Popcorn Mafia | town wins

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

So let me get this straight...

Cello has now adopted a new frivolous style, comes out quick to put Gheb on the spot, looking for direction, and then decides to "tunnel" tom in a half joking manner.

He then goes on to establish the discussed false dilemma that if me/Kev/Tom weren't chosen, at least one of us must be scum. Because apparently there is some reason we'd have a greater propensity to choose Gheb? Or is the contention still that me/Tom/Kev would be more likely to choose a gun-bearer at random? I'm seriously like confused as to what line of argument Cello is adhering to at this point.

TBQH I don't like the whole "go ahead shoot me so I can shoot X" type of presentation that Cello is using right now. People do it all the time in Vengeful and it really pisses me off because its just classic scum tactics. "Present yourself as eager to perform an action you cannot so as to suspend disbelief of the potential of that strong claim being a bluff, and do it early enough to minimize the arousal of doubt of such a claims integrity by minimizing the time available to construct said bluff." Biggest WIFOM muck of all time.

Honestly wouldn't be opposed to shooting Cello at this point just because he's confusing the hell out of me.

Insofar as the question concerning how scum hunting should be performed is concerned, I do agree with Tom. Though voting mechanics might be different (i.e. absent) I don't think the faction dynamics in this game are significantly different enough to warrant different scumhunting approaches.

And @ Gheb: Wouldn't your logic, though WIFOMy, at the most basic Yomi level, actually make me LESS likely to select you as a gunbearer? Since we tend to never agree on things, it makes for me to NOT give you the gun, because of your large propensity to cap my ***. But obviously LOL WIFOM because I could easily just pick you SO I can make that argument. Wooo.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

@Swords: So...how does that frame Tom, specifically? You said it that way, it must have been for a reason. You didn't say, "mafia could frame someone" or "mafia could frame Tom/Frozen/Kevin in Cello's eyes". You said Tom. Why Tom?

You particularly mentioned tom as being highest on your scum list. But same applies to Frozen/kevin really.

 

[KevinM]

I'm kind of ok with just letting Gheb random roll it LOL.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Kevin try a bit harder, please. Waiting to get shot into lylo without contributing anything isn't going to help us. I'm not shooting at random, especially not now. We've had some discussion already - I'd particularily like to know if you get Cello as scum as much as the others do.

Cello is not suspect to me. He generally has a habit of nudging me and I get town vibes from him. He just likes to push the smallest tells pretty hard (in that case vs Tom) and they are often wrong but that's how town Cello plays and that's good enough for me to not shoot him anytime soon.

I hope Hando will find time to contribute something soonish. The oral-sex hydra and scummoner should step their games up and comment on things that happen a lot more because neither of you have given us anything to work with so far.

@Swords

I don't agree with your current scumtells. I'm getting town vibes from Cello and I think it's too early to count Katalingo's "RVS" sillyness as suspect already. We've played this set-up on AIMafia many times and I think a lot of the general behaviour and attitude carries over. I'd find the Hydra more suspect if they continued to play that way.

 

[SummonerAU]

Gheb, would you like to know my own opinions on people at this point in time? I was sorta waiting for more people to post but I'm completely okay with doing it now, there just won't be much. If you don't want me to now, you get a coupon redeemable for one(1) free Summoner opinion on everyone sum up.

As gunbearer, what do you want everyone to be doing to help you out? Do you want us to just talk amongst ourselves like a normal mafia game or do you think a more unique approach is in order?

@Anyone who has played this before on AIM: What normally happens and what do you like/hate seeing in the game? What are some commonly used strategies by town/scum?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Gheb, would you like to know my own opinions on people at this point in time? I was sorta waiting for more people to post but I'm completely okay with doing it now, there just won't be much.

1.) Yes, I'd like you to do that. I'm particularily interested in your opinion on:

- Cello
- Swords' scumlist
- Frozen's post

2.) Hando is afaik the only player who hasn't posted yet.

3.) It doesn't have to be much to write. It's the content that matters.

