Potential Leaked Roster Surfaces

[SS-bros14]

I stated when I read Gematsu. "If Pac-Man, Mii, and Chrom are playable, and both Palutena and Micaiah aren't I will not buy this game." But since it's just Pac-Man and Mii, Palutena is enough to balance this horrid roster.

'Cough'Opinion'cough'

 

[ShaDoW4408]

I stated when I read Gematsu. "If Pac-Man, Mii, and Chrom are playable, and both Palutena and Micaiah aren't I will not buy this game." But since it's just Pac-Man and Mii, Palutena is enough to balance this horrid roster.

You honestly believed Miciah would be in this game lol thats funny but we can all dream right even though that dream probably won't happen. And besides the real roster we have right now is ok we dont know how balanced it is until we get the game and play it ourselves.

 

[SS-bros14]

I can't get a link, but it was on that CoroCoro released the 12th or 14th. Also, the circle thing isn't traditional Smash and wasn't seen on the initial picture for the games mode, so it must be unlockable...

Or it's that Streetpass minigame.

 

[NATGamer]

I stated when I read Gematsu. "If Pac-Man, Mii, and Chrom are playable, and both Palutena and Micaiah aren't I will not buy this game." But since it's just Pac-Man and Mii, Palutena is enough to balance this horrid roster.

Why are you even on Smashboards?

 

[CrimsonYoshi]

Or it's that Streetpass minigame.

Possibly, but there was one other mode that I remember wasn't on the initial games screen, and yet again, the magazine SAID unlockable modes would be in it.

 

[neohopeSTF]

What is the thing in the picture with ness and duck hunt? (its at the top)

 

[ChikoLad]

I don't know what else I can say to convince you that you don't know anything about image manipulation. No amount of going on about a similar Wario picture is ever going to actually mean anything, let alone prove anything.

You can't just take a blatantly questionable thing and pretend it means nothing, and then wave your so called Photoshop knowledge around (as if it even means anything in relation to the Wario picture) like it's a medal.

I know Photoshop, I study it in college, and have done my fair share of experimentation with it over the summer. And I can say I don't know why you think the Wario point means anything in relation to Photoshop.

The problem with the Wario image (and the Ganondorf one) is that it not only looks strikingly similar to previous images of him (because that is negligible to an extent), but you can see that the texturing detail is just like it was in Brawl. It's on the realistic, dull side. The Smash 4 characters look a lot more colourful, and generally look well differentiated from their Brawl artwork or CGI models due to the shift in art style.

While characters having past renders that have similar if not identical poses to their Smash 4 renders is not unheard of:

Spoiler

There is ALWAYS a noticeable difference in how they are textured and proportioned. Wario and Ganondorf are looking exactly like their Brawl selves and look very out of place. Falco also looks identical in proportion of the face but the leaker managed to remember to colour him a little brighter.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Are you like, a parody?

Nope haha. I wanted Mewtwo, King K, a female or a mage from fire emblem, and Palutena. That's literally all I wanted.

 

[ShaDoW4408]

Nope haha. I wanted Mewtwo, King K, a female or a mage from fire emblem, and Palutena. That's literally all I wanted.

I think you are a parody stop lying and show us your try form fiend!

 

[AceMan]

This list is no doubt a fake. Wasn't this game supposed to have about the same characters as brawl? This list claims there are about ten more! Also the characters are hard to believe, R.O.B. is in and Snake is out? WHAT THE ****!?!? Sure Snake is from an M rated series and doesn't exactly fit with Nintendo All-Stars and a lot of his games never even make it to Nintendo consoles but R.O.B. isn't even a real video game character! It was a failed experiment for the NES!Duck Hunt Dog in smash? That's barely more likely than Banjo and Kazooie in the new smash game! If it was in Smash it would be another Ice Climbers which pretty much makes it a waste of time to cut them and make a clone! Also, Dark Pit is debatable, he appeared in Palutena's reveal trailer, but if he actually is in the game, what will he be? A Pit clone? What seals the nail on the ****ing coffin is the fact Mewtwo has a question mark over it! Really? Weren't the characters decided a long, long while back, before the game even started development or around that time!? I can't understand why people believe this! If this does turn out to be the list, then that'll be as ironic as the AVGN Chronologically Confused episode where he makes fun of what the fourth Rambo would be called!

