Alright so I picked out a few clips of this type of situation, first thing I noticed was that the frequency of a falco fh wling to platform to get out of a losing laser war seems to happen much less in top falco dittos. I assume this is the case becase top falcos are a lot more pro active in the laser war and it seems they get bogged down less by lasers in general and fight more. But, I did manage to find a few.Yeah if you're not super close you're not directly punishing it. However you get to move in closer since you have frame advantage and he has to spend time jumping and wavelanding on the platform. If you're in a position where the Falco can't SH off aerial into you, then you just need to turn around and work FH/DJ/SH into DJ Bair as well as space around/threaten the shield drop. You could also hit them as they try to come back down with a laser or set up your own PS on it that would give you a very good position. It's not an easy position but that's the easiest way I could explain it. If you have a question about a specific option or combo of options they use we can discuss that, but otherwise that's what comes to my mind when I think of it right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V0cl-x3LsU#t=6m31s
So in this clip, druggedfox fh wavelands after a laser on shield and the attempts to drop through platform and punish. So here, the first thing that comes to mind is that because kpan did an approaching laser after the initial laser he had more room to push frame advantage, as he took a lot of space in the time that sami was full hopping. As sami is in his waveland lag, kpan is already out of lag. Because of this frame advantage and his position, Kpan is able to instantly put out an uptilt or back air and stuff a potential fall through aerial, while also being able to cover sami jumping to top platform or to center stage by dash back full hop bair etc. He could also sh below the platform and dj bair to hit sami for dashing etc, or maybe set up a shield pressure sequence if sami decided to hold shield.
If Kpan didn't do the approaching laser as sami was jumping away, he wouldn't have access to as many options to cover samis potential escapes / attacks. assuming Kpan was center stage and did an in place laser, sami would be in waveland lag while Kpan was center stage, allowing kpan to potential dash away, dash towards the platform and setup a fh bair potentially, but neither of these options give kpan as much room to push the frame advantage. So I think the approaching laser put kpan in a better position assuming sami decided to jump out of the laser war. Anyways, do you think I missed anything here with what Kpan decided to do and how he could have pushed his frame advantage here? Assuming he did the approaching laser and was directly below sami, which isn't always the case.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWQ4gtM5d0g&feature=youtu.be
Here is a second situation
In this one, I jump wl to platform and my friend goes for laser aerial, because he was in lag from the aerial as I was out of lag from my waveland I got the frame advantage from this exchange. I could have drop down punished him I believe but I am not sure if I could have done it completely on reaction. I decide to jump off turn around laser when I also could have just dropped through laser while he was in lag. My question on this one then is if I could have set up a "reaction point" during my waveland to where I could have recognized his aerial and done a better more direct punish of drop through aerial / turn around laser instead of pre preemptively jumping off like I did.
Anyways, I think that if you jump away from a laser and they do approaching laser they have a lot of time to push frame advantage while if they do approaching aerial they lose frame advantage. If they do in place center stage laser they do have frame advantage but it's not as direct and ripe for punishes as approaching laser, it just allows them to freely re position while the other falco is in lag for 10 frames on the platform.
If they do laser dash back i'm assuming neutral might as well be reset.
If I am playing as the falco who is jumping onto the platform then I should probably pay attention to how they move after the laser I jumped out of, and decide what to do to hopefully win the laser war / take frame advantage back for myself.
Also, why do you think laser wars in top level falcos are so much different then low level falco dittos? Do you think top falcos just know how to push the advantage from winning lasers harder or do they know how to escape a losing situation better, or a combination of both?
Also, lastly but unrelated to the laser wars but related to the stuff I was asking last week.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm2LKbO5evo#t=7m15s
Here you do a full dash back as mango is falling drifting in with a back air, and then you decide to do another dash back and dash forward grab him as a whiff punish. This was on reaction correct? You saw his drift and decided to dash again out of the end of the dash back? Just wanting to confirm my understanding on this a bit more and I remembered this example.
Please let me know how to think about these types of situations better too, any criticism is welcome.
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