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I disagree- we are that close to the Japanese release, but I see no reason why, with the Wii U version months later, we would have any reason to know the entire roster before the latter game is out.
Because we will have the 3DS version and have unlocked all the characters by then. Because Japan will unlock all characters in a matter of hours in when it releases in two weeks. Because the two games have the same playable characters. Because what are you talking about.
 
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Because we will have the 3DS version and have unlocked all the characters by then. Because Japan will unlock all characters in a matter of hours in when it releases in two weeks. Because the two games have the same playable characters. Because what are you talking about.
Although isn't a possibility that they keep some characters out of the 3DS version to keep the hype going, include them in the Wii U version then offer those characters as a free update/patch for the 3DS game?

In the end they will have the same characters, just that the 3DS will be missing some at launch for around 1-2 months.
 
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Because we will have the 3DS version and have unlocked all the characters by then. Because Japan will unlock all characters in a matter of hours in when it releases in two weeks. Because the two games have the same playable characters. Because what are you talking about.
The biggest selling point of the games is the roster. I don't find it logical to believe Nintendo is going to be dandy with three months of mediocrity waiting for the Wii U roster to come out, and that we are only going to get reveals of game modes.

That is not enough to drive sales in a character based game. Nintendo wants to sell the game.
 

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I've looked into it, and wow.. I have to say.. Regardless of what the renders feel like, I feel as if their close to home as to what is to be expected.. If you think about it, and consider the original leaker to have been legitimate(since he was right with Shulk, and the renders seem to match up from the 3DS of which he leaked up to the Wii U) then yeah, I'd say he still had much more to reveal as he still had the copy he was given, fired or not. Perhaps he had a vision into the future to see he'd be treated as such so he revealed more upon his trek.. Only time will tell the true story though.. I'm happy to have been brought into this current standing of leaks, because I know that no matter what, I'll enjoy both copies thoroughly for their individual trophies, stages, and what have you.
 

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The biggest selling point of the games is the roster. I don't find it logical to believe Nintendo is going to be dandy with three months of mediocrity waiting for the Wii U roster to come out, and that we are only going to get reveals of game modes.

That is not enough to drive sales in a character based game. Nintendo wants to sell the game.
Yea and not including characters in the 3DS version and keeping them for the Wii U version, and updating the 3DS version later is a perfect way for do that! Plus it would help out due to the fact then the leaked roster won't be final!
 

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Lets face it, we're all hoping for something beyond the 50-60 character roster. Any classic Nintendo character would be accepted with wide, loving open arms, and regardless of how long it'd take to develop said characters, we'd still cherish it. At this point, Super Smash Bros. has become something more in our eyes. It could reveal us to classic gems from the past, and most if not all have experienced those wonderful games. In the short term, we'd want more from each giving franchise. What's better than giving them a reason to rehash a higher standing of what we love? I'm not at all being sarcastic with this statement and question, because no matter how great you are at giving the content your fans desire, you can always be better. Even if it takes longer than what's to be desired, if you get a full quality deal, that is what matters for and from a growing company.

Edit: Their working around the clock, all day Sakurai says, and they have produced some amazing mechanics that stem beyond what once was. Regardless of the complete roster, regardless of the DLC including the ice-climbers, we should be grateful. Ice-climbers to me, is inevitable.. In fact, Ice-climbers from Melee is what drove me to buy the original game remastered for the GBA, that is a personal experience no one can take from me. If their not included, I'll still be accepting of it, I'd just play them on Brawl, or Ice-climbers for the NES. I still have beyond much more to say than just this, but I'll give it a rest.
 
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I'm wondering how you think Bandana Dee is at all a big contender in the remaining time now.
To be completely fair, if Kirby was to get a 4th rep (and you can't say it's not possible, seeing as Fire Emblem has 4 and Kid Icarus has 3), it would be Bandana Dee. He's slowly become a real character and is now a staple that appears alongside Kirby, Dedede & Meta Knight, and he's going to be in the new clay Kirby on Wii U, along with recolors. So it's not like he's not a popular/prominent thing in the series. And normal Waddle Dees don't really count against him (like R.O.B. in Subspace).