As gunbearer, what do you want everyone to be doing to help you out? Do you want us to just talk amongst ourselves like a normal mafia game or do you think a more unique approach is in order?

I think I should act as some kind of a "discussion moderator". I'm 100% clear, I have the final decision and I have to be convinced - I don't have to prove anything to any of you.

My prefered approach would be to have you guys bring up thoughts and points among each other and I'm playing the "moderator". I'm watching discussion between two (or more) players, form an opinion on it, ask the players questions about it, try to put the main thoughts and points into shape and from time to time I'll post a summary and an opinion on it so I can have something easier to refer back to when the time has come to make a decision.

@Anyone who has played this before on AIM: What normally happens and what do you like/hate seeing in the game? What are some commonly used strategies by town/scum?

Can't compare these two. Aimafia Popcorn has only 6 players usually, Macman plays it and mucks everything up ... Aimafia Popcorn is really mucky and a comparision doesn't make sense because it simply doesn't apply.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Summoner, are you a girl or a boy?

 

[SummonerAU]

Boy. HOW IS THAT EVEN RELEVANT?

I think Cello is just trying to get us out of that start of the game so we have some stuff to talk about. I don't think his method of looking for scum is entirely 'accurate', but it's better than absolutely nothing. Some people still haven't posted yet and it's kinda annoying because I don't know what to do about it myself. My thoughts on Cello's alignment are still pretty neutral, but if I had to pick town/scum I'd go with town.

Swords 'scumlist' didn't really do much for me. I was just trying to get some activity going. I'm pretty sure that his list is basically 'I'm suspicious of 'x' because they want to shoot someone now' which I guess is fair enough. there hadn't even been 20 posts at that point and my question was pretty silly at the time.

Frozen's post is a little 'too' much for what has happened so far. I dunno if that's just Frozen though. Seems to be just a whole lot of WIFOMish stuff. Saying that though, I definitely like how he explains him/herself instead of just posting "Honestly wouldn't be opposed to shooting Cello at this point just because he's confusing the hell out of me." because I could see certain individuals doing just that.

 

[SuperKatalingo]

Aside from Cello, i'd have to say maybe Katalingo, as he wants gheb to shoot cello not long after the game has started.

sexy page 3 speaks for itself really... Don't know how serious you were actually being there. Why make your suspicions public so early in the game?

So Gheb... self-proclaimed discussion moderator - you're definitely quite vocal. The question is if you observe discussion in the way you intend, are you prone to post your own vocal thoughts into the heat of it all? Would you tell there and then amidst heated discussion who's going up, who's going down your opinion scale? Or would you be more 'neutral', making the game active and shifting discussion along objectively?

@Summoner: what does silly translate as? How are you viewing Swords? Also with you calling swords' scumlist silly, how silly do you think it was calling Cello town? Is this not, essentially, the same thing?

Aye good ol' food for thought.

SKLingo is an interchangeable transexual btw - May's a girl, Kat's (apparently surprisingly) a boy... interchangeable transexual it is! We're also Australian, hence the name

G'day to ya Handorin... post please!

 

[SuperKatalingo]

Oh just read - you didn't call it silly directly my bad - but the same questions still apply I suppose for curiosity's sake =) @summoner

 

[KevinM]

Gheb shoot someone that hasn't posted imo.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I think Cello is just trying to get us out of that start of the game so we have some stuff to talk about. I don't think his method of looking for scum is entirely 'accurate', but it's better than absolutely nothing. Some people still haven't posted yet and it's kinda annoying because I don't know what to do about it myself. My thoughts on Cello's alignment are still pretty neutral, but if I had to pick town/scum I'd go with town.

Keyword "trying": Do you think he succesfully got us out of that gane's part? How much do you think Tom contributed to get us there? Out of the people who posted so far who did in your opinion the best job (not by quantity but by quality) getting us there? Would you give that person "+townie points"? Would you give the others "+scum points"?

