I can think of them. Be satisfied with what I've embarrassed myself with so far.
 
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This has been really tough for me with Ghirahim now a confirmed AT... I wanted Ghirahim just as much as I wanted Krystal... so you know this is tough for me. Krystal's all I got left... and if she gets in as an AT were done for... least until next game which who knows when that's gonna happen. And I doubt DLC will be made for a character that has been AT'd.

My hope is down but I'm sticking with this to the bitter end. I still have Shulk, Issac, Medusa and most of all Krystal left of my wanted and so far only one left due to "you know what" is Shulk. But hey you win some you lose some and I've got a lot of confirmed characters to play with... it's still sucks though to him gone. I hope for the best for my Blue Vixen...
 

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Wait a minute...



I feel another theory coming on! This one is significant---not only for Krystal, either. In fact, with this theory we will effectively have a 3-4 month buffer for further speculation even after the 3DS version releases---because it has a possibility which cannot be denied. It's actually more possible than the idea of another playtester withholding their information...

Thematically, this theory is business-influenced. Keep this in mind.

Even if this new leak is true...

Hear me out; there is still hope yet!



All of these recent leaks---and all of this recent information (including Ken's knowledge and the info I came across)---pertain solely to the 3DS version, correct? This makes sense, as the 3DS version is releasing first, and soon. However, we're assuming that the 3DS information---character-wise, especially---is intrinsically bound with the Wii U version. This is because we were only ever accustomed to one game releasing at a time---not 2.

Hence, what if there are different unlockable characters for each version?

Now wait, I know what you might say: "but Sakurai said both versions will have the same roster!"

Allow me to harken back to an older theory I came up with---specifically, something I said within it. This was the theory regarding the dual reveal with Krystal and Ridley. I mentioned, under the conditions that presented themselves at the time, that Retro Studios could have denied working on the Star Fox/Metroid crossover videogame. However, they still would have been truthfully denying that rumor if they were working on a Smash Brothers newcomer cutscene, because it wouldn't be a videogame. Now, I don't believe that theory will happen, but let's get back to the theory at hand.

The same thing can apply here. Allow me to explain:

Back in the April Smash Direct, Sakurai mentioned that "both versions will have the same roster." This was to be expected. However, he said something else that has only just now piqued my curiosity (beware, I'm paraphrasing here---but I'm 100% confident he said something in the exact context).

Sakurai: There will be cross-platform features between the 3DS and the Wii U. I will go into detail about these later.

Thing is, he has yet to explain these cross-platform features between both versions of Sm4sh. This could be considered obvious, since the nature of the Wii U version is currently unknown---in almost its entirety. They don't want the Wii U version's content to be known because they're currently pushing to sell the 3DS version. This is something we've previously established. This is obvious enough through their marketing, and their modality in releasing information (all of the game modes, among other things).

Point in case, what if one of the cross-platform features allow you to transfer version-designated unlockable characters between the 3DS and Wii U?

If this were the case, certain unlockable characters could be initially unlocked on one version---only to be transferred to the other version in quasi-DLC likeness. This would effectively allow both versions to have the same roster.

Thus, Sakurai wouldn't be lying or going back upon his word.

Yes, this sounds kind of like an evil business move by Nintendo---but it wouldn't be any more evil than reserving these characters for the DLC (like I said in an older theory, but now I don't think that's the case).

Again, I'll say it: Nintendo is a business. Not only do they have to think about our interests, but theirs as well.

Speaking of DLC, if the characters from the leak as DLC are what we get, this theory could still work. The DLC could be reserved for characters they didn't have enough developmental time to include in the initial roster---which is also why having veterans as the bulk of the DLC makes sense. If this is the case, I don't think these characters will cost anything (don't take my word on that specifically, though). These DLC characters could be revealed between the release of both versions---starting after the 3DS version's release and leading up to the Wii U one.

Now let's shift gears for a second and re-examine the franchises and their representations in this leak.

Hmm... Notice anything odd?

All of these franchises are receiving newcomers except for The Legend of Zelda, Kirby, Donkey Kong, Star Fox, and Metroid.

Actually, that's not what I found odd. This is:
Mario is receiving two unique newcomers.