And it IS one of Sakurai's series, so it's not out of the question at all.

SSB4 caters to newer characters more than older ones. Out of the 15 newcomers, only 5 are classic characters (2 being 3rd parties & 2 using more recent designs) and only Duck Hunt has not been in a major game in the past 10 years. Dixie has a slightly better chance than K.Rool, for being used in DKCTF, I would sooner expect Bandana Dee & Dixie than Dixie & K.Rool. It's not unreasonable to think we could get a new DK & a new Kirby character. Two DK characters is stretching it unless one of them was a clone, which is possible. But it still ignores that K.Rool really doesn't mesh with the logic behind the rest of the newcomers.

As far as new reps for returning series go, we have 2 new Mario, 2 new Fire Emblem, 2 new Kid Icarus & 1 new Pokemon. We lost 2 entire series, 2 Pokemon, 1 MOTHER & 1 Star Fox. I don't think anyone else is getting 2 reps added, not just DK.

But to be real, I don't think we're getting anyone else, at least not until/unless the Wii U theory rings true.
 

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To be completely fair, if Kirby was to get a 4th rep (and you can't say it's not possible, seeing as Fire Emblem has 4 and Kid Icarus has 3), it would be Bandana Dee. He's slowly become a real character and is now a staple that appears alongside Kirby, Dedede & Meta Knight, and he's going to be in the new clay Kirby on Wii U, along with recolors. So it's not like he's not a popular/prominent thing in the series. And normal Waddle Dees don't really count against him (like R.O.B. in Subspace).

And it IS one of Sakurai's series, so it's not out of the question at all.

SSB4 caters to newer characters more than older ones. Out of the 15 newcomers, only 5 are classic characters (2 being 3rd parties & 2 using more recent designs) and only Duck Hunt has not been in a major game in the past 10 years. Dixie has a slightly better chance than K.Rool, for being used in DKCTF, I would sooner expect Bandana Dee & Dixie than Dixie & K.Rool. It's not unreasonable to think we could get a new DK & a new Kirby character. Two DK characters is stretching it unless one of them was a clone, which is possible. But it still ignores that K.Rool really doesn't mesh with the logic behind the rest of the newcomers.

As far as new reps for returning series go, we have 2 new Mario, 2 new Fire Emblem, 2 new Kid Icarus & 1 new Pokemon. We lost 2 entire series, 2 Pokemon, 1 MOTHER & 1 Star Fox. I don't think anyone else is getting 2 reps added, not just DK.

But to be real, I don't think we're getting anyone else, at least not until/unless the Wii U theory rings true.
I do not disagree with any of that.
But the list he made was about 'serious contenders,' which to me, is not 'people you could make a pretty good case for,' because if that is the reasoning, there are quite a few more. I believe the list referred to characters heavily considered to be the remaining ones on the roster.

Regardless, it's done.
 

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Someone is bound to leak something though.
I wouldn't hold your breath. Embargos are actually pretty serious business when they're broken because it's a lot easier to catch the leaker (It's a handful of people at a media event versus hundreds of Nintendo employees). Also, when Embargos get intentionally broken, new organizations start getting blacklisted from events. So, if someone DOES leak during an Embargo, it's in their best interest to rat the leaker out if they know something. It's just all in all not worth the risk if you want your review/reporting site to go anywhere.

Side note: The only Nintendo embargo I could find news of being broken was a Wonderful 101 one by the Guardian, and it was a complete accident by their webmaster that was removed in 5 minutes.
 

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So it doesn't sound like we will hear anything from the secret PAX meeting GameXplain tweeted that the embargo is signed until September 13th.

http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/c...appened_at_the_round_table_event_held_at_pax/

This most likely tells me that it was the final roster with everyone unlocked. I was hoping he could give us some hints like you will definitely be getting more characters and stages.
 