Swords 'scumlist' didn't really do much for me. I was just trying to get some activity going. I'm pretty sure that his list is basically 'I'm suspicious of 'x' because they want to shoot someone now' which I guess is fair enough. there hadn't even been 20 posts at that point and my question was pretty silly at the time.

Would you consider that pseudo-scumhunting on swords' part or an attempt to lead us out of the "RVS"? If swords' continued to push these cases would you still agree with him or would you find it suspect?

So Gheb... self-proclaimed discussion moderator - you're definitely quite vocal. The question is if you observe discussion in the way you intend, are you prone to post your own vocal thoughts into the heat of it all? Would you tell there and then amidst heated discussion who's going up, who's going down your opinion scale? Or would you be more 'neutral', making the game active and shifting discussion along objectively?

Definitely trying to play the latter.

Gheb shoot someone that hasn't posted imo.

No.

@Kevin

What do you think about the way we're handling the situation right now? Do you agree with me that me playing the role of the "moderator" is the right way to go? Is metagaming the way we're doing now bad for town or not? If so, do you think scum would try to support meta-gaming over real scumhunting? Is there anybody who has done so more than others?

 

[SummonerAU]

I was calling my own question silly.

I'm going to post my reply to questions at uni in around5 hours because posting at 6:37am makes my head hurt.

 

[KevinM]

What do you think about the way we're handling the situation right now? Do you agree with me that me playing the role of the "moderator" is the right way to go? Is metagaming the way we're doing now bad for town or not? If so, do you think scum would try to support meta-gaming over real scumhunting? Is there anybody who has done so more than others?

1. I think we're handling it completely wrong, I would have liked to not let you run discussion and instead play like normal. With you running it, it just feels artificial.

2. Metagaming is almost always not a good idea, especially in Dgames where all players know exactly how other players think. The whole "You have the gun meaning X and X and X must be one of the perps" is a terrible thing to lock yourself in.

3. Cello, but I'm leaning more towards awful town then anything else.

 

[SummonerAU]

Cello gave us something to talk about. I don't think we're entirely out of RVS until everyone posts at least once. Cello gave us something to talk about. I don't really think Tom did much except react to Cello, BUT that being said, he said what had to be said about Cello's logic and if he hadn't of said anything, it'll probably have been Cello saying people were scum and not much else beign said. Best person at doing it? i don't really think there was a 'best person' at doing it. I also try not to put 'points' on people so early on and I would be even less likely to put points on the people who helped to get us out of RVS. I know how much I suck at it and I'm not going to go after people for something I suck at.

I don't know Gheb, I don't think I know Swords well enough. At this point in time, I'd say it was trying to get us out of 'RVS' . I'd have to see the situation to see if Swords was sus or not if he kept pushing the situation.

 

[Handorin]

I posted v/la. I just got back.

I'll get around to posting something more of substance (maybe, I guess) once I can read all my other topics, then Pokemafia and this.

 

[Handorin]

@Swords, Summoner and Handorin: I lie when I'm town, but tell the truth (a way that can be interpreted as such, at least) when I'm scum. What do you think of that?

Sounds like you're bad at this game, tbh. (No offense intended)

What do you think about the way we're handling the situation right now? Do you agree with me that me playing the role of the "moderator" is the right way to go? Is metagaming the way we're doing now bad for town or not? If so, do you think scum would try to support meta-gaming over real scumhunting? Is there anybody who has done so more than others?

Going to add to this, because I feel like it
Discussion is good, but I don't know how you could play mod. If anything, you should be more of an observer, and then ask questions as you see things. You are clear, and anything you feel/thing already gets points, but if you let that get in the way, then everyone will be influenced more than we should let it. Let discussion happen.
Metagaming is important, but don't rely on it. It's wifom at best. I don't even know what "real scum hunting" is. Sounds like scum properganda. (Not calling you scum)

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

@Kev, why would we shoot someone who has not posted yet? You realize that if they're town we're handing the gun to someone who literally has done nothing all game right? Though I am aware of the danger of letting inactives coast 'till endgame, since they'll have to get the gun eventually if they get shot in endgame, which basically ****s us if its LYLO n ****.

