Potential Roster/Stage Leak Thread

[Ffamran]

-the menus in general being too Brawl-like (okay I'm being nitpicky here but it still bugs me)

The Brawl menu screen was used in Kid Icarus: Uprising. I guess it's just something that works for Sakurai and his team.

 

[Bladeviper]

Thanks for the info.

Really? Stabbing with that giant blade? If anyone should be stabbing (a lot) it should be Marth. It'd make sense since, for whatever reason, Falchion resembles a sword - not a broadsword, katana, longsword, etc. - or even a short sword in SSB. Generally with short swords and daggers, you'd want to stab more than slash since those kinds of blades don't have that range or lethality to cause a ton of damage with slashing. Hell, the way Ike uses Ragnell, he cleaves, hacks, and crushes which makes sense for a two-handed sword and as a reference to his style. Now I feel like Lucina should have received Marth's moveset since Falchion in Awakening was a bit longer and resembled a longsword and Marth should have received a fencing-styled moveset.

Then again, this is a game and for those that play Devil May Cry, you all know about Dante's infamous stab with a giant blade. Speaking of which, Shulk is now a "wannabe Dante". Trying to look all cool and stuff by not holding his sword and drawing it to start an attack.

I expected Shulk to use more of a two-handed stance akin to kendo practitioners.

i think they made him sheath the sword so it does not take up a lot of room or maybe to decrease the particles on screen since its not a solid blade, shulk fights with it out in xenoblade.

 

[micstar615]

I'm loving the roster so far but it'll be a disappointment if none of the big 3 make it in. That's basically Sakurai ignoring fan requests and you can guarantee that people will be complaining about if for years.

 

[XStarWarriorX]

Ignoring characters for a second, is anyone else's disappointed when it comes to the other content?

-series like Metroid, DK, Sonic and WarioWare only getting old stages from Brawl
-no Event Matches
-no traditional Break the Targets or Board the Platforms
-no Adventure Mode
-no Stage Builder
-several series being snubbed when it comes to content in general (Star Fox in particular got hit hard)
-the drab looking CSS and SSS (though I'll wait and see how the final version looks)
-the menus in general being too Brawl-like (okay I'm being nitpicky here but it still bugs me)

Frankly aside from Falcondorf and no Mewtwo/DK rep, the above is probably far more important to me than the actual roster.

This is why i believe the wii u smash bros. will be the better version

 

[SS-bros14]

Ignoring characters for a second, is anyone else's disappointed when it comes to the other content?

-series like Metroid, DK, Sonic and WarioWare only getting old stages from Brawl
-no Event Matches
-no traditional Break the Targets or Board the Platforms
-no Adventure Mode
-no Stage Builder
-several series being snubbed when it comes to content in general (Star Fox in particular got hit hard)
-the drab looking CSS and SSS (though I'll wait and see how the final version looks)
-the menus in general being too Brawl-like (okay I'm being nitpicky here but it still bugs me)

Frankly aside from Falcondorf and no Mewtwo/DK rep, the above is probably far more important to me than the actual roster.

Just a couple things:
1. Break the targets was most likely replaced by Target Blast, plus there's a break the targets minigame in smash run.
2. Smash Run probably replaced Adventure Mode.
Also note not everything has been shown.

 

[DuckHuntFTW]

I'm loving the roster so far but it'll be a disappointment if none of the big 3 make it in. That's basically Sakurai ignoring fan requests and you can guarantee that people will be complaining about if for years.

Great. They can cry while the rest of us enjoy the game

 

[Ffamran]

i think they made him sheath the sword so it does not take up a lot of room or maybe to decrease the particles on screen since its not a solid blade, shulk fights with it out in xenoblade.

I thought it was just a laser sword from the pictures and gameplay I've seen. Does it really sparkle? Shulk could also hold it in a way that would prevent from taking a lot of space.

 

[Bladeviper]

I'm loving the roster so far but it'll be a disappointment if none of the big 3 make it in. That's basically Sakurai ignoring fan requests and you can guarantee that people will be complaining about if for years.

its hard to please everyone, no matter who gets in or is left out some people are gonna be disappointed

I thought it was just a laser sword from the pictures and gameplay I've seen. Does it really sparkle? Shulk could also hold it in a way that would prevent from taking a lot of space.

it might, the video quality was terrible, the sword was the source of some really small slow down in my experience with xenoblade so if its down the same way in ssb that could be the reason he keeps it sheathed

 

[DairunCates]

Wow, I guess you really see no character you like on there. It's too bad that in a roster of 52, you can't find a single character you like. (if we're taking clones out of the equation, there's still 49 to choose from)

The irony here being that all three of his mains are in the game and two of them have been in since game 1. Also, one of the clones he's complaining about is literally a slight alternate of one of his mains. So, you think he'd be happy. To be honest, I think he's just trying to stir up trouble at this point. A lot of those arguments are being parroted from other posts and are somewhat contradictory; not to mention some of the blatant factual inaccuracies in his posts.