 

[BADGRAPHICS]

You can't just take a blatantly questionable thing and pretend it means nothing, and then wave your so called Photoshop knowledge around (as if it even means anything in relation to the Wario picture) like it's a medal.

I know Photoshop, I study it in college, and have done my fair share of experimentation with it over the summer. And I can say I don't know why you think the Wario point means anything in relation to Photoshop.

The problem with the Wario image (and the Ganondorf one) is that it not only looks strikingly similar to previous images of him (because that is negligible to an extent), but you can see that the texturing detail is just like it was in Brawl. It's on the realistic, dull side. The Smash 4 characters look a lot more colourful, and generally look well differentiated from their Brawl artwork or CGI models due to the shift in art style.

While characters having past renders that have similar if not identical poses to their Smash 4 renders is not unheard of:

Spoiler

There is ALWAYS a noticeable difference in how they are textured and proportioned. Wario and Ganondorf are looking exactly like their Brawl selves and look very out of place. Falco also looks identical in proportion of the face but the leaker managed to remember to colour him a little brighter.

I hear ya, bro. But seriously, that Wario pic doesn't indicate anything. It's similar, not the same. If you know how to use Photoshop, you should know that doesn't actually mean anything.

C'mon, now.

 

[~Burst~]

Jiggs is right there next to lucario.

 

[Abyssal Lagiacrus]

Exactly, because it's fake.
Honestly though, the guy posted pics. Can't he post videos too?

I'm not quite grasping why almost every one of your posts here is 100% asserting that this whole thing is fake while laughing at everyone who thinks it's real, makes you seem like you're superiorizing yourself over others.

There's nothing wrong with healthy discussion about something like this, but it's really old at this point seeing every other post be people laughing at others for having thoughts of it being real, or basically saying "lol it's 100% fake."

 

[Deleted member]

This list is no doubt a fake. Wasn't this game supposed to have about the same characters as brawl? This list claims there are about ten more! Also the characters are hard to believe, R.O.B. is in and Jiggs is out?

Jigglypuff isn't cut. She's right next to Lucario.

 

[ShaDoW4408]

I'm not quite grasping why almost every one of your posts here is 100% asserting that this whole thing is fake while laughing at everyone who thinks it's real, makes you seem like you're superiorizing yourself over others.

There's nothing wrong with healthy discussion about something like this, but it's really old at this point seeing every other post be people laughing at others for having thoughts of it being real, or basically saying "lol it's 100% fake."

Well he is probably saying that because this topic has been discussed to death and people have given so many opinions and supported there side on whether they believe it or not to the point that what the heck else is there to say other than repeating what's been said or trying to find something out of place which is pretty hard now since its been look at over and over.

 

[ChikoLad]

I hear ya, bro. But seriously, that Wario pic doesn't indicate anything. It's similar, not the same. If you know how to use Photoshop, you should know that doesn't actually mean anything.

C'mon, now.

Except Photoshop doesn't mean much here.

To me, that Wario image looks like a frame ripped right out of an SSE cutscene. Just use the quick selection tool and you're set, wouldn't even need to cover up any blemishes since the camera quality is so poor.

That's actually another thing about these photographic leaks - they always look like they were taken with the 2 megapixel or less kind of phones I would use nearly a decade ago. We live in the age of HD retina display smartphones, getting a clear photo of a handheld system ain't that hard:

If I bothered to do it with my 3DS it would look even clearer since the display is better than the DS Lite above.

Yet, these leaks are so terribly obscured, as if someone took them while running a marathon.

 

[The Light Music Club]

I think you are a parody stop lying and show us your try form fiend!

You should seriously look at my old posts. I was 100% serious. Why would I buy a fighting game if I didn't like the roster?

 

[Abyssal Lagiacrus]

Well he is probably saying that because this topic has been discussed to death and people have given so many opinions and supported there side on whether they believe it or not to the point that what the heck else is there to say other than repeating what's been said or trying to find something out of place which is pretty hard now since its been look at over and over.

Even so, it seems pointless to just sit here and repeat over and over again that "it's totally 100% fake and that it's funny how people think it's real."