Still trying to dissect Cello. Still pretty lost in that muck but I'm starting to get more "awful townie" out of it now more than scum.

Summoner calling for Swords to create a list of his suspicions, or as Kev put it, a guide to the mafia is still highly suspect IMO. That was just plain dumb.

 

[Cello_Marl]

@Frozen: What changed your mind about me? What in that muck made you decide to declare that you think I am town?

And @ Gheb: Wouldn't your logic, though WIFOMy, at the most basic Yomi level, actually make me LESS likely to select you as a gunbearer? Since we tend to never agree on things, it makes for me to NOT give you the gun, because of your large propensity to cap my ***. But obviously LOL WIFOM because I could easily just pick you SO I can make that argument. Wooo.

So why say anything at all?

@Gheb:

Kevin try a bit harder, please. Waiting to get shot into lylo without contributing anything isn't going to help us. I'm not shooting at random, especially not now. We've had some discussion already - I'd particularily like to know if you get Cello as scum as much as the others do.

Cello is not suspect to me. He generally has a habit of nudging me and I get town vibes from him. He just likes to push the smallest tells pretty hard (in that case vs Tom) and they are often wrong but that's how town Cello plays and that's good enough for me to not shoot him anytime soon.

Things like this are terrible. We know you are clear, so don't bother putting your views out. All you have to do is sit back and watch what happens. When the topic, or someone's lack of input, is not to your liking, you should intercede then. There's no reason to ask for anyone's opinion and then tell them what to say.

1.) Yes, I'd like you to do that. I'm particularily interested in your opinion on:

- Cello
- Swords' scumlist
- Frozen's post

This is much better.

Keyword "trying": Do you think he succesfully got us out of that gane's part? How much do you think Tom contributed to get us there? Out of the people who posted so far who did in your opinion the best job (not by quantity but by quality) getting us there?

These aren't. They serve no point. Seriously, does the answer to these questions have any affect on your opinion on people? Even if it's just for Summoner, then there are better options for questioning. I actually just thought of that while typing, but the beginning of this quote makes me hate you. You've come into this game with a lowered opinion of my opinion, rather than being willing to judge information on it's face. Frankly, as of this moment, the safest place for scum to be is in my sights.

Don't make me have to intentionally shift my suspicions and look for/make silly stupid arguments on people I think are innocent just so I can properly manipulate you. I'll do it. I've done it.

Katalingo, you cunning linguist.

So Gheb... self-proclaimed discussion moderator - you're definitely quite vocal. The question is if you observe discussion in the way you intend, are you prone to post your own vocal thoughts into the heat of it all? Would you tell there and then amidst heated discussion who's going up, who's going down your opinion scale? Or would you be more 'neutral', making the game active and shifting discussion along objectively?

What purpose does this serve except to satisfy your own curiosity? If you have an opinion, use the declarative form instead of interrogative.

Cello, but I'm leaning more towards awful town then anything else.

I'm not awful until I cause a misfire.

 

[Cello_Marl]

EBWOP: The second question directed at Frozen are poorly worded after looking at it again. Consider it, "What in that muck made you decide to declare that you are starting to think I am town?"

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Going to add to this, because I feel like it
Discussion is good, but I don't know how you could play mod. If anything, you should be more of an observer, and then ask questions as you see things. You are clear, and anything you feel/thing already gets points, but if you let that get in the way, then everyone will be influenced more than we should let it. Let discussion happen.

Yeah, that was basically my idea on how we should play it.

What do you think of Kevin's idea of shooting somebody "who hasn't posted yet"? Obviously he was refering to you as you were the only one who didn't post at that time. Do you think it was scummy, premature or just a way of feigning activity? Do you find anything about his answers to my questions you didn't like?

@Cello

Swords has called you suspect; Summoner said he thinks you're rather town. Which do you find more genuine and why? Do you find one of the responses to be noteworthy?

