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As Falco, I think getting platform movement near perfect is really key as you will be using platforms for most of your combos and in neutral. Therefore, getting wavelands really smooth and getting Shield and Isai Drops consistent will boost your combo game and neutral a lot.
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said, getting your ledgedashes good is a no.1 priority as one of the most common mistakes newer Falco's make is doing ledge hop double laser way too much - ledge dash is superior in most cases.
-ledgedash and other ledge options, such as firestall, LH>side platform WL, LH back>sideB edgecancel on sideplatform vs sideB shorten to regrab ledge. Also be comfortable to take the ledge very quick : WD back FF grab ledge, shine turnaround-firestall.
Whenever he's in the air, bair is gud. So it'll work for sure, but
you gotta get out of there before he is in your face. depending on the spacing/timing, you can roll out, use full jump mixups, or retreat to ledge and ledgedash.
-Establish better laser control so his freedom of movement is very limited, this way he can't be in your face at all times.
I hear ya with the pivot stuff, I was mostly thinking already running sorta as a reaction. Like I said, it was a silly thing that came to mind the other day. As for my wrist, thanks a ton. Going to the doctor is why I know it's carpal tunnel, and I've been resting it a lot. Hopefully it'll be better in the next two weeks, but obviously I can't control that.
Shooting low lasers does wonders against Sheiks that wanna stay grounded. If you can keep stage control and annoy her with lasers, handling her approaches isn't really hard at all. If you KNOW she wants the grab, you could shield and dair OoS once she starts coming in as a way to fool her. If she's jumping in an attempt to space aerials or get needles -> grab, know where her effective ranges are and just beat her with utilt. Airborne Sheiks lose so hard to utilt.
Try not approaching. At all. Maintain stage postition, she shouldn't be able to get in on you on on the ground.
Wow a lot of to stuff to think about nice! I will be saving this in a txt to read when i start giving up. Now the problem is just to start thinking, theres so many good stuff that you wrote that i never did. What i was doing was either just not approaching at all, or i was just lasering and shine dairing until i got a lucky bair or a fsmash. I thank you for the time you put in writing this.
Honnestly you did fine. Sure everything could be improved :
Yeah, you're just jumping too soon. Practice the combo on another fighter, and be sure that you're in the air. If you're grounded, you'll have to go through jump squat, causing you to miss the small window.
Try using tap jump + C-stick instead of X/Y + A.
Ledgedash is not unecessary lol, it is your best technique off of the ledge in most situations. Personally, I'd spend 2 hours a day getting all of the tech you will be using super consistent, you should be able to do everything without thinking about the inputs. Going to a weekly would greatly enhance your improvement as you can apply theory to matches and learn to play under pressure. But seriously, you should learn ledgedash as quickly as possible as it prevents you from getting in the habit of doing double lasers or aerials from the ledge. Finally make sure to watch as much melee as possible so you can learn answers to as many situatons as possible.
Idk. If this guy has never practiced it before and will MM in a month or two, I don't think practicing ledge dashes is a valuable way for him to spend his time. It's obviously amazing once you learn it, but it's not something you can half-ass. It takes a tremendous amount of time to get to the point where it's useful, and even then it'll be twice as hard in a high stakes MM.
You should be able to learn how to shine bair in a reasonable amount of time and it's pretty useful in general.
I agree with most of what you say but honestly ledge dashing is not that hard to do and it's almost never not useful.
I might have picked some words wrong in my previous post, but I meant that if he isn't able to do it consistently, he will just fall to his death. Of course it's an amazing tech if you do it right.
Agreed. In hindsight I should have realized that his tech might not be consistent enough to consistently ledge dash. If he can though, I totally recommend learning it. Ledgedash is godlike mang
For the Falco ditto, you can actually get away with mixing up LHDL and LH Phantasm. Falco is the only top tier too slow to cover both of these options though, so you will need to learn to ledgedash eventually. The biggest determination in who wins the Falco ditto at low level is largely punish game and negation of their punish game through good DI and teching habits. If your opponent is competent at shine OoS, shield pressure will also be important. Being able to laser well in neutral is helpful, but gets tricky with lasers coming back at you.
Out of interest, what do you do to punish LHDL, it seems harder for Falco to punish than say Fox or Marth?
If I read it or am already on a platform, I jump above them and dair. If I'm on the ground and dealing with it on reaction, I either shine (easiest timing but worst range) or aerial OoS between the lasers (preferably bair but nair works just as well at higher %s). It should also be possible to jab between the lasers if you get hit or usmash OoS, but I haven't had an opportunity to test or practice implementing these.
Not sure if I understand 1 but I'll answer my solution to number 2. Typically I'll make a read but increase my chances of success by down smashing so I can cover missed tech/tech in place depending on timing as well as tech roll to one side.
1.) (IDK your level) but part of this could be SDI on the dair, and part of it could be that you're not pulling back/hitting forwards on the stick enough as you hit your opponent so that you position yourself perfectly. For an overshot dair, utilt is definitely a really good option, and turnaround utilt should be alright for a undershot one, though grab should work pretty well. Alternatively, remember that an opening does not always have to be some kind of monster punish. If you mess up a bit, there's nothing wrong with just trying to reset to neutral.
Also D-Smash does work but you were talking about low percent so D-Air / Up-Tilt / Shine is better in my opinion.
This is exactly what happens. But even at top level, you can't always guarantee the perfect positioning. In situations where you're punishing lag or something, it's more on you. But when you're scrambling in neutral, it's not always going to work out perfectly. That's why I think it's important to know what to do in these kind of situations.
Yeah but I don't think this should be the type of situation where you accept a mess-up. I feel like you should always be able to get something at least.
I like the third alternative. What do you think of shining tech in place on reaction and following with jc shine or utilt for tech rolls? Utilt would be if landed toward one side of the platform and tech rolled in a way utilt would cover it.
I think it should be treated more like a Sheik/Falcon's techchasing. You don't needa do a preemptive shine for their tech in place and then WD out and choose another option if they techrolled-- you can just see what they're doing and react to it if you position yourself properly.
To clarify, I meant using shine on reaction to cover tech in place.
Yeah, definitely shine tech in place. I'm not sure if you have time to get over and utilt the opponent when they techroll, but JC shine should probably be possible. The frame data we looked at in the Discord made it look possible to dair on techrolls on reaction on plats, and just barely possible on the ground.