Not really much to disprove or prove; I'm on the neutral platform in this whole mess but I'm amazed how many things have been said/shown and had people flock to it and use it to say 100% fake or 100% real.

Most, if not all, of discussion in this thread is opinionated. Literally nothing brought up here makes this leak true/false unless it's officially stated by Sakurai. There's no basis to build yourself up on a pedestal over others just because your opinion is that it's fake/real.

 

[ShaDoW4408]

You should seriously look at my old posts. I was 100% serious. Why would I buy a fighting game if I didn't like the roster?

Lol im just messing with yah you just have an unpopular opinion thats all.

 

[BADGRAPHICS]

Except Photoshop doesn't mean much here.

To me, that Wario image looks like a frame ripped right out of an SSE cutscene. Just use the quick selection tool and you're set, wouldn't even need to cover up any blemishes since the camera quality is so poor.

That's actually another thing about these photographic leaks - they always look like they were taken with the 2 megapixel or less kind of phones I would use nearly a decade ago. We live in the age of HD retina display smartphones, getting a clear photo of a handheld system ain't that hard:

Since the Wario pictures are slightly different, there's nothing more that can be ascertained. Yeah, it could be a shop, but it could also just be a coincidentally similar image. No way of knowing.

 

[SS-bros14]

I'm not quite grasping why almost every one of your posts here is 100% asserting that this whole thing is fake while laughing at everyone who thinks it's real, makes you seem like you're superiorizing yourself over others.

There's nothing wrong with healthy discussion about something like this, but it's really old at this point seeing every other post be people laughing at others for having thoughts of it being real, or basically saying "lol it's 100% fake."

I'm sorry, what?
1. I've stated some times that this could be real, so I'm not like '100% fake.'
2. Is the laughing emote now offensive? I post the emote because I like it and to symbolize I'm being silly. It's not meant to symbolize I'm laughing at others, I post it because just saying 'Fake.' makes me sound silly. I still think it's fake, but I use the emote because me just saying 'Fake' is silly.
3. There are a bunch of posts here, calling people 'ignorant', 'delusive', ect., and when I use the laughing emote... I'm somehow bad?

 

[ShaDoW4408]

Even so, it seems pointless to just sit here and repeat over and over again that "it's totally 100% fake and that it's funny how people think it's real."

Not really much to disprove or prove; I'm on the neutral platform in this whole mess but I'm amazed how many things have been said/shown and had people flock to it and use it to say 100% fake or 100% real.

Most, if not all, of discussion in this thread is opinionated. Literally nothing brought up here makes this leak true/false unless it's officially stated by Sakurai. There's no basis to build yourself up on a pedestal over others just because your opinion is that it's fake/real.

Yeah I get where your coming from in the beginning this thread made a lot more sense but now its mostly people saying that its fake with no reason why or its real with no reason why. Im more on the side of it being fake but most of all I just want a new PotD to proove whether this is real or not so this madness will stop

 

[The Light Music Club]

Lol im just messing with yah you just have an unpopular opinion thats all.

It's cause I hate main stream games like Zelda and Super Mario. I prefer stuff like Danganronpa, Fire Emblem, and The World Ends With You.


Yes Fire Emblem still isn't main stream.

 

[ChikoLad]

Since the Wario pictures are slightly different, there's nothing more that can be ascertained. Yeah, it could be a shop, but it could also just be a coincidentally similar image. No way of knowing.

Did you not just read what I said about how it looks like a frame from an SSE cutscene?

I didn't mean a specific one. I mean the model looks so identical to the CGI model he had in Brawl, that you could take any SSE cutscene and take a frame from it, and make it look like a Smash 4 render or use it on a CSS. Any (extremely likely) blemishes would be obscured by the terrible photo quality and the small nature of the CSS icon.

I also already pointed out how even Gmod could be used to make a believable render (much earlier in the topic though...it's been collecting comments like wildfire).

 

[ShaDoW4408]

It's cause I hate main stream games like Zelda and Super Mario. I prefer stuff like Danganronpa, Fire Emblem, and The World Ends With You.


Yes Fire Emblem still isn't main stream.