 

[KevinM]

I really like how all three of your answers to my shoot someone who hasn't posted yet have a negative connotation.

*rolleyes.gif*

 

[Handorin]

Yeah, that was basically my idea on how we should play it.

What do you think of Kevin's idea of shooting somebody "who hasn't posted yet"? Obviously he was refering to you as you were the only one who didn't post at that time. Do you think it was scummy, premature or just a way of feigning activity? Do you find anything about his answers to my questions you didn't like?

I don't think it was a specific tell in general. I was the only one who hadn't posted at that point (BUT I posted I was going to be V/LA from Friday-Sunday), and I don't know if he was keeping up with others. I find myself missing posts from players and think they are inactive until I go back and read closer. So this isn't a flag for me, but take it as you may.

I pretty much agree with the series of questions he answered awhile ago.

I also don't really think a random shot is a terrible idea. Obviously, we have better options, but if it comes down to almost a stalemate, then it's easy to remedy. Often we end up doing NLs because we can't come to a consensus, but we don't need to now. Just. You. Unless you want to die, you need to shoot. So if you don't know who to shoot, why not random?

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

@Frozen: What changed your mind about me? What in that muck made you decide to declare that you think I am town?

So why say anything at all?

I haven't really changed my stance on you TBQH. Basically my opinion on what you've been doing so far is that it's mucky, strange and just downright confusing and difficult to get a read from. This essentially put you in a place in my mind where I'm deliberating dumb vs. scum. I was leaning more toward scum earlier, and now slightly more toward just dumb now. By no means though am I very confident in this assertion, nor did I mean to assert that I had a strong feeling that you were town. I only meant to convey a slight shift in my understanding of what is motivating your obscure posting style this game.

As for why I decided to delve into the WIFOM scenario that Gheb sort of started discussion on, I only meant to bring closure to that circle of WIFOM logic. He basically suggested that if I were scum X, I would be less likely to do Y for reason Z. I simply came back and said as tempting as it might be to subscribe to that, I could just as easily be scum X and perform not Y, in order to make you think I'm scum X because you would expect me to be afraid of reason Z, or something like that.

It doesn't merit much discussion beyond that (being WIFOM and all) but I just felt like it would be best to bring closure to that line of thought.

Also, you can definitely play awful without causing a misfire. Being difficult, tricky, noncontributive, or simply belligerent among other things are all ways of being awful that DONT necessitate causing a misfire. The town could simply choose to ignore you if you were doing these things and go on to win a perfect game, but it would be to no merit of yours, and you certainly would have been considered an awful town player. Hindsight is 20/20 after all; in mafia its how well you actively contribute to the successful elimination of scum that counts, not whether or not you were on the wagon.

@ Kevin, do you still seriously want to shoot someone who hasn't even posted yet? Any response at all to what I said in my previous post?

@ Gheb, I also agree with Kevin that this game should be just as natural and organic as any other game. Basically treat it like Jungle Republic with no werewolves left and and cleared seer, with you as the seer. I don't see any reason why you should artificially displace yourself from the general conversation. You are cleared and you DO have the ultimate final say, but still, there's no reason why we can't disagree with you about people being scummy or not, or various other things. Cleared does not mean guaranteed to be right, cleared means guaranteed to not be trying to dupe our *****.

I mean, obviously if you feel a particular line of discussion, action, or whatever is highly important, then it's probably in our best interest to flesh out what you want discussed to help you make the best decision. However, until such a situation arises, there's no reason to put Gheb up on this leadership pedestal and just have him dictate things.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Random shot is so dumb btw guys.

Why would we random shoot when shooting someone either eliminates scum or clears someone?

If we seriously can't decide who to shoot based on scum hunting, we should shoot the person who is the most questionable, or simply someone who we'd like to see cleared the most.

 

[KevinM]

Then lets shoot you, I'd love to see you clear :D

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Kevin, who is scum?

 

[SuperKatalingo]

I think Swords needs to be looked at a little more.

