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Diddy+Dixie was ACTUALLY planned for Brawl! But, Sakurai and the team couldn't figure out how it would work. Let's be honest, it would be kind of weird. Baby Mario and Yoshi unfortunately would never happen. Yoshi would HAVE to be a standalone character. By the way, did you predict that when YNI was released?
King K. Rool has a little bit of a chance, we got a new DK representative in Brawl, so why not now.
Frankly, I think Sakurai MIGHT have decided to pick Lloyd over Pac-Man, but I didn't throw Lloyd into my predictions because my predictions are iffy enough as is and Lloyd would've added fuel to the fire. But in all honesty Lloyd would be a far better choice than Pac-Man in all areas except for how iconic he is in comparison to Pac-Man, and picking out a moveset for Lloyd would be insanely easy compared to coming up with an original moveset for Pac-Man that doesn't just feel like Pac-Man is a semi-clone of Sonic.
Hmm, I don't think Ice Climbers will be before E3 now haha. That was Ike. So now I think we may see them at E3.
Sakurai has said already if Namco ever gets a rep it's going to be Pac-man plain and simple (possibly go the Megaman route by modernizing Pac-man's Classic look and it can be done), Pac-man is far more wanted as a playable character than Lloyd is (since he fits in the game better than Lloyd (who's just another swordsman who could possibly end up as a semi Pit clone, but without wings (mostly in ground attacks) and since we have Mario, Sonic and Megaman all in 1 game it's fair to let Pac-man join them as the 1 who started gaming as it is, plus throwing Lloyd into the roster would destroy the games chances to sell well (Mario, Sonic, Megaman, and Lloyd doesn't mesh well at all (since Lloyd's not a Namco mascot which stops Lloyd's inclusion altogether, where as Pac-man is), it's going to be Pac-man, it's either him or no Namco rep at all (Klonoa could fit in since he resembles Sonic to a degree, but he's very unlikely just as Lloyd is).
Have you even played Tales? Lloyd would be completely unique, he's NOTHING at all like Pit whatsoever, but whatever, that's besides the point. Where has Sakurai stated this anywhere? I certainly haven't seen it. The only thing Sakurai EVER said about Namco is that they won't be given a major focus.
Tales is not a huge franchise and never was to begin with (yes it did get it's start on Nintendo's Gamecube system, but remember Lloyd is not Namco's mascot and to get in 3rd party has to be a significance presence to Nintendo and the Tales series hasn't had that in a long time (they had what like 3-4 games?), face it Lloyd's not getting in (especially with Pac-man still available), he will never be in Smash Bros (unless he's an assist trophy which I'll be more than happy since that's where he should be), no matter how big of a presence he is to Nintendo (his presence isn't that big compared to Pac-man), Pac-man is far bigger than Lloyd (game wise) and is even the favorite of some Nintendo exces, he's also a legendary mascot and brought gaming into what it is today, (a Smash game featuring Mario, Sonic, Megaman and Pac-man would be a legendary event never done in any video game seeing the Big 4 mascot legends all in 1 game together if Lloyd got in the games will fail because of stupid Tales fanboys ruining the moment (even if Pac's moveset is bland, they will still find a way to make him a unique character, remember both games are getting balanced), plus no one wants Lloyd in as a playable character (he has nothing that can make him unique enough, he is just another sword character (we're going to get too many sword based fighters anyways since Meta Knight is likely returning, and Chrom and possibly Shulk might be getting in).
No one wants Lloyd Irving? I'm constantly seeing people request Lloyd Irving all the time, many would far prefer Lloyd to Pac-Man, and clearly you have no knowledge of the Tales franchise at all. Lloyd isn't just another sword user. Lloyd's dual wielding would be an entirely new mechanic to Smash Bros. and techniques in Tales games are very unique.
Street Fighter X Tekken is my biggest problem with Pac-Man. Namco, a major fighting game developer, couldn't even figure out what to do with him so they had to put him in a frickin' mech. Despite what some people thing, Sakurai doesn't pull movesets out of ass.