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So it doesn't sound like we will hear anything from the secret PAX meeting GameXplain tweeted that the embargo is signed until September 13th.

http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/c...appened_at_the_round_table_event_held_at_pax/

This most likely tells me that it was the final roster with everyone unlocked. I was hoping he could give us some hints like you will definitely be getting more characters and stages.
It does seem likely that they saw the final roster. Now we just have to wait.
 

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There's still people thinking the leak is fake, even on Facebook's Smash Bros. page and I think they have always been in denial and I think they're grasping the straws too hard. :facepalm:

kinda like this:

 

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My take on this: The videos are real, no doubt about that. Bowser Jr is confirmed imho. The only problem I have are Dark Pit and Dr. Mario. We have only seen pictures of them. Wasn't it confirmed that these pictures were leaked by different people? I think it's still most likely true, but Dr. Mario and Dark Pit are not set in stone yet, imho.
 

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My take on this: The videos are real, no doubt about that. Bowser Jr is confirmed imho. The only problem I have are Dark Pit and Dr. Mario. We have only seen pictures of them. Wasn't it confirmed that these pictures were leaked by different people? I think it's still most likely true, but Dr. Mario and Dark Pit are not set in stone yet, imho.
Shulk confirms that the picture is real too since he has the same exact official render as the one in the leaked picture. Also, these pictures were leaked in a group of pictures that had different modes and stuff which were confirmed through pics of the day later. So the leaked pic is 99% likely to be real.
 

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My take on this: The videos are real, no doubt about that. Bowser Jr is confirmed imho. The only problem I have are Dark Pit and Dr. Mario. We have only seen pictures of them. Wasn't it confirmed that these pictures were leaked by different people? I think it's still most likely true, but Dr. Mario and Dark Pit are not set in stone yet, imho.
 

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I don't know what parts of this motley selection of leaks from a number of people who occasionally contradict each other.

If we are explicitly talking about the initial roster release with Bowser Jr. (as confirmed as can be without Sakurai giving the official seal), "Duck Hunt," Dr. Mario, and Dark Pit as the last additions from the Brawl Roster to Smash 3DS's (as Doctor isn't exactly a newcomer), I will be the skeptic and say I'm still not entirely sold.

There's just a list of... little off choices in design more than anything else that make me a non-believer more than anything.

I'll admit, part of this could be bias against Duck Hunt and Dr. Mario (because Dark Pit can have an original moveset of other Uprising weapons, an anti clone while Duck Hunt just looks so... "Disney" cheerful for being the creature that enraged so many classic gamers by mocking your ineptitude and this would mean bringing back bringing back the one clone of the six to not be directly (Ganondorf, Falco), indirectly (Young Link), planned to be at some point (Roy) in Brawl that wasn't objectively abysmal no matter how cute it was (Pichu).

Just... Dr. Mario still seems so weird to me being his own character again, when the vast majority of people saw/still see him as a poster child for Alternative Costumes.
 
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Ok yeah so that leak was fake, he was apparently messing with people in the thread. Not surprised, it would be stupid for any of them to break the NDA after what happened to the CSS leaker.
 

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What else is there to really say at this point? we might as well rename the thread to Leak Confirmed Real
 

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Just to add onto a point I forgot to for my last post and accidentally hit reply over Edit... I'm tired.

Let's assume that there are 5 characters left to be seen. I believe Sakurai stated at some point there may not be even as many newcomers to Sm4sh than from Melee to Brawl (18). At this point we know 14 officially confirmed. With Bowser Jr., that's 15. Dark Pit and Duck Hunt would make 17. Thus, of the 5 mystery slots, we would have a few newcomers as possible. :popo:+:wolf:+:lucas: would put us to the 3 cuts that most people accepted before this leak, and the room for two newcomers still. Throwing in :mewtwomelee: would boost up to 18, tied to Brawl, and leave room for... the last part relevant to Gematsu: A Rhythm Heaven characters (Chorus Men may have been moved to Marshal as a design decision later on).
 