Well, that fact alone isn't what makes it odd.

It's when you combine that fact with those other 5 franchises not receiving anything. That is the oddity---an oddity that can be explained with this theory!

Before I further pursue that route, I feel I need to briefly remind everyone of all the teases Sakurai has made. Think back to all of his teases---including the ones that were never specifically denoted one way or the other. What I'm trying to say here is that Sakurai is a troll---but he's also more than that. He's aware of us and our interests.

I also feel I need to remind everyone that every single franchise received a newcomer in Brawl. All of them. Heck, we even added a new franchise---Kid Icarus! Not only that, but Brawl had a singular team, and they had to work on the massive Subspace Emissary. Their team in general was smaller, too.

Smash 4 has multiple teams, composed of multiple developer groups, like Team Sora and Namco Bandai. Brawl didn't have that.

Let's shift gears again and examine the marketing for Smash 4. Smash, outside of being its own game, is about raising awareness for franchises, not characters per se. Keep this in mind as you read the following question:

Have you noticed a particular theme in Sm4sh's marketing? Well...

Does East vs. West ring a bell? It certainly should...


Look back to E3 2014. Do you remember that hilariously epic opener with Smash? If you do (which you should)...

Who was fighting in the cutscene?

Correct. It was Reggie and Iwata.

Do you know the title of their official positions?

Again, correct. Reggie is the President of Nintendo of America. Iwata is the President of Nintendo of Japan. East vs. West strikes again.

Let's look at this a different way. Look at the colors chosen for both Sm4sh versions. The 3DS is red, and the Wii U is blue.

Why do you think they chose these colors?

There was no real need. Was it a design choice? Or is it something on a much deeper value...? Perhaps these colors are meant to represent the East and West respectively. You should understand that these respective colors are more associated with their respective side, especially on a cultural level. You should also know that Japan adheres to culture strenuously. Using such representation over their marketing for Sm4sh isn't at all far-fetched.

Now remember back to when I said Smash is used to raise awareness for franchises. Look back at the newcomers revealed so far before the 3DS release. Look to the ones that are included in the leak---specifically Shulk and Chorus Men. Notice anything?

Firstly, no one can officially say that these characters were wanted more in the East or the West.

However, when we look at the newcomers from the perspective of franchises, things begin to clarify.

Pokemon, Mario, Kid Icarus, Fire Emblem, and Xenoblade have a heavier influence over the East than the other franchises that have yet to receive newcomers. All of these franchises (and supposedly Xenoblade) are receiving newcomers, while it seems the others aren't.

Note how I didn't say that these franchises were more requested by the East to have newcomers. Why? Requests don't matter.

Well, they do, in part. But not full.

It's about influence.

So, why is this whole East vs. West theme so important?

Easy. Can you see where I'm going?

Donkey Kong, Metroid, The Legend of Zelda, and Star Fox all have a heavier influence in the West than the East.

Theory in point:

What if newcomers from these franchises are held to be the Wii U version-designated unlockables?

Interesting...

What about Little Mac, though?

Good question. Fortunately, I have a theoretical rebuttal:

Little Mac was just a "taste" of what's to come, without spoiling the surprise.

It adds up so well. As a bonus, it makes too much sense business-wise...

And now, ladies and gentlemen, the pièce de résistance...


What major factor drives the sales for Smash?

Correct. Characters. Why is this important? Simple.

Look carefully at the gap between the sales dates of the 3DS and Wii U versions.

Why would the Wii U version have the exact same roster as the 3DS version---especially if it releases 3-4 months afterwards?

Bringing the theory into full circle, it highlights a business perspective: this would be horrible marketing. Sure, Nintendo is known for their strange marketing, but considering the TLC they've done with the East vs. West theme, this time looks to be different.

Anyways, the Wii U version wouldn't have enough incentive to match the sales of the 3DS version if it didn't have these version-designated unlockables. There are many more 3DS consoles out there than there are Wii U consoles. The Wii U version needs something spectacular to stand out as opposed to the 3DS version---and game modes alone won't cut it. I can guarantee that.

Final question:

What is Nintendo's goal for Sm4sh, marketing wise?