So that explains why he's just been showing off menu stuff? I honestly think the guy is blowing off steam because he refused to show off his characters before they were leaked.
I used to feel bad for him, but honestly, it's on him for the delay of information. He should of seen this coming.

That's pretty much what he was showing before. Considering we have PAX and a Direct coming up tomorrow, it makes sense that he wouldn't be throwing out any big reveals, leaked or otherwise.

 

[Deleted member]

I've only seen the Shulk videos once, and I can only remember seeing an Air Slash like Marth's and a spinning move like Link's.

Air Slash does resemble Dolphin Slash, but if the video is anything to go by, it goes higher, and that is what Air Slash looks like in Xenoblade. Air Slash just has a second slash at the end in Xenoblade. In the video, Shulk is intercepted by the ledge, so maybe he does preform the additional slash, or maybe he does it upon connecting with the rising swipe. As for the spinning move, it more closely resembles Roy's down smash in Project M than it does Link's Spin Attack.

Really? Stabbing with that giant blade? If anyone should be stabbing (a lot) it should be Marth. It'd make sense since, for whatever reason, Falchion resembles a sword - not a broadsword, katana, longsword, etc. - or even a short sword in SSB. Generally with short swords and daggers, you'd want to stab more than slash since those kinds of blades don't have that range or lethality to cause a ton of damage with slashing. Hell, the way Ike uses Ragnell, he cleaves, hacks, and crushes which makes sense for a two-handed sword and as a reference to his style. Now I feel like Lucina should have received Marth's moveset since Falchion in Awakening was a bit longer and resembled a longsword and Marth should have received a fencing-styled moveset.

Shulk does slash a lot more in Xenoblade, and 2 of his stronger arts (Back Slash and Monado Buster) are overhead sword swings with both hands. I'd assume him stabbing in Smash is to balance out the range of his weapon. We haven't seen his entire moveset though, and I'd be surprised if Buster wasn't used.

 

[Moldy Clay]

Alright, can we please stop referring to Dr. Mario and Dark Pit as clones when we literally know NOTHING of their playstyle in this game?

Why would they be grouped at the end of the roster instead of with their respective franchises otherwise?

Dr. Mario is probably going to retain his Down+B (so no FLUDD) and have his Pills, but retain the same Mario moveset for the most part.

Dark Pit will probably be a Luigi Pit.

You people do realize that because the leaks real there will be no more character reveals until after the jpn release.

There's only 2 weeks until the game releases. The only character who would make sense to reveal still is Wario.

The leaks have nothing to do with the lack of reveals. We weren't getting anymore anyway unless they did a massive final reveal of everything. We have the starting roster already, except Wario.

The leak is real, the roster is full. No Ridley, K Rool, Mewtwo. Instead: Mario-in-coat, Duck-and-bird, and Marth-with-wig. Rostergate 2014 is definitive. Sakurai and Namco should be ashamed of the awful choices in making this vomit of a roster select screen.

Is it vomit because it doesn't have a villain that would have to use its most recent model and would never work, a villain who Nintendo doesn't acknowledge now and another Mega-Evolving Pokemon? Every character can be broken down to something stupid sounding.

Not having 3 you want, and having 3 you don't does not magically destroy the other 40+ characters.

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[MrSirSteven]

So did anything happen last night after the POTD, were there any new leaks on that info about that Allstar guy? If not we got a Nintendo Direct tomorrow so hype hype hype

 

[Ganonthegreat]

So did anything happen last night after the POTD, were there any new leaks on that info about that Allstar guy? If not we got a Nintendo Direct tomorrow so hype hype hype

Nope, no new leaks.

 

[Mariohuge]

The ironic thing about all this:
The NintendoAmerico leak was right.