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Ok yeah so that leak was fake, he was apparently messing with people in the thread. Not surprised, it would be stupid for any of them to break the NDA after what happened to the CSS leaker.
Because why is ridley just randomly there? he's not in any of the leaks, besides the iffy one with him mewtwo and dixie, and seeing as there's no dixie mentioned in this pax leak post it all makes no sense.
 

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Just to add onto a point I forgot to for my last post and accidentally hit reply over Edit... I'm tired.

Let's assume that there are 5 characters left to be seen. I believe Sakurai stated at some point there may not be even as many newcomers to Sm4sh than from Melee to Brawl (18). At this point we know 14 officially confirmed. With Bowser Jr., that's 15. Dark Pit and Duck Hunt would make 17. Thus, of the 5 mystery slots, we would have a few newcomers as possible. :popo:+:wolf:+:lucas: would put us to the 3 cuts that most people accepted before this leak, and the room for two newcomers still. Throwing in :mewtwomelee: would boost up to 18, tied to Brawl, and leave room for... the last part relevant to Gematsu: A Rhythm Heaven characters (Chorus Men may have been moved to Marshal as a design decision later on).
He Also Said Clones won't be in this game and we would have no Namco Characters.....
Yeah Don't Listen to Jack**** When it comes To Sakurai :p
 

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He Also Said Clones won't be in this game and we would have no Namco Characters.....
Yeah Don't Listen to Jack**** When it comes To Sakurai :p
He never said there would be no Namco characters. He said that just because they help they don't get better chances of getting a character in Sm4sh. Maybe it was planned from the start that Pac-Man is in.
 

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What does it say? I can't get to 4chan from the place i am at >_<
"This is what we saw: Bowser Jr (same as leak),
Duck Hunt Dog (Ducks on his back, jokingly called Banjo by a rep)
Dark Pit: Sniper Item, Clone
Dr Mario: Same
Shulk: Saw him this morning
Ridley: Flying mechanic, not much shown but they needed to show all characters
Chorus Men: One is the main one while the others assist in attacks
Mewtwo: May not be in final game, he isn't in the final Japanese build, but may be in Day One patch if finished, if not, then free DLC

"New" 3DS will release 2015 in NA

Circle Pad Pro Support for Smash 3DS

Most of the time was spent with each groups Nintendo rep showing off characters, menus, and customs."

Posted: 08/29/14(Fri)21:29:29

EDIT: And Dixie.
 
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Oh boy...here we go...:http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/260601873/pax-leak

As much as I want to believe this it seems very unlikley that someone would be dumb enough to try and leak what was shown.
Fake or not, this stills comes up with Ninka, but it's missing Dixie.

The Mewtwo not complete talk also is VERY strange. Why show it then? The Mario Kart events had no words on DLC and new characters when events like this happened.
 

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"This is what we saw: Bowser Jr (same as leak),
Duck Hunt Dog (Ducks on his back, jokingly called Banjo by a rep)
Dark Pit: Sniper Item, Clone
Dr Mario: Same
Shulk: Saw him this morning
Ridley: Flying mechanic, not much shown but they needed to show all characters
Chorus Men: One is the main one while the others assist in attacks
Mewtwo: May not be in final game, he isn't in the final Japanese build, but may be in Day One patch if finished, if not, then free DLC

"New" 3DS will release 2015 in NA

Circle Pad Pro Support for Smash 3DS

Most of the time was spent with each groups Nintendo rep showing off characters, menus, and customs."

Posted: 08/29/14(Fri)21:29:29
He also Says In the comments that Dixie was on the CSS
 

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Fake or not, this stills comes up with Ninka, but it's missing Dixie.

The Mewtwo not complete talk also is VERY strange. Why show it then? The Mario Kart events had no words on DLC and new characters when events like this happened.
He specifically says "Mewtwo may not be finished in time." That implies he's nearly finished but probably a little buggy and they have to bugtest him more. That's completely different from MK8 DLC which is more focused around creating new content and adding it into the game instead of finishing up unfinished projects.
 