WHAT how is fire emblem still not mainstream I've been playing fire emblem forever im even into playing hacked version where people made there own story. ( some are pretty good) This is a first to me but im pretty sure Awakening will help the franchise gain more popularity since Lucina and Robin are in smash 4.

 

[neohopeSTF]

WHAT how is fire emblem still not mainstream I've been playing fire emblem forever im even into playing hacked version where people made there own story. ( some are pretty good) This is a first to me but im pretty sure Awakening will help the franchise gain more popularity since Lucina and Robin are in smash 4.

FE:A moved it to mainstream appeal imo. Awakening is still bad though

 

[BADGRAPHICS]

Did you not just read what I said about how it looks like a frame from an SSE cutscene?

I didn't mean a specific one. I mean the model looks so identical to the CGI model he had in Brawl, that you could take any SSE cutscene and take a frame from it, and make it look like a Smash 4 render or use it on a CSS. Any (extremely likely) blemishes would be obscured by the terrible photo quality and the small nature of the CSS icon.

I also already pointed out how even Gmod could be used to make a believable render (much earlier in the topic though...it's been collecting comments like wildfire).

Yeah, I saw the SSE frame. It doesn't look the same to me.

 

[ShaDoW4408]

FE:A moved it to mainstream appeal imo. Awakening is still bad though

I agree with you on that one the story didn't really mean to much to me and im pretty much ran my way through that game since hard mode is a normal for me was way to easy unlike PoR which is my fave game

 

[The Light Music Club]

Except Photoshop doesn't mean much here.

To me, that Wario image looks like a frame ripped right out of an SSE cutscene. Just use the quick selection tool and you're set, wouldn't even need to cover up any blemishes since the camera quality is so poor.

That's actually another thing about these photographic leaks - they always look like they were taken with the 2 megapixel or less kind of phones I would use nearly a decade ago. We live in the age of HD retina display smartphones, getting a clear photo of a handheld system ain't that hard:

If I bothered to do it with my 3DS it would look even clearer since the display is better than the DS Lite above.

Yet, these leaks are so terribly obscured, as if someone took them while running a marathon.

See what I don't understand about the picture quality is that ESRB watches the game on a DVD, so how was he able to take that close of a zoom on the screen without having a smart phone? He'd get noticed otherwise.

 

[ChikoLad]

Yeah, I saw the SSE frame. It doesn't look the same to me.

I said it could be ANY SSE frame.

Obviously it would be nigh impossible to find the exact one used (or at least would take way more time than it's worth) since there could be hundreds or thousands of frames across the entire SSE of Wario alone, but what the leaker essentially did was take a random frame of Wario from an SSE cutscene (or even the E3 2005 trailer for Brawl) and cut it out and used it in this CSS, thinking people wouldn't recognise it as it's not part of a render. But he forgot to change the colouring and texturing to match the rest of the roster, and the lack of proportional or stylistic change is really jarring. All other veterans have changed, Wario didn't here, nor did Ganondorf.

See what I don't understand about the picture quality is that ESRB watches the game on a DVD, so how was he able to take that close of a zoom on the screen without having a smart phone? He'd get noticed otherwise.

My issue is that you can't even see a TV Border. Looks like these photos were taken from within Photoshop to me, like so:

 

[The Light Music Club]

I said it could be ANY SSE frame.

Obviously it would be nigh impossible to find the exact one used (or at least would take way more time than it's worth) since there could be hundreds or thousands of frames across the entire SSE of Wario alone, but what the leaker essentially did was take a random frame of Wario from an SSE cutscene (or even the E3 2005 trailer for Brawl) and cut it out and used it in this CSS, thinking people wouldn't recognise it as it's not part of a render. But he forgot to change the colouring and texturing to match the rest of the roster, and the lack of proportional or stylistic change is really jarring. All other veterans have changed, Wario didn't here, nor did Ganondorf.



My issue is that you can't even see a TV Border. Looks like these photos were taken from within Photoshop to me, like so:

Yeah. Also look at the edge of Fox (left) and there is grey before black. By ROB (right) that grey spot isn't there. Almost like it's not center on the screen.

Oh and I just noticed Olimar has a different icon. It also shows FPs are grey so that's not what Ness and Duck Hunt are.