Simple. They want to execute plans that would accrue the most sales for all of their Sm4sh peripherals.

We're still alive, guys!



Phew! That was a long one.

I guess that means I'm back...

Back, to stay. :)

Still, if this theory comes out to be true, my reaction will be similar to this:


inb4 court case against Krystal

PS: If you haven't noticed, all of these 3DS leaks, if true, can easily serve to strengthen this theory. These leaks seem to be only a part of the bigger puzzle---the Sm4sh puzzle.

So sit back, and relax until all is really said and done---at least until after we know everything about Sm4sh, including the Wii U version.

Interestingly enough, I can't believe it took me this long to come to this conclusion. It's like it required a combination of all my past theories, ironically enough. If this is true, Sakurai is more clever than we thought.

Not to mention it would be the biggest troll move ever:

"Oh that was the full roster... Nah, I'm just kidding. All these other characters are included on the Wii U version, but you guys won't know until much later. I want you guys to squirm for as long as possible:troll:" --Masahiro Sakurai, 2014
Good to have you back. I still don't know how true the things you heard of were, but until we know everything about the games, there's always a reason to be skeptical.

That said...as interesting as it'd be and as much of a masterstroke of hype a newcomer after the 3DS release would be, would the Big N really force people to buy both versions to get the entire roster? I could maybe see them having you connect the 3DS version with any Wii U version that has them unlocked...but if you really did hear something not related to this damn leak going around that drained all hope from you...well, I'm concerned.
 

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It could be true that Krystal could be in the Wii U version and Wolf could be in 3DS version, using the theory that Random made, being how SSBU is themed after West, where Krystal is more popular
 

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Posted here while getting liked is decent & all, but forgot to Watch thread. . .:urg:

Catching up, I kept up my decent point of view of everything, including the leeks from these :083:es. And then I read @ TheRandomCities4 TheRandomCities4 's huge theorized post to the max, relating with it & why I feel a bit more hopeful for the time difference of 3 months between the Sm4sh games. For that I post this spoiler for how I rate your theory:

:4falcon::4falcon::4falcon::4falcon::4falcon::4falcon::4falcon::4falcon::4falcon: out of 10 HYESZ!
That posted, I return here mentioning again, that I'm still a decent standing Krystal supporter & would like the inclusion of Fox's love interest to make her debut in Sm4sh. Everyone wanting Evillains is great & are needed, though hotnesses are always welcome in my book. Only 11 right now counting the avatar costume swaps, & excluding Mii Fighters, we could always have more Super Smash Sisters.

But I'm still a year & 5 days late on this.:urg:
 
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Welp...looks like Ghirahim is gone. As usual, hold on tight because we may be getting more of those disconfirmations coming.

Guess I better update this image I made



"Ghirahim, you are the weakest link! Goodbye!" (No offense to those that wanted him)
You should probably replace him with impa, she's the only real choice for a zelda rep left
 

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I still don't understand why we would get another Zelda newcomer. the Zelda/Sheik split now has the series at 5 slots (I'm aware of the trophy theory I just don't believe it)
Mario's getting a newcomer, Pokemon is getting a newcomer, hell Fire emblem is getting 2 newcomers. I think zelda deserves one since it's nintendo's 4th most popular franchise
 

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Mario's getting a newcomer, Pokemon is getting a newcomer, hell Fire emblem is getting 2 newcomers. I think zelda deserves one since it's nintendo's 4th most popular franchise
I dunno most newcomers bring something new to the table (Lucina's an upgraded alt) I still don't think Zelda should get a newcomer simply because other franchises got some, essentially getting a newcomer for the sake of getting a newcomer (I'd love Vaati or Ruto or Agitha or ANY mage though).
 

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I dunno most newcomers bring something new to the table (Lucina's an upgraded alt) I still don't think Zelda should get a newcomer simply because other franchises got some, essentially getting a newcomer for the sake of getting a newcomer (I'd love Vaati or Ruto or Agitha or ANY mage though).
But of all the franchises in smash zelda deserves a newcomer the most (along with kirby) plus impa does bring something to the table, she's a samurai that wields a giant blade (at least in hyrule warriors)
Also before anyone says hyrule warriors is too new, greninjas moveset was made long before X and Y were out and was made in one night
 
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So...um ghirham sorry for the zelda fans so does that push any zelda newcomers out the way (other then toon zelda) but with this I think it's a warning sign that huge characters could be at so let's just hope krystal isn't one....
 