 

[Ffamran]

Air Slash does resemble Dolphin Slash, but if the video is anything to go by, it goes higher, and that is what Air Slash looks like in Xenoblade. Air Slash just has a second slash at the end in Xenoblade. In the video, Shulk is intercepted by the ledge, so maybe he does preform the additional slash, or maybe he does it upon connecting with the rising swipe. As for the spinning move, it more closely resembles Roy's down smash in Project M than it does Link's Spin Attack.

Shulk does slash a lot more in Xenoblade, and 2 of his stronger arts (Back Slash and Monado Buster) are overhead sword swings with both hands. I'd assume him stabbing in Smash is to balance out the range of his weapon. We haven't seen his entire moveset though, and I'd be surprised if Buster wasn't used.

Air Slash resembling Dolphin Slash? Tons of characters use sword uppercuts in games. Not a big deal in my opinion, but I can't say for others.

As for Shulk's range. They could, y'know, scale his sword down. I mean, size isn't much of problem. Right, Ridley?

Or just make his attacks be weaker or have less knock-back. I don't know, balance it.

 

[Spiderfog]

There is no excuse for this atrocious roster. "Slightest difference means a character gets it's own slot rather than being an alt". Poppycock. I can think of a few differences between male and female wii fit trainer (boobs, pecs) and yet they are alts. Dr Mario is Mario in a coat. He is literally the definition of an alternate costume. And yet there he is, with his face looking at me on the character select screen.

I'm sorry. But I fail to see how playing as Mario in a coat warrants it's own roster spot. Any Pokeball or AT would have been a better choice. I can't wait until people try to find a difference in water ranger on the fludd that Mario uses vs the one that Mario-in-coat uses.

"Oh, the roster might not even be final though! All star mode!" You're right. Mii Fighter hasn't been unlocked yet. Shulk will then move up finishing the 2nd lowest row, which likely means Shulk is a clone of something too. Then, the bottom row will be Mii and the third parties.

Half this roster is clones, and ZERO of the hype three are included. And Mario-in-coat is included as it's own character. Duck Hunt Dog is it's own character instead of being an assist trophy. "But he has a unique play style!" Sorry, but something about NOT EVEN HAVING HIS OWN NAME says to me that there would have been far, far, far, far, far, far, FAR better choices to include in an ALL STAR GAME. What if real all-star games worked like that? "And for the East All-Stars...um...some team's water boy."

This roster includes Megaman and Pacman, which is fantastic. But there was zero excuse to cut Wolf, Ice Climbers, or Lucas. There was less than zero excuse not to include all of the hype 3, let alone NONE OF THEM. I'm sure game play wise, this game will be a blast. But just ONCE I'd like a Smash game to not produce so much disappointment upon the full roster's reveal. This feels like the dreaded 35 character ROB roster all over again. People trying to rationalize how Ridley could be DLC, how the "forbidden 7" (thus Mewtwo) could be DLC, how K Rool could be DLC if Nintendo got the Kremlings back...

I had so much hope this time around. It didn't seem like they could get away with gimping the roster this time. But here we are. Still only two DK reps. Still only two Metroid reps (and only one character). And Star Fox LOSES a rep...and the non-clone one at that! Meanwhile, Japan gets catered to by receiving the Duck Hunt Dog (doesn't even have a name) and the entire Fire Emblem franchise.

Sakurai: "Japan, you get everybody from the newest release of your favorite series. America? Ah, I see you want what you call the "hype three". Ridley? K Rool? Mewtwo? Hmmm...I decide...you get nary. I guess i'll also pour on two reps from KI because I made it. Also...no Ice Climbers and piles of clones because the 3DS version and stuff. Enjoy Super Smash Bros: Fire Emblem."

Long post incoming.

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I'm going to bet that this is off-topic now, since I've been working on this response for a little bit.

 

[MrSirSteven]

The ironic thing about all this:
The NintendoAmerico leak was right.

Who would've thought he'd be right.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm loving the roster so far but it'll be a disappointment if none of the big 3 make it in. That's basically Sakurai ignoring fan requests and you can guarantee that people will be complaining about if for years.

Ignoring fan requests, eh?

• Gameplay is sped up
• Online is improved
• Random tripping is removed
• All new characters (excluding the clones, which appear to be ascended alternate costumes that were added possible due to a lot of time remaining, but not enough for a new character) have diverse movesets unlike anything introduced thus far
• Alternate costumes are being expanded upon
• Gamecube controller compatible with the Wii U version
• More serious emphasis is being placed on balancing characters, which was a major issue in Brawl.
• Mega Man is playable, and he was easily the most requested 3rd party character
• Palutena is playable, and she was one of the most highly requested additions worldwide
• Shulk is playable, and he is possibly the most highly requested character in Japan, while still being quite popular everywhere else.