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"This is what we saw: Bowser Jr (same as leak),
Duck Hunt Dog (Ducks on his back, jokingly called Banjo by a rep)
Dark Pit: Sniper Item, Clone
Dr Mario: Same
Shulk: Saw him this morning
Ridley: Flying mechanic, not much shown but they needed to show all characters
Chorus Men: One is the main one while the others assist in attacks
Mewtwo: May not be in final game, he isn't in the final Japanese build, but may be in Day One patch if finished, if not, then free DLC

"New" 3DS will release 2015 in NA

Circle Pad Pro Support for Smash 3DS

Most of the time was spent with each groups Nintendo rep showing off characters, menus, and customs."

Posted: 08/29/14(Fri)21:29:29

EDIT: And Dixie.
This is fake, the "leaker" have the same tripcode as the "leaker" who leaked this:



http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/260601873/pax-leak#p260609678
 

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He specifically says "Mewtwo may not be finished in time." That implies he's nearly finished but probably a little buggy and they have to bugtest him more. That's completely different from MK8 DLC which is more focused around creating new content and adding it into the game instead of finishing up unfinished projects.
Still, this implies that they are still working on a character, and it's too late to add him on the japanese version (that's means he is not in there). Means he was supposede to be core.
If he was suppose to turn into DLC, that's extra content, and it's strange they mention that to the media at all. I don't buy it.

EDIT: Also one more thing. If mewtwo is not in the japanese version, and the emgargo goes until japanese release, that means everyone would be able to mention mewtwo in the japanese release.
C'mon now that's very bad marketing.
 
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Yeah what is this? The third time he's posted like this? (!e64Icq9a.U)
I don't know many times s/he posted with that tripcode, but s/he posted a fake leak once, so there is no reason to believe in the new "leak".
 

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I think the css we saw is final. Since Nintendo has to show esrb everything so they can check why would they have left characters off it.
 

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I think the css we saw is final. Since Nintendo has to show esrb everything so they can check why would they have left characters off it.
Nintendo does not need to show the ESRB everything, they only need to show the extremes which in this case were the trophies of Tharja, Candy Kong and Tiki, and the other side would be Bowser Jr. this is so they can decide if its Cartoon Violence or Mild Violence.
 

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Just to add onto a point I forgot to for my last post and accidentally hit reply over Edit... I'm tired.

Let's assume that there are 5 characters left to be seen. I believe Sakurai stated at some point there may not be even as many newcomers to Sm4sh than from Melee to Brawl (18). At this point we know 14 officially confirmed. With Bowser Jr., that's 15. Dark Pit and Duck Hunt would make 17. Thus, of the 5 mystery slots, we would have a few newcomers as possible. :popo:+:wolf:+:lucas: would put us to the 3 cuts that most people accepted before this leak, and the room for two newcomers still. Throwing in :mewtwomelee: would boost up to 18, tied to Brawl, and leave room for... the last part relevant to Gematsu: A Rhythm Heaven characters (Chorus Men may have been moved to Marshal as a design decision later on).
A couple of problems here.

Firstly, if Sakurai said we may not get as many newcomers as last time, he said so early in development (I'm pretty sure he hasn't said anything like that recently, at least). Therefore Dark Pit and Lucina would not factor into his considerations as they were last minute additions. So that actually only puts us at 15 newcomers for the purposes of this discussion.

Secondly, Mewtwo is a veteran, not a newcomer. That means that even accounting for his inclusion, we'd still be at 15 newcomers.

So if Sakurai is aiming for as many/fewer newcomers than Brawl, we could still get at least 3 more before we reach that limit, and Mewtwo wouldn't count towards it.

I think the css we saw is final. Since Nintendo has to show esrb everything so they can check why would they have left characters off it.
This has been brought up in the thread before. Nintendo don't have to show the ESRB everything so long a) they tell them what else is in the game; and b) that content isn't any worse than anything they've already been shown.

Edit: :4greninja:'d on this part.
 
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