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So...um ghirham sorry for the zelda fans so does that push any zelda newcomers out the way (other then toon zelda) but with this I think it's a warning sign that huge characters could be at so let's just hope krystal isn't one....
There's still impa and tetra left, both of which were always better choices than ghirahim. He's a one-time villain, why anyone thought he would get in baffles me
 
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Welp...looks like Ghirahim is gone. As usual, hold on tight because we may be getting more of those disconfirmations coming.

Guess I better update this image I made



"Ghirahim, you are the weakest link! Goodbye!" (No offense to those that wanted him)
I'll be honest bandana dee is likely next and then Isaac
 

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There's still impa and tetra left, both of which were always better choices than ghirahim. He's a one-time villain, why anyone thought he would get in baffles me
Villains are pretty much the series, they make a more profound impact then the heros ever do.
 

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But of all the franchises in smash zelda deserves a newcomer the most (along with kirby) plus impa does bring something to the table, she's a samurai that wields a giant blade (at least in hyrule warriors)
Also before anyone says hyrule warriors is too new, greninjas moveset was made long before X and Y were out and was made in one night
The problem with that is that Impa's HW giant sword isn't canon. Like she's never used anything like that before as far as I know. She'd work great as a alt for Sheik but I think that's it. With Kirby I'd love to see Adeleine return but other than that the only choice is Bandana Dee and I really can't envision him in Smash 4. I usually just see him as a filler character for player 4 to use. Plus with all the diverse characters these franchises have I still don't think a newcomer is necessary but this is just my opinion.
 

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The problem with that is that Impa's HW giant sword isn't canon. Like she's never used anything like that before as far as I know. She'd work great as a alt for Sheik but I think that's it. With Kirby I'd love to see Adeleine return but other than that the only choice is Bandana Dee and I really can't envision him in Smash 4. I usually just see him as a filler character for player 4 to use. Plus with all the diverse characters these franchises have I still don't think a newcomer is necessary but this is just my opinion.
I don't see how it not being canon matters, it's still something that impa uses in a zelda game, canon or not, zelda has never used the spells from OoT, Canonically ganondorf fights nothing like her does in smash. Canon doesn't matter in smash
Villains are pretty much the series, they make a more profound impact then the heros ever do.
Sadly all the villains aside from ganondorf and vaati are one-time characters that never had a chance
 
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Don't forget Vaati ! He is the second-most recurring villain in the Zelda series, isn't he ?

But thanks to @ TheRandomCities4 TheRandomCities4 for his huge post and theory concerning how DLC and characters could be handled. However, it is kind of a ***** move for Sakurai to say that we shouldn't worry for both versions will have the same characters, and then retcon it by saying 'Fooled ya morons ! Buy both version or miss out on the fun.' *laughs*

Which is why I don't believe it will happen as you say. The connectivity between the Wii U and the 3DS might come into play with the unlocking stuff, so that you don't have to unlock it twice as it would be very annoying and stupid, especially for the players who, like me, pay absolutely no mind to the single player mode and some of its boring aspects (Hello, SSE !).

Not only that, but maybe it could be used to transfer amiibos, equipments, and customization parts so that you don't have to play 16 more hours just to get something that you already obtained in the first place.

Also, how do you suppose it will work ? 3DS does not have everything but Wii U does ? Or will that be like Pokémon, with umm... Growlithe available on the 3DS and Vulpix on the Wii U ? I would be so incredibly annoyed if we had to buy both games just to have every characters, and I suppose I wouldn't be the only one.

Still, I hope Krystal makes it, but huh, the west versus east argument is a little frail considering Sakurai mostly listens to Japan anyway, and usually does whatever he wants and gets no backlash for it.
 