 

[Chico2099]

I just heard from a friend that the dog and duck models were actually modded banjo and kazooie models. Not sure if there is evidence to back that up but, just thought I would share that if anyone is interested in following up on that.

 

[SS-bros14]

I just heard from a friend that the dog and duck models were actually modded banjo and kazooie models. Not sure if there is evidence to back that up but, just thought I would share that if anyone is interested in following up on that.

Maybe they are, I'll go look at some some Banjo and Kazooie pics.

 

[Gam3rALO]

I defiently think it is fake. Only thing i like is the fact Duck hunt Dog is on the roster, which I am surprising fine with.

 

[Abyssal Lagiacrus]

I'm sorry, what? 1. I've stated some times that this could be real, so I'm not like '100% fake.'

Just a couple posts found within just the past couple pages:

It means it's fake.

Exactly, because it's fake.

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2. Is the laughing emote now offensive? I post the emote because I like it and to symbolize I'm being silly. It's not meant to symbolize I'm laughing at others, I post it because just saying 'Fake.' makes me sound silly. I still think it's fake, but I use the emote because me just saying 'Fake' is silly.

I'm sorry that I was wrong on that, I was just offering what I was feeling from your posts, and silliness definitely isn't one of them since you always claim fake with laughing faces when someone says something about "this could be real" or "this is evidence that it's fake"

3. There are a bunch of posts here, calling people 'ignorant', 'delusive', ect., and when I use the laughing emote... I'm somehow bad?

I wish you wouldn't automatically pull the victim card and assume I'm saying you're worse than those who are insulting others. I didn't compare you to others.

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All I'm trying to say in all this, is that since there's no official proof for or against this leak, there's no ground to go around "officially stating that it's all fake because of x reason"
(Especially since most people do so in a snide manner, and it's getting quite offputting.)

 

[SS-bros14]

I just heard from a friend that the dog and duck models were actually modded banjo and kazooie models. Not sure if there is evidence to back that up but, just thought I would share that if anyone is interested in following up on that.

Looked through some Banjo and Kazzoie pics. So far, nothing that looks like this Duck Hunt model. I'll keep looking though.

 

[Mewter]

My issue is that you can't even see a TV Border. Looks like these photos were taken from within Photoshop to me, like so:

Actually, funny you should say that. A couple of hours ago, I was looking at the main CSS photo and used what looked to be the reflection of the picture off a glossy surface to determine whether or not the top row was rearranged in some photo editing program in between having the picture taken and leaked (to me it appears it was not altered in that time frame).* So it appears there is a physical frame of some kind around the image. For the "level" one with Ness, there may be a frame too, but I'm not completely sure (you can see what may be the reflection of a phone taken from a high angle).

*This of course only applies if someone didn't draw that reflection in/remembered to change the reflection, though it appears to be an authentic reflection.

 

[Zero Suit Wario]

Maybe it is. I actually think the DLC thing is less believable than the roster. Sakurai wouldn't do DLC in a million years lol.

I agree, there's so much speculation on DLC but I just don't see it happening.

 

[SS-bros14]

Just a couple posts found within just the past couple pages:




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I'm sorry that I was wrong on that, I was just offering what I was feeling from your posts, and silliness definitely isn't one of them since you always claim fake with laughing faces when someone says something about "this could be real" or "this is evidence that it's fake"



I wish you wouldn't automatically pull the victim card and assume I'm saying you're worse than those who are insulting others. I didn't compare you to others.

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All I'm trying to say in all this, is that since there's no official proof for or against this leak, there's no ground to go around "officially stating that it's all fake because of x reason"
(Especially since most people do so in a snide manner, and it's getting quite offputting.)

1. Just because I said a couple times it's fake, doesn't mean I'm saying 'It's 100% fake.' once again, I'm just being silly when I say 'fake'. Obviously I still think it's fake, but just saying 'fake' is quite silly, right?
2. I know you're not comparing me to those, but honestly, why comment on me and not them?
3. Like I said, I've stated a couple times it could be real, so don't just assume I'm one of those like 'It's 100% fake.'

 

[The Light Music Club]

Can someone measure the width of Fox's box with robs ? I don't know how to go about it, but I want to confirm something.