I dunno, skipping out on 3 characters doesn't seem to be a problem anymore

 

[Bladeviper]

Air Slash does resemble Dolphin Slash, but if the video is anything to go by, it goes higher, and that is what Air Slash looks like in Xenoblade. Air Slash just has a second slash at the end in Xenoblade. In the video, Shulk is intercepted by the ledge, so maybe he does preform the additional slash, or maybe he does it upon connecting with the rising swipe. As for the spinning move, it more closely resembles Roy's down smash in Project M than it does Link's Spin Attack.

Shulk does slash a lot more in Xenoblade, and 2 of his stronger arts (Back Slash and Monado Buster) are overhead sword swings with both hands. I'd assume him stabbing in Smash is to balance out the range of his weapon. We haven't seen his entire moveset though, and I'd be surprised if Buster wasn't used.

if i remember right he does have a stab or two though. and his up smash where it stabs it into the ground and turns it on could just be because it looks awesome

 

[Deleted member]

Air Slash resembling Dolphin Slash? Tons of characters use sword uppercuts in games. Not a big deal in my opinion, but I can't say for others.

Yeah, exactly. Having played Xenoblade, it's Smash 4 animation appears to be pretty close to the animation in Xenoblade.

if i remember right he does have a stab or two though. and his up smash where it stabs it into the ground and turns it on could just be because it looks awesome

Yeah, he has the upward stab, forward stab, and a move where he thrusts his sword below him in the air.

 

[FalconFire93]

I'm pretty much satisfied with the roster, I mean Sakurai is doing his best to make this an awesome game, and whatever the outcome of the game, it'll still be great no matter what and I really hope DHD is actually in, who knows, his moveset might be pretty good =) and I hope at least one of the Hype 3 gets in, would like to see Ridley too and I wouldn't mind having him in the game.

I'm sorry if anybody's favorites didn't get in, and if your favorites did, congratulations =)

The song to remember the ones that might not get in:

 

[DuckHuntFTW]

Why would they be grouped at the end of the roster instead of with their respective franchises otherwise?

Dr. Mario is probably going to retain his Down+B (so no FLUDD) and have his Pills, but retain the same Mario moveset for the most part.

Dark Pit will probably be a Luigi Pit.



There's only 2 weeks until the game releases. The only character who would make sense to reveal still is Wario.

The leaks have nothing to do with the lack of reveals. We weren't getting anymore anyway unless they did a massive final reveal of everything. We have the starting roster already, except Wario.



Is it vomit because it doesn't have a villain that would have to use its most recent model and would never work, a villain who Nintendo doesn't acknowledge now and another Mega-Evolving Pokemon? Every character can be broken down to something stupid sounding.
Good job captain obvious...There has not been a reveal since the robin/lucina reveal which is only one trailer when sakurai clearly stated there were a few left...Btw a few is 3. How else do you keep over a million people interested in a game up until launch? What pots ...lol

Not having 3 you want, and having 3 you don't does not magically destroy the other 40+ characters.

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[pickle962]

Until legitimate video evidence surfaces for DHD and Docta Mario, I still say they were red herrings deliberately made to troll us.

 

[micstar615]

Ignoring fan requests, eh?

• Gameplay is sped up
• Online is improved
• Random tripping is removed
• All new characters (excluding the clones, which appear to be ascended alternate costumes that were added possible due to a lot of time remaining, but not enough for a new character) have diverse movesets unlike anything introduced thus far
• Alternate costumes are being expanded upon
• Gamecube controller compatible with the Wii U version
• More serious emphasis is being placed on balancing characters, which was a major issue in Brawl.
• Mega Man is playable, and he was easily the most requested 3rd party character
• Palutena is playable, and she was one of the most highly requested additions worldwide
• Shulk is playable, and he is possibly the most highly requested character in Japan, while still being quite popular everywhere else.

I dunno, skipping out on 3 characters doesn't seem to be a problem anymore

My post was in regards to the roster so your first few points are irrelevant to my claim. I'm fine with all of the characters added but ignoring the top 3 fan requested characters is always going to be a bit of a sour spot for many of the fans and it's a valid reason for some to be disappointed.

Great. They can cry while the rest of us enjoy the game

You don't have to love the roster to enjoy the game. Many people still enjoy melee more than brawl even though the roster is inferior.