I 100% agree, swordsman are fine as long as they're from Nintendo (and that they don't clone off anyone).
Moldy Clay you sir speak the truth 100%, that should keep at least the Tales/Lloyd fanboys quiet for the moment with what you said in your post right there is proof that Lloyd doesn't stand a snowball's chance of landing a playable spot for these games (if anything he'll be an assist trophy that's where he should likely be for the moment (see Minda, Skull Kid, Dillon, and Waluigi, even Wonder Red for examples, all 5 were amongst our most wanted lists for playable character till they got demoted to assist trophy, except for WR who's a regular trophy even if they don't make it in as part of the playable cast they're still in the game representing their franchises that all that matters for the most part, is that they're in the game regardless), that's why we have that Special Flag representing the assist trophies from Namco at 1st I thought it was a different unrelated item, then I slowly found out it was another version of the assist trophy, but for Namco characters only), but anyways back to Lloyd, Lloyd was only popular in 2 Tales games (both which were on Nintendo systems) which isn't enough exposure for him to even land a spot in the game (assist trophy is likely his best shot of appearing), Tales fanboys think he's iconic enough to go up against the likes of Mario, Sonic and Megaman, but the point is that he was never iconic to begin with (again the fanboys were the ones who made him think he was iconic and yet they think they have poof that Sakurai would choose Lloyd over Pac-man, because his moveset would be unique, point is that Pac-man would also have a unique moveset as well), Pac-man is iconic and is a legendary mascot who deserves a spot in the roster (and a moveset can be done for Pac easily and I'm sure Sakurai has already figured out how to balance him out), and is likely on the roster (which is why he's going to be the main E3 reveal), only reason I'm against the Tales franchise of landing a spot, is because it would literally be stealing Pac-man's only shot of getting in the game (unless his classic self is going to be a part of the Special Flag summons (we have Galaga already as the 1st 1 revealed, hard to say if Dig Dug (or 1 of his iconic enemies such as Pooka or Frygar) make it in, since they're just as iconic as Pac-man).
I'm not. I'm actually expecting Robin or hell perhaps even Roy, the arenas are based off of the GBA FE games more than any other.So I'm guessing you all are expecting Chrom because of the new Wii U stage.
Honestly, if Pacman mkes it in, I'm sure they will giv him a unique moveset. I was nervous how Sakurai would do Little Mac, but so far his moveset looks great.
i agree those three will most likely be kept secret, and be unlockable with luigi, but for the newcomers and vets im not sure about who'd i pick but yours looks good, i due believe pac must be announced at E3 or bust, no reason to keep a third party secret and not bring hype for a company thats giving a character to the game. im not going to touch ridley, snake, or mew2. lol theres so many point - counter points for those threeSince E3 will be the absolute best time to pull out the big guns for Smash 4, my predictions:
Veterans:
Newcomers: Pac Man and Ridley
I want so much to believe Ridley, but I really think we will know his fate officially in 4 days. And as you stated with third parties, this is Snake's (or Big Boss's) time to shine if he is in. I believe Mewtwo is in with all the facts that support him. Pac Man at this point is almost a given. These (along with the remaining veterans and K. Rool) are the only characters left that I truly want in. And thanks! I've been creeping around for a while, decided I should make my presence known lol.i agree those three will most likely be kept secret, and be unlockable with luigi, but for the newcomers and vets im not sure about who'd i pick but yours looks good, i due believe pac must be announced at E3 or bust, no reason to keep a third party secret and not bring hype for a company thats giving a character to the game. im not going to touch ridley, snake, or mew2. lol theres so many point - counter points for those three
And nice first post
I'd be down with this.Since E3 will be the absolute best time to pull out the big guns for Smash 4, my predictions:
Veterans:
Newcomers: Pac Man and Ridley
I know alot of people dont like the modern Pac, but i'm all for it, mario, sonic and mega man didn't look like the current version when i first grew up with them. but this isn't the place for Pac discussion so ill stop the Pac love before it gets off topic.
Namco includes the S Flag in every game they develop. I don't see what the difference is here. It doesn't suggest anything.