@Cello, what? Just like summoner, i haven't played a game with you when you are scum. (newbie 3 doesn't count! ). Why would you lie when you are town and tell the truth when you are scum? Doesn't make much sense.

Also, why shoot tom if you are town and shot? You're all going off of this WIFOM thing. You realize that someone could have just chosen gheb randomly in order to frame tom? Don't go with WIFOMey arguments, no good comes of them.

Why wouldn't newbie 3 count?

When i posted, i was referencing this. I meant to say, "according to your logic, mafia could have fooled you into thinking tom is scum." Really, this looks like a ridiculous notion that has just been thrown out there when the game has just started.

I don't see how it's a ridiculous notion. I thought thinking about who could potentially have chosen the gunbearer to be the gunbearer was a good starting point. Although, apparently we only managed to clear off one person off the list, which would be Summoner. I could see where Summoner wouldn't have chosen Gheb as the gunbearer.

Thinking Cello right now because he wants to shoot Tom when we don't have much info on him right now. Now if he is scummy later, maybe then we can shoot him. But definitely not right now. Aside from Cello, i'd have to say maybe Katalingo, as he wants gheb to shoot cello not long after the game has started.

This is weird, because Swords is saying that KatalingoBear wants to kill Cello, and is suspicious of KatalingoBear for such thing, but also that cello is suspicious. How does that make sense?

I think Kevin might also be a good shot. but he seems to be "baiting" the shot too much. Like if he's town he'll think he'll make the right choice. But he's sorta being too sloppy for my taste.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Why wouldn't newbie 3 count?

Look at the game. I didn't really have time to get to know his playstyle as i replaced late in D3. Aside from that, i haven't played any other game with him.

 

[Cello_Marl]

@Kevin: Am I scum?

@Frozen:

Basically my opinion on what you've been doing so far is that it's mucky, strange and just downright confusing and difficult to get a read from.

You seem to be the only one to have this problem. Whatever. Keep your options open if you must.

Also, why are filling your posts with so much fluff?

Also,

in mafia its how well you actively contribute to the successful elimination of scum that counts, not whether or not you were on the wagon

No, I'm pretty sure we're here to eliminate scum, not get personal glory.

@ Kevin, do you still seriously want to shoot someone who hasn't even posted yet?

Everyone had posted by the time you said this.

@Swords: I still don't like how you specified Tom, but there's nothing more that can be said about that. Can you comment on something else that's not directed at you?

 

[KevinM]

@Cello, I honestly don't know yet.

Vote Tom

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

@Frozen:
You seem to be the only one to have this problem. Whatever. Keep your options open if you must.

Also, why are filling your posts with so much fluff?

Also,
No, I'm pretty sure we're here to eliminate scum, not get personal glory.

Everyone had posted by the time you said this.

1.) Don't worry, I'm not going to tunnel on you or anything. But yeah, I'm not going to pretend like I'm having an easy time reading you because I'm not.

2.) What do you mean by fluff? I have a hard time seeing how my posts are loaded with fluff, especially my last one considering that entire post was designed to answer your questions in a thorough manner. How is anything I said in there "fluff", or useless filler material, which is what I'm assuming you mean, but feel free to correct me.

3.) You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what it means to play an integral role in the elimination of scum. I in no way was saying that it should be the goal of a player to be the biggest bestest contributor of all time. What I was saying is, just being on all the right wagons doesn't mean you did anything to help pin down those scum. The people who actively scum hunt, generate the relevant discussion that gets scum to slip and eventually pin them down are the people who are TRULY eliminating the scum. A last minute wagon hopper is NOT a better player than the person who is driving the scum out, simply because they have a better voting record. That's a very shallow standard of performance to have, and beyond that it's simply inaccurate.

4.) My mistake, didn't even realize.

 

[Cello_Marl]

How is anything I said in there "fluff", or useless filler material, which is what I'm assuming you mean, but feel free to correct me.

OK.