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I don't see how it not being canon matters, it's still something that impa uses in a zelda game, canon or not, zelda has never used the spells from OoT, Canonically ganondorf fights nothing like her does in smash. Canon doesn't matter in smash

Sadly all the villains aside from ganondorf and vaati are one-time characters that never had a chance
Good point but you have to admit that the OoT spells really fit Zelda and I believe many people have complained about Ganondorfs moveset but I get where you're coming from. I just can't seem to envision Impa with that huge sword in Smash and I think Vaati would be much more possible.
 

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Good point but you have to admit that the OoT spells really fit Zelda and I believe many people have complained about Ganondorfs moveset but I get where you're coming from. I just can't seem to envision Impa with that huge sword in Smash and I think Vaati would be much more possible.
They could also give her the naginata, either works

 
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They could also give her the naginata, either works

I suppose that's a bit more likely than the big ass sword but it's only a tiny bit easier to envision. I'm still having a hard time seeing Impa as anything more than alt or AT but that's probably because I just really want more mages so my judgement is clouded. You kids make your own character predictions independently.
 

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I suppose that's a bit more likely than the big *** sword but it's only a tiny bit easier to envision. I'm still having a hard time seeing Impa as anything more than alt or AT but that's probably because I just really want more mages so my judgement is clouded. You kids make your own character predictions independently.
Well we have palutena, robin and rosalina, that's 3x more mages then we had before. While we haven't had a character that wields a katana before
 

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Well we have palutena, robin and rosalina, that's 3x more mages then we had before. While we haven't had a character that wields a katana before
If impa had any hope of being in this game, she would have been shiek. Its totally gone now and I don't think Impa warrents a slot, its hard to properly pick a new comer from zelda.

Also we should discuss star fox here, name krystal.
 

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Also, how do you suppose it will work ? 3DS does not have everything but Wii U does ? Or will that be like Pokémon, with umm... Growlithe available on the 3DS and Vulpix on the Wii U ? I would be so incredibly annoyed if we had to buy both games just to have every characters, and I suppose I wouldn't be the only one.

Still, I hope Krystal makes it, but huh, the west versus east argument is a little frail considering Sakurai mostly listens to Japan anyway, and usually does whatever he wants and gets no backlash for it.
1st paragraph: I would probably share your sentiments. I'm just trying to imagine what a business would do. And in the end, if Nintendo decided to do this, both versions would have the same roster---just not in the beginning (and yes, it could anger a lot of fans, but the best way to mitigate the anger would probably be to use the popular Western newcomer choices to explain how those specific Wii U-3DS connections work). I have a feeling Nintendo could be trying to please us in a way that milks much of our money, as unfortunate as we might find that. Consoles cost more than DLC---and Nintendo must know that people will try to flake out and buy only one console/version. Perhaps they want to find a way that will make many more people buy both? This would certainly do it.

2nd paragraph: The reason why the East vs. West thing seems frail is because he hasn't revealed much of the Wii U version (which under this theory represents more of the West due to the color choice---assuming it means anything). In this case, we've heard practically nothing but the 3DS version, which represents more of the East under this theory. It would make sense, information and character wise. It could also explain why we haven't seen certain franchises (DK, LoZ, SF, Me) get newcomers yet and others (Ma, KI, Po, FE, and potentially Xe and RhyHe [Rhythm Heaven is actually more recognized in the East---especially prior to Gematsu]) have.

Also, I won't deny the possibility that there may be more reveal trailers left than we think. Sakurai said "we're nearing the bottom of the stash of Newcomer trailers that we've made", but he said this after 11 different character trailers were shown (including Sonic). Out of 11, what number would be nearing the bottom? 2? I'm not inclined to believe so... What about 4? 4 is only ~36% of 11, and can be considered nearing the bottom. However, I don't see more than 4 happening. Point being, what if he uses some of these trailers to showcase some of those other franchise (DK, LoZ, SF, Me) newcomers that are to be unlocked on the Wii U version---to be transferred to the 3DS version. Time will tell.

By the way, this theory assumes that certain characters (like hypothetically, Shulk, DHD, Bowser Jr., and others) will need to be unlocked on the 3DS version in order to be transferred to the Wii U one. It works both ways.

Also, I would be confident that many of the newcomers already shown will be readily available on both versions. This theory mainly applies to those unlockable few characters.
 
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