Powershielding Kirby's Up+B.

[CO18]

Sorry if this is known, I don't pay tooo much attention to kirby.

But It seems as if you powershield Kirby's up+b recovery right near the ledge he'll just pass the ledge falling to his death and won't grab on.

I've done this several times now so I was just wondering if this is known or not or if im wrong myself.

If I am anyone know what this is?

 

[Kirby Magatsu]

Hmm, interesting, i haven't did this yet, i'll try this tomorrow because i don't have an wii, but some people can try this better than me, then i'll wait the results =]

 

[Neogen]

....SERIOUSLY?! If this is true, then thanks for telling the world how to gimp an edgey kirby! Nah, but anyway, that would suck if it's true. I'm not good at testing stuff like this, so we'll see.

 

[Asdioh]

It depends on what you're talking about. If you mean you powershield as Kirby tries to GRAB the ledge, then I've never heard of that.

But if you're talking about where you shield final cutter, and you kinda push Kirby off the stage as he's in landing lag, I've seen him free fall, blinking, to his death. It's extremely annoying to have happen to you. I don't know exactly how to do it, but it sucks when it happens o_o

 

[t!MmY]

I just got done testing this, and all that happened was the Final Cutter was Perfect Shielded and Kirby grabbed the ledge normally.

Some info:
Tested with Lucario (my friend mains Lucario) and then with Dedede (since CO18 posted this thread).
Stage used, Final Destination, left hand ledge.
Pink Kirby ftw.

Edit:
Sometimes I've seen Kirby pushed off the ledge after a Final Cutter. This happened to me first on the conveyor belts on Pokemon Stadium 2, and occasionally with slanted ledges and such. Each time it's happened, Kirby went into FallSpecial, helpless state, and then grabbed the ledge (no one was edge hogging).

 

[CO18]

I just got done testing this, and all that happened was the Final Cutter was Perfect Shielded and Kirby grabbed the ledge normally.

Some info:
Tested with Lucario (my friend mains Lucario) and then with Dedede (since CO18 posted this thread).
Stage used, Final Destination, left hand ledge.
Pink Kirby ftw.

Edit:
Sometimes I've seen Kirby pushed off the ledge after a Final Cutter. This happened to me first on the conveyor belts on Pokemon Stadium 2, and occasionally with slanted ledges and such. Each time it's happened, Kirby went into FallSpecial, helpless state, and then grabbed the ledge (no one was edge hogging).

Hmm im not sure then but Ive done this several times on smashville/FD when as well. I can try to get a vid up but I dont exactly know what it is then.

 

[Delta Z]

This seems like it depends on if the powershield is on Kirby's way up or on his way down, since what the powershield does is push Kirby away a little. If it's on his way up all the Kirby has to do is hold left or right (the direction toward the stage) and he should still make it. On the way down, I dunno. Then again, FC moves so fast it's pretty hard to powershield.

 

[h1roshi]

interesting, hopefull kirby doesnt get too owned by this.

-hiro

 

[t!MmY]

Since I tested it on both going up and going down with Kirby's Final Cutter, I don't think that has much to do with it.

However, a thought crossed my mind. It might be dependant on if Kirby lands right at the very edge of the stage with the Cutter and the Perfect Shield then pushes him off immediately after he lands. This would push him into FallSpecial akin to the conveyer belts and sloped ground on other levels. You guys can go test it, but I won't be able to until later.

 

[CompassTosser]

^ If you're talking about that diving animation that he does, most common place that happens to me is landing on the Bulborb's mouth in Distant Planet. he slides right off.

 

[KingChaos]

If this really works its REALLY RISKY lol you will most likely be kirbycided if your not careful or don't know when to do this.

 

[wangston]

update!!! You can grab the ledge stand up then push the kirby off. You can also use fludd or squirties water gun. Gale boomerang does the same thing when you push him off. It's when you push the kirby off the edge after he has landed and still has the cutter out.

 

[A1lion835]

Um... speaking of the conveyer belts and such.

I've actually managed to slide offstage and fallspecial on FD without anyone pushing me. It's hard to describe, but it happens when I land on the very edge of the stage and hold towards the ledge. I've done this when playing Ridley in boss battles, facing to the left, near the left ledge, and died because of it (which pissed me off to no end). Someone who can post vids should probably test this and get one up of it...

 

[fromundaman]

Why the thread necromancy?

 

[Pink murder]

Lol stop talking about it!
This could be used against us! XD

 

[Pdiamond]

I've had this happen to me a couple of times.

This is not caused by any moves that push you off because you would continue to be in the FC animation.

The animation of Kirby when this happens is he falls to his death blinking, like D3 after he cancels his recovery. But the interesting thing is, is that none of Kirby's move's create that animation. On most characters if you try to recover and fail you go into that animation but with Kirby if you miss the ledge and fall to your death you'd stay in the FC animation.

I've had it happen that it literally pushed me off the stage completely away from the edge. It must be the perfect shield and the effects that come along with it.

My theory is is that when you just regular shield a attack you get pushed away by the force of your opponents attack. But with perfect shield(as you all know) you don't get pushed back. Could this mean the perfect shield has the opposite effect on the opponent instead of you? That your opponent gets knocked away instead of yourself because of the effects of the perfect shield? And when that were to happen it forces you into the helpless animation.


EDIT: I just had a idea...

If the opposite effect does actually happen maybe some form of shielding effect is passed on to Kirby and the shielding effect cancels his recovery forcing him into the helpless state.

To me that somewhat makes sense...like I said before if a character misses his recovery or cancels his recovery he would go into a helpless state, so if this shield effect does cancel his recovery naturally it would force him into the helpless state.

Ugh, to much thinking, headache coming...Bye.

 

[Pink murder]

Lol i doubt it. I've done tons of perfect shields, but none of them pushed my opponent away :/

 

[t!MmY]

To go into free-fall after using a Final Cutter you have to:
1) Land on the ground
2) Get pushed off a ledge and into the air

This is usually seen on slanted ground (e.g. Bulborbs) or from some sort of forced movement (e.g. conveyer belts). Knowing this, it's easy to theorize that the Perfect Shield itself has little to do with causing Kirby to go into free-fall. It would be the girth of the character occupying the area in front of the ledge that makes the difference, giving no room for Kirby to land with Final Cutter and causing him to 'slide' away. The fact that characters don't move with a Perfect Shield supports this because a normal Shield would cause them to be pushed back from the force of the Final Cutter giving Kirby room to land on the ledge without getting pushed off.