As for why I decided to delve into the WIFOM scenario that Gheb sort of started discussion on, I only meant to bring closure to that circle of WIFOM logic. He basically suggested that if I were scum X, I would be less likely to do Y for reason Z. I simply came back and said as tempting as it might be to subscribe to that, I could just as easily be scum X and perform not Y, in order to make you think I'm scum X because you would expect me to be afraid of reason Z, or something like that.

Entirely unnecessary, as it's just a rehash of your point in a previous post. That doesn't make it more thorough, just longer.

Also, you can definitely play awful without causing a misfire. Being difficult, tricky, noncontributive, or simply belligerent among other things are all ways of being awful that DONT necessitate causing a misfire. The town could simply choose to ignore you if you were doing these things and go on to win a perfect game, but it would be to no merit of yours, and you certainly would have been considered an awful town player. Hindsight is 20/20 after all; in mafia its how well you actively contribute to the successful elimination of scum that counts, not whether or not you were on the wagon.

This belongs in a mafia tactics/playstyle thread, not a game. Even considering it's in response to something that I said, the more relevant points are in how I am supposed being "difficult, tricky, noncontributive, or simply belligerent". You never do any of these things, you just go off on a tangent. Nice contribution there, buddy.


Also, you never actually talked about why you began to shift your opinion on me.

Still pretty lost in that muck but I'm starting to get more "awful townie" out of it now more than scum.

"More 'awful townie'...than scum". That certainly sounds like a declaration of Cello towniness.


Also,

Honestly wouldn't be opposed to shooting Cello at this point just because he's confusing the hell out of me.

@Kev, why would we shoot someone who has not posted yet? You realize that if they're town we're handing the gun to someone who literally has done nothing all game right?

This is really dumb. You talked about shooting me like it would somehow make me go away, despite not really being convinced of my scumminess, just my being "confusing". Yet, a scant two hours later, you are clearly aware that shooting an inactive would be a piss poor idea, because they would become the gunbearer. What benefit could we possibly gain from making a person who is supposed confusing (which I have yet to hear from you how exactly I am) the gunbearer escapes me.


Tom's last post was just over 3 days ago. That's a problem.

@Gheb: I guess I should answer your question about Swords and Summoner. I guess Summoner thinks he's right, but I don't know about Swords. I'd like to see him shot.

 

[SummonerAU]

Of course I think I'm right. Why else would I post? You didn't exactly say anything about me at all Cello. You just poked at Swords. That's a little suspicious in my eyes.

Cello, as gunbearer, would you run things similar to Gheb or closer to what Kevin suggests?

 

[SummonerAU]

Oh, why is SuperKatalingo Australian and why wouldn't I have picked Gheb? >_>

I feel like I'm being made fun of.

 

[Cello_Marl]

Cello, as gunbearer, would you run things similar to Gheb or closer to what Kevin suggests?

I wouldn't be running things at all. I'd shoot Tom, then Frozen, then Swords. One way or another, the game would be over for me; either we'd have won, or I'd have died along the way. Actually, I would ask the town as a whole who they'd rather I shoot first, Tom or Frozen. Beyond that, blammo.

Also, just because I don't think you'd choose Gheb doesn't mean I don't think you'd be open to being swayed to choose him once the benefits were told to you.

 

[SummonerAU]

What would the benefits of picking Gheb be anyway? Nobody has really said anything about it. Does everyone think Gheb would be wrong or something?

 

[Cello_Marl]

What would the benefits of picking Gheb be anyway? Nobody has really said anything about it. Does everyone think Gheb would be wrong or something?

He'll probably misfire.

I can't really see this line of questioning having no bearing on the game. I'm sure you're curious, but you should talk about something else now.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

@Swords: I still don't like how you specified Tom, but there's nothing more that can be said about that. Can you comment on something else that's not directed at you?

Yes, why did kevin just vote someone in a popcorn game?

 

[Handorin]

Tom has been V/LA. He isn't even modding his own game. Be patient.

Yes, why did kevin just vote someone in a popcorn game?

Because it places more emphasis on something, despite having no effect.