 

[Ganonthegreat]

It's weird with Ridley and me. I in all honestly have never got far in a Metroid game. I played a lot of them (NES, Zero Mission, Fusion, Prime, Prime Hunters) but I never get far. Ridley however, I simply love his design. He looks so fierce and scary that I just fell in love with him as a villain. I don't want Ridley for the representation but I do want him simply because he looks like a beast to play.

 

[Sil]

I'd say this roster is pretty solid. The only thing that really bugs me is the exclusion of Lucas and Wolf. Well... that and the clones, but I'll probably use them more than the originals tbh.

 

[Bladeviper]

My post was in regards to the roster so your first few points are irrelevant to my claim. I'm fine with all of the characters added but ignoring the top 3 fan requested characters is always going to be a bit of a sour spot for many of the fans and it's a valid reason for some to be disappointed.


You don't have to love the roster to enjoy the game. Many people still enjoy melee more than brawl even though the roster is inferior.

but top three where? they might be the most requested in the states but thats not to say they are the top three everywhere.

 

[Deleted member]

My post was in regards to the roster so your first few points are irrelevant to my claim. I'm fine with all of the characters added but ignoring the top 3 fan requested characters is always going to be a bit of a sour spot for many of the fans and it's a valid reason for some to be disappointed.

"ignoring the top 3 fan requested characters"

Ridley is not an extremely popular request in Japan.

 

[micstar615]

but top three where? they might be the most requested in the states but thats not to say they are the top three everywhere.

Mewtwo is one of the most most requested worldwide, and the west is arguably one of the biggest markets.

"ignoring the top 3 fan requested characters"

Ridley is not an extremely popular request in Japan.

But he's by far one of the most requested in the West, and has been since melee. I think him being excluded is a fair reason for some Western fans to be disappointed and we are a sizable proportion of the fanbase. Not saying he HAS to be in but ignoring the most requested character in the West is a fair reason for some to be disappointed.

 

[Ffamran]

but top three where? they might be the most requested in the states but thats not to say they are the top three everywhere.

"ignoring the top 3 fan requested characters"

Ridley is not an extremely popular request in Japan.

The only country that matters is the United States.

 

[Deleted member]

Mewtwo is one of the most most requested worldwide, and the west is arguably one of the biggest markets.

 

[Bladeviper]

Mewtwo is one of the most most requested worldwide, and the west is arguably one of the biggest markets.

so what? does that mean the other markets don't matter when looking at requests?

 

[micstar615]

so what? does that mean the other markets don't matter when looking at requests?

When did I say that?

 

[TheAnvil]

Until legitimate video evidence surfaces for DHD and Docta Mario, I still say they were red herrings deliberately made to troll us.

What? Why would they make renders for characters that aren't in the game and send them to ESRB?

Why would a character from a game that sold 28m copies be a red herring?

 

[Knife Myths]

The "hype 3?" Ridley, a poor man's Bowser who Nintendo hasn't acknowledged in seven years, and a character who was already playable (and terrible) get described as hype?

(I mean Ridley's okay I guess.)

 

[Fenrir VII]

considering the number of available weapons from Kid Icarus that Pit isn't going to use.... I think Dark Pit could be a lot cooler than most people realize.

Sakurai said with Lucina that he wouldn't create a new char unless they were slightly different, so I expect a variation on the moveset, which sounds pretty cool, honestly.

Now Doc, I kinda see being Mario + pills again, but I hope it's a bit more.

 

[Deleted member]

Now Doc, I kinda see being Mario + pills + better forward air and forward smash + mario tornado and old down air

Fixed

 

[Weavel]

"ignoring the top 3 fan requested characters"

Ridley is not an extremely popular request in Japan.

Neither was little mac.

 

[Deleted member]

Neither was little mac.

Yeah, and that's why Little Mac was chosen. For being an extremely popular western request. I'm not discounting Ridley right now, I'm clarifying that if we're talking worldwide, Ridley is not in the top 3 character requests.

 

[Ganonthegreat]

Sakurai said with Lucina that he wouldn't create a new char unless they were slightly different, so I expect a variation on the moveset, which sounds pretty cool, honestly.

That's true yes, but with Lucina the only difference is she's a slightly different height, and has no sweetspot.

But I do agree, a lot changed for Pit in Uprising in terms of moveset potential, and Pittoo is a great way of using that without changing Pit to much.